Ruto has won kikuyu hearts and minds ..robina

[RV Pundit]

Uhuru 1.0 set to be national leader. Uhuru 2.0 is attempting to be a tribal leader.It so sad seeing someone lose home support and go to the extend of exclusively visiting central & speaking kikuyu - and getting zero love back.

And that is just central - let him attempt to stay in power beyond 2022 - and he will get it from rest of kenya. He will definitely not become Executive PM. Raila will get the support he will need to topple him day 0. Moi couldn't do it..what make Uhuru think he can pull it. Why would Raila take ceremonial PORK and not have the whole thing...

The SGR - avoids Mt kenya region - not an inch in Kiambu or Nakuru (Naivasha is actually deep in Narok) - so basically biggest infrastructure project didn't directly benefit his people but his fat account. I think he is now panicked enough he might just build dual carriageway from Kenol to Nyeri and MauMau road.In any case we kalenjin have few complains - the road and electricity expansion were welcomed.

Uhuru has sinned all over. Take the case of Milk which farmers across Mt. Kenya and beyond know very well. Kenyatta family acquired almost all milk plants in the region and plus others in RV. Githunguri farmers actually threatened to rather pour their milk into drainage than to Kenyattas. Then Kenyattas forced down the price of milk to like 20bob a litter or less which they are still paying farmers. . While they then sell a liter of milk for 100bob or more. This is minus other extracted milk products. Kenyattas then import their own powder from their Uganda plant and that devastate Kenyans. For long farmers been crying and beseeching the government/mutongoria to do something. But eventually Uhuru says he cannot understand why people are broke!
Now when he wants some political favour is when he's visiting the region. He arrives with lots of anger issues and people start to wonder what he's up to... By the time he decree milk prices to be at such and such a price, everyone is damn angry. What the heck!, were it not for public outcry they had Milk Bill ready to be passed by Parliament that would have FORCED every farmer to take milk to their milk plants. It set to criminalise selling/buying of milk among neighbours!

For SGR not only pocketing some percentage but by using taxpayers money and getting the country into further debt he gets his own SGR that ends exactly at Kenyatta Farm, Kendong Ranch. Some of that ranch they sold to government for industrial park and pocketed like 2.5B. Then he abuse everyone by proclaiming whoever think that SGR is railway to nowhere is a fool. And it's true: We are fools because to be honest that SGR does increase the value of their property. And it's Kenyans who will pay for those Chinese loans, not Kenyattas.

There are litany of issues that the common mwananchi can see and relate to. Then after all that he has no time to listen to those on the ground. He listens to Raila and how the two can make a comeback. Total lunacy.

Wakili, When Uhuru got 30B from sgr, there was no turning back, wanjigi was the first to be betrayed.We have to kick them out by force.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Winning Kikuyus hearts is not enough to win an election. IEBC is out of his reach. As Bonny Khalwale once said when defecting to Ruto's camp, "Ruto will be declared the winner in 2022 even if he looses the election". Now Khalwale took it for granted Ruto had IEBC in his pocket. Is it the case now?

Facts.  Unless you blow out the opponent, IEBC gets to decide.

[mankind]

Uhuru is actually doing worse than "risking 1m Kikuyu" which to be honest he doesn't care that much about. Indeed right now he and his team would be very happy if RV tribal clashes erupt. They would blame Ruto and use that to portray him as violent. And believe you me, a helicopter would land at Sugoi to take Ruto to Hague. By that they would have gotten rid of him with claims he had to face ICC.
In short am even telling you these people can even set false flags from Njoro, Timboroa, Ravine, all the way to Burnt Forest. It will not be first time violence is used to advance some agenda..

That aside, the worst  Uhuru is doing is long term damage of Parliamentary System and even Federal System (Majimbo). Kikuyus wherever they are would be rendered minorities. Then they have no enough MPs to negotiate anything of substance. This is the worst ever he can do.
Then he brings Raila with him. A man Kikuyu elite plus Uhuru have been demonizing for decades. A man whom they judged impossible to work with during Kibaki's time. A man who is blamed for taking Ruto/Uhuru to the Hague. A man who at the height of PEV 2007/08 was known as Arap Mibei. A man who was not even apologetic about it. A man who tried to excuse Kiambaa burning on BBC. Somehow Uhuru now decide Raila is the Man.

Even more infuriating to people is that All these Uhuru is doing for HIMSELF. HIM. ALONE. TO BE EXECUTIVE PM. It's his own self interests. There is no national interests to amend constitution and install regions or PM. None whatsoever. His own base (people) get shafted for generations to come for him to be PM..
This guy Uhuru better get more security as @KenyanPlato said. People are fed up with him.

Indeed ata sometimes i personally think am in some kind of alternative universe. Because i cannot figure out rationale for Uhuru behaviour.

Opinion pollsters seem to support our truck driver. The thing is Robina. Uhuru is asking Kikuys an untenable proposition to choose btw LOVING HIM and loving 1M of their relatives who inevitably will come in harm ways if the UhuRuto deal comes apart. Kikuyus I believe would have dropped Ruto if there were no such real consequences. It would have been the usual - done and dusted. Ruto is not making things easy because he is being sly - not giving Uhuru a reason - to says " I had to do it".

In short Uhuru is going to face a rebellion - like NIS have told him severally - and he better listen. You cannot build a bridge by destroying another. To his credit, Uhuru seem busy in Central - looking for love there.

If he wants to continue - he can only continue under ONE CONDITION - he doesn't destroy the 10yrs bridges that GEMA and RV have built.

That basically mean he has to work with Ruto to find accommodation post-2022 (although our strong recommendation is he retires)...something he clearly isn't prepared having been led astray by Kibicho and Jezebel.

If BABA MOI retired - who is Uhuru not to retire??????????????????????????

You are a charlatan who knows and meets everyone at the drop of a hat How do you meet "people from the ground" in between truck trips in Delaware? A few days ago you were all over about the end of Ruto. Don't torture the fence like Pastor vooke. At least Garliv and Pundit can pretend to have ears on the ground even when it is clearly hot air.

  I wont purport to speak for all kikuyus  unlike some who do especially when they are not kikuyu and have been so anti kikuyu until handshake happened. But this much I do know, most of us who have roots outside central province will not join this charade when we have worked so hard to cultivate a working relationship with our neighbours in rift valley. In both 92 and 97 clashes kikuyus were victims all the way from far flung areas of West pokot as Siyoi, kacheliba and Makutano to Enoosupukia in maasailand. The climax was 2007 tribal clashes. Personally I had to evacuate my family only after the military provided safe passage and escort. I got a call from my cousin sometime after who had been active in politics for some time and the first thing he told me was that we had to start thinking seriously about blindly following our folk in Itherero" when it came to elections. He informed me that there was a local movement among elders to start serious negotiations with kalenjin elders about a united and shared political future. That was pretty much the beggining of a future Jubilee government. Now let me explain a simple reason why most of us will stick with Ruto as opposed to what pundits are saying here. Most of us have lots of properties in Rift valley acquired over decades. Despite moving my family to Naivasha I still run several businesses in the north rift and theres no way am giving that up to benefit somebody else. My family has been in cargo business on the northern corridor for a long time and unlike Robina and others who purport to know what we want I go to Kenya every 3-4  months and have several trucks running all the way to south sudan. I get to interact with the common mwananchi all the time starting from the local traders to the drivers and turn boys and believe me selling Raila to them for Uhuru will be an uphill task. Most of us figured out long ago that we have to fend for ourselves and that means negotiating the best deals with our neighbours. That is the basis of that good relationship being experienced in west pokot( Remember the governor there repremanding a guy who was protesting him appointing a kikuyu in his govt) In uasin Gishu among the most powerful MCAs is the guy fro Huruma who has a very good working relationship with mandago. In Nakuru its basically a 50/50 kikuyu kalenjin government. Now tell me why a kikuyu in this areas would throw that out the window so that Uhuru can continue raking in billions in family deals. As they say in politics there are no permanent anything apart from interests. Now tell me why we should vote against our interests with a clear mind.

[Kadudu]

The said "peaceful working relationship" is another term for blackmail. Kales have the Kikuyus by the balls. PEV in RV is just a question of time as land becomes scarce with the growing population. Kikuyus cannot appease the Kales with their votes forever and what happens when 80% of Kikuyus vote for Ruto and he still looses? Is the pact still valid?

I wont purport to speak for all kikuyus  unlike some who do especially when they are not kikuyu and have been so anti kikuyu until handshake happened. But this much I do know, most of us who have roots outside central province will not join this charade when we have worked so hard to cultivate a working relationship with our neighbours in rift valley. In both 92 and 97 clashes kikuyus were victims all the way from far flung areas of West pokot as Siyoi, kacheliba and Makutano to Enoosupukia in maasailand. The climax was 2007 tribal clashes. Personally I had to evacuate my family only after the military provided safe passage and escort. I got a call from my cousin sometime after who had been active in politics for some time and the first thing he told me was that we had to start thinking seriously about blindly following our folk in Itherero" when it came to elections. He informed me that there was a local movement among elders to start serious negotiations with kalenjin elders about a united and shared political future. That was pretty much the beggining of a future Jubilee government. Now let me explain a simple reason why most of us will stick with Ruto as opposed to what pundits are saying here. Most of us have lots of properties in Rift valley acquired over decades. Despite moving my family to Naivasha I still run several businesses in the north rift and theres no way am giving that up to benefit somebody else. My family has been in cargo business on the northern corridor for a long time and unlike Robina and others who purport to know what we want I go to Kenya every 3-4  months and have several trucks running all the way to south sudan. I get to interact with the common mwananchi all the time starting from the local traders to the drivers and turn boys and believe me selling Raila to them for Uhuru will be an uphill task. Most of us figured out long ago that we have to fend for ourselves and that means negotiating the best deals with our neighbours. That is the basis of that good relationship being experienced in west pokot( Remember the governor there repremanding a guy who was protesting him appointing a kikuyu in his govt) In uasin Gishu among the most powerful MCAs is the guy fro Huruma who has a very good working relationship with mandago. In Nakuru its basically a 50/50 kikuyu kalenjin government. Now tell me why a kikuyu in this areas would throw that out the window so that Uhuru can continue raking in billions in family deals. As they say in politics there are no permanent anything apart from interests. Now tell me why we should vote against our interests with a clear mind.

[RV Pundit]

To quote Ruto - Land is not the issue - the issue is politics. Kalenjin have put down a huge downpayment by supporting Uhuru thrice. I expect Uhuru to be first one to support Ruto if he is truly interested in having a united country. Anything else will be see as betrayal.If you recall - the agreement was for Uhuru to support Ruto - and try to convince his people. But the reverse is happening - the people are trying to force Uhuru back.

The said "peaceful working relationship" is another term for blackmail. Kales have the Kikuyus by the balls. PEV in RV is just a question of time as land becomes scarce with the growing population. Kikuyus cannot appease the Kales with their votes forever and what happens when 80% of Kikuyus vote for Ruto and he still looses? Is the pact still valid?

[RV Pundit]

You need to do to Kenyatta what we did to Moi. Basically identity what is community and personal interest - and separate the two. And it start by people supporting alternative organized leadership.

  I wont purport to speak for all kikuyus  unlike some who do especially when they are not kikuyu and have been so anti kikuyu until handshake happened. But this much I do know, most of us who have roots outside central province will not join this charade when we have worked so hard to cultivate a working relationship with our neighbours in rift valley. In both 92 and 97 clashes kikuyus were victims all the way from far flung areas of West pokot as Siyoi, kacheliba and Makutano to Enoosupukia in maasailand. The climax was 2007 tribal clashes. Personally I had to evacuate my family only after the military provided safe passage and escort. I got a call from my cousin sometime after who had been active in politics for some time and the first thing he told me was that we had to start thinking seriously about blindly following our folk in Itherero" when it came to elections. He informed me that there was a local movement among elders to start serious negotiations with kalenjin elders about a united and shared political future. That was pretty much the beggining of a future Jubilee government. Now let me explain a simple reason why most of us will stick with Ruto as opposed to what pundits are saying here. Most of us have lots of properties in Rift valley acquired over decades. Despite moving my family to Naivasha I still run several businesses in the north rift and theres no way am giving that up to benefit somebody else. My family has been in cargo business on the northern corridor for a long time and unlike Robina and others who purport to know what we want I go to Kenya every 3-4  months and have several trucks running all the way to south sudan. I get to interact with the common mwananchi all the time starting from the local traders to the drivers and turn boys and believe me selling Raila to them for Uhuru will be an uphill task. Most of us figured out long ago that we have to fend for ourselves and that means negotiating the best deals with our neighbours. That is the basis of that good relationship being experienced in west pokot( Remember the governor there repremanding a guy who was protesting him appointing a kikuyu in his govt) In uasin Gishu among the most powerful MCAs is the guy fro Huruma who has a very good working relationship with mandago. In Nakuru its basically a 50/50 kikuyu kalenjin government. Now tell me why a kikuyu in this areas would throw that out the window so that Uhuru can continue raking in billions in family deals. As they say in politics there are no permanent anything apart from interests. Now tell me why we should vote against our interests with a clear mind.

[GeeMail]

Uhuru is actually doing worse than "risking 1m Kikuyu" which to be honest he doesn't care that much about. Indeed right now he and his team would be very happy if RV tribal clashes erupt. They would blame Ruto and use that to portray him as violent. And believe you me, a helicopter would land at Sugoi to take Ruto to Hague. By that they would have gotten rid of him with claims he had to face ICC.
In short am even telling you these people can even set false flags from Njoro, Timboroa, Ravine, all the way to Burnt Forest. It will not be first time violence is used to advance some agenda..

That aside, the worst  Uhuru is doing is long term damage of Parliamentary System and even Federal System (Majimbo). Kikuyus wherever they are would be rendered minorities. Then they have no enough MPs to negotiate anything of substance. This is the worst ever he can do.
Then he brings Raila with him. A man Kikuyu elite plus Uhuru have been demonizing for decades. A man whom they judged impossible to work with during Kibaki's time. A man who is blamed for taking Ruto/Uhuru to the Hague. A man who at the height of PEV 2007/08 was known as Arap Mibei. A man who was not even apologetic about it. A man who tried to excuse Kiambaa burning on BBC. Somehow Uhuru now decide Raila is the Man.

Even more infuriating to people is that All these Uhuru is doing for HIMSELF. HIM. ALONE. TO BE EXECUTIVE PM. It's his own self interests. There is no national interests to amend constitution and install regions or PM. None whatsoever. His own base (people) get shafted for generations to come for him to be PM..
This guy Uhuru better get more security as @KenyanPlato said. People are fed up with him.

Indeed ata sometimes i personally think am in some kind of alternative universe. Because i cannot figure out rationale for Uhuru behaviour.

Opinion pollsters seem to support our truck driver. The thing is Robina. Uhuru is asking Kikuys an untenable proposition to choose btw LOVING HIM and loving 1M of their relatives who inevitably will come in harm ways if the UhuRuto deal comes apart. Kikuyus I believe would have dropped Ruto if there were no such real consequences. It would have been the usual - done and dusted. Ruto is not making things easy because he is being sly - not giving Uhuru a reason - to says " I had to do it".

In short Uhuru is going to face a rebellion - like NIS have told him severally - and he better listen. You cannot build a bridge by destroying another. To his credit, Uhuru seem busy in Central - looking for love there.

If he wants to continue - he can only continue under ONE CONDITION - he doesn't destroy the 10yrs bridges that GEMA and RV have built.

That basically mean he has to work with Ruto to find accommodation post-2022 (although our strong recommendation is he retires)...something he clearly isn't prepared having been led astray by Kibicho and Jezebel.

If BABA MOI retired - who is Uhuru not to retire??????????????????????????

You are a charlatan who knows and meets everyone at the drop of a hat How do you meet "people from the ground" in between truck trips in Delaware? A few days ago you were all over about the end of Ruto. Don't torture the fence like Pastor vooke. At least Garliv and Pundit can pretend to have ears on the ground even when it is clearly hot air.

So Uhuru is supposed to build bridges with a man whose career is hinged on holding 1m Kikuyu at ransom? How can anybody guarantee that he will not change his mind? Uhuru has changed his mind about Ruto. How can anybody guarantee Ruto as president will not change his mind about the 1m at ransom?

[GeeMail]

Uhuru is actually doing worse than "risking 1m Kikuyu" which to be honest he doesn't care that much about. Indeed right now he and his team would be very happy if RV tribal clashes erupt. They would blame Ruto and use that to portray him as violent. And believe you me, a helicopter would land at Sugoi to take Ruto to Hague. By that they would have gotten rid of him with claims he had to face ICC.
In short am even telling you these people can even set false flags from Njoro, Timboroa, Ravine, all the way to Burnt Forest. It will not be first time violence is used to advance some agenda..

That aside, the worst  Uhuru is doing is long term damage of Parliamentary System and even Federal System (Majimbo). Kikuyus wherever they are would be rendered minorities. Then they have no enough MPs to negotiate anything of substance. This is the worst ever he can do.
Then he brings Raila with him. A man Kikuyu elite plus Uhuru have been demonizing for decades. A man whom they judged impossible to work with during Kibaki's time. A man who is blamed for taking Ruto/Uhuru to the Hague. A man who at the height of PEV 2007/08 was known as Arap Mibei. A man who was not even apologetic about it. A man who tried to excuse Kiambaa burning on BBC. Somehow Uhuru now decide Raila is the Man.

Even more infuriating to people is that All these Uhuru is doing for HIMSELF. HIM. ALONE. TO BE EXECUTIVE PM. It's his own self interests. There is no national interests to amend constitution and install regions or PM. None whatsoever. His own base (people) get shafted for generations to come for him to be PM..
This guy Uhuru better get more security as @KenyanPlato said. People are fed up with him.

Indeed ata sometimes i personally think am in some kind of alternative universe. Because i cannot figure out rationale for Uhuru behaviour.

Opinion pollsters seem to support our truck driver. The thing is Robina. Uhuru is asking Kikuys an untenable proposition to choose btw LOVING HIM and loving 1M of their relatives who inevitably will come in harm ways if the UhuRuto deal comes apart. Kikuyus I believe would have dropped Ruto if there were no such real consequences. It would have been the usual - done and dusted. Ruto is not making things easy because he is being sly - not giving Uhuru a reason - to says " I had to do it".

In short Uhuru is going to face a rebellion - like NIS have told him severally - and he better listen. You cannot build a bridge by destroying another. To his credit, Uhuru seem busy in Central - looking for love there.

If he wants to continue - he can only continue under ONE CONDITION - he doesn't destroy the 10yrs bridges that GEMA and RV have built.

That basically mean he has to work with Ruto to find accommodation post-2022 (although our strong recommendation is he retires)...something he clearly isn't prepared having been led astray by Kibicho and Jezebel.

If BABA MOI retired - who is Uhuru not to retire??????????????????????????

You are a charlatan who knows and meets everyone at the drop of a hat How do you meet "people from the ground" in between truck trips in Delaware? A few days ago you were all over about the end of Ruto. Don't torture the fence like Pastor vooke. At least Garliv and Pundit can pretend to have ears on the ground even when it is clearly hot air.

  I wont purport to speak for all kikuyus  unlike some who do especially when they are not kikuyu and have been so anti kikuyu until handshake happened. But this much I do know, most of us who have roots outside central province will not join this charade when we have worked so hard to cultivate a working relationship with our neighbours in rift valley. In both 92 and 97 clashes kikuyus were victims all the way from far flung areas of West pokot as Siyoi, kacheliba and Makutano to Enoosupukia in maasailand. The climax was 2007 tribal clashes. Personally I had to evacuate my family only after the military provided safe passage and escort. I got a call from my cousin sometime after who had been active in politics for some time and the first thing he told me was that we had to start thinking seriously about blindly following our folk in Itherero" when it came to elections. He informed me that there was a local movement among elders to start serious negotiations with kalenjin elders about a united and shared political future. That was pretty much the beggining of a future Jubilee government. Now let me explain a simple reason why most of us will stick with Ruto as opposed to what pundits are saying here. Most of us have lots of properties in Rift valley acquired over decades. Despite moving my family to Naivasha I still run several businesses in the north rift and theres no way am giving that up to benefit somebody else. My family has been in cargo business on the northern corridor for a long time and unlike Robina and others who purport to know what we want I go to Kenya every 3-4  months and have several trucks running all the way to south sudan. I get to interact with the common mwananchi all the time starting from the local traders to the drivers and turn boys and believe me selling Raila to them for Uhuru will be an uphill task. Most of us figured out long ago that we have to fend for ourselves and that means negotiating the best deals with our neighbours. That is the basis of that good relationship being experienced in west pokot( Remember the governor there repremanding a guy who was protesting him appointing a kikuyu in his govt) In uasin Gishu among the most powerful MCAs is the guy fro Huruma who has a very good working relationship with mandago. In Nakuru its basically a 50/50 kikuyu kalenjin government. Now tell me why a kikuyu in this areas would throw that out the window so that Uhuru can continue raking in billions in family deals. As they say in politics there are no permanent anything apart from interests. Now tell me why we should vote against our interests with a clear mind.

This is precisely why BBI is needed. BBI is like Jubilee in 2013, just that this is more inclusive and not based on an election directly. Everybody knew people were guilty as sin in 2013 but for the sake of peace people accepted and moved on. This time BBI is with the "wrong" tribe/person and you want to change the game for the sake of your trucking business in North Rift? How about those who have lost many lives all those years, are they less important than your trucking business?

[mankind]

The said "peaceful working relationship" is another term for blackmail. Kales have the Kikuyus by the balls. PEV in RV is just a question of time as land becomes scarce with the growing population. Kikuyus cannot appease the Kales with their votes forever and what happens when 80% of Kikuyus vote for Ruto and he still looses? Is the pact still valid?

  Any community that has a population that sits outside its ancestral lands in Kenya has to accept the fact that they have to make some sort of deal with the natives for inclusion. Pev exposed Kenya to the reality that ours is a country made up of tribal nations cobbled together to form a country. Kikuyus were expelled from kisumu to mumias. In Rift valley interesting enough in pokot there was no pev because kanu was supporting Kibaki. Now consider these two stories. I grew up with kalenjin kids all through to my early 20s, went to high school where my best buddy was a very smart luo kid then came to the States and kept the same friendships. We used to argue out politics so much especially after the 2005 referendum and would even bet who would win where. Our friendship was never influenced by politics. I co-signed my luo friend for his first car in Michigan and helped bail out another when his truck almost got repossessed. I attended my Kale friends graduations in the Midwest any time one of us was graduating and vice versa. Now come elections in 2007 and instead of us collecting on our bets my one luo friend calls me laughing how we were being destroyed in Rift valley. I later in 2009 went for Obama's inauguration with two friends from central and we were hosted by my kalenjin friends from eldoret living around DC area. Even to them they couldn't understand how we were still close after what had happened until we spend days in DC. That same story was replicated throughout in the valley. Remember when Lina kilimo and I believe Ruto was there too asked Kibaki for forgiveness publicly for 2007. Now show me one clip of Raila doing the same especially after that BBC interview.

I wont purport to speak for all kikuyus  unlike some who do especially when they are not kikuyu and have been so anti kikuyu until handshake happened. But this much I do know, most of us who have roots outside central province will not join this charade when we have worked so hard to cultivate a working relationship with our neighbours in rift valley. In both 92 and 97 clashes kikuyus were victims all the way from far flung areas of West pokot as Siyoi, kacheliba and Makutano to Enoosupukia in maasailand. The climax was 2007 tribal clashes. Personally I had to evacuate my family only after the military provided safe passage and escort. I got a call from my cousin sometime after who had been active in politics for some time and the first thing he told me was that we had to start thinking seriously about blindly following our folk in Itherero" when it came to elections. He informed me that there was a local movement among elders to start serious negotiations with kalenjin elders about a united and shared political future. That was pretty much the beggining of a future Jubilee government. Now let me explain a simple reason why most of us will stick with Ruto as opposed to what pundits are saying here. Most of us have lots of properties in Rift valley acquired over decades. Despite moving my family to Naivasha I still run several businesses in the north rift and theres no way am giving that up to benefit somebody else. My family has been in cargo business on the northern corridor for a long time and unlike Robina and others who purport to know what we want I go to Kenya every 3-4  months and have several trucks running all the way to south sudan. I get to interact with the common mwananchi all the time starting from the local traders to the drivers and turn boys and believe me selling Raila to them for Uhuru will be an uphill task. Most of us figured out long ago that we have to fend for ourselves and that means negotiating the best deals with our neighbours. That is the basis of that good relationship being experienced in west pokot( Remember the governor there repremanding a guy who was protesting him appointing a kikuyu in his govt) In uasin Gishu among the most powerful MCAs is the guy fro Huruma who has a very good working relationship with mandago. In Nakuru its basically a 50/50 kikuyu kalenjin government. Now tell me why a kikuyu in this areas would throw that out the window so that Uhuru can continue raking in billions in family deals. As they say in politics there are no permanent anything apart from interests. Now tell me why we should vote against our interests with a clear mind.

[GeeMail]

What's the use of asking for forgiveness when threatening to unleash violence if he is not supported in 2022? What kind of forgiveness was that? You say you are on the ground. I also know a number of Kikuyus who have never regained their lost properties in RV since 92, 2007. have you met any of them on the ground?

[Garliv]

No one is threatening violence. But it could be a consequence. Also as you agree tribal clashes did not start with Ruto. Indeed the whole issue is a bit more complex than you think.
I personally have been involved in pro bono cases trying to have victims of this violence compensated. Even right now am involved in some case whereby there is a court order to freeze 7B because MOST OF GOVERNMENT DECLARED COMPENSATION have gone to fictitious IDPs. And this is facilitate even by "own" Kikuyus. Including senior leaders and prove exists. You'd expect a Government led by Kibaki and then Uhuru would have finalized this IDP issue and resettled people. But they really don't care that much.

Then you need to put 2007/08 clashes into context. No one is an angle here. If it's comparing Ruto and Raila for example you'd realize they both bear responsibility for 07/08. Indeed that when everyone ganged up against Kikuyu whether one was in Western or Coast or Rift Valley. The ethnic undertones were obviously infamous "41 vs 1"... Pure incitements. So who should take most blame? Who's angel here?

I was also in those Nakuru meetings and others when "reconciliation" were discussed and dealt with. Remember reconciliation was/is between communities and Ruto/Uhuru were merely leading that process at that time and now.
Unfortunately political disputes and tensions have the tendency to bring the worst relations between communities. Especially between Kikuyu/Luos, Kikuyu/Kales. These are the hazards and challenges of a multi ethnic society. I too don't have magic bullet to resolve all these.

BBI on the other hand is actually premised on ACCEPTANCE OF ELECTION RESULTS. They are claims of biased or compromised electoral body or straight out rigging. And to deal with this a lot of reforms have been adopted by somehow some people are never satisfied. It's as if everyone (every political competitor) need to be accommodated into the government. Maybe we should form something like Chinese System or Soviet Politburo instead of competitive elections..

What's the use of asking for forgiveness when threatening to unleash violence if he is not supported in 2022? What kind of forgiveness was that? You say you are on the ground. I also know a number of Kikuyus who have never regained their lost properties in RV since 92, 2007. have you met any of them on the ground?

[mankind]

What's the use of asking for forgiveness when threatening to unleash violence if he is not supported in 2022? What kind of forgiveness was that? You say you are on the ground. I also know a number of Kikuyus who have never regained their lost properties in RV since 92, 2007. have you met any of them on the ground?

 Have i  met any.. how about some are friends and relatives. A family friend of ours lost almost everything of all places mumias and had to flea to Uganda to escape being killed by his own neighbors. My own father inlaw was in Eldoret as a senior police officer and even his position could not save him from having his properties being burnt down.My grandfather on my dads side and his sister lived in burnt forest and Rukuine(sp). So yes I know so many of the people  who suffered directly. In 92 I had just joined high school and came home to find most of our home converted to a refugee camp including our grain stores . I saw you brought about my trucking business am sure to make yourself look superior or so I think. Most of us are very educated but dont come here to floss. We engage in business because that is the easiest way to make money quick anywhere including here in the US. So if you brought that up to make yourself look superior then you are wrong. As regards blackmail, you can call it that. I chose to call it a working relationship just like the kuria are working with the luhyia or luo or for that matter  anyone who happens to be a minority wherever in Kenya they happen to live outside their ancestral lands.

[Garliv]

At least you have real life experience and understanding. Now what this Uhuru doesn't seem to realize is that Ruto can as easily make a deal with Raila. Politics is politics. He tells Raila "i supported you from 2005 to 07. Now that am being betrayed let's make a deal." Raila being Raila would make the deal and then resurrect his 41 vs 1 thing. Easily. This time Mt. Kenya would be worse off. Badly worse off. Because this time there won't be any reason to abandon Jubilee deal. Absolutely none.

Have i  met any.. how about some are friends and relatives. A family friend of ours lost almost everything of all places mumias and had to flea to Uganda to escape being killed by his own neighbors. My own father inlaw was in Eldoret as a senior police officer and even his position could not save him from having his properties being burnt down.My grandfather on my dads side and his sister lived in burnt forest and Rukuine(sp). So yes I know so many of the people  who suffered directly. In 92 I had just joined high school and came home to find most of our home converted to a refugee camp including our grain stores . I saw you brought about my trucking business am sure to make yourself look superior or so I think. Most of us are very educated but dont come here to floss. We engage in business because that is the easiest way to make money quick anywhere including here in the US. So if you brought that up to make yourself look superior then you are wrong. As regards blackmail, you can call it that. I chose to call it a working relationship just like the kuria are working with the luhyia or luo or for that matter  anyone who happens to be a minority wherever in Kenya they happen to live outside their ancestral lands.

[Nefertiti]

What was Ruto's role in PEV? You seem to blame Raila for it all. Luo did not behead nor evict anyone. Uhuru defended Kikuyus and your propaganda cannot take away his accolades.

Parliamentary is about equity. Two tribe rule needs to end. Also, last time Njonjo let in a Kalenjin Gema were the most marginalized for 24 years. Gema suffered under Kalenjin presidential leadership so you got your facts upside down. Gema only did well when they were in power - which is what Uhuru is doing - staying in power.

Uhuru is actually doing worse than "risking 1m Kikuyu" which to be honest he doesn't care that much about. Indeed right now he and his team would be very happy if RV tribal clashes erupt. They would blame Ruto and use that to portray him as violent. And believe you me, a helicopter would land at Sugoi to take Ruto to Hague. By that they would have gotten rid of him with claims he had to face ICC.
In short am even telling you these people can even set false flags from Njoro, Timboroa, Ravine, all the way to Burnt Forest. It will not be first time violence is used to advance some agenda..

That aside, the worst  Uhuru is doing is long term damage of Parliamentary System and even Federal System (Majimbo). Kikuyus wherever they are would be rendered minorities. Then they have no enough MPs to negotiate anything of substance. This is the worst ever he can do.
Then he brings Raila with him. A man Kikuyu elite plus Uhuru have been demonizing for decades. A man whom they judged impossible to work with during Kibaki's time. A man who is blamed for taking Ruto/Uhuru to the Hague. A man who at the height of PEV 2007/08 was known as Arap Mibei. A man who was not even apologetic about it. A man who tried to excuse Kiambaa burning on BBC. Somehow Uhuru now decide Raila is the Man.

Even more infuriating to people is that All these Uhuru is doing for HIMSELF. HIM. ALONE. TO BE EXECUTIVE PM. It's his own self interests. There is no national interests to amend constitution and install regions or PM. None whatsoever. His own base (people) get shafted for generations to come for him to be PM..
This guy Uhuru better get more security as @KenyanPlato said. People are fed up with him.

Indeed ata sometimes i personally think am in some kind of alternative universe. Because i cannot figure out rationale for Uhuru behaviour.

[Nefertiti]

You are losing it. Kalenjin have no right to live in the forest. Even Gema were evicted from the Aberdares by Kibaki. That destroyed water catchment needs to be reclaimed and forest dwellers need to go back to where they came from. They did not drop from the sky into the forest. Shameless.

Ruto is not God and there are many fierce warlords behind bars - Ntaganda, Charles Taylor, Milosevic, etc.

The political leaders are to blame.Don't ever mistake silence for weakness.You just evicted 60,000 people from Narok. Poor people. From their land. Because of Politics. The future warriors will emerge from them. You even refuses for them to build IDP camps.

Don't incite war then come crying ICC ICCC - Ruto is warlord a WarLORD! a WarLORD! KONY! AMIN ! The butcher! Dead man Walking Alive!

https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/narok/All-set-for-round-two-of-Mau-evictions/1183318-5257202-xg96tiz/index.html

[KenyanPlato]

The political leaders are to blame.Don't ever mistake silence for weakness.You just evicted 60,000 people from Narok. Poor people. From their land. Because of Politics. The future warriors will emerge from them. You even refuses for them to build IDP camps.

Don't incite war then come crying ICC ICCC - Ruto is warlord a WarLORD! a WarLORD! KONY! AMIN ! The butcher! Dead man Walking Alive!

https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/narok/All-set-for-round-two-of-Mau-evictions/1183318-5257202-xg96tiz/index.html

Pundit

Your people will never again beat kikuyus. Next time you try that shit we will teach you a lesson

It is not politics but loose morals of your people. They simple minded jealous people. How do you attack your neighbors on basis that they may have voted for someone else. You morons sold land and now you think you will reclaim by killing others. Next time we will drive you out of Kenya

[Garliv]

Ruto role or alleged roles in PEV was even documented by ICC for whoever wants details. Or alleged details. Therefore am not absolving him any blame. But in his capacity as titular head of Kalenjin Nation he did apologise and vowed people will not fight again. He did this in context of those Nakuru meetings. There is nothing to show or proof or doubt his words. He seemed genuine and he has proved genuine.
On the other hand, Raila played a huge role in 2007/08 PEV than Ruto ever did. Raila provided political legitimacy (if you can call it that) for it. He defended PEV as legitimate protest for his alleged stolen election victory. He congratulated those young men causing mayhem as legitimate protestors. Most of all he made it a national sport to hate or hunt Kikuyus when he deliberately accepted 41 vs 1 as a campaign strategy. It's even unimaginable what such a person can do when in power. All those are in public domain. And finally he has never apologized or regretted anything about 2007/08 PEVand he was ultimate leader who was seeking Presidency.
When you compare Ruto and Raila, the Hustler has much more redeeming qualities than Raila could ever be.

As for Moi, yes he played his part. And he was also brutal to others. His record of good, bad and ugly is all there for people to judge. But remember he operated in some kind of transitional period. From some kind of dictatorship to multipartyism. And in retrospect am not sure anybody else in his shoes would have done it any better. But some things like instigated tribal clashes were avoidable. Finally it has been like 20yrs since Moi left power. It behoves upon leaders and us to see and judge who can do away with the worst of Moi. Raila cannot. And we cannot blame all Kalenjins for Moi's sin. Just that when Raila is finally retired or buried Luo Nation will get a more reasonable leader to deal with.

What was Ruto's role in PEV? You seem to blame Raila for it all. Luo did not behead nor evict anyone. Uhuru defended Kikuyus and your propaganda cannot take away his accolades.

Parliamentary is about equity. Two tribe rule needs to end. Also, last time Njonjo let in a Kalenjin Gema were the most marginalized for 24 years. Gema suffered under Kalenjin presidential leadership so you got your facts upside down. Gema only did well when they were in power - which is what Uhuru is doing - staying in power.

[Nefertiti]

My point is Kalenjin are genocidal not Luo. Raila alleged rigging in 2013 and 17 without any genocide. We cannot suspend democracy to please Ruto - people will choose bila vitisho. Nothing stops him from outfoxing Uhuru to do a deal with Raila. If Uhuru betrays him he can hang Ngina. Anything else will revive his postponed ICC file.

Ruto role or alleged roles in PEV was even documented by ICC for whoever wants details. Or alleged details. Therefore am not absolving him any blame. But in his capacity as titular head of Kalenjin Nation he did apologise and vowed people will not fight again. He did this in context of those Nakuru meetings. There is nothing to show or proof or doubt his words. He seemed genuine and he has proved genuine.
On the other hand, Raila played a huge role in 2007/08 PEV than Ruto ever did. Raila provided political legitimacy (if you can call it that) for it. He defended PEV as legitimate protest for his alleged stolen election victory. He congratulated those young men causing mayhem as legitimate protestors. Most of all he made it a national sport to hate or hunt Kikuyus when he deliberately accepted 41 vs 1 as a campaign strategy. It's even unimaginable what such a person can do when in power. All those are in public domain. And finally he has never apologized or regretted anything about 2007/08 PEVand he was ultimate leader who was seeking Presidency.
When you compare Ruto and Raila, the Hustler has much more redeeming qualities than Raila could ever be.

As for Moi, yes he played his part. And he was also brutal to others. His record of good, bad and ugly is all there for people to judge. But remember he operated in some kind of transitional period. From some kind of dictatorship to multipartyism. And in retrospect am not sure anybody else in his shoes would have done it any better. But some things like instigated tribal clashes were avoidable. Finally it has been like 20yrs since Moi left power. It behoves upon leaders and us to see and judge who can do away with the worst of Moi. Raila cannot. And we cannot blame all Kalenjins for Moi's sin. Just that when Raila is finally retired or buried Luo Nation will get a more reasonable leader to deal with.

[Garliv]

1. I don't believe Kales would even want to start tribal clashes. This time they would be isolated. Kabisa. And then it isn't in their interests at this time. Ruto may be so many things but he has proved he's a very good strategist. He cannot give Uhuru/Raila excuse to finish him. As Pundit says "he's a political eel.." From my own intelligence Uhuru/Raila may use their "deep state" to organise some kind of clashes just to get Ruto. They are that desperate to have their BBI with little or no opposition. That the country will have no other alternative but them!

2. Yes. Ruto can get tired with Uhuru "betrayal" and can say "wacha nionyeshe hawa wanafikiri mimi mjinga..." To Mt. Kenya that is the Nightmare Scenario. It would be complete lunacy and height of unforgiveable political incompetence should Mt. Kenya push Ruto to such a scenario. That is why Mt. Kenya ready to dispose Uhuru. I will let you onto a secret: most people/politicians are buying for time. If this BBI isn't done this year then it will not be possible. From next year people including Governors and MPs will openly be telling Uhuru off. We will be nearing next election and the nearer it gets the more Uhuru Kenyatta becomes irrelevant: lameduck. He cannot use Nyahunyo on or kill everyone... Ndio atajua kweli anaenda home. Raila better have an ironclad scheme that can succeed by then. So Ruto should try and be as humble as Vice President Moi was then in 2 yrs he shall be rewarded with Presidency.

3. When you talk of Vitisho then your hypocrisy is obvious. You support Uhuru Nyahunyo which is nothing more than instilling fear so as people agree to his cause. Vitisho ni vitisho whether From Ruto or Uhuru.
Let me ask out of curiosity.. SHOULD Ruto join Raila would you still advocate for Parliamentary system?

My point is Kalenjin are genocidal not Luo. Raila alleged rigging in 2013 and 17 without any genocide. We cannot suspend democracy to please Ruto - people will choose bila vitisho. Nothing stops him from outfoxing Uhuru to do a deal with Raila. If Uhuru betrays him he can hang Ngina. Anything else will revive his postponed ICC file.

[Nefertiti]

Vitisho I mean of PEV 2 - not Waititu impeachment. There is a line between innocent folks and politicians battling for power. Kuria for instance may jibe Uhuru and police may revive his old assault case. You can even run propaganda about chiefs vetting people in Kirinyaga. That's fair. But PEV or even evicting peasants out of the forest is wrong. I view Mau as principally an environmental issue that didn't start with Jubilee. Kenya needs the Mau restored. That's why I support it. I rejected NRM secession unlike most ODMers.

Parliamentary... myself, ODM and Raila have supported it since Bomas. Sadly Kiraitu doctored Bomas into a NARA hybrid. So it is not new or merely opportune. I would rather have Exec PM Uhuru or Ruto than Exec PORK Raila. We have been backing Uhuru for PM- Raila for ceremonial president combo, haven't we?

Parliamentary does not disadvantage Kalenjin or even Gema. Fairness is not discrimination. It is greedy and unreasonable to praise another Kikuyu-Kalenjin 20yr pact. If Mt Kenya Tangatanga are genuine they can back Ruto for PM. Si lazima awe Rais.

3. When you talk of Vitisho then your hypocrisy is obvious. You support Uhuru Nyahunyo which is nothing more than instilling fear so as people agree to his cause. Vitisho ni vitisho whether From Ruto or Uhuru.
Let me ask out of curiosity.. SHOULD Ruto join Raila would you still advocate for Parliamentary system?