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Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« on: February 06, 2018, 09:46:20 PM »
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2018, 10:02:46 PM »
He's got it right for Low Earth Orbit operations.  Colonization on the other hand, he is too optimistic.  There is simply no reason anyone would want to live on another planet.  Antarctica can barely attract humans.  Even cataclysmic climate change, nuclear war name it, leaves earth by far the only candidate for human settlement in the vicinity. 
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2018, 10:34:21 PM »
Pastor is this a question?? Falcon Heavy is a big precursor towards the BFR - which will make it to Mars by 2022. This is doable Windy's doubts notwithstanding.
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2018, 10:47:16 PM »
Quote from: Robina on February 06, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
Pastor is this a question?? Falcon Heavy is a big precursor towards the BRF - which will make it to Mars by 2022. This is doable Windy's doubts notwithstanding.

I don't doubt that people can reach Mars.  I doubt that they will colonize it.  There is no reason for that.
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2018, 10:54:31 PM »
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on February 06, 2018, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: Robina on February 06, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
Pastor is this a question?? Falcon Heavy is a big precursor towards the BRF - which will make it to Mars by 2022. This is doable Windy's doubts notwithstanding.

I don't doubt that people can reach Mars.  I doubt that they will colonize it.  There is no reason for that.

The plan is to do just that - complete with project plans - timelines, resources, manpower, name it. This will include the ITS - interplanetary transport system. Once Mars is done,  folks will be on to the rest.

This is a movement. #OCCUPYMARS

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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2018, 11:01:39 PM »
The excitement for me is feasibility. Big things don't always come by necessity. It's insufferably disappointing that "space" is just stuff for satellite imagery on NatGeo.
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2018, 11:06:14 PM »
Termie your thought ps mirror mine.

I can see fascination with trips, but a colony?

Not in a million years
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2018, 12:07:52 AM »
 Just felt like I came from watching Shawshank Redemption right there
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2018, 04:39:19 AM »
Quote from: Robina on February 06, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
The excitement for me is feasibility. Big things don't always come by necessity. It's insufferably disappointing that "space" is just stuff for satellite imagery on NatGeo.

If it wasn't communications and things like GPS, I bet even Lower Earth Orbit operations would have gone the way of moon landings.  After the moon race ended, the Americans had simply dropped it.  There was nothing to be gained apart from bragging rights by sending people there.

I see a greater future for robotic craft, and mining small bodies like asteroids which are not massive gravity wells.
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2018, 05:03:57 AM »
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 05:41:50 AM »
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on February 07, 2018, 05:03:57 AM
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Thanks.
Amazing PR stunt for Tesla.
The only thing that tickled me was the suspense and anxiety of the launch. Fireball or Roadster in space? Then the synchronized landing of the rockets. The images were out of this world.

What happened to the core rocket that was supposed to land in the ocean? It went South?
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2018, 05:16:06 PM »
Quote from: vooke on February 07, 2018, 05:41:50 AM
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on February 07, 2018, 05:03:57 AM
Starman views. 


Thanks.
Amazing PR stunt for Tesla.
The only thing that tickled me was the suspense and anxiety of the launch. Fireball or Roadster in space? Then the synchronized landing of the rockets. The images were out of this world.

What happened to the core rocket that was supposed to land in the ocean? It went South?

I don't know about the core.   I am assuming it also landed - the same technical challenge as the other two. 

This whole thing of boosters and fuel taking up humongous weight, is one reason I have not much faith in colonization.  It's a bit like carrying the entire weight of your home in fuel just to make a short trip for one person to the store.

If that changes, maybe some fusion, anti-matter or similarly efficient engines are a reality, then the colonization might become realistic.  It cannot happen on Elon Musk caveman technology  :D.
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2018, 05:36:10 PM »
Windy - fusion and anti-matter are good ideas. Past orbit, outer space is free flow - no need for massive anti-gravity combustion except what is necessary to wheeze through the vacuum at light speed.

Fusion - of liquid water? Nuclear kind of fusion is unsafe at present. People have to operate nuclear plants in iron suits.
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2018, 05:02:15 PM »
Quote from: Robina on February 07, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
Windy - fusion and anti-matter are good ideas. Past orbit, outer space is free flow - no need for massive anti-gravity combustion except what is necessary to wheeze through the vacuum at light speed.

Fusion - of liquid water? Nuclear kind of fusion is unsafe at present. People have to operate nuclear plants in iron suits.

It's free flow.  But you are reduced to more or less one velocity and relying on other bodies to change it.  Imagine if a plane needed to hit a large bird every time it needs to change direction.  All sort of ramifications for travel and the modern economy. 

If one can figure out how to get fuel from already abundant resources in the universe, it's not long before you'd have families taking trips on space RVs.

Space elevators might come before those other fancy engines though.
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2018, 05:47:39 PM »
Quote from: vooke on February 06, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
http://www.spacex.com/webcast


Pastor you're being too harsh on Elon.  The chap cracked the battery powered car after many failed to do it.  His massive battery in Australia worked as planned a few weeks ago.

In my view he's already an over achiever here on earth....

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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2018, 01:15:09 AM »
vooke - This is why I told you Musk is a marketing guru.. folks at the earnings calls were giving him thumbs up over the flying stunk despite poor financial results.

Tesla faces a critical year, but Elon Musk is obsessed with the future
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16990730/tesla-earnings-2017-elon-musk

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But Tesla is a study in highs and lows. In contrast, for the first call of 2018, he was effusive, and returned to making bold predictionscongratulatory atmosphere
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2018, 07:46:25 AM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2018, 07:49:05 AM »
Quote from: bryan275 on February 09, 2018, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: vooke on February 06, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
http://www.spacex.com/webcast


Pastor you're being too harsh on Elon.  The chap cracked the battery powered car after many failed to do it.  His massive battery in Australia worked as planned a few weeks ago.

In my view he's already an over achiever here on earth....

No sir,
Tesla has nothing on the next EC or autonomous vehicles whether they be from Alphabet,BMW or GM.

Elon Musk mark, if at all, will be in Space
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Re: Robina, Are we Watching Falcon Heavy?
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2018, 07:50:06 AM »
Quote from: Robina on February 10, 2018, 01:15:09 AM
vooke - This is why I told you Musk is a marketing guru.. folks at the earnings calls were giving him thumbs up over the flying stunk despite poor financial results.

Tesla faces a critical year, but Elon Musk is obsessed with the future
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16990730/tesla-earnings-2017-elon-musk

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But Tesla is a study in highs and lows. In contrast, for the first call of 2018, he was effusive, and returned to making bold predictionscongratulatory atmosphere
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
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