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IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« on: September 23, 2017, 11:45:52 AM »
They are by law supposed to share results from polling stations no doubt, but there is the small matter of form

Is it raw scans or should they go ahead and extract the results from the scans and tally?

Tallying would help us know who is winning and who's losing. But to do this attracts the risk of data entry errors which begs the question, what between the raw scans and extracted figures is final?

The other one is to just share the scans and leave the public to do their own tallying . They should wait for forms 34Bs and only tally and release results extracted from these forms as final. This is slightly opaque given we are addicted to results streaming but it is very safe.
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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 12:48:41 PM »
I am not sure I fully understand your question. Both the form and the data are supposed to be keyed in to the kits and then when the SEND button is pressed both are simultaneously sent.

It was alleged (falsely) that 11K polling stations had no 3-4 G cover essential for transmission. However satphones had been purchased at great cost to be used. They were not deployed (deliberately) so that the results took days (just like 2007 and 2013) to reach the BOMAS centre. Some never arrived!

Ruto arranged to stuff the IEBC with his own people. They simply set aside the real results and made their own. They destroyed the original forms and even made photocopies. Most of this will come out in the charges that NASA has laid out against individuals.

There is no need to share scans if IEBC can simply follow the existing law. They should read the results and pin the same on a board at the polling station. The media could transmit the same directly to allow you to tally.

Instead we have Uhuru and his people (Matiangi, Mucheru, Boinnet) AGAINST this openness. They want the results secretly sent to BOMAS so that IEBC can declare a winner. I understand Duale and Murkomen are working on amending laws to provide for maximum opaqueness on the orders of Uhuru.

Speak of retrogression...


They are by law supposed to share results from polling stations no doubt, but there is the small matter of form

Is it raw scans or should they go ahead and extract the results from the scans and tally?

Tallying would help us know who is winning and who's losing. But to do this attracts the risk of data entry errors which begs the question, what between the raw scans and extracted figures is final?

The other one is to just share the scans and leave the public to do their own tallying . They should wait for forms 34Bs and only tally and release results extracted from these forms as final. This is slightly opaque given we are addicted to results streaming but it is very safe.
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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2017, 12:58:09 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2017, 01:49:43 PM »
I think all the data acquisition and transmitted equipment must save copies of result....from scanners, mobile tablets, satellite phones, etc, so that it becomes difficult to compromise the system.

The weakest link always remains as the IEBC employees who sabotage election.

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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2017, 01:52:09 PM »
Chebukati is supposed to undertake verification.

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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 02:22:37 PM »
The portal remains a closely guarded mystery one and a half months after the end of elections.  Nobody outside a small circle knows where the KIEMS kit metadata, if any, is.  Chebukati memos were coming threateningly close to shedding some light in this question.  Morpho makes very carefully worded statements that skirt around revealing anything about how their equipment was used.

I am learning that IEBC is going to carry out an audit on itself.  There is a court order to share information that has been defied.  How is anyone, not jubilated, expected to trust them?

I am thinking if there is still no clarity in this subject in the next few few weeks, there is no point of NASA taking part in the election.  Especially now that the perps have learned how critical this system was to the SCOK ruling.
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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2017, 02:40:20 PM »
In all their mournings, Uhuru and Ruto never mention the servers.

There is information that the kits functioned and the results were transmitted. Muhati logged in with Chebukati user name created for the purpose and changed from read only to full privileges. He then deleted 10K forms / the same number as the ones they needed to rig / affecting 5 million votes. Morpho however had the information preserved

II. It is also believed that a total of two forms were transmitted through the KIEMS
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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 03:58:06 PM »
Chebukati is not the Commission. He is the chairperson and presidential RO. PO, ROs and everyone in IEBC can do the verification.
Chebukati is supposed to undertake verification.

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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 03:59:52 PM »
Implausible improbable theory. How do you manipulate the copies that each agent signed and got. How do you manipulate the pin up results in the wall. How do you manipulate the ballot boxes in the paper. How do you manipulate the text in data.  There are just so many manual processes that makes electronic manipulation impossible. How do you manipulate public who were there when ballots were counted and sealed. How do you manipulate the media who watched it. How do you manipulate the agents?

If our election was truly electronic - like survey monkey thing - then you can electronic manipulate it without leaving a trace. Ours is impossible to electronically tamper with it - without reconcilling all the manual process and not raise alarm.

It's plain stupid theory.

In all their mournings, Uhuru and Ruto never mention the servers.

There is information that the kits functioned and the results were transmitted. Muhati logged in with Chebukati user name created for the purpose and changed from read only to full privileges. He then deleted 10K forms / the same number as the ones they needed to rig / affecting 5 million votes. Morpho however had the information preserved

II. It is also believed that a total of two forms were transmitted through the KIEMS

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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 05:50:45 PM »
Implausible improbable theory. How do you manipulate the copies that each agent signed and got. How do you manipulate the pin up results in the wall. How do you manipulate the ballot boxes in the paper. How do you manipulate the text in data.  There are just so many manual processes that makes electronic manipulation impossible. How do you manipulate public who were there when ballots were counted and sealed. How do you manipulate the media who watched it. How do you manipulate the agents?

If our election was truly electronic - like survey monkey thing - then you can electronic manipulate it without leaving a trace. Ours is impossible to electronically tamper with it - without reconcilling all the manual process and not raise alarm.

It's plain stupid theory.

In all their mournings, Uhuru and Ruto never mention the servers.

There is information that the kits functioned and the results were transmitted. Muhati logged in with Chebukati user name created for the purpose and changed from read only to full privileges. He then deleted 10K forms / the same number as the ones they needed to rig / affecting 5 million votes. Morpho however had the information preserved

II. It is also believed that a total of two forms were transmitted through the KIEMS

Those are good points.  Except you have to assume that everybody in a partisan environment automatically believes what an agent of the other party says.  I heard stories of agents denying the stuff that was being broadcast on the portal and national TV.  I can't find the info handy right now.  But they were there.  The easiest way IMO to debunk all these as nonsense was to simply dump all the relevant electronic information - the logs, the times, the GPS locations, the votes- to the public and let them dig through.  Much much easier than legally unsealing 40,883 ballot boxes and recounting.
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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 07:00:36 PM »
Implausible improbable theory. How do you manipulate the copies that each agent signed and got. How do you manipulate the pin up results in the wall. How do you manipulate the ballot boxes in the paper. How do you manipulate the text in data.  There are just so many manual processes that makes electronic manipulation impossible. How do you manipulate public who were there when ballots were counted and sealed. How do you manipulate the media who watched it. How do you manipulate the agents?

If our election was truly electronic - like survey monkey thing - then you can electronic manipulate it without leaving a trace. Ours is impossible to electronically tamper with it - without reconcilling all the manual process and not raise alarm.

It's plain stupid theory.

In all their mournings, Uhuru and Ruto never mention the servers.

There is information that the kits functioned and the results were transmitted. Muhati logged in with Chebukati user name created for the purpose and changed from read only to full privileges. He then deleted 10K forms / the same number as the ones they needed to rig / affecting 5 million votes. Morpho however had the information preserved

II. It is also believed that a total of two forms were transmitted through the KIEMS

Those are good points.  Except you have to assume that everybody in a partisan environment automatically believes what an agent of the other party says.  I heard stories of agents denying the stuff that was being broadcast on the portal and national TV.  I can't find the info handy right now.  But they were there.  The easiest way IMO to debunk all these as nonsense was to simply dump all the relevant electronic information - the logs, the times, the GPS locations, the votes- to the public and let them dig through.  Much much easier than legally unsealing 40,883 ballot boxes and recounting.


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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 08:47:56 PM »
Share th he raw scans let the people and media create a tallying column. Moving forward in the future they should create a shading column in those forms so the scanner can pick and display final numbers.
They are by law supposed to share results from polling stations no doubt, but there is the small matter of form

Is it raw scans or should they go ahead and extract the results from the scans and tally?

Tallying would help us know who is winning and who's losing. But to do this attracts the risk of data entry errors which begs the question, what between the raw scans and extracted figures is final?

The other one is to just share the scans and leave the public to do their own tallying . They should wait for forms 34Bs and only tally and release results extracted from these forms as final. This is slightly opaque given we are addicted to results streaming but it is very safe.

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Re: IEBC Portal, its Achilles Heel
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2017, 09:27:05 PM »
Chebukati is supposed to undertake verification.

Omorlo,
This particular section was sneaked in between High Court and Court of Appeal Kiai Case. Judges read mischief in this being the very thing IEBC was appealing against.

They went as far as saying the only verification at NTC was of the constitutional threshold. I quoted the relevant parts in the other thread on 34A and 34B
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