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What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« on: February 17, 2015, 11:34:32 AM »
Sabbath to be specific. Not surprisingly many of them no longer teach the same way, and many of them have said protestantism is dead.

http://www.sundaylaw.net/opening/said.htm

Excerpts

The Baptist ChurchThe Methodist Church

"It is true that there is no positive command for infant baptism. Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week. Many believe that Christ changed the Sabbath. But, from his own words, we see that He came for no such purpose. Those who believe that Jesus changed the Sabbath base it only on a supposition."  Amos Binney, "Theological Compendium," pp. 180-181.

"No Christian whatsoever is free from the obedience of the commandments which are called moral." "The Sabbath was made for MAN; not for the Hebrews, but for all men." Methodist Church Discipline (1904), p.23

The Moody Bible Institute

"The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?"....."I honestly believe that this commandment [the fourth, or Sabbath commandment] is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated (canceled), but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the Scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. `The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.' It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was - in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age." D.L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, pg. 47.

The Congregational Church
"It is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath.. The Sabbath was founded on a specific, divine command. We can plead no such command for the observance of Sunday.. There is not a single line in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday." Dr R.W. Dale, "The Ten Commandments," pg. 106-107.

" The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively substituted the first day for the seventh, is absolutely without any authority in the New Testament." Dr Lyman Abbot, in the "Christian Union," June 26, 1890.

The Lutheran Church

"The observance of the Lord's day [Sunday] is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church." Augsburg Confession of Faith, quoted in the Catholic Sabbath Manual, Part 2, Chap. 1, Sec.10.

"They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and the authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments." Martin Luther, Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, Par.9.

The Episcopal ChurchThe Presbyterian Church

"There is no word, no hint in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday. The observance of Ash Wednesday, or Lent, stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday. Into the rest of Sunday no Divine Law enters."  Canon Eyton, in "The Ten Commandments"

"We must not imagine that the coming of Christ has freed us from the authority of the law; for it is the eternal rule of a devout and holy life, and must therefore be as unchangeable as the justice of God, which it embraced, is constant and uniform."  John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Gospels, Vol. 1, pg. 277.

"The Sabbath is a part of the Decalogue - the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution... Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath." T.C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474,475

The Church Of England


"Not any ecclesiastical writer of the first three centuries attributed the origin of Sunday observance either to Christ or to His apostles." Sir WILLIAM DOMVILLE, Examination of the Six Texts," pages 6, 7. (Supplement). 

"There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday. . . into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters. . . The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday."  CANON EYTON, "The Ten Commandments," pages 52, 63, 65 

"Is there any command in the New Testament to change the day of weekly rest from Saturday to Sunday? None." Manual of Christian Doctrine," page 127 

Eusebius, fourth-century bishop and friend of the wicked Emperor Constantine, whose Sunday law is the first on record, flatly says: "All things, whatsoever that it was duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord's day [as they had begun to call Sunday]." --"Commentary on the Psalms."

"The notion of a formal substitution by apostolic authority of the Lord's day [meaning Sunday] for the Jewish Sabbath [or the first for the seventh day]... and the transference to it, perhaps in a spiritualized form, of the sabbatical obligation established by the promulgation of the fourth commandment, has no basis whatever, either in Holy Scripture or in Christian antiquity." SIR WILLIAM SMITH AND SAMUEL CHEETHAM, A Dictionary of Christian Antiquities," Vol. II, page I82, Article "Sabbath." 
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Re: What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2015, 04:07:25 PM »
Nuff Sed,
Do yourself a favor and do a Word Study on the phrase the Lord's Day. Eusebius can help you :)

Sabbath remains sabbath. There is no way God's rest on Saturday moves to Sunday. It remains as valid as Passover

Sabbath to be specific. Not surprisingly many of them no longer teach the same way, and many of them have said protestantism is dead.

http://www.sundaylaw.net/opening/said.htm

Excerpts

The Baptist ChurchThe Methodist Church

"It is true that there is no positive command for infant baptism. Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week. Many believe that Christ changed the Sabbath. But, from his own words, we see that He came for no such purpose. Those who believe that Jesus changed the Sabbath base it only on a supposition."  Amos Binney, "Theological Compendium," pp. 180-181.

"No Christian whatsoever is free from the obedience of the commandments which are called moral." "The Sabbath was made for MAN; not for the Hebrews, but for all men." Methodist Church Discipline (1904), p.23

The Moody Bible Institute

"The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. This fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember,' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?"....."I honestly believe that this commandment [the fourth, or Sabbath commandment] is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated (canceled), but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the Scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. `The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.' It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was - in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age." D.L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, pg. 47.

The Congregational Church
"It is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath.. The Sabbath was founded on a specific, divine command. We can plead no such command for the observance of Sunday.. There is not a single line in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday." Dr R.W. Dale, "The Ten Commandments," pg. 106-107.

" The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively substituted the first day for the seventh, is absolutely without any authority in the New Testament." Dr Lyman Abbot, in the "Christian Union," June 26, 1890.

The Lutheran Church

"The observance of the Lord's day [Sunday] is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church." Augsburg Confession of Faith, quoted in the Catholic Sabbath Manual, Part 2, Chap. 1, Sec.10.

"They [the Catholics] allege the Sabbath changed into Sunday, the Lord's Day, contrary to the Decalogue, as it appears, neither is there any example more boasted of than the changing of the Sabbath day. Great, say they, is the power and the authority of the church, since it dispensed with one of the Ten Commandments." Martin Luther, Augsburg Confession of Faith, Art. 28, Par.9.

The Episcopal ChurchThe Presbyterian Church

"There is no word, no hint in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday. The observance of Ash Wednesday, or Lent, stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday. Into the rest of Sunday no Divine Law enters."  Canon Eyton, in "The Ten Commandments"

"We must not imagine that the coming of Christ has freed us from the authority of the law; for it is the eternal rule of a devout and holy life, and must therefore be as unchangeable as the justice of God, which it embraced, is constant and uniform."  John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Gospels, Vol. 1, pg. 277.

"The Sabbath is a part of the Decalogue - the Ten Commandments. This alone forever settles the question as to the perpetuity of the institution... Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand... The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath." T.C. Blake, D.D., Theology Condensed, pp.474,475

The Church Of England


"Not any ecclesiastical writer of the first three centuries attributed the origin of Sunday observance either to Christ or to His apostles." Sir WILLIAM DOMVILLE, Examination of the Six Texts," pages 6, 7. (Supplement). 

"There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday. . . into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters. . . The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday."  CANON EYTON, "The Ten Commandments," pages 52, 63, 65 

"Is there any command in the New Testament to change the day of weekly rest from Saturday to Sunday? None." Manual of Christian Doctrine," page 127 

Eusebius, fourth-century bishop and friend of the wicked Emperor Constantine, whose Sunday law is the first on record, flatly says: "All things, whatsoever that it was duty to do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord's day [as they had begun to call Sunday]." --"Commentary on the Psalms."

"The notion of a formal substitution by apostolic authority of the Lord's day [meaning Sunday] for the Jewish Sabbath [or the first for the seventh day]... and the transference to it, perhaps in a spiritualized form, of the sabbatical obligation established by the promulgation of the fourth commandment, has no basis whatever, either in Holy Scripture or in Christian antiquity." SIR WILLIAM SMITH AND SAMUEL CHEETHAM, A Dictionary of Christian Antiquities," Vol. II, page I82, Article "Sabbath." 
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2015, 04:20:09 PM »
Secondly,
You are free to thaw your brains but none of that justifies your intellectual dishonesty. Other than lying to vooke, you are LYING to defend your god!

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Let's read this quotation IN FULL

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Sunday (dies-solis, of the Roman Calendar, day of the sun, because dedicated to the sun), was adopted by the early Christians as a day of worship. The sun of Latin adoration they interpreted as "the sun of righteousness.SUNDAY WAS EMPHATICALLY THE WEEKLY FEAST OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST, AS THE JEWISH SABBATH WAS THE FEAST OF THE CREATION. IT WAS CALLED THE "LORD'S DAY," AND UPON IT THE PRIMITIVE CHURCH ASSEMBLED TO BREAK BREAD (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2). No regulations for its observance are laid down in the New Testament, nor, indeed, is its observance even enjoined; YET
CHRISTIAN FEELING LED TO THE UNIVERSAL ADOPTION OF THE DAY, IN IMITATION OF APOSTOLIC PRECEDENCE. IN THE SECOND CENTURY ITS OBSERVANCE WAS UNIVERSAL.
(Sentences in capital letters were omitted by the writer of the Adventist pamphlet on page 22. This mutilation of authoritative sources first occurs in The Present Truth, Volume 1, Number 9, published in the 1880s

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Re: What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2015, 04:11:48 PM »
Voke you have confirmed your addiction to ad hominem. Thankfully it is not a terminal illness. In full or partial, the quote does not help the Sunday keeping protestant. Those statements were not made by me or any Adventist. If you have a problem with what the Episcopal Church and the Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge say, what will you do with the hundreds of other sects saying the same thing? You have accused me of many things but that does not erase what your sect has said about the Sabbath. It's a wonder what lengths people can go to defend what is plain.
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Re: What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2015, 04:18:15 PM »
Nuff Sed,
Do yourself a favor and do a Word Study on the phrase the Lord's Day. Eusebius can help you :)

Sabbath remains sabbath. There is no way God's rest on Saturday moves to Sunday. It remains as valid as Passover

You don't see the contradiction in a believer finding moral compass in Eusebius while rejecting the commandment of God? Is Eusebius your idol?
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Re: What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2015, 08:26:55 PM »
You are quoting misquotes to support Adventism and I have just shown how dishonest you are. I did this by highlighting the bits you unintelligently omitted hoping nobody would point out. Or you have NEVER read past this cheap SDA apology so you are learning them for the first time.

Thank me but more importantly, thank God for using me to exorcise ignorance from you

Voke you have confirmed your addiction to ad hominem. Thankfully it is not a terminal illness. In full or partial, the quote does not help the Sunday keeping protestant. Those statements were not made by me or any Adventist. If you have a problem with what the Episcopal Church and the Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge say, what will you do with the hundreds of other sects saying the same thing? You have accused me of many things but that does not erase what your sect has said about the Sabbath. It's a wonder what lengths people can go to defend what is plain.
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2015, 08:28:02 PM »
THE LORD'S DAY
Does it bother you that NOWHERE in this world has it ever been identified with Saturday, until 200 years ago?

Nuff Sed,
Do yourself a favor and do a Word Study on the phrase the Lord's Day. Eusebius can help you :)

Sabbath remains sabbath. There is no way God's rest on Saturday moves to Sunday. It remains as valid as Passover

You don't see the contradiction in a believer finding moral compass in Eusebius while rejecting the commandment of God? Is Eusebius your idol?
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: What major churches and sects have said about the Law of God
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2015, 02:43:16 PM »
Voke, the dishonesty is yours. I quoted VERBATIM from the original sources and even posted the link. If you click on the link you will find the very words I posted. Whichever the case, Sunday keepers would have made a point if the quote in full somehow supported Sunday keeping protestantism (let's say, by providing the elusive verse from scripture). Turns out that even when quoted in full the only thing you get is that some unnamed people called Sunday "the Lord's Day" and that "feeling" was used to make it a day of worship. Which apostles kept Sunday? I have posted and reposted verses rebutting the oft-quoted theory of "apostolic practice". Scripture shows there is no such thing. Are you now extolling feeling over scripture?

You are quoting misquotes to support Adventism and I have just shown how dishonest you are. I did this by highlighting the bits you unintelligently omitted hoping nobody would point out. Or you have NEVER read past this cheap SDA apology so you are learning them for the first time.

Thank me but more importantly, thank God for using me to exorcise ignorance from you

Voke you have confirmed your addiction to ad hominem. Thankfully it is not a terminal illness. In full or partial, the quote does not help the Sunday keeping protestant. Those statements were not made by me or any Adventist. If you have a problem with what the Episcopal Church and the Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge say, what will you do with the hundreds of other sects saying the same thing? You have accused me of many things but that does not erase what your sect has said about the Sabbath. It's a wonder what lengths people can go to defend what is plain.
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244