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Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2023, 12:24:22 PM »
These 2 areas Raila like in 2007 heavily rigged . So bad was the rigging in Kilifi that we thought he could catch up with Ruto .

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2023, 12:27:46 PM »
Uhuru assisted in the rigging. Most of coast, NEP and northern rift were rigged by Prov Administration and Uhuru NIS.
These 2 areas Raila like in 2007 heavily rigged . So bad was the rigging in Kilifi that we thought he could catch up with Ruto .

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2023, 01:33:58 PM »

Yes Uhuru assisted with the rigging . A Dumb move considering he has never rigged before .
Raila rigged heavily in 2007 and we can categorize him as an experienced rigger .
Luckily for Ruto he had Mt Kenya which enabled him escape the rigging  just like Kibaki in 2007 . With a united Mt Kenya backing you it will require more than rigging to win elections.Raila had Kivuitu in 2007 but couldnt win in 2022 he had 4 Commissioners but still couldnt win .


Uhuru assisted in the rigging. Most of coast, NEP and northern rift were rigged by Prov Administration and Uhuru NIS.
These 2 areas Raila like in 2007 heavily rigged . So bad was the rigging in Kilifi that we thought he could catch up with Ruto .

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2023, 01:40:47 PM »
So why did Uhuru not rig the rest of the country or he was just too lazy?

Uhuru assisted in the rigging. Most of coast, NEP and northern rift were rigged by Prov Administration and Uhuru NIS.

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2023, 01:53:29 PM »
Your man Kibaki lost in 2007 and had to sneak in at night for his "swearing in". Good that the then IEBC chairman had to admit that he too did not know who won the presidential election.

Anyway, Kibaki blundered in 2007 and that blemished his legacy forever. He will be remmebered as the man who took Kenya almost to the blink of civil war.


Yes Uhuru assisted with the rigging . A Dumb move considering he has never rigged before .
Raila rigged heavily in 2007 and we can categorize him as an experienced rigger .
Luckily for Ruto he had Mt Kenya which enabled him escape the rigging  just like Kibaki in 2007 . With a united Mt Kenya backing you it will require more than rigging to win elections.Raila had Kivuitu in 2007 but couldnt win in 2022 he had 4 Commissioners but still couldnt win .

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2023, 02:01:31 PM »
KK had strong agents. There are places in Northern Kenya where UDA had no agents - and Ruto scored zero votes.
So why did Uhuru not rig the rest of the country or he was just too lazy?

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2023, 04:00:54 PM »

Raila had stolen the 2007 elections and with assistance of Kivuitu and rogue Judiciary was about to announce himself President elect and swear himself in . Something he did in 2018 .
Kivuitu was overwhelmed by the then ECK commissioners who were majority and stood for the truth .Something Raila thought he could use to rig himself in 2022 . Unbeknown to Raila all his rigging strategies were countered by Ruto way before the elections.
Raila is the one who incited Kenyans to violence with rallying calls of No Raila No Peace after conducting a hate campaign of Kabila Adui .

A question to you do you think Ruto won fair and square ?

Your man Kibaki lost in 2007 and had to sneak in at night for his "swearing in". Good that the then IEBC chairman had to admit that he too did not know who won the presidential election.

Anyway, Kibaki blundered in 2007 and that blemished his legacy forever. He will be remmebered as the man who took Kenya almost to the blink of civil war.


Yes Uhuru assisted with the rigging . A Dumb move considering he has never rigged before .
Raila rigged heavily in 2007 and we can categorize him as an experienced rigger .
Luckily for Ruto he had Mt Kenya which enabled him escape the rigging  just like Kibaki in 2007 . With a united Mt Kenya backing you it will require more than rigging to win elections.Raila had Kivuitu in 2007 but couldnt win in 2022 he had 4 Commissioners but still couldnt win .

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2023, 04:05:50 PM »
He did try but didnt go as expected in Mt Kenya area because it was Rutos stronghold . Its hard to to rig your opponents stronghold because the supporters are vigilant. You can rig your strongholds  and battleground which Raila did in both 2007 and 2008 .
If Mt Kenya had become a battle ground as Uhuru and Raila wanted it to be Ruto would be opposition leader as we speak .

KK had strong agents. There are places in Northern Kenya where UDA had no agents - and Ruto scored zero votes.
So why did Uhuru not rig the rest of the country or he was just too lazy?

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2023, 04:31:04 PM »
Use of biometric and difficult process of using manual killed stronghold rigging. The only strongholds in the last election was Kalenjin and Luo land.

GEMA was not anyone stronghold - both camps had very serious support across the board.

What remain is remote areas rigging - where prov administration/nis/party - still collude to rig out the final tally.
Uhuru spend a lot of resource on chiefs and NIS to rig Ruto.
Obviously in Mt kenya - my brother is DC - they attempted - but Ruto crew were ahead - and chiefs were harrassed and outed.

What helped Ruto through all the rigging was his counter-intelligence - he knew their plans before.

Rigging attempt went on until the last minute - as you know bomas sending of KDF/Police to intimidate chebukati after bribery and kidnapping and name it.

He did try but didnt go as expected in Mt Kenya area because it was Rutos stronghold . Its hard to to rig your opponents stronghold because the supporters are vigilant. You can rig your strongholds  and battleground which Raila did in both 2007 and 2008 .
If Mt Kenya had become a battle ground as Uhuru and Raila wanted it to be Ruto would be opposition leader as we speak .

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2023, 04:34:38 PM »
Wewe ni Jizi kweli :)
Kibaki rigged;
And reforms have been enacted to make such rigging very very hard.

Kibaki rigging started when he put all commissioners from PNU bar poor Kiviutu.

The rigging was brazen. Change the figures right at const level and KICC. Now Maina Kiai rulling has finished that kind of rigging - although we saw Bomas attempts to "Moderate" election results.

What used to happen - was that moderation of results at KICC.

And it caused violence.


Raila had stolen the 2007 elections and with assistance of Kivuitu and rogue Judiciary was about to announce himself President elect and swear himself in . Something he did in 2018 .
Kivuitu was overwhelmed by the then ECK commissioners who were majority and stood for the truth .Something Raila thought he could use to rig himself in 2022 . Unbeknown to Raila all his rigging strategies were countered by Ruto way before the elections.
Raila is the one who incited Kenyans to violence with rallying calls of No Raila No Peace after conducting a hate campaign of Kabila Adui .

A question to you do you think Ruto won fair and square ?

Your man Kibaki lost in 2007 and had to sneak in at night for his "swearing in". Good that the then IEBC chairman had to admit that he too did not know who won the presidential election.

Anyway, Kibaki blundered in 2007 and that blemished his legacy forever. He will be remmebered as the man who took Kenya almost to the blink of civil war.


Yes Uhuru assisted with the rigging . A Dumb move considering he has never rigged before .
Raila rigged heavily in 2007 and we can categorize him as an experienced rigger .
Luckily for Ruto he had Mt Kenya which enabled him escape the rigging  just like Kibaki in 2007 . With a united Mt Kenya backing you it will require more than rigging to win elections.Raila had Kivuitu in 2007 but couldnt win in 2022 he had 4 Commissioners but still couldnt win .

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2023, 05:05:40 PM »
Raila Cleary won in 2007 and 2017. 2013 is iffy iffy. The things Raila is doing now he should have done them in 2007 or 2017. After handshake Good will evaporated.

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2023, 06:23:49 PM »
He was white-washed in 2017 worse than in 2013.

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2023, 09:51:26 PM »
How was Mt Kenya not a Rutos stronghold when it gave him more votes than his native North Rift.
So how many Kalenjin votes did Ruto get ?
Raila just like in 2007 rigged the elections and both times he lost .
In 2007 he got away with it  just like thieves get away with accusing others of being thiefs .
We have tabled evidence here or massive rigging which happened in Luo Nyanza and other parts of Rift valley and Western then.
Pundit you can wish away try to white wash the results of 2022 elections but GEMAs vote is what made Ruto President more less just like Kalenjin votes made Uhuru President in 2013 . Facts are stubborn .

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzania/news/how-ruto-won-state-house-race-3915954

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With 2,938, 309 votes from Mt Kenya counties, Dr Ruto topped up with 1.6 million votes from North Rift counties.
Baringo, Bomet, Elgeyo-Marakwet, Kericho, Nandi, West Pokot and Uasin Gishu collectively gave Dr Ruto 1, 602,807 votes.

Use of biometric and difficult process of using manual killed stronghold rigging. The only strongholds in the last election was Kalenjin and Luo land.

GEMA was not anyone stronghold - both camps had very serious support across the board.

What remain is remote areas rigging - where prov administration/nis/party - still collude to rig out the final tally.
Uhuru spend a lot of resource on chiefs and NIS to rig Ruto.
Obviously in Mt kenya - my brother is DC - they attempted - but Ruto crew were ahead - and chiefs were harrassed and outed.

What helped Ruto through all the rigging was his counter-intelligence - he knew their plans before.

Rigging attempt went on until the last minute - as you know bomas sending of KDF/Police to intimidate chebukati after bribery and kidnapping and name it.

He did try but didnt go as expected in Mt Kenya area because it was Rutos stronghold . Its hard to to rig your opponents stronghold because the supporters are vigilant. You can rig your strongholds  and battleground which Raila did in both 2007 and 2008 .
If Mt Kenya had become a battle ground as Uhuru and Raila wanted it to be Ruto would be opposition leader as we speak .

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2023, 09:55:42 PM »
We know just like pundit in 2007 and 2017 you supported Raila in the elections . You admire Raila chini us maji. In 2017 Raila was beaten and tried to use courts to steal the elections or get Nusu Mkate , In 2007 Raila tried to use Kiviuitu and media houses to rig elections similarly on 2022 he tried to use media and 4 IEBC Commissioners to rig elections

Raila Cleary won in 2007 and 2017. 2013 is iffy iffy. The things Raila is doing now he should have done them in 2007 or 2017. After handshake Good will evaporated.

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2023, 07:52:53 AM »
They lost 3 seat..poor odm.

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2023, 07:56:12 AM »
How was Mt Kenya not a Rutos stronghold when it gave him more votes than his native North Rift.
So how many Kalenjin votes did Ruto get ?
Raila just like in 2007 rigged the elections and both times he lost .
In 2007 he got away with it  just like thieves get away with accusing others of being thiefs .
We have tabled evidence here or massive rigging which happened in Luo Nyanza and other parts of Rift valley and Western then.
Pundit you can wish away try to white wash the results of 2022 elections but GEMAs vote is what made Ruto President more less just like Kalenjin votes made Uhuru President in 2013 . Facts are stubborn .

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzania/news/how-ruto-won-state-house-race-3915954

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With 2,938, 309 votes from Mt Kenya counties, Dr Ruto topped up with 1.6 million votes from North Rift counties.
Baringo, Bomet, Elgeyo-Marakwet, Kericho, Nandi, West Pokot and Uasin Gishu collectively gave Dr Ruto 1, 602,807 votes.

Use of biometric and difficult process of using manual killed stronghold rigging. The only strongholds in the last election was Kalenjin and Luo land.

GEMA was not anyone stronghold - both camps had very serious support across the board.

What remain is remote areas rigging - where prov administration/nis/party - still collude to rig out the final tally.
Uhuru spend a lot of resource on chiefs and NIS to rig Ruto.
Obviously in Mt kenya - my brother is DC - they attempted - but Ruto crew were ahead - and chiefs were harrassed and outed.

What helped Ruto through all the rigging was his counter-intelligence - he knew their plans before.

Rigging attempt went on until the last minute - as you know bomas sending of KDF/Police to intimidate chebukati after bribery and kidnapping and name it.

He did try but didnt go as expected in Mt Kenya area because it was Rutos stronghold . Its hard to to rig your opponents stronghold because the supporters are vigilant. You can rig your strongholds  and battleground which Raila did in both 2007 and 2008 .
If Mt Kenya had become a battle ground as Uhuru and Raila wanted it to be Ruto would be opposition leader as we speak .
you can get millions of vote in Nairobi but its not anyone stronghold. Stronghold that allow local collusion rigging is where 95 percent of votes are voting one way.Last election was only in luo n kalenjin. GEMA had strong Azimio supporters. Its was not possible to rig.Luo nyanza and kalenjin without biometrics rigging would have happened. Next rigging happens in remote areas.Finally bomas...moderation can be done if not for chebukati.

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2023, 09:43:07 AM »

Yes in Nairobi it used to opposition stronghold right now it is not as they always go 50/50 or 50/45.
Can you confirm the percentage Ruto got in GEMA and tell me it was not his stronghold .
In 2002, 2013 and 2017 elections Kalenjin Rift Valley was Uhurus stronghold as it was Railas stonghold in 2007 .

How was Mt Kenya not a Rutos stronghold when it gave him more votes than his native North Rift.
So how many Kalenjin votes did Ruto get ?
Raila just like in 2007 rigged the elections and both times he lost .
In 2007 he got away with it  just like thieves get away with accusing others of being thiefs .
We have tabled evidence here or massive rigging which happened in Luo Nyanza and other parts of Rift valley and Western then.
Pundit you can wish away try to white wash the results of 2022 elections but GEMAs vote is what made Ruto President more less just like Kalenjin votes made Uhuru President in 2013 . Facts are stubborn .

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzania/news/how-ruto-won-state-house-race-3915954

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With 2,938, 309 votes from Mt Kenya counties, Dr Ruto topped up with 1.6 million votes from North Rift counties.
Baringo, Bomet, Elgeyo-Marakwet, Kericho, Nandi, West Pokot and Uasin Gishu collectively gave Dr Ruto 1, 602,807 votes.

Use of biometric and difficult process of using manual killed stronghold rigging. The only strongholds in the last election was Kalenjin and Luo land.

GEMA was not anyone stronghold - both camps had very serious support across the board.

What remain is remote areas rigging - where prov administration/nis/party - still collude to rig out the final tally.
Uhuru spend a lot of resource on chiefs and NIS to rig Ruto.
Obviously in Mt kenya - my brother is DC - they attempted - but Ruto crew were ahead - and chiefs were harrassed and outed.

What helped Ruto through all the rigging was his counter-intelligence - he knew their plans before.

Rigging attempt went on until the last minute - as you know bomas sending of KDF/Police to intimidate chebukati after bribery and kidnapping and name it.

He did try but didnt go as expected in Mt Kenya area because it was Rutos stronghold . Its hard to to rig your opponents stronghold because the supporters are vigilant. You can rig your strongholds  and battleground which Raila did in both 2007 and 2008 .
If Mt Kenya had become a battle ground as Uhuru and Raila wanted it to be Ruto would be opposition leader as we speak .
you can get millions of vote in Nairobi but its not anyone stronghold. Stronghold that allow local collusion rigging is where 95 percent of votes are voting one way.Last election was only in luo n kalenjin. GEMA had strong Azimio supporters. Its was not possible to rig.Luo nyanza and kalenjin without biometrics rigging would have happened. Next rigging happens in remote areas.Finally bomas...moderation can be done if not for chebukati.

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Re: Two ODM Mps bite dust - time to test Raila's ODM strength
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2023, 10:30:57 AM »

Yes in Nairobi it used to opposition stronghold right now it is not as they always go 50/50 or 50/45.
Can you confirm the percentage Ruto got in GEMA and tell me it was not his stronghold .
In 2002, 2013 and 2017 elections Kalenjin Rift Valley was Uhurus stronghold as it was Railas stonghold in 2007 .

How was Mt Kenya not a Rutos stronghold when it gave him more votes than his native North Rift.
So how many Kalenjin votes did Ruto get ?
Raila just like in 2007 rigged the elections and both times he lost .
In 2007 he got away with it  just like thieves get away with accusing others of being thiefs .
We have tabled evidence here or massive rigging which happened in Luo Nyanza and other parts of Rift valley and Western then.
Pundit you can wish away try to white wash the results of 2022 elections but GEMAs vote is what made Ruto President more less just like Kalenjin votes made Uhuru President in 2013 . Facts are stubborn .

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/tanzania/news/how-ruto-won-state-house-race-3915954

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With 2,938, 309 votes from Mt Kenya counties, Dr Ruto topped up with 1.6 million votes from North Rift counties.
Baringo, Bomet, Elgeyo-Marakwet, Kericho, Nandi, West Pokot and Uasin Gishu collectively gave Dr Ruto 1, 602,807 votes.

Use of biometric and difficult process of using manual killed stronghold rigging. The only strongholds in the last election was Kalenjin and Luo land.

GEMA was not anyone stronghold - both camps had very serious support across the board.

What remain is remote areas rigging - where prov administration/nis/party - still collude to rig out the final tally.
Uhuru spend a lot of resource on chiefs and NIS to rig Ruto.
Obviously in Mt kenya - my brother is DC - they attempted - but Ruto crew were ahead - and chiefs were harrassed and outed.

What helped Ruto through all the rigging was his counter-intelligence - he knew their plans before.

Rigging attempt went on until the last minute - as you know bomas sending of KDF/Police to intimidate chebukati after bribery and kidnapping and name it.

He did try but didnt go as expected in Mt Kenya area because it was Rutos stronghold . Its hard to to rig your opponents stronghold because the supporters are vigilant. You can rig your strongholds  and battleground which Raila did in both 2007 and 2008 .
If Mt Kenya had become a battle ground as Uhuru and Raila wanted it to be Ruto would be opposition leader as we speak .
you can get millions of vote in Nairobi but its not anyone stronghold. Stronghold that allow local collusion rigging is where 95 percent of votes are voting one way.Last election was only in luo n kalenjin. GEMA had strong Azimio supporters. Its was not possible to rig.Luo nyanza and kalenjin without biometrics rigging would have happened. Next rigging happens in remote areas.Finally bomas...moderation can be done if not for chebukati.
kalenjins voted for uhuru at highs of 90s...same with Raila..same with Moi...in narc...there was significant breakaway.That only election or referendum kalenjins have not voted 95 percent one way..GEMA only voted 95 percent for 2005,2007 and uhuru three elections. Luos has always voted 99 percent for whatever raila wants..so they use to do lots of rigging..just like Kalenjin. That stronghold rigging is disappearing

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2023, 10:32:26 AM »
Gema Azimios were significant enough..something like 25 percent to prevent any tribal collusion or conspiracy