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Eucharist Miracle or Some Catholic Bullsh*t?
« on: December 11, 2014, 09:00:58 AM »

Below is a narration of what happened in one of the miracles in the video...for those who might not have the time or data to watch it.

A consecrated Host becomes flesh and bloodhttp://www.loamagazine.org/nr/the_main_topic/eucharistic_miracle_in_buenos.html
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Re: Eucharist Miracle or Some Catholic Bullsh*t?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2014, 09:09:53 AM »
First red flag
Doctor Frederic  Zugibe's publication list has none of this miraculous finding
http://66.59.70.135/publish.htm
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Eucharist Miracle or Some Catholic Bullsh*t?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2014, 05:00:11 PM »
It would appear that miracles have a hard time being accepted in modern times.

What do you make of the miracle of the sun in Fatima, October 13, 1917?  I stand to be corrected but I think one of these children predicted world war II.


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Re: Eucharist Miracle or Some Catholic Bullsh*t?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2014, 06:20:17 PM »
Termie,
One verse

Acts 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.


Am a Christian, I have witnessed miracles but I can tell you that I totally agree with James Randi, 99% of the so called miracles are BS claims that can't stand scrutiny. Notable/Observable miracles are extremely rare. Too rare than we want them and this breeds fakes

There was NOTHING in the Miracle of the Sun. You have thousands preconditioned to see something in the sun, they stare directly into the sun and claimed to have seen it dancing. If the sun is going to dance significantly to be observed by the naked eye it would have to cover hundreds of thousands of kilometers very fast. That's something that can't be missed by 1913 astronomy gear. That not a single observatory picked nothing on this day tells it all. It was a localized event at most.

Sometimes when I was much younger a woman , a devout Catholic claimed to have seen Mary in her hurricane lamp at night. The next day the entire village flocked to her house. During the day they would shut all the doors to and watch at the burning lamp. Some women started claiming that they had seen her too. Those who saw nothing were written off as lacking faith. Over the next few days crowds came from neighboring villages......you get the drift

One of the kids survived to 97 years of age. In the 1940s she was aksd to write down the three secrets she had seen. She wrote just two. The first was a vision of hell ( is this a secret?) The next was a vision of World War 1 ending and WW2 starting if men didn't repent or something. The second is quite impressive except she wrote it AFTER WW2 had started. That's prophet Owuor's mentor right there :lolz:

The third one is BS as well and i think the one pope suggested she may have imagined it
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html
It would appear that miracles have a hard time being accepted in modern times.

What do you make of the miracle of the sun in Fatima, October 13, 1917?  I stand to be corrected but I think one of these children predicted world war II.
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2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Eucharist Miracle or Some Catholic Bullsh*t?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 05:08:57 PM »

Termie,
One verse


Acts 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.


Am a Christian, I have witnessed miracles but I can tell you that I totally agree with James Randi, 99% of the so called miracles are BS claims that can't stand scrutiny. Notable/Observable miracles are extremely rare. Too rare than we want them and this breeds fakes


There was NOTHING in the Miracle of the Sun. You have thousands preconditioned to see something in the sun, they stare directly into the sun and claimed to have seen it dancing. If the sun is going to dance significantly to be observed by the naked eye it would have to cover hundreds of thousands of kilometers very fast. That's something that can't be missed by 1913 astronomy gear. That not a single observatory picked nothing on this day tells it all. It was a localized event at most.


Sometimes when I was much younger a woman , a devout Catholic claimed to have seen Mary in her hurricane lamp at night. The next day the entire village flocked to her house. During the day they would shut all the doors to and watch at the burning lamp. Some women started claiming that they had seen her too. Those who saw nothing were written off as lacking faith. Over the next few days crowds came from neighboring villages......you get the drift


One of the kids survived to 97 years of age. In the 1940s she was aksd to write down the three secrets she had seen. She wrote just two. The first was a vision of hell ( is this a secret?) The next was a vision of World War 1 ending and WW2 starting if men didn't repent or something. The second is quite impressive except she wrote it AFTER WW2 had started. That's prophet Owuor's mentor right there


The third one is BS as well and i think the one pope suggested she may have imagined it
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html
It would appear that miracles have a hard time being accepted in modern times.


What do you make of the miracle of the sun in Fatima, October 13, 1917?  I stand to be corrected but I think one of these children predicted world war II.
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It appears you don't believe Sister Lucia's story.  They seem genuine to me.  The miracle of the sun could have easily happened and been missed by astronomy gear from any era including the future.  If you factor in an omnipotent that can suspend the laws of nature.

What miracle have you witnessed?  Do you have documentary evidence for it?  Is there any Negro prophet that you respect?
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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Re: Eucharist Miracle or Some Catholic Bullsh*t?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 09:59:34 PM »
I desperately want to believe in it but it looks like BS,smells like BS so it must be BS.
Just think of how much distance the sun needs to cover and how fast to be noticeable to a naked human eye. That's a galactic experience and you are saying ONLY a few thousand guys in a specific place saw that? They had observatories back then! Am not doubting that God the Creator of All can make the sun bounce from one edge of our galaxy to the other, just that such a phenomena would not be missed. And there was as many contradicting accounts as the deluded.

The only miracle I can confidently share is that of an otherwise normal but childless couple. They was married five years and had been trying to get a baby for over 4 years. The wife approached me and asked me for verses to encourage such a couple. I shared some verses and promised to pray for her friend. After a few days I shared prayer points from Psalms. The lady conceived around the same time and when she was delivered she told me that it was her and she was embarrassed of telling me directly. She was so overjoyed. They burnt some serious cash on fertility clinics and specialists to no avail. I wanted to know if they had used anything special over conception, drugs and such. They just had normal sex and the pregnancy caught her by surprise.

Negro prophets.....I used to believe T B Joshua was a prophet. In fact I shared his MH370 prophecy on .com and you viciously attacked it. I later discovered he is nothing more than a charlatan. I can't think of any public figure. This is not to mean that all that claim to be prophets are false, just that I haven't tested all. Jarluo Owuor I have tested and found to be an unintelligent charlatan. But I have a buddy in Norway. The negro prophesied over my life and not just generalities with shocking precision.
It  appears you don't believe Sister Lucia's story.  They seem genuine to me.  The miracle of the sun could have easily happened and been missed by astronomy gear from any era including the future.  If you factor in an omnipotent that can suspend the laws of nature.

What miracle have you witnessed?  Do you have documentary evidence for it?  Is there any Negro prophet that you respect?
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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