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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Brynn on September 04, 2014, 06:35:05 PM
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Who knows what other safety protocols he bypassed while handling Africans? He doesn't even care for his own life.
Latest US doc to get Ebola skipped protective gear in 100-degree heat, says colleague
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa – The latest U.S. doctor to contract Ebola in Africa was working with outpatients in 100-degree temperatures that made it difficult to wear protective gear when he was exposed to an obstetrics patient stricken with the deadly disease, said another American physician who worked in the same hospital.
Dr. Rick Sacra, a 51-year-old physician from Massachusetts, was working in the obstetrics unit of the massive Elwa Hospital in the Liberian capital of Monrovia, far from the Ebola unit, said Dr. Jeff Deal, a South Carolina doctor who traveled to Liberia to help battle the crisis engulfing much of Africa. Doctors and other health care workers often do not wear protective gear in the general part of the hospital, most of which has no air conditioning. With high temperatures compounded by equatorial humidity, many doctors and healthcare workers outside of the Ebola unit skip protective gear.
"I was pretty shocked when I heard," Deal said. "At first I thought should I isolate myself, but now I have been a little comforted that I have been wearing protective clothing at all times, and no one who has followed the proper protocols has fallen sick.”
Although the hospital's Ebola Treatment Unit is sanitized constantly, including through the use of an ultraviolet ray-emitting machine Deal arranged for, outpatients who see workers in other parts of the facility, who have not been diagnosed and may be in denial about their symptoms— often come in contact with unprotected staff, Deal said.
Nurses at the hospital went on strike Monday, in part for better pay due to hazardous conditions, but also for access to more complete protective gear.
In the latest case, Sacra was treating a patient for an obstetric condition and told staff the woman was "highly suspicious" and displaying Ebola symptoms.
Doctors Without Borders, the medical charity that runs the Ebola unit, use three-layered, disposable uniforms that include a hood, boots, apron, bib, gloves and goggles. Deal said working in the suits is exhausting, and doctors can last little more than 3-4 hours in them. Deal said it takes more than 30 minutes to get out of the suit, and a bleach solution must be applied on each newly-exposed layer.
Sacra, who is a missionary with SIM USA, a faith-based charity headquartered in Charlotte, N.C., isolated himself in the hospital's Ebola unit immediately after experiencing symptoms and is doing well, according to officials with SIM, which originally stood for Sudan Interior Mission when it was founded in 1893.
"My heart was deeply saddened, but my faith was not shaken, when I learned another of our missionary doctors contracted Ebola," said Bruce Johnson, president of SIM USA. "As a global mission, we are surrounding our missionary with prayer, as well as our Liberian SIM/ELWA colleagues, who continue fighting the Ebola epidemic in Liberia. We have gifted Liberian doctors, medical staff and support staff who are carrying on the fight."
Deal said Sacra will be treated with a balance of electrolytes and intravenous nutrition and likely has the same survival outlook as those who have been brought back to the U.S. for treatment. He said the high mortality rate for Africans is likely due to delays in getting treatment and the fact that patients may have other diseases, including malaria or dengue fever.
Deal said Sacra will likely be brought back to the U.S. in the event his condition worsens.
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Doctors are stupid. They're not trained to handle epidemic situations. Scientists are trained for such.
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They risk other patients by being infected themselves. Incredibly irresponsible. How many more patients did Rick infect? They are one source of why the infections are spreading. Touching how many patients while being infected?
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I honestly don't touch anything in public. To open doors I karate chop with my feet. While waiting at the lights, if noone presses the button to walk across I kick the button. My feet is my hand in public.
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Veritas
The other daft one is the Nigerian doc that has put the whole of Port Hartcourt at risk including his own family, church and hospital. Apparently he is resting in peace while they sort the mess.
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I mean if I'm wearing a skirt, I sort of nudge it with my pinky finger, then quickly dab it with sanitizer. Cleanliness is next to godliness.
Brynn, I have too many horror stories about doctor negligence. They literally think they're invincible. Oh I would NEVER get Ebola because I'm a doctor. They have the biggest egos. The dumbest thinkers. Can't write. The only thing they excel at is memorising textbooks.
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Hey, don't let me be misunderstood Veri. I hold the medical profession with reverential respect but you are right. Some tweebs slip through the cracks. Most docs are saintly :-).
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Doctors are perverts then become killers once they get jaded.
I was sitting next to a chap in the computer room the other day and he looked to be memorising the intricate anal parts for, I kid you not, the title on the left hand corner of his screen...diarriha.. which I still can't spell after trying to memorise the spelling for many years. He was squinting at the screen mumbling under his breath repeatedly long latin names.
What use is that in an Ebola crisis?
I was very tempted to make a fart noise but he looked really, really serious like his life depended on it.
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You know what my med supervisor said to me? I mentioned Kenya and she said, oh, they get lots of diarrhea.
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lol! You are crazy. I was looking at WHO mortality statistics for Kenya and yes, diarrohea is a significant portion (probably sanitary lax and dirty water etc).
Doctors brain is wired to focus on the body. Some are very lost if you throw them into social problems. You would think the same brain can be remapped onto the social metrics but apparently a lot of them miss this connection. I was litsening to world recknown neurologist Ben Carson make a go at race freakonomics and was shocked by his level of myopia.
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Omg Brynn, you are so mistaken. I'm studying with fully fledged doctors right now doing their medical masters. They're good at math. Writing and understanding the humanities is impossible for them. They honestly can't think. Capitalism has trained them to be plumbers. Even the most basic arguments like Strawman they don't get it, not even at basic high school level. You'd be shocked. They're not intelligent.
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LOL!! Veri you crack me up. But come on, medical entrance exams are not for dweebs. You have to be fairly intelligent to pass.
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They're no doubt good at math which is weighted three times more than written sections. If English/communication was weighed equally there'd be much better doctors in the world right now. I scored like 90 in the written sections, and a dismal 50 in the math section which is pretty much equivalent to fail. I could never pass that exam, does that make me stupid?
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Talking of brain efficiency, I only recently learnt that the dolphin is the smartest animal on earth at brain use capacity of 20%. Most men are at 10 but you and me is higher because we can tune into *the matrix (hypothesized to be possible at 30%).
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I don't really understand this matrix system. Is it telekinesis? I recall you and RP wanted to make a new forum before I announced. You saw something in the matrix didn't you?
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Hahaha, I'm logging out after this reply. I think Pokot is unconsciously in the matrix. He's said a couple of things that jerked me up my seat. To avoid spookiness I'm off to get coffee. Ttyl.
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I had this urgent agitation all around me. MAKE THE FORUM NOW. A frightening urgency to it. I was going to delay for another couple days. Did you get that feeling too?
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I need to know more about this matrix. How can I learn? Enjoy coffee. Ttyl.
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I was actually pleasantly surprised you made this forum. It's my new internet home, I like. THANKS for heeding whatever which call. It feels right, gotta go. Xoxo.
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I was surprised myself. Yes, please enjoy a yummy coffee. I want coffee too but it's late and I have to sleep. Night Brynn.
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Bryn
Its against medical ethical standards to knowingly spread disease. Medical professionalsare supposed to make you better not make you ill.
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Parker
These two cases seem more like professional negligence than breaking Hippocratic oaths and other laws available since the days of Hammurabi.
The second one is of most concern, the Nigerian one. He couldn't draw the line where kinjeketile ngware ends and where Ebola begins. This coming at a time when there was full alert in the medical centers in west Africa for Ebola symptoms. After he developed the symptoms (by treating a runway zombie without adequate protection) he attended a baby shower and had the staff at his his hosi tend to him and the flock from his church lay hands on his sweaty mandingo forhead.
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I have to say that the other issue that will play a major role in the spread of the disease is that of *certain classes in Africa being above the law thus bypassing common checkpoints. This Nigerian doctor and the guy that infected him are great examples. The white doc is also a good example.
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Its up to the hospital administrators to vigorously enforce protocol when it comes to infection control, whether its ebola, SARS, Flu, etc. Also the medical board should hold doctors accountable. SOme people take a cobow attitude to wherever they are and.....
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Its up to the hospital administrators to vigorously enforce protocol when it comes to infection control, whether its ebola, SARS, Flu, etc. Also the medical board should hold doctors accountable. SOme people take a cobow attitude to wherever they are and.....
Parker
Good luck! Nigeria is as African as things get....it's not enough that her privileged bro did what he felt like, to some quarantine is voluntary.
SaharaReporters has learned today from the Nigerian Federal Ministry of Health that the sister of the doctor who was felled by Ebola virus in Port Harcourt and skipped quarantine has Ebola. The woman becomes the 18th confirmed case of the virus in Nigeria.
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What are the chances that the Ebola saga has rendered other killer diseases(Africa is not short on those) under the radar?
He said the high mortality rate for Africans is likely due to delays in getting treatment and the fact that patients may have other diseases, including malaria or dengue fever.
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Your ex boyfie must have been a doc. You have unresolved issues with him.
Doctors are stupid. They're not trained to handle epidemic situations. Scientists are trained for such.
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Nup. dropped out of med school twice. Doctors are uncultured. I'd rather take my chances with a real plumber who at least have common sense. Med doctors miss the point completely, they ignore patients. In a nutshell they're retarded from memorising capitalist rubbish to the tee. No shred of creativity, no sense of self, self-serving titled rubbish who kill patients to get ahead in their career. Doctors are different today, not the same as 20 years ago.