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Title: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
And you won't have an exit strategy :)

I hear Wanjohi went to Ruto house in Karen yesterday and today they were with governors.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 07:48:31 PM
Where did you "hear" about Uhuru visiting Karen - FB? Mobutu report to Kinyua in new pecking order. "Ruto Tosha" is an infinitely remote possibility presently - more likely Mobutu would openly back Uhuru for Exec PM to escape more brutal flogging. Mobutu has nothing to offer as Uhuru unleash the sjambok aka nyahunyo.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 07:56:48 PM
Nyar,  scene 1: 2002- Raila's NDP has just merged with KANU and Raila is in cloud Nine.

35yr old Ruto instructs Kanu exec director Gichumbi that himself alongside a young Uhuru Kenyatta would be the real masters at the KANU headquarters.

You know how that ended - Moi ignored his existence and he endorsed Uhuru - he ended up backing Kibaki - who played a fool until 2 weeks after being sworn - told Raila to book an appointment from Kireri.

Nyar, scene 2: 2013 - Uhuru resign over Mandazi to MaDVD - and everything signed before prominent lawyers. You know how that went.

Btw Raila and Ruto - who do you think Uhuru would make a deal with - even if he wanted to be executive PM :) :)

Raila may well deliver PM; and Uhuru knows he can work with Ruto; Obviously Uhuru knows Gideon Moi is useless politically.

If anybody ask you what mistake has Ruto done to Uhuru - it doesn't exist :) - so be very careful. Have you seen Ruto abuse Uhuru even once....cold wars...are like fight btw man and wife..but don't think a mistress is about to get married.

You could be getting played very badly. We, men, have done it, telling our girlfriends how we hate our wives and how we plan to divorce them - then retire to warm meal :) with the same wife...yes we could have difference but divorce is extreme measure when kids are involved and all that.

Few people trust Raila. That I know since I started learning about politics in 1992.

Where did you "hear" about Uhuru visiting Karen - FB? Mobutu report to Kinyua in new pecking order. "Ruto Tosha" is an infinitely remote possibility presently - more likely Mobutu would openly back Uhuru for Exec PM to escape more brutal flogging. Mobutu has nothing to offer as Uhuru unleash the sjambok aka nyahunyo.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 08:09:30 PM
That lot of ifs, buts, maybes. Deal with reality in the news. We can't know for certain what tomorrow holds - but we can see Mobutu being cut to size from all angles. Ala Jaramogi 60s after crowning Jomo; or Njonjo 80s after crowning Moi. "Nobody trust Raila" is your personal opinion backed by zero evidence. "Everbody trust Raila" is closer to present reality.

In meantime I see bitter Murkomen and Cherargeis baying for Waiguru blood - as Mutula, Kamar and Handshake defend her. I don't sense a detente in the air.


Tanga Tanga leaders pour scorn on Waiguru defence
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-06-10-tanga-tanga-leaders-pour-scorn-on-waiguru-defence/
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: patel on June 10, 2020, 08:15:45 PM
Uhuru can endorse whoever he wants to endorse. We have beaten him together with Mobutu before. Twice he had to steal elections. Nothing new here.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 08:17:53 PM
Your entire life is based on a fickle theory that Uhuru intends to go for executive PM with Raila as Ceremonial PORK. That scenario I find laughable. My theory is Uhuru will skim the cream for 5ys uninterrupted - and after that will leave Ruto to maul you. And you won't have any exit strategy. You best option would be to attempt to TOSHA somebody else.
That lot of ifs, buts, maybes. Deal with reality in the news. We can't know for certain what tomorrow holds - but we can see Mobutu being cut to size from all angles. Ala Jaramogi 60s after crowning Jomo; or Njonjo 80s after crowning Moi. "Nobody trust Raila" is your personal opinion backed by zero evidence. "Everbody trust Raila" is closer to present reality.

In meantime I see bitter Murkomen and Cherargeis baying for Waiguru blood - as Mutula, Kamar and Handshake defend her. I don't sense a detente in the air.


Tanga Tanga leaders pour scorn on Waiguru defence
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-06-10-tanga-tanga-leaders-pour-scorn-on-waiguru-defence/
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 08:19:55 PM
Yes but you always get rigged :) Maybe if you grew a brain like maDVD people won't lie to you like children get lied to. My late grandfather told me Jaramogi was like a kid..that was 92 before he died in 94;

You know a kid can be lied to 10 times  day and because of their naivety they will be excited every time.

Uhuru can endorse whoever he wants to endorse. We have beaten him together with Mobutu before. Twice he had to steal elections. Nothing new here.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: patel on June 10, 2020, 08:26:48 PM
At least Jaramogi RIP made it up to VP. How far did your big brain grandfather go? Are you mad bro. Your king Mobutu is getting dog beating and he cannot fight back. Your warrior nonsense has been reduced to worrier by a 'drunkard who cannot find his bum' (your words not mine). Focus. Slowly tangatanga has been reduced to Takataka.
Yes but you always get rigged :) Maybe if you grew a brain like maDVD people won't lie to you like children get lied to. My late grandfather told me Jaramogi was like a kid..that was 92 before he died in 94;

You know a kid can be lied to 10 times  day and because of their naivety they will be excited every time.

Uhuru can endorse whoever he wants to endorse. We have beaten him together with Mobutu before. Twice he had to steal elections. Nothing new here.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 08:30:50 PM
There is no detente in the air. That's for sure. As long as mabangi wants to be PM there cannot be a reasonable deal with Ruto. Because even Ruto's backyard RV would REBEL should he agree to join Uhuru to change Katiba and have Mabangi as PM. Indeed that would be the WORST DEAL EVER because no one would be ready to buy it. Remember the feelings with "others" who don't support Jubilee that the "two tribes" want to rule Kenya forever. So for Uhuru/Ruto to have a deal that they alternate PM, president would be unsaleable... It turns the whole thing about two individuals... And Ruto would explain himself aje?
And if there is a deal Uhuru was proposing to Ruto; then its Ruto who's being taken for a ride UNLESS mabangi decides to truly retire. In that case, all he has to do is NOTHING. Just do his presidential work and leave political arena. He even doesn't have to endorse Ruto..

The die is cast; Ruto must chart  his destiny through thick and thin without Uhuru. Raila has made his move and his base has largely bought into it; EVEN CONSENTING TO UHURU BEING EXECUTIVE PM. 

That lot of ifs, buts, maybes. Deal with reality in the news. We can't know for certain what tomorrow holds - but we can see Mobutu being cut to size from all angles. Ala Jaramogi 60s after crowning Jomo; or Njonjo 80s after crowning Moi. "Nobody trust Raila" is your personal opinion backed by zero evidence. "Everbody trust Raila" is closer to present reality.

In meantime I see bitter Murkomen and Cherargeis baying for Waiguru blood - as Mutula, Kamar and Handshake defend her. I don't sense a detente in the air.


Tanga Tanga leaders pour scorn on Waiguru defence
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-06-10-tanga-tanga-leaders-pour-scorn-on-waiguru-defence/
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Jaromogi alliance with Kenyatta led to amending (or mutilation depending on leanings) of the Independent Constitution. Which gave Kenyatta (Presidency ) loads of power. They fell out and Jaramogi was among the first to experience Kenyatta's powers.
Now we have his son Raila and Kenyatta son, Uhuru in an alliance to amend (to me its mutilate) current constitution so as Kenyatta retain power for much longer and Raila gain power. History has a way of repeating itself, sometimes as a farce!

At least Jaramogi RIP made it up to VP. How far did your big brain grandfather go? Are you mad bro. Your king Mobutu is getting dog beating and he cannot fight back. Your warrior nonsense has been reduced to worrier by a 'drunkard who cannot find his bum' (your words not mine). Focus. Slowly tangatanga has been reduced to Takataka.
Yes but you always get rigged :) Maybe if you grew a brain like maDVD people won't lie to you like children get lied to. My late grandfather told me Jaramogi was like a kid..that was 92 before he died in 94;

You know a kid can be lied to 10 times  day and because of their naivety they will be excited every time.

Uhuru can endorse whoever he wants to endorse. We have beaten him together with Mobutu before. Twice he had to steal elections. Nothing new here.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 08:45:38 PM
Do you think a son of Mama Ngina would be so desperate to become Prime Minister - Duale - for someone else - salute a president - and say, Your Excellency, your majesty the King, the commander in chief of all armed forces, Raila Amolo Odinga, your gov, bla bla. Worse for Raila - he can maybe do it under Ruto who is cordial. And then start dealing with Babu owino on parliament on daily basis. Answering stupid questions from MPs about XYZ chief in Kapsengero who beat up XYC- and diving into the toilet every few minutes to smoke :) :) :) - and to go drink.

If Uhuru wanted to play politics - for long time - he would be a lot nicer. He is nasty - first Jubilee PG - in 3yrs - and doesn't care about nothing - because he is home-bound.

I still insist Wanjohi is going home. The man has achieved all he wanted. Money is not a problem for them. Otherwise, they would have long have sold their landholdings.

If any president cannot comeback and become someone servient - a royal prince like Uhuru can NEVER. What for? Money?

I think Wanjohi just intend to steal as much as possible and enjoy power as much as possible for five years.

I'd summarize his small ambition now to never depending on Mama Ngina or Kenyatta family for anything - he is going to have his own stash outside Kenyatta Snr.

Previously he has needed the mum to cut the cheque for him - you know how that must feel - going to Mama Ngina and Muhoho to plead for Money.

There is no detente in the air. That's for sure. As long as mabangi wants to be PM there cannot be a reasonable deal with Ruto. Because even Ruto's backyard RV would REBEL should he agree to join Uhuru to change Katiba and have Mabangi as PM. Indeed that would be the WORST DEAL EVER because no one would be ready to buy it. Remember the feelings with "others" who don't support Jubilee that the "two tribes" want to rule Kenya forever. So for Uhuru/Ruto to have a deal that they alternate PM, president would be unsaleable... It turns the whole thing about two individuals... And Ruto would explain himself aje?
And if there is a deal Uhuru was proposing to Ruto; then its Ruto who's being taken for a ride UNLESS mabangi decides to truly retire. In that case, all he has to do is NOTHING. Just do his presidential work and leave political arena. He even doesn't have to endorse Ruto..

The die is cast; Ruto must chart  his destiny through thick and thin without Uhuru. Raila has made his move and his base has largely bought into it; EVEN CONSENTING TO UHURU BEING EXECUTIVE PM. 

That lot of ifs, buts, maybes. Deal with reality in the news. We can't know for certain what tomorrow holds - but we can see Mobutu being cut to size from all angles. Ala Jaramogi 60s after crowning Jomo; or Njonjo 80s after crowning Moi. "Nobody trust Raila" is your personal opinion backed by zero evidence. "Everbody trust Raila" is closer to present reality.

In meantime I see bitter Murkomen and Cherargeis baying for Waiguru blood - as Mutula, Kamar and Handshake defend her. I don't sense a detente in the air.


Tanga Tanga leaders pour scorn on Waiguru defence
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-06-10-tanga-tanga-leaders-pour-scorn-on-waiguru-defence/
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 08:53:04 PM
Jaramogi lasted 3yrs as VP - 2yrs - and maybe 1yr as powerful VP. Ruto is clocking 10yrs like Moi as VP - although everyone admit he was co-president in the first term. Politics require certain stealth, cunningness, strategic, and tactics that the Odinga family lacks.

Look at Raila being lied to for I forget how many times - and he still not any closer to power.

At least Jaramogi RIP made it up to VP. How far did your big brain grandfather go? Are you mad bro. Your king Mobutu is getting dog beating and he cannot fight back. Your warrior nonsense has been reduced to worrier by a 'drunkard who cannot find his bum' (your words not mine). Focus. Slowly tangatanga has been reduced to Takataka.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 08:57:03 PM
It not a theory - Murathe, Atwoli and kitchen cabinet float it now and then. Uhuru himself has "no problem" should Kenyans want him to continue as PM. These was in the headlines last 2 years. Haji and some wazee are working via Zoom on the details.

Now of course Uhuru is playing Raila is pure hope. Ohoo Uhuru want to skim the creme alone - so so lame - why hang Mobutu for that? If Mobutu already conceded in 2016.

"Yangu kumi, Ndugu yangu William kimi" - at least this was real... until 2 minutes after Jubilee 2 begin :D

Your entire life is based on a fickle theory that Uhuru intends to go for executive PM with Raila as Ceremonial PORK. That scenario I find laughable. My theory is Uhuru will skim the cream for 5ys uninterrupted - and after that will leave Ruto to maul you. And you won't have any exit strategy. You best option would be to attempt to TOSHA somebody else.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:01:28 PM
Ever heard of red herring or you're so busy with "trojan horse" that is visible from 10000 miles. Uhuru knows Raila would like such a gameplan. Uhuru of course will never call Raila  HIS EXcellency :). and become his mtu wa mkono.

Anyway, Sonko even offered Uhuru 3rd term - but he is gone now :) He didn't realize Uhuru was more interested about NOW :) :) :)

I am not convinced Uhuru is going for anything except enjoy power (steal alone) and then leave your guys on your own devices.

FOCUS ON UHURU NOW - and his unchallenged power grab - power is ability to make any decision unchallenged - and he will use it to further Kenyatta empire.

It not a theory - Murathe, Atwoli and kitchen cabinet float it now and then. Uhuru himself has "no problem" should Kenyans want him to continue as PM. These was in the headlines last 2 years. Haji and some wazee are working via Zoom on the details.

Now of course Uhuru is playing Raila is pure hope. Ohoo Uhuru want to skim the creme alone - so so lame - why hang Mobutu for that? If Mobutu already conceded in 2016.

"Yangu kumi, Ndugu yangu William kimi" - at least this was real... until 2 minutes after Jubilee 2 begin :D

Your entire life is based on a fickle theory that Uhuru intends to go for executive PM with Raila as Ceremonial PORK. That scenario I find laughable. My theory is Uhuru will skim the cream for 5ys uninterrupted - and after that will leave Ruto to maul you. And you won't have any exit strategy. You best option would be to attempt to TOSHA somebody else.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 09:03:53 PM
The Odingas have wielded dynasty over Luo and big swathes of Luhya, Mijikenda, Matusa for years. Only time will tell how long Ruto last - he is mere 7 years in power proper. In Jubilee 2 he is more like a CAS with zero power. Raila of course has been PM with part cabinet 5 years and is now de facto DPORK as Ruto wallow in the cold.


Jaramogi lasted 3yrs as VP - 2yrs - and maybe 1yr as powerful VP. Ruto is clocking 10yrs like Moi as VP - although everyone admit he was co-president in the first term. Politics require certain stealth, cunningness, strategic, and tactics that the Odinga family lacks.

Look at Raila being lied to for I forget how many times - and he still not any closer to power.

At least Jaramogi RIP made it up to VP. How far did your big brain grandfather go? Are you mad bro. Your king Mobutu is getting dog beating and he cannot fight back. Your warrior nonsense has been reduced to worrier by a 'drunkard who cannot find his bum' (your words not mine). Focus. Slowly tangatanga has been reduced to Takataka.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 09:05:16 PM
You are being rationale. I submit we are no longer dealing with rationality. Then you give Uhuru too much credit as "Mama Ngina son..." He's been known even to get involved in deals the type of Sonkos can pull.... Then BEFORE you give Kenyattas as sophisticated or above some things; ask yourself,  since Kenyattas are really rich rich and wealthy WHY DO THEY STEAL SO MUCH? The same thinking applies IF THEY CAN KEEP POWER and steal more, then why not!?

And just for argument sake, if he wants to steal as much as possible, then why go after his DP with so much venom? Why go after his MPs whose only fault is just having different opinion and are not interfering with his stealing? Why make obvious efforts in all ways to get Constitutional reforms? Why purge his political party which has nothing to prevent his stealing?

All these you think is to make Raila happy? For what? Besides, With his Jubilee together he gets everything done and passed. If it was to contain Raila why not give him and his selected individuals  CSes, Parastatal heads? And also let him make deals as he's doing? Why all the other dramas? Apart from his close aides and Raila NO ONE WANTS TO BE NEXT TO HIM. He's bad news at the moment...

Soon or later, they MAY fall out. But they will do so not because Uhuru isn't serious but because Raila may demand more than Uhuru can muster.



Do you think a son of Mama Ngina would be so desperate to become Prime Minister - Duale - for someone else - salute a president - and say, Your Excellency, your majesty the Kind, the commander in chief of all armed forces, Raila Amolo Odinga, your gov, bla bla. Worse Raila. And then start dealing with Babu owino on parliament on daily basis

If Uhuru wanted to play politics - for long time - he would be a lot nicer. He is nasty - first Jubilee PG - in 3yrs - and doesn't care about nothing - because he is home-bound.

I still insist Wanjohi is going home. The man has achieved all he wanted. Money is not a problem for them. Otherwise, they would have long have sold their landholdings.

If any president cannot comeback and become someone servient - a royal prince like Uhuru can NEVER. What for? Money?

I think Wanjohi just intend to steal as much as possible and enjoy power as much as possible for five years
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:07:24 PM
Odinga have power over Luos - and maybe post ODM - part of Luhya and Mijikenda. They haven't managed to make that count because they are not strategic or tactical. Their gameplan is like HTML - what you see is what you get.

Where people are playing chess - they always bring their Ajua A-game.

As of now Odinga Jaramogi - 2yrs as VP - and Raila PM as 5yrs - the Minister for a max of 5yrs.

Ruto is at 55yrs - and he beat Odinga family combined :)

The Odingas have wielded dynasty over Luo and big swathes of Luhya, Mijikenda, Matusa for years. Only time will tell how long Ruto last - he is mere 7 years in power proper. In Jubilee 2 he is more like a CAS with zero power. Raila of course has been PM with part cabinet 5 years and is now de facto DORK as Ruto wallow in the cold.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:12:36 PM
If Uhuru wanted to crash Ruto he would have done it a long time ago. If Uhuru wanted to do BBI - he would have done it long time ago.

Museveni removed 70yr term limit about 10yrs before he was to get to 70yrs.

Uhuru is a politician - and every good politician has two faces. The best have even 7 heads like a hydra-headed serpent - telling you x, telling someone else something else....

Anyway, we will see but I am not convinced that someone who has become Executive PORK in Africa can go on and become Prime Minister.

So Uhuru supports Raila - and then wait for Raila to appoint him or Mps to elect him - the same Mps he has treated with contempt.

When it come to politics - don't follow the drama - use logic and rationale.

Politics is drama - but beyond it's - it power and money. Follow the power and money - if Uhuru is friendly to Raila - let him give him Finance or Interior ministry like he did to Ruto previously.

You are being rationale. I submit we are no longer dealing with rationality. Then you give Uhuru too much credit as "Mama Ngina son..." He's been known even to get involved in deals the type of Sonkos can pull.... Then BEFORE you give Kenyattas as sophisticated or above some things; ask yourself,  since Kenyattas are really rich rich and wealthy WHY DO THEY STEAL SO MUCH? The same thinking applies IF THEY CAN KEEP POWER and steal more, then why not!?

And just for argument sake, if he wants to steal as much as possible, then why go after his DP with so much venom? Why go after his MPs whose only fault is just having different opinion and are not interfering with his stealing? Why make obvious efforts in all ways to get Constitutional reforms? Why purge his political party which has nothing to prevent his stealing?

All these you think is to make Raila happy? For what? Besides, With his Jubilee together he gets everything done and passed. If it was to contain Raila why not give him and his selected individuals  CSes, Parastatal heads? And also let him make deals as he's doing? Why all the other dramas? Apart from his close aides and Raila NO ONE WANTS TO BE NEXT TO HIM. He's bad news at the moment...

Soon or later, they MAY fall out. But they will do so not because Uhuru isn't serious but because Raila may demand more than Uhuru can muster.



Do you think a son of Mama Ngina would be so desperate to become Prime Minister - Duale - for someone else - salute a president - and say, Your Excellency, your majesty the Kind, the commander in chief of all armed forces, Raila Amolo Odinga, your gov, bla bla. Worse Raila. And then start dealing with Babu owino on parliament on daily basis

If Uhuru wanted to play politics - for long time - he would be a lot nicer. He is nasty - first Jubilee PG - in 3yrs - and doesn't care about nothing - because he is home-bound.

I still insist Wanjohi is going home. The man has achieved all he wanted. Money is not a problem for them. Otherwise, they would have long have sold their landholdings.

If any president cannot comeback and become someone servient - a royal prince like Uhuru can NEVER. What for? Money?

I think Wanjohi just intend to steal as much as possible and enjoy power as much as possible for five years
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 09:14:18 PM
Raila is CS for State House Advisory Services or President's Personal CS without portfolio. 


The Odingas have wielded dynasty over Luo and big swathes of Luhya, Mijikenda, Matusa for years. Only time will tell how long Ruto last - he is mere 7 years in power proper. In Jubilee 2 he is more like a CAS with zero power. Raila of course has been PM with part cabinet 5 years and is now de facto DPORK as Ruto wallow in the cold.


Jaramogi lasted 3yrs as VP - 2yrs - and maybe 1yr as powerful VP. Ruto is clocking 10yrs like Moi as VP - although everyone admit he was co-president in the first term. Politics require certain stealth, cunningness, strategic, and tactics that the Odinga family lacks.

Look at Raila being lied to for I forget how many times - and he still not any closer to power.

At least Jaramogi RIP made it up to VP. How far did your big brain grandfather go? Are you mad bro. Your king Mobutu is getting dog beating and he cannot fight back. Your warrior nonsense has been reduced to worrier by a 'drunkard who cannot find his bum' (your words not mine). Focus. Slowly tangatanga has been reduced to Takataka.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
Uhuru is wielding raw power - and elevating Raila at the same time - while hanging Mobutu. They are not mutually exclusive. The Executive Order No 1 2020 is barely dry - look it up for reality. Why imagine things? Uhuru discerns a "constitutional moment" few days ago. There is no order, move or whiff to undermine Raila- instead merely backing Mobutu get Waititu, Kihika, Kindiki and shebang hanged. Dirty Diana Waiguru wil escape the noose for being anti-Mobutu, pro-Raila. Mdvd and Rectangular are in the sauce - the main article of impeachment is backing Mobutu 8)

See? - we don't know the future 100% but there are clear intentions and favorites.


Ever heard of red herring or you're so busy with "trojan horse" that is visible from 10000 miles. Uhuru knows Raila would like such a gameplan. Uhuru of course will never call Raila  HIS EXcellency :). and become his mtu wa mkono.

Anyway, Sonko even offered Uhuru 3rd term - but he is gone now :) He didn't realize Uhuru was more interested about NOW :) :) :)

I am not convinced Uhuru is going for anything except enjoy power (steal alone) and then leave your guys on your own devices.

FOCUS ON UHURU NOW - and his unchallenged power grab - power is ability to make any decision unchallenged - and he will use it to further Kenyatta empire.

It not a theory - Murathe, Atwoli and kitchen cabinet float it now and then. Uhuru himself has "no problem" should Kenyans want him to continue as PM. These was in the headlines last 2 years. Haji and some wazee are working via Zoom on the details.

Now of course Uhuru is playing Raila is pure hope. Ohoo Uhuru want to skim the creme alone - so so lame - why hang Mobutu for that? If Mobutu already conceded in 2016.

"Yangu kumi, Ndugu yangu William kimi" - at least this was real... until 2 minutes after Jubilee 2 begin :D

Your entire life is based on a fickle theory that Uhuru intends to go for executive PM with Raila as Ceremonial PORK. That scenario I find laughable. My theory is Uhuru will skim the cream for 5ys uninterrupted - and after that will leave Ruto to maul you. And you won't have any exit strategy. You best option would be to attempt to TOSHA somebody else.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:17:48 PM
He is the KODAK for unwashed politicians so they don't mess the statehouse lawn- otherwise which advisory has he given - even as AU Envoy of Infrastructure - that Kenya asked and pays for it.

If they respected Raila - they would at least use him as AU infrastructure - and have some roads or railways or name it - advisory for him in kenya as part of AU thing.

But obviously railways, roads, etc is BIG MONEY and Raila is not getting into it. Uhuru has to decide who get xyz.

Raila is CS for State House Advisory Services or President's Personal CS without portfolio. 
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:21:48 PM
You don't know power even if it hits you. Power is the ability to make an executive decision - ability to pick your phone and shout orders - and they get executed - no question asked - or someone is going home. In kenya as a corruption hub - it goes with making money for yourself and your friends.

If Raila was powerful - he would be completing his stall house in Riat hills for starters.

Uhuru is wielding raw power - and elevating Raila at the same time - while hanging Mobutu. They are not mutually exclusive. The Executive Order No 1 2020 is barely dry - look it up for reality. Why imagine things? Uhuru discerns a "constitutional moment" few days ago. There is no order, move or whiff to undermine Raila- instead merely backing Mobutu get Waititu, Kihika, Kindiki and shebang hanged. Dirty Diana Waiguru wil escape the noose for being anti-Mobutu, pro-Raila. Mdvd and Rectangular are in the sauce - the main article of impeachment is backing Mobutu 8)

See? - we don't know the future 100% but there are clear intentions and favorites.


Ever heard of red herring or you're so busy with "trojan horse" that is visible from 10000 miles. Uhuru knows Raila would like such a gameplan. Uhuru of course will never call Raila  HIS EXcellency :). and become his mtu wa mkono.

Anyway, Sonko even offered Uhuru 3rd term - but he is gone now :) He didn't realize Uhuru was more interested about NOW :) :) :)

I am not convinced Uhuru is going for anything except enjoy power (steal alone) and then leave your guys on your own devices.

FOCUS ON UHURU NOW - and his unchallenged power grab - power is ability to make any decision unchallenged - and he will use it to further Kenyatta empire.

It not a theory - Murathe, Atwoli and kitchen cabinet float it now and then. Uhuru himself has "no problem" should Kenyans want him to continue as PM. These was in the headlines last 2 years. Haji and some wazee are working via Zoom on the details.

Now of course Uhuru is playing Raila is pure hope. Ohoo Uhuru want to skim the creme alone - so so lame - why hang Mobutu for that? If Mobutu already conceded in 2016.

"Yangu kumi, Ndugu yangu William kimi" - at least this was real... until 2 minutes after Jubilee 2 begin :D

Your entire life is based on a fickle theory that Uhuru intends to go for executive PM with Raila as Ceremonial PORK. That scenario I find laughable. My theory is Uhuru will skim the cream for 5ys uninterrupted - and after that will leave Ruto to maul you. And you won't have any exit strategy. You best option would be to attempt to TOSHA somebody else.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 09:26:29 PM
Mobutu reports to Kinyua - while Nzioka Waita can fire Farouk with a phone call. They might soon temporarily move Mobutu to Harambee OP basement - to "renovate" the Annex - which will continue unfinished until 2022. Farouk and Itumbi already work from home - as SGT Kenei work from peponi. These blokes probably no longer have security clearance to enter GoK premises. Even that Kikuyu Mobutu spokesman - Munyori Buku? - was long replaced by Kositany- after salary was frozen.

Raila is CS for State House Advisory Services or President's Personal CS without portfolio. 


The Odingas have wielded dynasty over Luo and big swathes of Luhya, Mijikenda, Matusa for years. Only time will tell how long Ruto last - he is mere 7 years in power proper. In Jubilee 2 he is more like a CAS with zero power. Raila of course has been PM with part cabinet 5 years and is now de facto DPORK as Ruto wallow in the cold.


Jaramogi lasted 3yrs as VP - 2yrs - and maybe 1yr as powerful VP. Ruto is clocking 10yrs like Moi as VP - although everyone admit he was co-president in the first term. Politics require certain stealth, cunningness, strategic, and tactics that the Odinga family lacks.

Look at Raila being lied to for I forget how many times - and he still not any closer to power.

At least Jaramogi RIP made it up to VP. How far did your big brain grandfather go? Are you mad bro. Your king Mobutu is getting dog beating and he cannot fight back. Your warrior nonsense has been reduced to worrier by a 'drunkard who cannot find his bum' (your words not mine). Focus. Slowly tangatanga has been reduced to Takataka.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 09:36:19 PM
Yes. Politicians can be anything people want them to be UNTIL it cannot be faked anymore. Uhuru cannot FAKE ANYMORE. He has to bite the bullet and change Katiba OR tell Baba game's up!

1. He could not have crashed Ruto because how would he have done it? 2013 he needed him to form that jubilee coalition with RV/Mt. Kenya as the base. Campaigns for 2nd term he needed Ruto and Jubilee as a winning formula to secure another term in office. Then AFTER THAT, is when this drama of BBI and "bringing people together" started. Remember Handshake was in March 2018! Repeat elections were in October 2017, then NASA petition then inauguration. What does that tells you? In retrospect, it looks BBI AND HANSHAKE were cobbled together way before. Uhuru or whoever was behind it was WAITING FOR 2ND TERM TO COMMENCE. Those are undeniable facts.

2. In the current Kenyan political scene, you cannot just CRASH someone like Ruto. His office is constitutionally protected. If it wasn't Uhuru would have sacked him like the way Moi used to sack his VPs/Ministers: over 1PM KBC news broadcast. What he is doing is CRASHING Ruto and this is chiefly because Ruto IS NOW A THREAT; A POLITICAL THREAT. And Ruto won't be a political threat if Mabangi justs want to steal and go home!

Most of original Jubilee/Uhuru supporters don't understand what he is doing and what he wants AND WHERE HE IS HEADING! And that's why he has been unable to convince people, But facts are clear. Very clear.


If Uhuru wanted to crash Ruto he would have done it a long time ago. If Uhuru wanted to do BBI - he would have done it long time ago.

Museveni removed 70yr term limit about 10yrs before he was to get to 70yrs.

Uhuru is a politician - and every good politician has two faces. The best have even 7 heads like a hydra-headed serpent - telling you x, telling someone else something else....

Anyway, we will see but I am not convinced that someone who has become Executive PORK in Africa can go on and become Prime Minister.

So Uhuru supports Raila - and then wait for Raila to appoint him or Mps to elect him - the same Mps he has treated with contempt.

When it come to politics - don't follow the drama - use logic and rationale.

Politics is drama - but beyond it's - it power and money. Follow the power and money - if Uhuru is friendly to Raila - let him give him Finance or Interior ministry like he did to Ruto previously.

Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 09:42:37 PM
Only newspapers get delivered to DP's Office. This battle started a while back for those who have been aware. Uhuru stopped talking to his DP a while before it became public. Most duties of DP office under earlier Executive Order had been withdrawn. The new EO just made it legal and well known. This we are well aware but bado tuko na Ruto if the other choice ni Raila/Uhuru.

Having said that, WHY ARE YOU CONDONING obvious abuse of power? Whether you like Ruto or not, you should not condone such blatant high handedness... 



Mobutu reports to Kinyua - while Nzioka Waita can fire Farouk with a phone call. They might soon temporarily move Mobutu to Harambee OP basement - to "renovate" the Annex - which will continue unfinished until 2022. Farouk and Itumbi already work from home - as SGT Kenei work from peponi. These blokes probably no longer have security clearance to enter GoK premises. Even that Kikuyu Mobutu spokesman - Munyori Buku? - was long replaced by Kositany- after salary was frozen.


Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:43:50 PM
There is a war because Uhuru power grab - both with Ruto and with most of Jubilee. For Uhuru to become who he is - has has reduced everyone else to nothing. And he has found a stupid friend in Raila. Raila has been lied to about BBI - where Uhuru will become his mtu wa Mkono - and he has become Uhuru chief enabler and cheerleader.

Does Uhuru has a plan beyond 2022. I doubt. What Uhuru wants is to grab as much as possible.

Ruto has realized this and has gone silent.

Obviously, for many in Jubilee who feel Uhuru should share the pie - it's very hard to swallow. They have mouth to feed.

And now everyone is basically outside gov or inside gov (if you're robina). Wanjohi can basically do anything he wants now...parliament was last bastion...but that has collapsed.

But thank goodness for COVID-19 - Wanjohi might have nothing to steal with economy gone to the dogs.


Yes. Politicians can be anything people want them to be UNTIL it cannot be faked anymore. Uhuru cannot FAKE ANYMORE. He has to bite the bullet and change Katiba OR tell Baba game's up!

1. He could not have crashed Ruto because how would he have done it? 2013 he needed him to form that jubilee coalition with RV/Mt. Kenya as the base. Campaigns for 2nd term he needed Ruto and Jubilee as a winning formula to secure another term in office. Then AFTER THAT, is when this drama of BBI and "bringing people together" started. Remember Handshake was in March 2018! Repeat elections were in October 2017, then NASA petition then inauguration. What does that tells you? In retrospect, it looks BBI AND HANSHAKE were cobbled together way before. Uhuru or whoever was behind it was WAITING FOR 2ND TERM TO COMMENCE. Those are undeniable facts.

2. In the current Kenyan political scene, you cannot just CRASH someone like Ruto. His office is constitutionally protected. If it wasn't Uhuru would have sacked him like the way Moi used to sack his VPs/Ministers: over 1PM KBC news broadcast. What he is doing is CRASHING Ruto and this is chiefly because Ruto IS NOW A THREAT; A POLITICAL THREAT. And Ruto won't be a political threat if Mabangi justs want to steal and go home!

Most of original Jubilee/Uhuru supporters don't understand what he is doing and what he wants AND WHERE HE IS HEADING! And that's why he has been unable to convince people, But facts are clear. Very clear.


If Uhuru wanted to crash Ruto he would have done it a long time ago. If Uhuru wanted to do BBI - he would have done it long time ago.

Museveni removed 70yr term limit about 10yrs before he was to get to 70yrs.

Uhuru is a politician - and every good politician has two faces. The best have even 7 heads like a hydra-headed serpent - telling you x, telling someone else something else....

Anyway, we will see but I am not convinced that someone who has become Executive PORK in Africa can go on and become Prime Minister.

So Uhuru supports Raila - and then wait for Raila to appoint him or Mps to elect him - the same Mps he has treated with contempt.

When it come to politics - don't follow the drama - use logic and rationale.

Politics is drama - but beyond it's - it power and money. Follow the power and money - if Uhuru is friendly to Raila - let him give him Finance or Interior ministry like he did to Ruto previously.

Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:48:21 PM
There is war. But the war I postulating is for now. Harambee's House has basically reduced every ministry to newspaper reading. The governors are basically DCs. If Uhuru calls them they are probably going to salute or Kinoti will drag them to court - and they get suspended pronto. Parliament is now down under. Judiciary was long killed.

Uhuru is in cloud Nine...but he is not desperate to come back to the pigsty of politics..he will retire in a high.

Only newspapers get delivered to DP's Office. This battle started a while back for those who have been aware. Uhuru stopped talking to his DP a while before it became public. Most duties of DP office under earlier Executive Order had been withdrawn. The new EO just made it legal and well known. This we are well aware but bado tuko na Ruto if the other choice ni Raila/Uhuru.

Having said that, WHY ARE YOU CONDONING obvious abuse of power? Whether you like Ruto or not, you should not condone such blatant high handedness... 



Mobutu reports to Kinyua - while Nzioka Waita can fire Farouk with a phone call. They might soon temporarily move Mobutu to Harambee OP basement - to "renovate" the Annex - which will continue unfinished until 2022. Farouk and Itumbi already work from home - as SGT Kenei work from peponi. These blokes probably no longer have security clearance to enter GoK premises. Even that Kikuyu Mobutu spokesman - Munyori Buku? - was long replaced by Kositany- after salary was frozen.


Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 09:53:20 PM
Don't take ADVISORY seriously.. :D :D :D Raila is advising his own version of changes! And actually its working. For example, Jubilee is now being run like ODM (respect the party leader!); Uhuru speech during Madaraka was written by Raila. Remember Uhuru in his speech saying that ONLY 2002 ELECTION DID NOT HAVE CONTROVERSY! That's what ODM/Raila has been saying that only 2002 elections were GENUINE. I think Uhuru now believes that he is "kifaranga ya computer..." UNBELIEVABLE! There are several other instances of obvious Raila influence on Mabangi thinking.
Uhuru is talking Raila's language. Allover. 

He is the KODAK for unwashed politicians so they don't mess the statehouse lawn- otherwise which advisory has he given - even as AU Envoy of Infrastructure - that Kenya asked and pays for it.

If they respected Raila - they would at least use him as AU infrastructure - and have some roads or railways or name it - advisory for him in kenya as part of AU thing.

But obviously railways, roads, etc is BIG MONEY and Raila is not getting into it. Uhuru has to decide who get xyz.

Raila is CS for State House Advisory Services or President's Personal CS without portfolio. 
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2020, 09:58:36 PM
If all it takes to enjoy unbridled power is to call Raila my brother and to pay homage to his ideals - do you think Wanjohi really cares. Wanjohi will keep Raila very close until very late. Then he will go MIA.

It's not Wanjohi faulty that he has NASA and Jubilee - that is ABSOLUTE POWER - because both sides are trying to curry favour.

Raila want to be toshad. Ruto want to be toshad. Kalonzo the same. MaDVD.

So Wanjohi is in CLOUD 9.
 
Don't take ADVISORY seriously.. :D :D :D Raila is advising his own version of changes! And actually its working. For example, Jubilee is now being run like ODM (respect the party leader!); Uhuru speech during Madaraka was written by Raila. Remember Uhuru in his speech saying that ONLY 2002 ELECTION DID NOT HAVE CONTROVERSY! That's what ODM/Raila has been saying that only 2002 elections were GENUINE. I think Uhuru now believes that he is "kifaranga ya computer..." UNBELIEVABLE! There are several other instances of obvious Raila influence on Mabangi thinking.
Uhuru is talking Raila's language. Allover. 

He is the KODAK for unwashed politicians so they don't mess the statehouse lawn- otherwise which advisory has he given - even as AU Envoy of Infrastructure - that Kenya asked and pays for it.

If they respected Raila - they would at least use him as AU infrastructure - and have some roads or railways or name it - advisory for him in kenya as part of AU thing.

But obviously railways, roads, etc is BIG MONEY and Raila is not getting into it. Uhuru has to decide who get xyz.

Raila is CS for State House Advisory Services or President's Personal CS without portfolio. 
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 10:06:50 PM
I don't fully discount your take. Let see GNU - if Raila get extra-legal chair of economic recovery - overseeing Treasury, Infra, etc. But Raila clocking 80 cares more about 2022 - so it more plausible to settle for ceremonial than gang up with Mobutu then PEV2. He is ready for any "PORK" with portraits and chariots. Few CS job or such should not blind him. That's the paradox in your argument - that Raila should be strategic by being shortsighted and demanding stuff from Uhuru  8) :o It self- serving and transparent.

If Uhuru wanted to crash Ruto he would have done it a long time ago. If Uhuru wanted to do BBI - he would have done it long time ago.

Museveni removed 70yr term limit about 10yrs before he was to get to 70yrs.

Uhuru is a politician - and every good politician has two faces. The best have even 7 heads like a hydra-headed serpent - telling you x, telling someone else something else....

Anyway, we will see but I am not convinced that someone who has become Executive PORK in Africa can go on and become Prime Minister.

So Uhuru supports Raila - and then wait for Raila to appoint him or Mps to elect him - the same Mps he has treated with contempt.

When it come to politics - don't follow the drama - use logic and rationale.

Politics is drama - but beyond it's - it power and money. Follow the power and money - if Uhuru is friendly to Raila - let him give him Finance or Interior ministry like he did to Ruto previously.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 10:08:49 PM
You seriously think Uhuru has grabbed so much power for fun/to steal as much as possible? Maybe you are right because am thinking Uhuru is simply mentally unstable. You cannot bastardize a country and its institutions just for fun. And I tell you his dictatorial tendencies/measures have gone mpaka to those you would consider "village troublemakers.."  You have heard about bloggers; and others who aren't that well known facing it rough because of discussing politics... This ain't about stealing ONLY.


There is war. But the war I postulating is for now. Harambee's House has basically reduced every ministry to newspaper reading. The governors are basically DCs. If Uhuru calls them they are probably going to salute or Kinoti will drag them to court - and they get suspended pronto. Parliament is now down under. Judiciary was long killed.

Uhuru is in cloud Nine...but he is not desperate to come back to the pigsty of politics..he will retire in a high.


Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 10:17:38 PM
 8) 8) 8) some rare objectivity

Yes. Politicians can be anything people want them to be UNTIL it cannot be faked anymore. Uhuru cannot FAKE ANYMORE. He has to bite the bullet and change Katiba OR tell Baba game's up!

1. He could not have crashed Ruto because how would he have done it? 2013 he needed him to form that jubilee coalition with RV/Mt. Kenya as the base. Campaigns for 2nd term he needed Ruto and Jubilee as a winning formula to secure another term in office. Then AFTER THAT, is when this drama of BBI and "bringing people together" started. Remember Handshake was in March 2018! Repeat elections were in October 2017, then NASA petition then inauguration. What does that tells you? In retrospect, it looks BBI AND HANSHAKE were cobbled together way before. Uhuru or whoever was behind it was WAITING FOR 2ND TERM TO COMMENCE. Those are undeniable facts.

2. In the current Kenyan political scene, you cannot just CRASH someone like Ruto. His office is constitutionally protected. If it wasn't Uhuru would have sacked him like the way Moi used to sack his VPs/Ministers: over 1PM KBC news broadcast. What he is doing is CRASHING Ruto and this is chiefly because Ruto IS NOW A THREAT; A POLITICAL THREAT. And Ruto won't be a political threat if Mabangi justs want to steal and go home!

Most of original Jubilee/Uhuru supporters don't understand what he is doing and what he wants AND WHERE HE IS HEADING! And that's why he has been unable to convince people, But facts are clear. Very clear.


If Uhuru wanted to crash Ruto he would have done it a long time ago. If Uhuru wanted to do BBI - he would have done it long time ago.

Museveni removed 70yr term limit about 10yrs before he was to get to 70yrs.

Uhuru is a politician - and every good politician has two faces. The best have even 7 heads like a hydra-headed serpent - telling you x, telling someone else something else....

Anyway, we will see but I am not convinced that someone who has become Executive PORK in Africa can go on and become Prime Minister.

So Uhuru supports Raila - and then wait for Raila to appoint him or Mps to elect him - the same Mps he has treated with contempt.

When it come to politics - don't follow the drama - use logic and rationale.

Politics is drama - but beyond it's - it power and money. Follow the power and money - if Uhuru is friendly to Raila - let him give him Finance or Interior ministry like he did to Ruto previously.

Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 10:23:38 PM
I know FOR A FACT. 100% SURE. That MaDvD was instrumental in toppling formation of GNU. He was offered CS Treasury. He declined. He also started on record that Raila/Kalonzo were FREE to join GNU but THEY SHOULD GIVE UP MINORITY LEADERSHIP IN SENATE AND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. And then for NASA has to be dissolved. He messed all that gameplan for that day for insisting on constitutional issues be addressed.  Weta was backing him.
And I now believe it's why they are facing party coups. MaDvD is supposed to be overthrown by June 15 if h doesn't call some meetings. He may survive.

So for GNU; IT IS COMING.

And TODAY somebody reminded that DP will be out by August...

I don't fully discount your take. Let see GNU - if Raila get extra-legal chair of economic recovery - overseeing Treasury, Infra, etc. But Raila clocking 80 cares more about 2022 - so it more plausible to settle for ceremonial than gang up with Mobutu then PEV2. He is ready for any "PORK" with portraits and chariots. Few CS job or such should not blind him. That's the paradox in your argument - that Raila should be strategic by being shortsighted and demanding stuff from Uhuru  8) :o It self- serving and transparent.

If Uhuru wanted to crash Ruto he would have done it a long time ago. If Uhuru wanted to do BBI - he would have done it long time ago.

Museveni removed 70yr term limit about 10yrs before he was to get to 70yrs.

Uhuru is a politician - and every good politician has two faces. The best have even 7 heads like a hydra-headed serpent - telling you x, telling someone else something else....

Anyway, we will see but I am not convinced that someone who has become Executive PORK in Africa can go on and become Prime Minister.

So Uhuru supports Raila - and then wait for Raila to appoint him or Mps to elect him - the same Mps he has treated with contempt.

When it come to politics - don't follow the drama - use logic and rationale.

Politics is drama - but beyond it's - it power and money. Follow the power and money - if Uhuru is friendly to Raila - let him give him Finance or Interior ministry like he did to Ruto previously.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 10:25:43 PM
I prefer this new Uhuru than the Kibaki-ish sissy that had Kuria and Sudi running the country. The bonus is Mobutu being hanged at the town square - and Raila's fresh chance.

Only newspapers get delivered to DP's Office. This battle started a while back for those who have been aware. Uhuru stopped talking to his DP a while before it became public. Most duties of DP office under earlier Executive Order had been withdrawn. The new EO just made it legal and well known. This we are well aware but bado tuko na Ruto if the other choice ni Raila/Uhuru.

Having said that, WHY ARE YOU CONDONING obvious abuse of power? Whether you like Ruto or not, you should not condone such blatant high handedness... 
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 10:31:18 PM
Not rare. Just you now agree with my observations. But i assure you, I try to rely on information and facts available at any given time... Even if i politically support whoever

8) 8) 8) some rare objectivity

Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 10:36:26 PM
Who?

I know FOR A FACT. 100% SURE. That MaDvD was instrumental in toppling formation of GNU. He was offered CS Treasury. He declined. He also started on record that Raila/Kalonzo were FREE to join GNU but THEY SHOULD GIVE UP MINORITY LEADERSHIP IN SENATE AND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. And then for NASA has to be dissolved. He messed all that gameplan for that day for insisting on constitutional issues be addressed.  Weta was backing him.
And I now believe it's why they are facing party coups. MaDvD is supposed to be overthrown by June 15 if h doesn't call some meetings. He may survive.

So for GNU; IT IS COMING.

And TODAY somebody reminded that DP will be out by August...

I don't fully discount your take. Let see GNU - if Raila get extra-legal chair of economic recovery - overseeing Treasury, Infra, etc. But Raila clocking 80 cares more about 2022 - so it more plausible to settle for ceremonial than gang up with Mobutu then PEV2. He is ready for any "PORK" with portraits and chariots. Few CS job or such should not blind him. That's the paradox in your argument - that Raila should be strategic by being shortsighted and demanding stuff from Uhuru  8) :o It self- serving and transparent.

If Uhuru wanted to crash Ruto he would have done it a long time ago. If Uhuru wanted to do BBI - he would have done it long time ago.

Museveni removed 70yr term limit about 10yrs before he was to get to 70yrs.

Uhuru is a politician - and every good politician has two faces. The best have even 7 heads like a hydra-headed serpent - telling you x, telling someone else something else....

Anyway, we will see but I am not convinced that someone who has become Executive PORK in Africa can go on and become Prime Minister.

So Uhuru supports Raila - and then wait for Raila to appoint him or Mps to elect him - the same Mps he has treated with contempt.

When it come to politics - don't follow the drama - use logic and rationale.

Politics is drama - but beyond it's - it power and money. Follow the power and money - if Uhuru is friendly to Raila - let him give him Finance or Interior ministry like he did to Ruto previously.
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Nefertiti on June 10, 2020, 10:38:02 PM
Pundit any rebuttal for this swali nyeti?

You seriously think Uhuru has grabbed so much power for fun/to steal as much as possible? Maybe you are right because am thinking Uhuru is simply mentally unstable. You cannot bastardize a country and its institutions just for fun. And I tell you his dictatorial tendencies/measures have gone mpaka to those you would consider "village troublemakers.."  You have heard about bloggers; and others who aren't that well known facing it rough because of discussing politics... This ain't about stealing ONLY.


There is war. But the war I postulating is for now. Harambee's House has basically reduced every ministry to newspaper reading. The governors are basically DCs. If Uhuru calls them they are probably going to salute or Kinoti will drag them to court - and they get suspended pronto. Parliament is now down under. Judiciary was long killed.

Uhuru is in cloud Nine...but he is not desperate to come back to the pigsty of politics..he will retire in a high.


Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 10:41:20 PM
You shouldn't. Remember tomorrow it might you being hanged. People celebrated Waititu illegal and forceful eviction as deserving, then they moved to Sonko; then by then they had found a formula to castrate Governors and were all forced to toe the line; they are sheep waiting slaughter! Then they went to the Senate, National Assembly, Then Political parties, and on and on...

Be careful what you condone today for tomorrow you may be receiving it in triple measures!

I prefer this new Uhuru than the Kibaki-ish sissy that had Kuria and Sudi running the country. The bonus is Mobutu being hanged at the town square - and Raila's fresh chance.

Only newspapers get delivered to DP's Office. This battle started a while back for those who have been aware. Uhuru stopped talking to his DP a while before it became public. Most duties of DP office under earlier Executive Order had been withdrawn. The new EO just made it legal and well known. This we are well aware but bado tuko na Ruto if the other choice ni Raila/Uhuru.

Having said that, WHY ARE YOU CONDONING obvious abuse of power? Whether you like Ruto or not, you should not condone such blatant high handedness... 
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 10, 2020, 10:59:04 PM
mmmmh...
Those who schemes (or pretend to!)... But it has been said severally that NASA/ ODM/Uhuru forms GNU, gets "measures" to get DP out by August (the rumour/innuendo was just released the corona) Raila is DP as we head for Referendum under GNU. Some PREFER GIDEON as DP so as to show RVs that the "fight is not with RV people " but with an individual "who's undermine the President work". When pointed out the constitutional impossibility of all that scheme, the answer is "By August it will be over.." Then Coronavirus came knocking and the issue is no longer heard of and then....

Who?

Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: RV Pundit on June 11, 2020, 06:58:36 AM
Robina, unlike wakili here, I have never been close to power or liked rumours, most of my punditry is based on logical application of publicly available information.Its illogical to expect Uhuru to become Raila PM in BBI.Let wait for BBI 2.0.I find it more plausible Pajero theory of GEMA playing both Raila and Ruto..and propping a GEMA stooge than this Raila is becoming pork nonsense.As for medium term I think Ruto gave wanjohi what he wanted and gnu is now waste of his power and money so it won't happen... Uhuru is not under any threat now from parliament as Ruto told his troops to let Wanjohi have his way.Even BBI if Ruto accept it..will die that way because it's a redherring...the real deal is Wanjohi stashing his retirement account before exiting the scene..while keeping everyone distracted by BBI.I don't think he is mad or drunk..he is acting up.If you follow who is making money now you may discover it Kenyatta...but for now Kenyatta have all of you distracted
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Garliv on June 11, 2020, 08:24:26 PM
I hear. I also was skeptical that Uhuru the lazy drunkard want to perpetuate himself in power. But now am double sure about it. He really does want it.
Second, There is definitely no option of a "GEMA Stooge" to be propped up. Definitely not. And everyone knows it cannot work. Not at this time. It is very easy to identify frontline candidates for President of Kenya. Almost impossible that the next president will not be Ruto, Raila, Kalonzo, MaDvD. Outliers are like some Governors who may be promoted as compromise candidates. Gema has no candidate and don't plan to field any.
Actually, before Uhuru went mad and started being dictatorial and paranoid and stalled political evolution in Mt. Kenya, a POINT WAS REACHING where campaign to make Ruto a Gema Candidate were to commence. A Gema Candidate rather than just "supporting Ruto for President.." Logic is this: Since Mt. Kenya has no candidate of their own, the best thing is to ADOPT RUTO as their candidate. Because with Gema support Ruto would get the Presidency. He would be beholden to Gema for "delivering" Presidency and therefore Mt. Kenya interests would be addressed EVEN BETTER THAN WHEN A GEMA IS ON THAT SEAT. Of course there is always a risk that once someone is in power they can always change; but Ruto is considered the best option.

Uhuru has his interests, ambitions and greediness. His advisers are fueling those. And with Raila beside them , they now determine IT IS ALL POSSIBLE. 


Robina, unlike wakili here, I have never been close to power or liked rumours, most of my punditry is based on logical application of publicly available information.Its illogical to expect Uhuru to become Raila PM in BBI.Let wait for BBI 2.0.I find it more plausible Pajero theory of GEMA playing both Raila and Ruto..and propping a GEMA stooge than this Raila is becoming pork nonsense.As for medium term I think Ruto gave wanjohi what he wanted and gnu is now waste of his power and money so it won't happen... Uhuru is not under any threat now from parliament as Ruto told his troops to let Wanjohi have his way.Even BBI if Ruto accept it..will die that way because it's a redherring...the real deal is Wanjohi stashing his retirement account before exiting the scene..while keeping everyone distracted by BBI.I don't think he is mad or drunk..he is acting up.If you follow who is making money now you may discover it Kenyatta...but for now Kenyatta have all of you distracted
Title: Re: ODM - don't go fast to cloud nine - Uhuru could say Ruto tosha
Post by: Pajero on June 12, 2020, 12:08:44 PM
You are lying to yourself,GEMA WILL ALWAYS HAVE A CANDIDATE COME RAIN COME SUNSHINE.There is strenght in numbers my friend.Just take a look at 2017 register.They will vote even for a dog as long as it is branded theirs.