of the 3,300 report there is another 80% out there who have mild or symptoms. They are vectors. I got a mild case of Corona. Thanks god I realized it and self isolated for days. i was. I am going to to take Antibody test and if I it shows I was infected and recovered I may volunteer to work in Corona sites in Philly area
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/least-75-000-coronavirus-infections-041207265.html
Yeah, I got medical supplies contract but the Defense guys took away from Me. I was going to make 2K a day in profit. THose fuckers should rot in military hell. I hope taaliban castrates them
The people dying right now are a mess. anyone with BMI of over 40 is just fucking dying. there is no Big Tube and Respirator to help them. I will get a Caterpillar crane to load them obese bodies. My crackhead Mechanic will be the operator. I will need hazamat certification and suit to do that kind of shit
a 330 pound body usually makes the crematorium so greasy it just flood the place with fat sludge
AMericans are unhealthy motherfuckers. they will die like flies coz some of these fuckers are so unhealthy they have to be fucked with AI instruments to procreate
I am not so scared of getting out - this shiet is getting real. I am also slightly obese. I weight nearly 90kgs - and I am like 5'11.Yeah, I got medical supplies contract but the Defense guys took away from Me. I was going to make 2K a day in profit. THose fuckers should rot in military hell. I hope taaliban castrates them
The people dying right now are a mess. anyone with BMI of over 40 is just fucking dying. there is no Big Tube and Respirator to help them. I will get a Caterpillar crane to load them obese bodies. My crackhead Mechanic will be the operator. I will need hazamat certification and suit to do that kind of shit
a 330 pound body usually makes the crematorium so greasy it just flood the place with fat sludge
AMericans are unhealthy motherfuckers. they will die like flies coz some of these fuckers are so unhealthy they have to be fucked with AI instruments to procreate
I bet you motherfucker have run out of tithe coins and you are looking for normalcy to return so that you can continue fleecing widows. How many widows do you Poink Pastor Vooke?
You lack understanding of the how infectious and how rapidly this disease can spread if unchecked. India has 3,200 cases as of yesterday. I deal with guys from Mumbai everyday and they told me that it started with several cases and it just took off. The govt has support of 90 percent of 1.4 billion. The 10 percent not observing the curfew are going to cause untold suffering.
India has regions that experience winter and so it is not just Mumbai that they have to worry about
BMI doesn't calibrate well for Africans. The miro has heavier bone density. I am always obese at 220 lbs, yet I clearly am not, even according my MD.
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African govt should take it even more seriously given that they do not have enough resources to treat masses of people.
it seems like you have no idea what we have here. They thought that warm weather will slow it until I saw what is happening in Ecuador. A whole clan is wiped out in two to three weeks and keeps spreading. Nobody is spared, including kids - though not as many
For Coronavirus deaths, that is something which even in US itself is still unknown. In some cases deaths due to pneumonia have dropped by 40% as claim of coronavirus deaths rise.
I personally know of a cancer patient from Mombasa who could not be treated at KNH as they are WAITING FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS. And another one had surgery which had been scheduled months earlier at Aga Khan but now can't get treated as WAIT FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS is priority.
Even in the US and other places, governments are locking down and hoarding medical supplies in READINESS FOR CORONAVIRUS DEATHS/ICU/HOSPITALIZATION.
No one bothers checking official statistics on Italy, Spain, Germans deaths during flu/winter season and then compare what's happening. It's as if people were living forever until coronavirus arrived. And everyone is an expert that Italians are dying because of corornavirus therefore we stay home as we ait for Bill Gates to come up with a vaccine.
Nothing is making sense about this coronavirus.
The interesting part is - after campus - my weight shot from 65 to 85 - dramtically - I only remember 72kgs at some point- and I have hanged around 85 kgs for like 15yrs now - I have gone as low as 83 and as high as 89. I don't exercise and I spend a lot of time on my couch with my computer. Anyway, I use to think pre-2019 that we won the health lottery coz nobody in our extended family had health issues..until last year- with twin cancer tragedy. No I am not longer sure. Now I know hospitals - something pre-2019 I had no idea - never had even a sick cousin or something like that.
That remind me of meeting trv in Nairobi - the guy was like 55 - fucking so healthy - I never met such a healthy - but he is former athlete and probably doesn't gain weight. My paternal are like that..weightless....but my maternal are like Luos...they are giants..height and weight.BMI doesn't calibrate well for Africans. The miro has heavier bone density. I am always obese at 220 lbs, yet I clearly am not, even according my MD.
For Coronavirus deaths, that is something which even in US itself is still unknown. In some cases deaths due to pneumonia have dropped by 40% as claim of coronavirus deaths rise.
I personally know of a cancer patient from Mombasa who could not be treated at KNH as they are WAITING FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS. And another one had surgery which had been scheduled months earlier at Aga Khan but now can't get treated as WAIT FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS is priority.
Even in the US and other places, governments are locking down and hoarding medical supplies in READINESS FOR CORONAVIRUS DEATHS/ICU/HOSPITALIZATION.
No one bothers checking official statistics on Italy, Spain, Germans deaths during flu/winter season and then compare what's happening. It's as if people were living forever until coronavirus arrived. And everyone is an expert that Italians are dying because of corornavirus therefore we stay home as we ait for Bill Gates to come up with a vaccine.
Nothing is making sense about this coronavirus.
For Coronavirus deaths, that is something which even in US itself is still unknown. In some cases deaths due to pneumonia have dropped by 40% as claim of coronavirus deaths rise.
I personally know of a cancer patient from Mombasa who could not be treated at KNH as they are WAITING FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS. And another one had surgery which had been scheduled months earlier at Aga Khan but now can't get treated as WAIT FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS is priority.
Even in the US and other places, governments are locking down and hoarding medical supplies in READINESS FOR CORONAVIRUS DEATHS/ICU/HOSPITALIZATION.
No one bothers checking official statistics on Italy, Spain, Germans deaths during flu/winter season and then compare what's happening. It's as if people were living forever until coronavirus arrived. And everyone is an expert that Italians are dying because of corornavirus therefore we stay home as we ait for Bill Gates to come up with a vaccine.
Nothing is making sense about this coronavirus.
I am with you on this one. And you know how this will send plato scampering back onto his high horse(or is it a pony :D )? I don't understand what these numbers are. Some people are okay with that. I am not.
For Coronavirus deaths, that is something which even in US itself is still unknown. In some cases deaths due to pneumonia have dropped by 40% as claim of coronavirus deaths rise.
I personally know of a cancer patient from Mombasa who could not be treated at KNH as they are WAITING FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS. And another one had surgery which had been scheduled months earlier at Aga Khan but now can't get treated as WAIT FOR CORONAVIRUS PATIENTS is priority.
Even in the US and other places, governments are locking down and hoarding medical supplies in READINESS FOR CORONAVIRUS DEATHS/ICU/HOSPITALIZATION.
No one bothers checking official statistics on Italy, Spain, Germans deaths during flu/winter season and then compare what's happening. It's as if people were living forever until coronavirus arrived. And everyone is an expert that Italians are dying because of corornavirus therefore we stay home as we ait for Bill Gates to come up with a vaccine.
Nothing is making sense about this coronavirus.
I am with you on this one. And you know how this will send plato scampering back onto his high horse(or is it a pony :D )? I don't understand what these numbers are. Some people are okay with that. I am not.
What part of numbers of dead bodies don't you understand? You want to touch a dead body to understand the numbers ..kweli ..no wonder you and Mbeki wasted a lot of them in Aids denial rabbit hole. At least you get today and in 14 days we see your fat butt getting roasted in chitown
The reason they cancel cancer treatments is because they dont want to expose the unknowns to an immuno compromised person.
Getting back to your numbers. The numbers being reported are the ones that have had contact with medical personnel. There are many more who get a mild form and go on with their life.
No there does not seem to be a conspiracy unless you have evidence. Maybe in China.
Also, this disease does not care about genes, or how healthy you are. It latches and attacks ACE inhibitors thus spreading very quickly to the lungs and overwhelms the defenses. Patient dies with in 12hrs.
That includes 1,566 newly-reported cases of coronavirus in Illinois and the regions surrounding greater Chicago, and 37 new fatalities.
Those numbers include the largest single-day increase in most every county in the immediate Chicago area, including the city of Chicago; Cook, DuPage, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall, Will and Winnebago Counties in Illinois; Rock County in Wisconsin; and Lake and St. Joseph Counties in Indiana.
The reason they cancel cancer treatments is because they dont want to expose the unknowns to an immuno compromised person.
Getting back to your numbers. The numbers being reported are the ones that have had contact with medical personnel. There are many more who get a mild form and go on with their life.
No there does not seem to be a conspiracy unless you have evidence. Maybe in China.
Also, this disease does not care about genes, or how healthy you are. It latches and attacks ACE inhibitors thus spreading very quickly to the lungs and overwhelms the defenses. Patient dies with in 12hrs.
Understandable. I have no problem with healthcare professionals following emergency protocols. It's numbers and what they mean.
For example in this story Largest 1-Day Increase in Covid-19 in Chicago Area https://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/largest-1-day-increase-yet-in-coronavirus-cases-in-chicago-area/2250540/ (https://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/largest-1-day-increase-yet-in-coronavirus-cases-in-chicago-area/2250540/)QuoteThat includes 1,566 newly-reported cases of coronavirus in Illinois and the regions surrounding greater Chicago, and 37 new fatalities.
When I read this I could understand it as
a) the number of people who got infected on Saturday is 1,566. I think unlikely, because am not aware of tests being able to determine this. But that many readers would it interpret it that way wouldn't surprise me.
b) the number of people who tested positive on Saturday but could have been infected on a different day is 1,566.
The fatalities could be those whose death was caused by covid-19. Or those who died with covid-19 of another cause. It's left to our imagination.
Then you have this portion hereQuoteThose numbers include the largest single-day increase in most every county in the immediate Chicago area, including the city of Chicago; Cook, DuPage, Kane, Kankakee, Kendall, Will and Winnebago Counties in Illinois; Rock County in Wisconsin; and Lake and St. Joseph Counties in Indiana.
Again, it is not clear what this increase means. It could mean
a) the largest single day increase mediated by an increase in tests, happened on Saturday.
b) the largest single day because of spread of the virus, happened on Saturday.
c) the largest single day spread from a combination of a) and b).
There is no mention of how many tests in total were carried out on Saturday. To me, this seems inadequate depending on what you want to know. For some it's okay to not know. Others - like me - want to know more. And it's be repeated over for many states, jurisdictions and different media.
You don't need to be a conspiracist to not understand the numbers being passed around.
Georgesoros,
No, I am not ignorant of what I am expected to do. It’s the meaning of the numbers I am ignorant of.
It goes without saying those test results are from people who have come into contact with healthcare folks.
Georgesoros,
No, I am not ignorant of what I am expected to do. It’s the meaning of the numbers I am ignorant of.
It goes without saying those test results are from people who have come into contact with healthcare folks.
You are such a piece of work. To get on the numbers board. You have to be tested and confirmed. To be tested you must exhibit signs that CDC has approved for doctors to request covid19 testing ..300k in USA those that got tested confirmed and either ended on hospital or had a mild case and are in self isolation at home
Georgesoros,
No, I am not ignorant of what I am expected to do. It’s the meaning of the numbers I am ignorant of.
It goes without saying those test results are from people who have come into contact with healthcare folks.
You are such a piece of work. To get on the numbers board. You have to be tested and confirmed. To be tested you must exhibit signs that CDC has approved for doctors to request covid19 testing ..300k in USA those that got tested confirmed and either ended on hospital or had a mild case and are in self isolation at home
You are not making any sense. But what is new? Are you okay?
Here is some Sunny Bobo to sooth you.
People
African govt should take it even more seriously given that they do not have enough resources to treat masses of people.
it seems like you have no idea what we have here. They thought that warm weather will slow it until I saw what is happening in Ecuador. A whole clan is wiped out in two to three weeks and keeps spreading. Nobody is spared, including kids - though not as many
I went to John Hopkins Covid-19 site and checked out the worst hit EU countries of Germany,Italy and Spain.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
They hit four digits and from that time their curves took off.
South Africa was at 1300 last Sunday and I was expecting this week, ending today, April 5, 2020 to read of thousands of new cases. South Africa added a mere 300 or less.
Spain hit 1,200 and in a week they registered 9,900.
There are millions who have the virus but dont know it.
The daily numbers they are talking are those people who came in contact with healthcare professionals.
Most people will never be tested, and may begin spread it later when the weather is conducive to viral growth eg travel to Australia in July.
So, for now just assume that everyone is infected unless otherwise.
The world was used to USA providing leadership for such diseases, until Trump showed up. The person in charge of coordinating such emergency in China was removed by Trump. So, there was nobody on site to work with the Chinese and give feedback to USA. Govt to Govt cooperation is DEAD. Then, the genius took a while to even acknowledge that there was looming disaster, so govt agencies did nothing to prepare. They did not want to go against him knowing his big mouth and the right wing machinery. Finally, when the governor of New York decided to protect his state, that is when the moron took it seriously knowing there is a political risk. In public health, you dont wait till its at the door to start buying medications and equipment. Too late!!!
The reason they cancel cancer treatments is because they dont want to expose the unknowns to an immuno compromised person.
Getting back to your numbers. The numbers being reported are the ones that have had contact with medical personnel. There are many more who get a mild form and go on with their life.
No there does not seem to be a conspiracy unless you have evidence. Maybe in China.
Also, this disease does not care about genes, or how healthy you are. It latches and attacks ACE inhibitors thus spreading very quickly to the lungs and overwhelms the defenses. Patient dies with in 12hrs.
Am ready to bet that when all is said and down, coronavirus will have been found to be so much hype and sensationalism that science and logical reasoning went on holiday. By then millions of people will have had their economic and social life ruined. And this NEW coronavirus will be within the population just as the 'normal' coronas have been. And the death rate will not, i repeat, will not be substantially different from mean average of every country/state.
Trump joined the political wagon to be seen to be fighting coronavirus. It has become a cause, a way for one to belong.... Like 'promoting democracy..'The world was used to USA providing leadership for such diseases, until Trump showed up. The person in charge of coordinating such emergency in China was removed by Trump. So, there was nobody on site to work with the Chinese and give feedback to USA. Govt to Govt cooperation is DEAD. Then, the genius took a while to even acknowledge that there was looming disaster, so govt agencies did nothing to prepare. They did not want to go against him knowing his big mouth and the right wing machinery. Finally, when the governor of New York decided to protect his state, that is when the moron took it seriously knowing there is a political risk. In public health, you dont wait till its at the door to start buying medications and equipment. Too late!!!
THREAD: Might the death toll from covid-19 be higher than the official fatalities attributed to it so far? Data emerging from the worst-hit places in Europe suggest so. (1/9) pic.twitter.com/bGMebMckI7
— James Tozer (@J_CD_T) April 2, 2020
People
African govt should take it even more seriously given that they do not have enough resources to treat masses of people.
it seems like you have no idea what we have here. They thought that warm weather will slow it until I saw what is happening in Ecuador. A whole clan is wiped out in two to three weeks and keeps spreading. Nobody is spared, including kids - though not as many
Glad to see u're now on board. The reason I don't buy the 'ordinary flu' angle by Garliv et al is I did check and Italy's annual flu numbers are 8,000 deaths! In just about 6 weeks, the COVID deaths reported are double that. Moreover, they are running out of facilities for treating serious cases. There's no way this is the normal flu. Something is obviously newly awful in Italy and Spain. I doubt governments that keep those stats would take this long to notice something so obvious if this was just the normal number of flu deaths.
I'm hoping pastor is right, of course. I'd be delighted if African cases never ran up like that. That's my prayer. But until we know that for sure, our govts must work to ensure we don't have too many very sick people at once. There are no facilities to treat them. In Kenya, two of the mortalities are children, by the way. One is a child of 6 years and another a baby of 6 months.
@vooke, you're some kind of journalist: have you checked the morgue thing? Or relying on lack of reporting in normal news? I'd really like for your hunch to turn out correct, which is why I'm asking; If no one is reporting many deaths on the continent and the situation stays the same, it's fantastic news.
I went to John Hopkins Covid-19 site and checked out the worst hit EU countries of Germany,Italy and Spain.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
They hit four digits and from that time their curves took off.
South Africa was at 1300 last Sunday and I was expecting this week, ending today, April 5, 2020 to read of thousands of new cases. South Africa added a mere 300 or less.
Spain hit 1,200 and in a week they registered 9,900.
Another thing, vooke: How do you know the 'overeaction' isn't the reason our numbers are not exploding? Remember, most countries began to 'overeact' at about the same time, within a week; sparked off by Trump's banning travel to/from the EU. Only difference is Africans had not recorded a big number by then. South Korea has been recording similarly small increases for a while now; just from aggressive testing. It may very well be that those badly hit EU countries just reacted too late, once there were too many.
I'm intrigued by your idea that our people are not dying in any greater numbers than usual (Africa); I hope to confirm it. It'll put my mind at ease as I've been thinking we have hundreds of thousands of untested cases because we've been traveling to the U.S. and back throughout January, Feb, and early March.
?s=21There are now 1655 positive cases of #Covid19SA #CoronavirusInSA. This is an increase of 70 cases since the previous report. pic.twitter.com/WAnHqBttkY
— Zweli Mkhize (@DrZweliMkhize) April 5, 2020
?s=2144202 people have been tested, largely in private Laboratories and Just over 6000 performed in public health NHLS.
— Zweli Mkhize (@DrZweliMkhize) April 1, 2020
I bet you motherfucker have run out of tithe coins and you are looking for normalcy to return so that you can continue fleecing widows. How many widows do you Poink Pastor Vooke?
You lack understanding of the how infectious and how rapidly this disease can spread if unchecked. India has 3,200 cases as of yesterday. I deal with guys from Mumbai everyday and they told me that it started with several cases and it just took off. The govt has support of 90 percent of 1.4 billion. The 10 percent not observing the curfew are going to cause untold suffering.
India has regions that experience winter and so it is not just Mumbai that they have to worry about
British PM may not make it😮
But Vooke you are saying that the virus is not doing well in hot temperature zones, if that is true, are you forgetting that the cold season in kenya is just around the corner. So if good measures are taken now at least by the time the cold temp gets here hopefully things will be in control. I rather they do what they are doing than be a laughing stalk of the world later, you can not imagine how wazungus are scratching their heads about the low deaths in africa till some are suggesting vaccine trials to be carried in Africa
Interrogating the nyeuthi data by looking at the recovery rates and durations plus the inability to enforce social distancing in our slums and businesses, I would rather the governments overreact. If there are deaths being kanyagiwad as per twitter condolonces, then we are in a quite some shitstorm.
Negroes are still dropping like flies in the US
So it may not be melanin after all
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/african-americans-may-be-dying-covid-19-higher-rate-better-n1178011
Either you are really darn, don’t want to know, or or you make things up.
COVID can kill secondary to another morbidity eg heart attack, diabetes.
This to me is the most reliable, regularly updated and have interactive links for most countries.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Any data to do with this Coronavirus is suspect. Very suspect.
Even New York Times is now asking "where are those heart attacks that used to kill people before Coronavirus?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doctors-hospitals-emergency-care-heart-attack-stroke.html#click=https://t.co/HOX2Tc5PWt (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doctors-hospitals-emergency-care-heart-attack-stroke.html#click=https://t.co/HOX2Tc5PWt)
Hospitals are eerily quite ad they wait for Coronavirus victims! But of course in the US a new scam has also emerged where cases /deaths are fraudulently reported as being because of Covid-19 because Federal Government is dishing out funds plus it doesn't matter whether you are insured or not.
Some of the excess capacity is indeed by design. We canceled elective procedures, though many of those patients never needed hospitalization. We are now providing care at home through telemedicine, but those services are for stable outpatients, not for those who are acutely ill.
And then this with CDC directive. Quite unscientific way of registering deaths!
https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Could go on. And on...
Either you are really darn, don’t want to know, or or you make things up.
COVID can kill secondary to another morbidity eg heart attack, diabetes.
I have a theory or hypothesis that Africa is relatively safe from Covid-19 for whatever reasons.
I dropped the American negroes article as an obiter dicta.
Either you are really darn, don’t want to know, or or you make things up.
COVID can kill secondary to another morbidity eg heart attack, diabetes.
I have a theory or hypothesis that Africa is relatively safe from Covid-19 for whatever reasons.
I dropped the American negroes article as an obiter dicta.
?s=21As at today, the total number of confirmed #COVID19 cases is 1749. There is also another death, bringing the total to 13 deaths. It was a male who had stage 4 prostrate cancer at Parklands Hospital. We convey our condolences to the family of the deceased
— Zweli Mkhize (@DrZweliMkhize) April 7, 2020
?s=21As at today, the total number of confirmed #COVID19 cases is 1686. This is an increase of 31 from the previously reported cases. pic.twitter.com/W5HjCdMB3x
— Zweli Mkhize (@DrZweliMkhize) April 6, 2020
?s=21There are now 1655 positive cases of #Covid19SA #CoronavirusInSA. This is an increase of 70 cases since the previous report. pic.twitter.com/WAnHqBttkY
— Zweli Mkhize (@DrZweliMkhize) April 5, 2020
A suspected covid 19 patient being picked by @MOH_Kenya at the Sana Sana Estate, South B. #17mps #SingleLadiesChallenge #RealRuto #UnMaskingMosesKuria #lockdown pic.twitter.com/BeCHBFwVda
— Otieno 🇹🇿🇺🇬🇰🇪 (@HonBenard) April 8, 2020
In this tweet there is 0 social distancing. Zero. Masks notwithstanding.A suspected covid 19 patient being picked by @MOH_Kenya at the Sana Sana Estate, South B. #17mps #SingleLadiesChallenge #RealRuto #UnMaskingMosesKuria #lockdown pic.twitter.com/BeCHBFwVda
— Otieno 🇹🇿🇺🇬🇰🇪 (@HonBenard) April 8, 2020
I have seen others where lockdown is being enforced by askaris with crowds of people literally being squeezed together. Which makes the case for the thing not being a big doozy in the tropics more compelling.
Any data to do with this Coronavirus is suspect. Very suspect.Corona is the new climate change.
Even New York Times is now asking "where are those heart attacks that used to kill people before Coronavirus?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doctors-hospitals-emergency-care-heart-attack-stroke.html#click=https://t.co/HOX2Tc5PWt
Hospitals are eerily quite ad they wait for Coronavirus victims! But of course in the US a new scam has also emerged where cases /deaths are fraudulently reported as being because of Covid-19 because Federal Government is dishing out funds plus it doesn't matter whether you are insured or not.
And then this with CDC directive. Quite unscientific way of registering deaths!
https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Could go on. And on...
?s=21As at today the number of confirmed #COVID19 cases are 1845 pic.twitter.com/ZMenLDs8o2
— Zweli Mkhize (@DrZweliMkhize) April 8, 2020
Any data to do with this Coronavirus is suspect. Very suspect.
Even New York Times is now asking "where are those heart attacks that used to kill people before Coronavirus?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doctors-hospitals-emergency-care-heart-attack-stroke.html#click=https://t.co/HOX2Tc5PWt (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doctors-hospitals-emergency-care-heart-attack-stroke.html#click=https://t.co/HOX2Tc5PWt)
Hospitals are eerily quite ad they wait for Coronavirus victims! But of course in the US a new scam has also emerged where cases /deaths are fraudulently reported as being because of Covid-19 because Federal Government is dishing out funds plus it doesn't matter whether you are insured or not.
The bold is just straight conspiracy theory. Suppose it's true, what's the purpose of the government dishing out funds? Do they just send a cash in a brown envelope to whoever reports a fake covid-19 death? I can't imagine it working that way even in a banana republic.
From the story.QuoteSome of the excess capacity is indeed by design. We canceled elective procedures, though many of those patients never needed hospitalization. We are now providing care at home through telemedicine, but those services are for stable outpatients, not for those who are acutely ill.
Some patients, who would ordinarily be admitted are not being admitted. That is an uncontroversial fact, because hospitals are being prepped for covid-19. I agree, there could be something to be said for how this might impact overal mortality separate from covid-19 deaths, I just don't know what.
And then this with CDC directive. Quite unscientific way of registering deaths!
https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Could go on. And on...
Western Journal...mhhhh.
Doubt Western Journal then consider this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html)
Dr. Birx herself saying as much. They make no difference whether you die WITH corvid-19 or OF Covid-19. Video is there too.
For US States incentive to hype covid-19 for federal dollars, I would provide links and tweets but.....
Doubt Western Journal then consider this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html)
Dr. Birx herself saying as much. They make no difference whether you die WITH corvid-19 or OF Covid-19. Video is there too.
For US States incentive to hype covid-19 for federal dollars, I would provide links and tweets but.....
Fair point. I have also asked about that particular issue here. I wonder what the benefit of that is. Is it just a fog of war we are in an emergency better safe than sorry issue? Maybe. Still you are right that if you count everybody who dies with covid-19 as a covid-19 death, then you are going to get numbers that make covid-19 seem deadlier than it really is. I cannot think of an acceptable situation where misleading numbers are helpful?
Doubt Western Journal then consider this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html)
Dr. Birx herself saying as much. They make no difference whether you die WITH corvid-19 or OF Covid-19. Video is there too.
For US States incentive to hype covid-19 for federal dollars, I would provide links and tweets but.....
Fair point. I have also asked about that particular issue here. I wonder what the benefit of that is. Is it just a fog of war we are in an emergency better safe than sorry issue? Maybe. Still you are right that if you count everybody who dies with covid-19 as a covid-19 death, then you are going to get numbers that make covid-19 seem deadlier than it really is. I cannot think of an acceptable situation where misleading numbers are helpful?
Garliv is addicted to wild claims.
He is regurgitating conspiracy claims of pumping Covid-19 deaths and CDC are all in. That’s right wing garbage designed to absolve Trump of downplaying the pandemic. The more the virus ravages the US the more stupid Trump appears for downplaying it at first so it is in Trumptards’ interests to minimize its effects.
What I have read and Kagwe reported here is post mortem tests for Covid-19 are added to the positive cases
DR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
Doubt Western Journal then consider this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/08/dr_birx_unlike_some_countries_if_someone_dies_with_covid-19_we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html)
Dr. Birx herself saying as much. They make no difference whether you die WITH corvid-19 or OF Covid-19. Video is there too.
For US States incentive to hype covid-19 for federal dollars, I would provide links and tweets but.....
Fair point. I have also asked about that particular issue here. I wonder what the benefit of that is. Is it just a fog of war we are in an emergency better safe than sorry issue? Maybe. Still you are right that if you count everybody who dies with covid-19 as a covid-19 death, then you are going to get numbers that make covid-19 seem deadlier than it really is. I cannot think of an acceptable situation where misleading numbers are helpful?
Garliv is addicted to wild claims.
He is regurgitating conspiracy claims of pumping Covid-19 deaths and CDC are all in. That’s right wing garbage designed to absolve Trump of downplaying the pandemic. The more the virus ravages the US the more stupid Trump appears for downplaying it at first so it is in Trumptards’ interests to minimize its effects.
What I have read and Kagwe reported here is post mortem tests for Covid-19 are added to the positive cases
Yes yes yes he is. But in this case he has a valid point. Have you listened to Dr. Birx?
Here is the quote.QuoteDR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
I think that adds to the covid-19 numbers.
Why do I think that is a problem?
Let's suppose for argument's sake that a person died of HIV/AIDS mediated causes. And after testing his corpse he was found positive for covid-19. Is that a covid-19 death or HIV/AIDS death? If Dr. Birx is right, this will be recorded as a covid-19 death.
I am really clueless what the benefit of that is.
I think every time I’ve been up here about the comorbidities. Most of the people, and we have talked about the Italy data, the majority of the Italians who succumbed to this had three or more comorbidities. So this has been known from the beginning. So those individuals will have an underlying condition, but that underlying condition did not cause their acute death when it’s related to a covid infection. In fact, it’s the opposite. Having an underlying condition and getting this virus, we know it’s particularly damaging to those individuals.”
Black people me being one of them are vichwa Ngumus.
I went to meet a business partner in a ghettoish town in PA last week
I observed guys at the local Bodegas still talking 2 inches apart and several of them entering this stores without keeping distance
The corner kids were will selling Dope and shooting shit while huddled together
If you look at the underworld markets, blacks are still operating like there is no quarantine
Most of these the folks I saw at the Bodegas were old retired men. The elders, the civic leaders and the voice of reason. They are the sober few and I was surprised that they had not realized how
dangerous it was to do what they were doing
I still see a lot of these fools at laundry marts. Women with 6 kids in town, loitering around the laundry mart and shopping center. Going in and out of this and that store buying junk food
Poverty and ignorance is a toxic mix
For black people education doesn't make a difference. The educated are the worst conspiracy nuts or religious nuts
This board just shows a Negro is Negro whether educated or uneducated
Fair point. I have also asked about that particular issue here. I wonder what the benefit of that is. Is it just a fog of war we are in an emergency better safe than sorry issue? Maybe. Still you are right that if you count everybody who dies with covid-19 as a covid-19 death, then you are going to get numbers that make covid-19 seem deadlier than it really is. I cannot think of an acceptable situation where misleading numbers are helpful?
Garliv is addicted to wild claims.
He is regurgitating conspiracy claims of pumping Covid-19 deaths and CDC are all in. That’s right wing garbage designed to absolve Trump of downplaying the pandemic. The more the virus ravages the US the more stupid Trump appears for downplaying it at first so it is in Trumptards’ interests to minimize its effects.
What I have read and Kagwe reported here is post mortem tests for Covid-19 are added to the positive cases
Yes yes yes he is. But in this case he has a valid point. Have you listened to Dr. Birx?
Here is the quote.QuoteDR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
I think that adds to the covid-19 numbers.
Why do I think that is a problem?
Let's suppose for argument's sake that a person died of HIV/AIDS mediated causes. And after testing his corpse he was found positive for covid-19. Is that a covid-19 death or HIV/AIDS death? If Dr. Birx is right, this will be recorded as a covid-19 death.
I am really clueless what the benefit of that is.
Birx is being misquoted. You may listen to what she said on Wednesday here
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/)
Here is part of the transcript:
“QuoteI think every time I’ve been up here about the comorbidities. Most of the people, and we have talked about the Italy data, the majority of the Italians who succumbed to this had three or more comorbidities. So this has been known from the beginning. So those individuals will have an underlying condition, but that underlying condition did not cause their acute death when[/b] it’s related to a covid infection. In fact, it’s the opposite. Having an underlying condition and getting this virus, we know it’s particularly damaging to those individuals.”
What she is saying is, even if you have preexisting conditions ,if Covid-19 symptoms took you to the hospital and you succumbed they record the cause as Covid-19.
Why it makes sense is simple. They virus is the only variable. Say one is battling preexisting conditions for months or years. They go down with a Covid-19,are rushed to hospital and they are no more within days. Chances are they would have lived longer without Covid-19. The virus cut short their lives directly or indirectly.
Black people me being one of them are vichwa Ngumus.
I went to meet a business partner in a ghettoish town in PA last week
I observed guys at the local Bodegas still talking 2 inches apart and several of them entering this stores without keeping distance
The corner kids were will selling Dope and shooting shit while huddled together
If you look at the underworld markets, blacks are still operating like there is no quarantine
Most of these the folks I saw at the Bodegas were old retired men. The elders, the civic leaders and the voice of reason. They are the sober few and I was surprised that they had not realized how
dangerous it was to do what they were doing
I still see a lot of these fools at laundry marts. Women with 6 kids in town, loitering around the laundry mart and shopping center. Going in and out of this and that store buying junk food
Poverty and ignorance is a toxic mix
For black people education doesn't make a difference. The educated are the worst conspiracy nuts or religious nuts
This board just shows a Negro is Negro whether educated or uneducated
Apparently this Virus has been here for a long time. In Iceland 50% have it but are asymptomatic.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/)
Stefansson said Iceland's randomized tests revealed that between 0.3%-0.8% of Iceland's population is infected with the respiratory illness, that about 50% of those who test positive for the virus are asymptomatic when they are tested, and that since mid-March the frequency of the virus among Iceland's general population who are not at the greatest risk – those who do not have underlying health conditions or signs and symptoms of COVID-19 – has either stayed stable or been decreasing.
Black people me being one of them are vichwa Ngumus.
I went to meet a business partner in a ghettoish town in PA last week
I observed guys at the local Bodegas still talking 2 inches apart and several of them entering this stores without keeping distance
The corner kids were will selling Dope and shooting shit while huddled together
If you look at the underworld markets, blacks are still operating like there is no quarantine
Most of these the folks I saw at the Bodegas were old retired men. The elders, the civic leaders and the voice of reason. They are the sober few and I was surprised that they had not realized how
dangerous it was to do what they were doing
I still see a lot of these fools at laundry marts. Women with 6 kids in town, loitering around the laundry mart and shopping center. Going in and out of this and that store buying junk food
Poverty and ignorance is a toxic mix
For black people education doesn't make a difference. The educated are the worst conspiracy nuts or religious nuts
This board just shows a Negro is Negro whether educated or uneducated
Apparently this Virus has been here for a long time. In Iceland 50% have it but are asymptomatic.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/)
I understood it a little differently. That about 50% of those who test positive in Iceland are asymptomatic. The percentage who have it is between 0.3% and 0.8%. Remarkably, stable or reducing.QuoteStefansson said Iceland's randomized tests revealed that between 0.3%-0.8% of Iceland's population is infected with the respiratory illness, that about 50% of those who test positive for the virus are asymptomatic when they are tested, and that since mid-March the frequency of the virus among Iceland's general population who are not at the greatest risk – those who do not have underlying health conditions or signs and symptoms of COVID-19 – has either stayed stable or been decreasing.
Black people me being one of them are vichwa Ngumus.
I went to meet a business partner in a ghettoish town in PA last week
I observed guys at the local Bodegas still talking 2 inches apart and several of them entering this stores without keeping distance
The corner kids were will selling Dope and shooting shit while huddled together
If you look at the underworld markets, blacks are still operating like there is no quarantine
Most of these the folks I saw at the Bodegas were old retired men. The elders, the civic leaders and the voice of reason. They are the sober few and I was surprised that they had not realized how
dangerous it was to do what they were doing
I still see a lot of these fools at laundry marts. Women with 6 kids in town, loitering around the laundry mart and shopping center. Going in and out of this and that store buying junk food
Poverty and ignorance is a toxic mix
For black people education doesn't make a difference. The educated are the worst conspiracy nuts or religious nuts
This board just shows a Negro is Negro whether educated or uneducated
Apparently this Virus has been here for a long time. In Iceland 50% have it but are asymptomatic.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/10/coronavirus-covid-19-small-nations-iceland-big-data/2959797001/)
I understood it a little differently. That about 50% of those who test positive in Iceland are asymptomatic. The percentage who have it is between 0.3% and 0.8%. Remarkably, stable or reducing.QuoteStefansson said Iceland's randomized tests revealed that between 0.3%-0.8% of Iceland's population is infected with the respiratory illness, that about 50% of those who test positive for the virus are asymptomatic when they are tested, and that since mid-March the frequency of the virus among Iceland's general population who are not at the greatest risk – those who do not have underlying health conditions or signs and symptoms of COVID-19 – has either stayed stable or been decreasing.
Not many live in Iceland, so a 50% of the 10% being asymptomatic is a staggering figure. These people will continue spreading it. It definitely did not spread within 4mos given the sparse population. So my conclusion we are dealing with something out of a Stephen King movie. Its been there waiting.
Fair point. I have also asked about that particular issue here. I wonder what the benefit of that is. Is it just a fog of war we are in an emergency better safe than sorry issue? Maybe. Still you are right that if you count everybody who dies with covid-19 as a covid-19 death, then you are going to get numbers that make covid-19 seem deadlier than it really is. I cannot think of an acceptable situation where misleading numbers are helpful?
Garliv is addicted to wild claims.
He is regurgitating conspiracy claims of pumping Covid-19 deaths and CDC are all in. That’s right wing garbage designed to absolve Trump of downplaying the pandemic. The more the virus ravages the US the more stupid Trump appears for downplaying it at first so it is in Trumptards’ interests to minimize its effects.
What I have read and Kagwe reported here is post mortem tests for Covid-19 are added to the positive cases
Yes yes yes he is. But in this case he has a valid point. Have you listened to Dr. Birx?
Here is the quote.QuoteDR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
I think that adds to the covid-19 numbers.
Why do I think that is a problem?
Let's suppose for argument's sake that a person died of HIV/AIDS mediated causes. And after testing his corpse he was found positive for covid-19. Is that a covid-19 death or HIV/AIDS death? If Dr. Birx is right, this will be recorded as a covid-19 death.
I am really clueless what the benefit of that is.
Birx is being misquoted. You may listen to what she said on Wednesday here
I take it you didn't listen to the video in the link. The quote is verbatim.https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/)
Here is part of the transcript:
“QuoteI think every time I’ve been up here about the comorbidities. Most of the people, and we have talked about the Italy data, the majority of the Italians who succumbed to this had three or more comorbidities. So this has been known from the beginning. So those individuals will have an underlying condition, but that underlying condition did not cause their acute death when[/b] it’s related to a covid infection. In fact, it’s the opposite. Having an underlying condition and getting this virus, we know it’s particularly damaging to those individuals.”
What she is saying is, even if you have preexisting conditions ,if Covid-19 symptoms took you to the hospital and you succumbed they record the cause as Covid-19.
Why it makes sense is simple. They virus is the only variable. Say one is battling preexisting conditions for months or years. They go down with a Covid-19,are rushed to hospital and they are no more within days. Chances are they would have lived longer without Covid-19. The virus cut short their lives directly or indirectly.
If you look at this later statement, it makes even more compelling, the need to capture and release more data and information. How many were tested, what were their comorbidities, their death rates(without covid-19). Right now, they are reporting a number that says these are how many people have positive results and these are how many died.
To get a covid-19 test in the US, you have to be in real distress. In this particular case she is talking about, you are already dead. There are going to be people in distress with symptoms similar to those being associated with covid-19. How many of these have died without covid-19? Without reporting on that that kind of information, putting out data like that, even if it's true, can be misleading, and yes, raise the profile covid-19.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
Fair point. I have also asked about that particular issue here. I wonder what the benefit of that is. Is it just a fog of war we are in an emergency better safe than sorry issue? Maybe. Still you are right that if you count everybody who dies with covid-19 as a covid-19 death, then you are going to get numbers that make covid-19 seem deadlier than it really is. I cannot think of an acceptable situation where misleading numbers are helpful?
Garliv is addicted to wild claims.
He is regurgitating conspiracy claims of pumping Covid-19 deaths and CDC are all in. That’s right wing garbage designed to absolve Trump of downplaying the pandemic. The more the virus ravages the US the more stupid Trump appears for downplaying it at first so it is in Trumptards’ interests to minimize its effects.
What I have read and Kagwe reported here is post mortem tests for Covid-19 are added to the positive cases
Yes yes yes he is. But in this case he has a valid point. Have you listened to Dr. Birx?
Here is the quote.QuoteDR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
I think that adds to the covid-19 numbers.
Why do I think that is a problem?
Let's suppose for argument's sake that a person died of HIV/AIDS mediated causes. And after testing his corpse he was found positive for covid-19. Is that a covid-19 death or HIV/AIDS death? If Dr. Birx is right, this will be recorded as a covid-19 death.
I am really clueless what the benefit of that is.
Birx is being misquoted. You may listen to what she said on Wednesday here
I take it you didn't listen to the video in the link. The quote is verbatim.https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/)
Here is part of the transcript:
“QuoteI think every time I’ve been up here about the comorbidities. Most of the people, and we have talked about the Italy data, the majority of the Italians who succumbed to this had three or more comorbidities. So this has been known from the beginning. So those individuals will have an underlying condition, but that underlying condition did not cause their acute death when it’s related to a covid infection. In fact, it’s the opposite. Having an underlying condition and getting this virus, we know it’s particularly damaging to those individuals.”
What she is saying is, even if you have preexisting conditions ,if Covid-19 symptoms took you to the hospital and you succumbed they record the cause as Covid-19.
Why it makes sense is simple. They virus is the only variable. Say one is battling preexisting conditions for months or years. They go down with a Covid-19,are rushed to hospital and they are no more within days. Chances are they would have lived longer without Covid-19. The virus cut short their lives directly or indirectly.
If you look at this later statement, it makes even more compelling, the need to capture and release more data and information. How many were tested, what were their comorbidities, their death rates(without covid-19). Right now, they are reporting a number that says these are how many people have positive results and these are how many died.
To get a covid-19 test in the US, you have to be in real distress. In this particular case she is talking about, you are already dead. There are going to be people in distress with symptoms similar to those being associated with covid-19. How many of these have died without covid-19? Without reporting on that that kind of information, putting out data like that, even if it's true, can be misleading, and yes, raise the profile covid-19.
I did listen to the clip and as I said she is being misquoted.QuoteThere are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
The last bit of the clip is what they are lurching on. She repeated this the next day.
Those pushing the overstatement claims read it to mean that all deaths of Covid-19 positive patients are attributed to the virus. But she clarified this is not the case. It’s only when the virus complications took you to ICU. Whatever you succumb to after this is assumed to have been caused by the virus.
You may want to listen to follow up questions on that and especially Fauci’s take:
From 1:39
Fair point. I have also asked about that particular issue here. I wonder what the benefit of that is. Is it just a fog of war we are in an emergency better safe than sorry issue? Maybe. Still you are right that if you count everybody who dies with covid-19 as a covid-19 death, then you are going to get numbers that make covid-19 seem deadlier than it really is. I cannot think of an acceptable situation where misleading numbers are helpful?
Garliv is addicted to wild claims.
He is regurgitating conspiracy claims of pumping Covid-19 deaths and CDC are all in. That’s right wing garbage designed to absolve Trump of downplaying the pandemic. The more the virus ravages the US the more stupid Trump appears for downplaying it at first so it is in Trumptards’ interests to minimize its effects.
What I have read and Kagwe reported here is post mortem tests for Covid-19 are added to the positive cases
Yes yes yes he is. But in this case he has a valid point. Have you listened to Dr. Birx?
Here is the quote.QuoteDR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.
There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
I think that adds to the covid-19 numbers.
Why do I think that is a problem?
Let's suppose for argument's sake that a person died of HIV/AIDS mediated causes. And after testing his corpse he was found positive for covid-19. Is that a covid-19 death or HIV/AIDS death? If Dr. Birx is right, this will be recorded as a covid-19 death.
I am really clueless what the benefit of that is.
Birx is being misquoted. You may listen to what she said on Wednesday here
I take it you didn't listen to the video in the link. The quote is verbatim.https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-acosta-asks-birx-fauci-about-commentators-suggesting-death-toll-inflated-theres-a-lot-of-misinformation-out-there/)
Here is part of the transcript:
“QuoteI think every time I’ve been up here about the comorbidities. Most of the people, and we have talked about the Italy data, the majority of the Italians who succumbed to this had three or more comorbidities. So this has been known from the beginning. So those individuals will have an underlying condition, but that underlying condition did not cause their acute death when it’s related to a covid infection. In fact, it’s the opposite. Having an underlying condition and getting this virus, we know it’s particularly damaging to those individuals.”
What she is saying is, even if you have preexisting conditions ,if Covid-19 symptoms took you to the hospital and you succumbed they record the cause as Covid-19.
Why it makes sense is simple. They virus is the only variable. Say one is battling preexisting conditions for months or years. They go down with a Covid-19,are rushed to hospital and they are no more within days. Chances are they would have lived longer without Covid-19. The virus cut short their lives directly or indirectly.
If you look at this later statement, it makes even more compelling, the need to capture and release more data and information. How many were tested, what were their comorbidities, their death rates(without covid-19). Right now, they are reporting a number that says these are how many people have positive results and these are how many died.
To get a covid-19 test in the US, you have to be in real distress. In this particular case she is talking about, you are already dead. There are going to be people in distress with symptoms similar to those being associated with covid-19. How many of these have died without covid-19? Without reporting on that that kind of information, putting out data like that, even if it's true, can be misleading, and yes, raise the profile covid-19.
I did listen to the clip and as I said she is being misquoted.QuoteThere are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.
The last bit of the clip is what they are lurching on. She repeated this the next day.
Those pushing the overstatement claims read it to mean that all deaths of Covid-19 positive patients are attributed to the virus. But she clarified this is not the case. It’s only when the virus complications took you to ICU. Whatever you succumb to after this is assumed to have been caused by the virus.
You may want to listen to follow up questions on that and especially Fauci’s take:
From 1:39
She is not being misquoted if the quote includes everything she said about the subject and is verbatim no less. Nothing added. Nothing left out. No paraphrase. No emphasis. With video to wit.
Fauci’s clarification is helpful. Your immediate cause of death may be a heart attack, but you don’t get it if you don’t have respiratory distress caused by covid-19. Fair point.
The Italians are taking a different approach. You don’t die of a heart attack if you don’t have a pre-existing heart condition, even if you had covid-19. So they emphasize that.
The US is emphasizing the role of covid-19, while Italy emphasizes comorbidities. A case could be made for either approach. But it complicates any comparisons one may want carry out between the two situations.
I still think, not enough information is being gathered and shared, to put those numbers(the US) in context. Specifically about the sick and dying who tested negative for covid-19. I doubt we will be able to get a picture of the overall effect of covid-19 on the healthy population anytime soon.
She is not being misquoted if the quote includes everything she said about the subject and is verbatim no less. Nothing added. Nothing left out. No paraphrase. No emphasis. With video to wit.
Fauci’s clarification is helpful. Your immediate cause of death may be a heart attack, but you don’t get it if you don’t have respiratory distress caused by covid-19. Fair point.
The Italians are taking a different approach. You don’t die of a heart attack if you don’t have a pre-existing heart condition, even if you had covid-19. So they emphasize that.
The US is emphasizing the role of covid-19, while Italy emphasizes comorbidities. A case could be made for either approach. But it complicates any comparisons one may want carry out between the two situations.
I still think, not enough information is being gathered and shared, to put those numbers(the US) in context. Specifically about the sick and dying who tested negative for covid-19. I doubt we will be able to get a picture of the overall effect of covid-19 on the healthy population anytime soon.
She is misquoted in the sense that her words are taken to mean the opposite of what she is saying even after repeating it the next day. The portion I highlighted is what is being thrown around on its own.
We can only tell the ‘overall effect’ if we tested everyone. That’s not happening any time soon. This means case fatality rate is likely to be overstated and its variance across countries may boil down to, among others, testing.
Regarding the data you believe would put Covid-19 figures in context, I think there is enough data on daily deaths. Covid-19 is far from the #1 killer but it can easily get there if the infected cases hits millions,or so the argument goes. That plus the resources expended in managing the 8% or so of the infected who get critical
She is not being misquoted if the quote includes everything she said about the subject and is verbatim no less. Nothing added. Nothing left out. No paraphrase. No emphasis. With video to wit.
Fauci’s clarification is helpful. Your immediate cause of death may be a heart attack, but you don’t get it if you don’t have respiratory distress caused by covid-19. Fair point.
The Italians are taking a different approach. You don’t die of a heart attack if you don’t have a pre-existing heart condition, even if you had covid-19. So they emphasize that.
The US is emphasizing the role of covid-19, while Italy emphasizes comorbidities. A case could be made for either approach. But it complicates any comparisons one may want carry out between the two situations.
I still think, not enough information is being gathered and shared, to put those numbers(the US) in context. Specifically about the sick and dying who tested negative for covid-19. I doubt we will be able to get a picture of the overall effect of covid-19 on the healthy population anytime soon.
She is misquoted in the sense that her words are taken to mean the opposite of what she is saying even after repeating it the next day. The portion I highlighted is what is being thrown around on its own.
By who? I don't see it on this thread.We can only tell the ‘overall effect’ if we tested everyone. That’s not happening any time soon. This means case fatality rate is likely to be overstated and its variance across countries may boil down to, among others, testing.
Regarding the data you believe would put Covid-19 figures in context, I think there is enough data on daily deaths. Covid-19 is far from the #1 killer but it can easily get there if the infected cases hits millions,or so the argument goes. That plus the resources expended in managing the 8% or so of the infected who get critical
I found data on total(not daily) deaths from the interactive CDC app I linked to somewhere on this thread.
What did I not find? Data on the number of people tested for covid-19. Only data on the number of people who tested positive. We don't have an overstated rate. We just don't have any rate.
She is not being misquoted if the quote includes everything she said about the subject and is verbatim no less. Nothing added. Nothing left out. No paraphrase. No emphasis. With video to wit.
Fauci’s clarification is helpful. Your immediate cause of death may be a heart attack, but you don’t get it if you don’t have respiratory distress caused by covid-19. Fair point.
The Italians are taking a different approach. You don’t die of a heart attack if you don’t have a pre-existing heart condition, even if you had covid-19. So they emphasize that.
The US is emphasizing the role of covid-19, while Italy emphasizes comorbidities. A case could be made for either approach. But it complicates any comparisons one may want carry out between the two situations.
I still think, not enough information is being gathered and shared, to put those numbers(the US) in context. Specifically about the sick and dying who tested negative for covid-19. I doubt we will be able to get a picture of the overall effect of covid-19 on the healthy population anytime soon.
She is misquoted in the sense that her words are taken to mean the opposite of what she is saying even after repeating it the next day. The portion I highlighted is what is being thrown around on its own.
By who? I don't see it on this thread.We can only tell the ‘overall effect’ if we tested everyone. That’s not happening any time soon. This means case fatality rate is likely to be overstated and its variance across countries may boil down to, among others, testing.
Regarding the data you believe would put Covid-19 figures in context, I think there is enough data on daily deaths. Covid-19 is far from the #1 killer but it can easily get there if the infected cases hits millions,or so the argument goes. That plus the resources expended in managing the 8% or so of the infected who get critical
I found data on total(not daily) deaths from the interactive CDC app I linked to somewhere on this thread.
What did I not find? Data on the number of people tested for covid-19. Only data on the number of people who tested positive. We don't have an overstated rate. We just don't have any rate.
Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
It is easy to keep on labeling everything you don't agree with as Conspiracy Theory. It is an easy route for those who have no facts to prove their claims. I don't mind but facts are facts.
Even our very own Kagwe CS recently announced that someone had died in Mombasa and death attributed to Covid-19. What was interesting was that Kagwe story is that the patient had been admitted with several serious medical issues and it was only AFTER DEATH that he was tested for Covid-19 and turned out positive. Therefore the death was recorded as caused by Covid-19. If it's being conspiratorial to ask why such a death is attributable to Covid-19 and not other causes which were known to exist, then am proud to be conspiratorial. Again, according to the CS the first casualty was a 66yrs old male suffering from diabetes. No other details were released on how serious his diabetic condition was nor any other info. But at the age of 66yrs with diabetes even a "normal flu" or even a wound can be lead to a lot of health complications. The other youngster was aged 6yrs? but had been admitted to hospital cause of pneumonia and underlying conditions (which i understood were from birth). Again Covid-19 was said to be the cause. While such deaths are regrettable, it doesn't justify the measures taken. This is why i agree with your assertion that "African governments are burning the house to rid of Mosquito.." And I go further and say the whole damn world (or at least majority parts ) have gone mad. The fear mongering and the hold it has on several parts of the world is simply incredible.
In Italy even their own scientist advisor on health to the PM (I think it may be equivalent of our Director General Dr. Amoth) stated that only 12% of reported deaths were directly attributable to Covid-19. In that it was only in those 12% cases where the patient did not have other underlying conditions (comorbidity). But then that has not stopped media hype to keep on harping about Italy. And yet further research shows this is not the first time Italy had been overwhelmed by "flu/pneumonia" during Europe's Flu/winter season.
You try to defend Dr. Birx while words were very clear. And any other clarification she made ended up being a distinction without a difference. Yea, and that if it "causes ACUTE Death...." then it's covid-19. Very clear as hell.
Here's a State Senator who's also a duly qualified Doctor in Minnesota. He received directions on how to fill death certificates (He says this is the first time he has ever been coached how to fill death certificates) that laboratory tests are not necessary for Covid-19 to be stated as cause of death. Is he also like me a Conspiracy Theorist?
https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html
He was also on Fox News like 2 days ago dismissing CDC guidelines on Covid-19 death Counts. If you dismiss anyone who questions such guidelines as Conspiracy Theorists (which Fauci did), The Senator/Doctor said
"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.
"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.
"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."
My point is which have been all along is that nothing is as clear cut in this Covid-19 Pandemic. That we have to scour through deaths data or manipulate how deaths are usually recorded to "confirm" deaths from COVID-19 pandemic clearly shows THIS IS NOT A PANDEMIC. In the sense it has led to closure of economies and suspension of people lives and ushered in dictatorial rule where even how to breathe has to be dictated by the government. And enforced.
The elderly and those with serious underlying health issues ARE NORMALLY VULNERABLE TO ANY OTHER DISEASE/VIRUS/BACTERIA and Covid-19 is not SPECIAL in that regard.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines
But then all of these are conspiracies and believe in wild stuffs.Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
It is easy to keep on labeling everything you don't agree with as Conspiracy Theory. It is an easy route for those who have no facts to prove their claims. I don't mind but facts are facts.
Even our very own Kagwe CS recently announced that someone had died in Mombasa and death attributed to Covid-19. What was interesting was that Kagwe story is that the patient had been admitted with several serious medical issues and it was only AFTER DEATH that he was tested for Covid-19 and turned out positive. Therefore the death was recorded as caused by Covid-19. If it's being conspiratorial to ask why such a death is attributable to Covid-19 and not other causes which were known to exist, then am proud to be conspiratorial. Again, according to the CS the first casualty was a 66yrs old male suffering from diabetes. No other details were released on how serious his diabetic condition was nor any other info. But at the age of 66yrs with diabetes even a "normal flu" or even a wound can be lead to a lot of health complications. The other youngster was aged 6yrs? but had been admitted to hospital cause of pneumonia and underlying conditions (which i understood were from birth). Again Covid-19 was said to be the cause. While such deaths are regrettable, it doesn't justify the measures taken. This is why i agree with your assertion that "African governments are burning the house to rid of Mosquito.." And I go further and say the whole damn world (or at least majority parts ) have gone mad. The fear mongering and the hold it has on several parts of the world is simply incredible.
In Italy even their own scientist advisor on health to the PM (I think it may be equivalent of our Director General Dr. Amoth) stated that only 12% of reported deaths were directly attributable to Covid-19. In that it was only in those 12% cases where the patient did not have other underlying conditions (comorbidity). But then that has not stopped media hype to keep on harping about Italy. And yet further research shows this is not the first time Italy had been overwhelmed by "flu/pneumonia" during Europe's Flu/winter season.
You try to defend Dr. Birx while words were very clear. And any other clarification she made ended up being a distinction without a difference. Yea, and that if it "causes ACUTE Death...." then it's covid-19. Very clear as hell.
Here's a State Senator who's also a duly qualified Doctor in Minnesota. He received directions on how to fill death certificates (He says this is the first time he has ever been coached how to fill death certificates) that laboratory tests are not necessary for Covid-19 to be stated as cause of death. Is he also like me a Conspiracy Theorist?
https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html (https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html)
He was also on Fox News like 2 days ago dismissing CDC guidelines on Covid-19 death Counts. If you dismiss anyone who questions such guidelines as Conspiracy Theorists (which Fauci did), The Senator/Doctor said
"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.
"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.
"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."
My point is which have been all along is that nothing is as clear cut in this Covid-19 Pandemic. That we have to scour through deaths data or manipulate how deaths are usually recorded to "confirm" deaths from COVID-19 pandemic clearly shows THIS IS NOT A PANDEMIC. In the sense it has led to closure of economies and suspension of people lives and ushered in dictatorial rule where even how to breathe has to be dictated by the government. And enforced.
The elderly and those with serious underlying health issues ARE NORMALLY VULNERABLE TO ANY OTHER DISEASE/VIRUS/BACTERIA and Covid-19 is not SPECIAL in that regard.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines (https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines)
But then all of these are conspiracies and believe in wild stuffs.Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Fox groupies this time a Republican first and a doctor second.
Ever read CDC sources themselves or do you wait until Trumptards put a spin to them?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm)
It is easy to keep on labeling everything you don't agree with as Conspiracy Theory. It is an easy route for those who have no facts to prove their claims. I don't mind but facts are facts.
Even our very own Kagwe CS recently announced that someone had died in Mombasa and death attributed to Covid-19. What was interesting was that Kagwe story is that the patient had been admitted with several serious medical issues and it was only AFTER DEATH that he was tested for Covid-19 and turned out positive. Therefore the death was recorded as caused by Covid-19. If it's being conspiratorial to ask why such a death is attributable to Covid-19 and not other causes which were known to exist, then am proud to be conspiratorial. Again, according to the CS the first casualty was a 66yrs old male suffering from diabetes. No other details were released on how serious his diabetic condition was nor any other info. But at the age of 66yrs with diabetes even a "normal flu" or even a wound can be lead to a lot of health complications. The other youngster was aged 6yrs? but had been admitted to hospital cause of pneumonia and underlying conditions (which i understood were from birth). Again Covid-19 was said to be the cause. While such deaths are regrettable, it doesn't justify the measures taken. This is why i agree with your assertion that "African governments are burning the house to rid of Mosquito.." And I go further and say the whole damn world (or at least majority parts ) have gone mad. The fear mongering and the hold it has on several parts of the world is simply incredible.
In Italy even their own scientist advisor on health to the PM (I think it may be equivalent of our Director General Dr. Amoth) stated that only 12% of reported deaths were directly attributable to Covid-19. In that it was only in those 12% cases where the patient did not have other underlying conditions (comorbidity). But then that has not stopped media hype to keep on harping about Italy. And yet further research shows this is not the first time Italy had been overwhelmed by "flu/pneumonia" during Europe's Flu/winter season.
You try to defend Dr. Birx while words were very clear. And any other clarification she made ended up being a distinction without a difference. Yea, and that if it "causes ACUTE Death...." then it's covid-19. Very clear as hell.
Here's a State Senator who's also a duly qualified Doctor in Minnesota. He received directions on how to fill death certificates (He says this is the first time he has ever been coached how to fill death certificates) that laboratory tests are not necessary for Covid-19 to be stated as cause of death. Is he also like me a Conspiracy Theorist?
https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html (https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html)
He was also on Fox News like 2 days ago dismissing CDC guidelines on Covid-19 death Counts. If you dismiss anyone who questions such guidelines as Conspiracy Theorists (which Fauci did), The Senator/Doctor said
"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.
"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.
"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."
My point is which have been all along is that nothing is as clear cut in this Covid-19 Pandemic. That we have to scour through deaths data or manipulate how deaths are usually recorded to "confirm" deaths from COVID-19 pandemic clearly shows THIS IS NOT A PANDEMIC. In the sense it has led to closure of economies and suspension of people lives and ushered in dictatorial rule where even how to breathe has to be dictated by the government. And enforced.
The elderly and those with serious underlying health issues ARE NORMALLY VULNERABLE TO ANY OTHER DISEASE/VIRUS/BACTERIA and Covid-19 is not SPECIAL in that regard.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines (https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines)
But then all of these are conspiracies and believe in wild stuffs.Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
I repeat again. You are either a moron or just plain stupid. When someone is on a deathbed suffering, the disease that attacks last is the killer. In plain language if some robber came to your house and shot and killed you, the robber is the killer not the disease that kept you homebound for years. I hope you get it.
My comment was meant for Galiv. Stupid as an ass.It is easy to keep on labeling everything you don't agree with as Conspiracy Theory. It is an easy route for those who have no facts to prove their claims. I don't mind but facts are facts.
Even our very own Kagwe CS recently announced that someone had died in Mombasa and death attributed to Covid-19. What was interesting was that Kagwe story is that the patient had been admitted with several serious medical issues and it was only AFTER DEATH that he was tested for Covid-19 and turned out positive. Therefore the death was recorded as caused by Covid-19. If it's being conspiratorial to ask why such a death is attributable to Covid-19 and not other causes which were known to exist, then am proud to be conspiratorial. Again, according to the CS the first casualty was a 66yrs old male suffering from diabetes. No other details were released on how serious his diabetic condition was nor any other info. But at the age of 66yrs with diabetes even a "normal flu" or even a wound can be lead to a lot of health complications. The other youngster was aged 6yrs? but had been admitted to hospital cause of pneumonia and underlying conditions (which i understood were from birth). Again Covid-19 was said to be the cause. While such deaths are regrettable, it doesn't justify the measures taken. This is why i agree with your assertion that "African governments are burning the house to rid of Mosquito.." And I go further and say the whole damn world (or at least majority parts ) have gone mad. The fear mongering and the hold it has on several parts of the world is simply incredible.
In Italy even their own scientist advisor on health to the PM (I think it may be equivalent of our Director General Dr. Amoth) stated that only 12% of reported deaths were directly attributable to Covid-19. In that it was only in those 12% cases where the patient did not have other underlying conditions (comorbidity). But then that has not stopped media hype to keep on harping about Italy. And yet further research shows this is not the first time Italy had been overwhelmed by "flu/pneumonia" during Europe's Flu/winter season.
You try to defend Dr. Birx while words were very clear. And any other clarification she made ended up being a distinction without a difference. Yea, and that if it "causes ACUTE Death...." then it's covid-19. Very clear as hell.
Here's a State Senator who's also a duly qualified Doctor in Minnesota. He received directions on how to fill death certificates (He says this is the first time he has ever been coached how to fill death certificates) that laboratory tests are not necessary for Covid-19 to be stated as cause of death. Is he also like me a Conspiracy Theorist?
https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html (https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html)
He was also on Fox News like 2 days ago dismissing CDC guidelines on Covid-19 death Counts. If you dismiss anyone who questions such guidelines as Conspiracy Theorists (which Fauci did), The Senator/Doctor said
"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.
"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.
"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."
My point is which have been all along is that nothing is as clear cut in this Covid-19 Pandemic. That we have to scour through deaths data or manipulate how deaths are usually recorded to "confirm" deaths from COVID-19 pandemic clearly shows THIS IS NOT A PANDEMIC. In the sense it has led to closure of economies and suspension of people lives and ushered in dictatorial rule where even how to breathe has to be dictated by the government. And enforced.
The elderly and those with serious underlying health issues ARE NORMALLY VULNERABLE TO ANY OTHER DISEASE/VIRUS/BACTERIA and Covid-19 is not SPECIAL in that regard.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines (https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines)
But then all of these are conspiracies and believe in wild stuffs.Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
I repeat again. You are either a moron or just plain stupid. When someone is on a deathbed suffering, the disease that attacks last is the killer. In plain language if some robber came to your house and shot and killed you, the robber is the killer not the disease that kept you homebound for years. I hope you get it.
The bold part. Have you confirmed if it is true(beyond just being said by the doctor)?
It goes without saying that money can indeed incentivize certain behavior.
My comment was meant for Galiv. Stupid as an ass.It is easy to keep on labeling everything you don't agree with as Conspiracy Theory. It is an easy route for those who have no facts to prove their claims. I don't mind but facts are facts.
Even our very own Kagwe CS recently announced that someone had died in Mombasa and death attributed to Covid-19. What was interesting was that Kagwe story is that the patient had been admitted with several serious medical issues and it was only AFTER DEATH that he was tested for Covid-19 and turned out positive. Therefore the death was recorded as caused by Covid-19. If it's being conspiratorial to ask why such a death is attributable to Covid-19 and not other causes which were known to exist, then am proud to be conspiratorial. Again, according to the CS the first casualty was a 66yrs old male suffering from diabetes. No other details were released on how serious his diabetic condition was nor any other info. But at the age of 66yrs with diabetes even a "normal flu" or even a wound can be lead to a lot of health complications. The other youngster was aged 6yrs? but had been admitted to hospital cause of pneumonia and underlying conditions (which i understood were from birth). Again Covid-19 was said to be the cause. While such deaths are regrettable, it doesn't justify the measures taken. This is why i agree with your assertion that "African governments are burning the house to rid of Mosquito.." And I go further and say the whole damn world (or at least majority parts ) have gone mad. The fear mongering and the hold it has on several parts of the world is simply incredible.
In Italy even their own scientist advisor on health to the PM (I think it may be equivalent of our Director General Dr. Amoth) stated that only 12% of reported deaths were directly attributable to Covid-19. In that it was only in those 12% cases where the patient did not have other underlying conditions (comorbidity). But then that has not stopped media hype to keep on harping about Italy. And yet further research shows this is not the first time Italy had been overwhelmed by "flu/pneumonia" during Europe's Flu/winter season.
You try to defend Dr. Birx while words were very clear. And any other clarification she made ended up being a distinction without a difference. Yea, and that if it "causes ACUTE Death...." then it's covid-19. Very clear as hell.
Here's a State Senator who's also a duly qualified Doctor in Minnesota. He received directions on how to fill death certificates (He says this is the first time he has ever been coached how to fill death certificates) that laboratory tests are not necessary for Covid-19 to be stated as cause of death. Is he also like me a Conspiracy Theorist?
https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/misc/Sen-Dr-Jensens-Shocking-Admission-About-Coronavirus-569458361.html
He was also on Fox News like 2 days ago dismissing CDC guidelines on Covid-19 death Counts. If you dismiss anyone who questions such guidelines as Conspiracy Theorists (which Fauci did), The Senator/Doctor said
"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.
"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.
"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."
My point is which have been all along is that nothing is as clear cut in this Covid-19 Pandemic. That we have to scour through deaths data or manipulate how deaths are usually recorded to "confirm" deaths from COVID-19 pandemic clearly shows THIS IS NOT A PANDEMIC. In the sense it has led to closure of economies and suspension of people lives and ushered in dictatorial rule where even how to breathe has to be dictated by the government. And enforced.
The elderly and those with serious underlying health issues ARE NORMALLY VULNERABLE TO ANY OTHER DISEASE/VIRUS/BACTERIA and Covid-19 is not SPECIAL in that regard.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines
But then all of these are conspiracies and believe in wild stuffs.Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
I repeat again. You are either a moron or just plain stupid. When someone is on a deathbed suffering, the disease that attacks last is the killer. In plain language if some robber came to your house and shot and killed you, the robber is the killer not the disease that kept you homebound for years. I hope you get it.
The bold part. Have you confirmed if it is true(beyond just being said by the doctor)?
It goes without saying that money can indeed incentivize certain behavior.
Bitmask - you know one can lose their license if they are found to intentionally fudge the cause of death. Cause of death has many implications eg - how life insurance is paid being one of them.
It is easy to keep on labeling everything you don't agree with as Conspiracy Theory. It is an easy route for those who have no facts to prove their claims. I don't mind but facts are facts.
He was also on Fox News like 2 days ago dismissing CDC guidelines on Covid-19 death Counts. If you dismiss anyone who questions such guidelines as Conspiracy Theorists (which Fauci did),
But then all of these are conspiracies and believe in wild stuffs.Fox groupies et all have been pushing the narrative that the deaths are overstated. Garliv picked this up from there. They quoted her and focussed on that specific part. He shared the link from Realpolitik believing it supports his claims while it doesn’t.
Data on tests is right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/)
Fox groupies this time a Republican first and a doctor second.
Ever read CDC sources themselves or do you wait until Trumptards put a spin to them?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm)
Why is this link a relevant response to the previous post? I am trying to follow. I agree Garliv has a penchant for conspiracies - IMO not relevant in this case though. In your own words, after reading a book, you believe demonstration of “facts” is the way to go. But your response, without contextualizing it, just looks like a red herring.
PART 1
This section on the death certificate is for reporting the sequence of conditions that led directly to death. The immediate cause of death, which is the disease or condition that directly preceded death and is not necessarily the underlying cause of death (UCOD), should be reported on line a. The conditions that led to the immediate cause of death should be reported in a logical sequence in terms of time and etiology below it.
The UCOD, which is “(a) the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death or (b) the circumstances of the accident or violence which produced the fatal injury” (7), should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I...
Certifying deaths due to COVID–19
If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various life- threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.
It is important to emphasize that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Other terminology, e.g., SARS-CoV-2, can be used as long as it is clear that it indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, but we would prefer use of WHO’s standard terminology, e.g., COVID-19. Specification of the causal pathway leading to death in Part I of the certificate is also important. For example, in cases when COVID-19 causes pneumonia and fatal respiratory distress, both pneumonia and respiratory distress should be included along with COVID-19 in Part I.
Because he is regurgitating the same thing; deaths from other causes are being wrongly attributed to Covid-19 because of CDC’s guidelines.
This link is guidance in certifying death
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdfQuotePART 1
This section on the death certificate is for reporting the sequence of conditions that led directly to death. The immediate cause of death, which is the disease or condition that directly preceded death and is not necessarily the underlying cause of death (UCOD), should be reported on line a. The conditions that led to the immediate cause of death should be reported in a logical sequence in terms of time and etiology below it.
The UCOD, which is “(a) the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death or (b) the circumstances of the accident or violence which produced the fatal injury” (7), should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I...
Certifying deaths due to COVID–19
If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various life- threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.
This one is on reporting death:QuoteIt is important to emphasize that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Other terminology, e.g., SARS-CoV-2, can be used as long as it is clear that it indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, but we would prefer use of WHO’s standard terminology, e.g., COVID-19. Specification of the causal pathway leading to death in Part I of the certificate is also important. For example, in cases when COVID-19 causes pneumonia and fatal respiratory distress, both pneumonia and respiratory distress should be included along with COVID-19 in Part I.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-1-Guidance-for-Certifying-COVID-19-Deaths.pdf
What I expected Garliv to demonstrate is how inadequate these guidelines are so much that they lead to overstatement of deaths, other than relying on assertions by Republicans or Trump apologists. He could also demonstrate how these guidelines differ from those of other diseases
The bit about Medicare, I can’t verify that but from what I read it all boils down to whether one is insured or not. I think it was part of Trump’s stimulus. That bit needs verification but I wonder how hospitals benefit from overstating deaths even if this were the case. Are they paid more for Covid-19 deaths?
Here's an epidemiologist who thinks Covid-19 isn't a big deal and people should be let to mingle so as to attain herd immunity and move on.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/
Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”[/u]
Here's an epidemiologist who thinks Covid-19 isn't a big deal and people should be let to mingle so as to attain herd immunity and move on.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/
Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”[/u]
Oh my...
Herd immunity is achieved when everyone is immune to the disease. A vaccine or plasma can make that possible, but nothing yet. Letting the disease kill everyone in order to achieve immunity is a Trump idea. What this "epidemiologist" does not take into consideration is that when people get sick they go to already crowded hospitals, leaving them unable to cope. So basically there is no system that can take 10k dead every day for 4 weeks.
"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.
"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.
"Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference," Jensen added. "I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient."
My point is which have been all along is that nothing is as clear cut in this Covid-19 Pandemic. That we have to scour through deaths data or manipulate how deaths are usually recorded to "confirm" deaths from COVID-19 pandemic clearly shows THIS IS NOT A PANDEMIC. In the sense it has led to closure of economies and suspension of people lives and ushered in dictatorial rule where even how to breathe has to be dictated by the government. And enforced.
The elderly and those with serious underlying health issues ARE NORMALLY VULNERABLE TO ANY OTHER DISEASE/VIRUS/BACTERIA and Covid-19 is not SPECIAL in that regard.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines (https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines)
But then all of these are conspiracies and believe in wild stuffs.
Here's an epidemiologist who thinks Covid-19 isn't a big deal and people should be let to mingle so as to attain herd immunity and move on.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/
Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”[/u]
1. You call others conspiracy theorists but then you consider anything and everybody from Republican Party as a liar and must be making up claims. Very progressive. While you are at it, you can read or listen to the said Dr. Jensen and point out where he's lying. He also explains what he finds objectionable. I would provide further links with other even apolitical doctors but it will be wasted on you.
2. You claim the disease one get last before they die is indicated as the cause of death. So let me ask; if one is determined to be suffering from HIV/AIDS, and the last disease to infect him is flu or gangrene what's indicated as death in such a case. Again one has prostrate cancer but last disease he's diagnosed with is say pneumonia or TB, what's indicated as cause of death?
3. Even the parts you quote as CDC guidelines clearly says "Covid-19 should be indicated as cause of death even where it is ASSUMED to have caused or contributed.."
If you don't find anything questionable there then no need to argue with you in this regard. Kindly consult a doctor who has actually been filling out cause of death. CDC has always emphasized SPECIFICITY but assumption is enough in case of Corona. Extend that further and ask What's the need for CDC to issue new guidelines for registering deaths when doctors/pathologists have been doing these stuffs for years, decades even? Is there anything that would compel them to have new guidelines for Covid-19? I personally cannot apart from just bureaucratic excitement for something "considered new..." But then maybe am a bit conspiratorial.
Because he is regurgitating the same thing; deaths from other causes are being wrongly attributed to Covid-19 because of CDC’s guidelines.
This link is guidance in certifying death
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdfQuotePART 1
This section on the death certificate is for reporting the sequence of conditions that led directly to death. The immediate cause of death, which is the disease or condition that directly preceded death and is not necessarily the underlying cause of death (UCOD), should be reported on line a. The conditions that led to the immediate cause of death should be reported in a logical sequence in terms of time and etiology below it.
The UCOD, which is “(a) the disease or injury which initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death or (b) the circumstances of the accident or violence which produced the fatal injury” (7), should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I...
Certifying deaths due to COVID–19
If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various life- threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.
This one is on reporting death:QuoteIt is important to emphasize that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Other terminology, e.g., SARS-CoV-2, can be used as long as it is clear that it indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, but we would prefer use of WHO’s standard terminology, e.g., COVID-19. Specification of the causal pathway leading to death in Part I of the certificate is also important. For example, in cases when COVID-19 causes pneumonia and fatal respiratory distress, both pneumonia and respiratory distress should be included along with COVID-19 in Part I.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-1-Guidance-for-Certifying-COVID-19-Deaths.pdf
What I expected Garliv to demonstrate is how inadequate these guidelines are so much that they lead to overstatement of deaths, other than relying on assertions by Republicans or Trump apologists. He could also demonstrate how these guidelines differ from those of other diseases
The bit about Medicare, I can’t verify that but from what I read it all boils down to whether one is insured or not. I think it was part of Trump’s stimulus. That bit needs verification but I wonder how hospitals benefit from overstating deaths even if this were the case. Are they paid more for Covid-19 deaths?
Here's an epidemiologist who thinks Covid-19 isn't a big deal and people should be let to mingle so as to attain herd immunity and move on.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/
Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”[/u]
SIAYA COUNTY/
UGENYA SUB COUNTY/
UKWALA POLICE STATION.
DATE 11-04-2020
*SUBJECT CORONA VIRUS DEATH*
ON 11-04-2020 AT 1800 HRS WE RECEIVED A DEATH REPORT OF CORONA VIRUS ONE THE DECEASED JAMES OYUGI ANYANGO FROM UKWALA LOCATION,SIMUR KONDIEK SUB -LOCATION, KAMALUNGA VILLAGE AGED 59 YRS OLD A WORKER FROM KPA MOMBASA TRAVELLED WITH HIS WIFE AND TWO DAUGHTERS ON 05-04-2020 FROM MOMBASA TO SIAYA.
ON O5-04-2020 HE SLEPT AT NAIROBI.
ON 06-04-2020 HE WAS INVOLVED IN A NON INJURY ACCIDENT AT AWASI MARKET AND SLEPT AT KISUMU.
ON 07-04-2020 HE ARRIVED AT UKWALA USING HIS BROTHERS VEHICLE . AND SINCE O7-04-2020 HE HAS BEEN INDOORS.
ON 10-04-2020 AT 1000 HRS HE STARTED TO COUGH HE WAS RUSHED TO MATIBABU FOUNDATION PRIVATE HOSPITAL AND AT 1900 HRS HE DIED.
ON 11-04-2020 BLOOD SPICIMEN WERE TAKEN TO KEMRI KISUMU RESULTS WERE POSITIVE.
*WAY FORWARD*
(1) BODY TO BE DISINFECTED AND TO BE BURRIED TODAY NIGHT IN BODY BAGS.
(2) ALL CONTACTS TO BE ROUNDED UP AND TO BE FORCED QUARANTINED AT SIAYA ISOLATION CENTRE.
FURTHER REPORT TO FOLLOW.
Flattening the epidemiological curve of the coronavirus to buy time until a vaccine can be developed may prove counterproductive for poorer countries if it increases these other causes of mortality. Based on data from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, we found that between 16 percent and 37 percent of households in lower-income countries are food insecure—people who already face hunger and stand to face increasingly dire circumstances if social distancing measures are imposed..
Poorer countries also have limited capacity to enforce distancing guidelines and to ameliorate problems caused by such policies. Recent Community Mobility Reports published by Google show widespread adherence to social distancing guidelines in high-income countries but smaller changes in mobility trends for workplaces and retail shops in many lower-income countries.
The social distancing and suppression interventions pioneered in Wuhan, China—and now in place throughout Europe and parts of the United States—rely on government support systems. Many workers throughout Europe still receive their salaries, and U.S. taxpayers will receive a stimulus check. By contrast, informal workers in developing countries do not always appear in government and bureaucratic records.
So even in the unlikely event that social insurance policies were implemented in these countries, it is not at all clear how quickly the estimated 50 to 80 percent of workers informally or self-employed in lower-income countries could be located, if at all, to deliver relief benefits to them. In addition, a lockdown may have counterproductive effects if it forces informal sector workers and migrants to reverse-migrate from densely populated urban areas and spread the disease to remote rural areas of poor countries.
Efforts by the Indian government to impose a lockdown already appear to have had significant negative consequences for the most vulnerable members of its population. Interviews with workers from the informal sector tell a story of impending poverty, evictions, and hunger, as their incomes and work opportunities have been curtailed. Migrant laborers in India’s largest cities, now without access to employment, are without food or shelter. Thousands are in the process of literally walking back to their homes, with deaths along the way already being reported. These mortality consequences cannot be ignored when devising public policy strategies to contain the coronavirus
QuoteFlattening the epidemiological curve of the coronavirus to buy time until a vaccine can be developed may prove counterproductive for poorer countries if it increases these other causes of mortality. Based on data from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, we found that between 16 percent and 37 percent of households in lower-income countries are food insecure—people who already face hunger and stand to face increasingly dire circumstances if social distancing measures are imposed..
Poorer countries also have limited capacity to enforce distancing guidelines and to ameliorate problems caused by such policies. Recent Community Mobility Reports published by Google show widespread adherence to social distancing guidelines in high-income countries but smaller changes in mobility trends for workplaces and retail shops in many lower-income countries.
The social distancing and suppression interventions pioneered in Wuhan, China—and now in place throughout Europe and parts of the United States—rely on government support systems. Many workers throughout Europe still receive their salaries, and U.S. taxpayers will receive a stimulus check. By contrast, informal workers in developing countries do not always appear in government and bureaucratic records.
So even in the unlikely event that social insurance policies were implemented in these countries, it is not at all clear how quickly the estimated 50 to 80 percent of workers informally or self-employed in lower-income countries could be located, if at all, to deliver relief benefits to them. In addition, a lockdown may have counterproductive effects if it forces informal sector workers and migrants to reverse-migrate from densely populated urban areas and spread the disease to remote rural areas of poor countries.
Efforts by the Indian government to impose a lockdown already appear to have had significant negative consequences for the most vulnerable members of its population. Interviews with workers from the informal sector tell a story of impending poverty, evictions, and hunger, as their incomes and work opportunities have been curtailed. Migrant laborers in India’s largest cities, now without access to employment, are without food or shelter. Thousands are in the process of literally walking back to their homes, with deaths along the way already being reported. These mortality consequences cannot be ignored when devising public policy strategies to contain the coronavirus
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/10/poor-countries-social-distancing-coronavirus/
The bullshit talk by predatory jack of al trades Gates (and his funded proxies) about vaccine and 'cure' does not make any sense given the recovery rates being recorded on COVID 19. What is already being used to manage the patient is quite effective.
Just because we have cures and vaccines does not stop people dying of diarrhea, show the issue is function health systems which likes of Gates have demolished in the West. Neoliberal govts do not want to invest in functional public services thus the nonsense.QuoteFlattening the epidemiological curve of the coronavirus to buy time until a vaccine can be developed may prove counterproductive for poorer countries if it increases these other causes of mortality. Based on data from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, we found that between 16 percent and 37 percent of households in lower-income countries are food insecure—people who already face hunger and stand to face increasingly dire circumstances if social distancing measures are imposed..
Poorer countries also have limited capacity to enforce distancing guidelines and to ameliorate problems caused by such policies. Recent Community Mobility Reports published by Google show widespread adherence to social distancing guidelines in high-income countries but smaller changes in mobility trends for workplaces and retail shops in many lower-income countries.
The social distancing and suppression interventions pioneered in Wuhan, China—and now in place throughout Europe and parts of the United States—rely on government support systems. Many workers throughout Europe still receive their salaries, and U.S. taxpayers will receive a stimulus check. By contrast, informal workers in developing countries do not always appear in government and bureaucratic records.
So even in the unlikely event that social insurance policies were implemented in these countries, it is not at all clear how quickly the estimated 50 to 80 percent of workers informally or self-employed in lower-income countries could be located, if at all, to deliver relief benefits to them. In addition, a lockdown may have counterproductive effects if it forces informal sector workers and migrants to reverse-migrate from densely populated urban areas and spread the disease to remote rural areas of poor countries.
Efforts by the Indian government to impose a lockdown already appear to have had significant negative consequences for the most vulnerable members of its population. Interviews with workers from the informal sector tell a story of impending poverty, evictions, and hunger, as their incomes and work opportunities have been curtailed. Migrant laborers in India’s largest cities, now without access to employment, are without food or shelter. Thousands are in the process of literally walking back to their homes, with deaths along the way already being reported. These mortality consequences cannot be ignored when devising public policy strategies to contain the coronavirus
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/10/poor-countries-social-distancing-coronavirus/
That Siaya idiot endangered so many people and health workers. Should have been cremated!
Siaya might become another hotspot given the other idiotic priest shit. Seems this sucker was driving even when he had COVID related breathing problems thus the accident. He must have gone insane and couldn't accept the obvious. The family members are also morons - the thing is manageable. The team burying him seems quite mad and rightly so.
That Siaya idiot endangered so many people and health workers. Should have been cremated!
Siaya might become another hotspot given the other idiotic priest shit. Seems this sucker was driving even when he had COVID related breathing problems thus the accident. He must have gone insane and couldn't accept the obvious. The family members are also morons - the thing is manageable. The team burying him seems quite mad and rightly so.
How was it his fault?
Blame his employer for negligence.
You are likely to get another cluster following the KRA manager who perished a few days ago.
Termie and Garliv
I can't find anything supporting the $13K for Covid-19 admission and $39K for ventilators claim. I suggest it should not be taken as a fact.
What I see is two scenarios, insured and uninsured Americans. The guy spoke about Medicare so he probably had in mind the uninsured. Trump wishes to covers testing and treatment for the uninsured but the package is still gray on how to go about this.
https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/estimated-cost-of-treating-the-uninsured-hospitalized-with-covid-19/ (https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/estimated-cost-of-treating-the-uninsured-hospitalized-with-covid-19/)
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/30/deadly-lack-affordable-covid-19-treatment-us (https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/30/deadly-lack-affordable-covid-19-treatment-us)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-treatment-costs.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-treatment-costs.html)
I think the idea that hospitals are rushing to treat Covid-19 cases to get free money is false, but even if it were true it can't explain the explosion of new cases in the US nor deaths unless Covid-19 deaths bring in more money. The bit about how the $39K ventilator fees account for higher deaths is unclear
?s=21This nurse opened up about her 'worst shift' yet, exposing the heartbreaking reality of health care workers fighting the pandemic pic.twitter.com/BD5wziDthm
— NowThis Impact (@nowthisimpact) April 13, 2020
Termie and Garliv
I can't find anything supporting the $13K for Covid-19 admission and $39K for ventilators claim. I suggest it should not be taken as a fact.
What I see is two scenarios, insured and uninsured Americans. The guy spoke about Medicare so he probably had in mind the uninsured. Trump wishes to covers testing and treatment for the uninsured but the package is still gray on how to go about this.
https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/estimated-cost-of-treating-the-uninsured-hospitalized-with-covid-19/ (https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/estimated-cost-of-treating-the-uninsured-hospitalized-with-covid-19/)
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/30/deadly-lack-affordable-covid-19-treatment-us (https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/30/deadly-lack-affordable-covid-19-treatment-us)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-treatment-costs.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-treatment-costs.html)
I think the idea that hospitals are rushing to treat Covid-19 cases to get free money is false, but even if it were true it can't explain the explosion of new cases in the US nor deaths unless Covid-19 deaths bring in more money. The bit about how the $39K ventilator fees account for higher deaths is unclear
I was pretty sure about that. I was giving Garliv a chance to share something that might make me reconsider my position.
And yes, I believe there is a connection between money and prescription of certain drugs. I have seen evidence of that. This particular medicare "scam" does not compute though.
That Siaya idiot endangered so many people and health workers. Should have been cremated!
Siaya might become another hotspot given the other idiotic priest shit. Seems this sucker was driving even when he had COVID related breathing problems thus the accident. He must have gone insane and couldn't accept the obvious. The family members are also morons - the thing is manageable. The team burying him seems quite mad and rightly so.
Here's an epidemiologist who thinks Covid-19 isn't a big deal and people should be let to mingle so as to attain herd immunity and move on.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/
Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”[/u]
Oh my... I was right!!!
Herd immunity is achieved when everyone is immune to the disease. A vaccine or plasma can make that possible, but nothing yet. Letting the disease kill everyone in order to achieve immunity is a Trump idea.
Keep reading dumb articles so that you can be dumber..
CARES ACT SECTION 4409. Where hospitals are compensated 15% more should they admit or loses a patient to Covid-19. That is incentive enough and there enough credible stories of doctors questioning a lot to do with Coronavirus and how numbers are added up or even tested. But then 80% chances you'd dismiss them as conspiratorial.
NB: Amazingly CARES ACT (US version of Coronavirus Relief Package) is mostly a rescue package for Wall Street. Lots of Trillions to rescue corporate America while they mail $1,200 to the vulnerable. Uhuru also came up with a "rescue package" which wanainchi didn't understand but corporate sector can as easily celebrate.
SEC. 4409. MEDICARE HOSPITAL INPATIENT PROSPECTIVE PAYMENT SYSTEM ADD-ON PAYMENT FOR COVID–19 PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY PERIOD.
(a) In General.—Section 1886(d)(4)(C) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395ww(d)(4)(C)) is amended by adding at the end the following new clause:
“(iv) (I) For discharges occurring during the emergency period described in section 1135(g)(1)(B), in the case of a discharge that has a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID–19, the Secretary shall increase the weighting factor for each diagnosis-related group (with such a principal or secondary diagnosis) by 15 percent.
“(II) Any adjustment under subclause (I) shall not be taken into account in applying budget neutrality under clause (iii).”.
(b) Implementation.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary may implement the amendment made by subsection (a) by program instruction or otherwise.Termie and Garliv
I can't find anything supporting the $13K for Covid-19 admission and $39K for ventilators claim. I suggest it should not be taken as a fact.
What I see is two scenarios, insured and uninsured Americans. The guy spoke about Medicare so he probably had in mind the uninsured. Trump wishes to covers testing and treatment for the uninsured but the package is still gray on how to go about this.
https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/estimated-cost-of-treating-the-uninsured-hospitalized-with-covid-19/ (https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/estimated-cost-of-treating-the-uninsured-hospitalized-with-covid-19/)
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/30/deadly-lack-affordable-covid-19-treatment-us (https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/30/deadly-lack-affordable-covid-19-treatment-us)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-treatment-costs.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-coronavirus-treatment-costs.html)
I think the idea that hospitals are rushing to treat Covid-19 cases to get free money is false, but even if it were true it can't explain the explosion of new cases in the US nor deaths unless Covid-19 deaths bring in more money. The bit about how the $39K ventilator fees account for higher deaths is unclear
I was pretty sure about that. I was giving Garliv a chance to share something that might make me reconsider my position.
And yes, I believe there is a connection between money and prescription of certain drugs. I have seen evidence of that. This particular medicare "scam" does not compute though.
CARES ACT SECTION 4409. Where hospitals are compensated 15% more should they admit or loses a patient to Covid-19. That is incentive enough and there enough credible stories of doctors questioning a lot to do with Coronavirus and how numbers are added up or even tested. But then 80% chances you'd dismiss them as conspiratorial.
NB: Amazingly CARES ACT (US version of Coronavirus Relief Package) is mostly a rescue package for Wall Street. Lots of Trillions to rescue corporate America while they mail $1,200 to the vulnerable. Uhuru also came up with a "rescue package" which wanainchi didn't understand but corporate sector can as easily celebrate.
SEC. 4409. MEDICARE HOSPITAL INPATIENT PROSPECTIVE PAYMENT SYSTEM ADD-ON PAYMENT FOR COVID–19 PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY PERIOD.
(a) In General.—Section 1886(d)(4)(C) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395ww(d)(4)(C)) is amended by adding at the end the following new clause:
“(iv) (I) For discharges occurring during the emergency period described in section 1135(g)(1)(B), in the case of a discharge that has a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID–19, the Secretary shall increase the weighting factor for each diagnosis-related group (with such a principal or secondary diagnosis) by 15 percent.
“(II) Any adjustment under subclause (I) shall not be taken into account in applying budget neutrality under clause (iii).”.
(b) Implementation.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary may implement the amendment made by subsection (a) by program instruction or otherwise.I was pretty sure about that. I was giving Garliv a chance to share something that might make me reconsider my position.
And yes, I believe there is a connection between money and prescription of certain drugs. I have seen evidence of that. This particular medicare "scam" does not compute though.
Like I said before, I refused to believe the 'it's exaggerated' line because I checked and found annual flu mortalities in Italy are 8,000 and that's less than half of what Covid has done in Italy in a matter of weeks. In addition, their healthcare system has been collapsing and doctors improvising third-world style coz they've run out of ventilators. There's just no way something hasn't gone drastically wrong in a NEW way, and that this is all just a misunderstanding of data. Those deaths and people needing help just to breathe all at once are not made up.
CARES ACT SECTION 4409. Where hospitals are compensated 15% more should they admit or loses a patient to Covid-19. That is incentive enough and there enough credible stories of doctors questioning a lot to do with Coronavirus and how numbers are added up or even tested. But then 80% chances you'd dismiss them as conspiratorial.
NB: Amazingly CARES ACT (US version of Coronavirus Relief Package) is mostly a rescue package for Wall Street. Lots of Trillions to rescue corporate America while they mail $1,200 to the vulnerable. Uhuru also came up with a "rescue package" which wanainchi didn't understand but corporate sector can as easily celebrate.
SEC. 4409. MEDICARE HOSPITAL INPATIENT PROSPECTIVE PAYMENT SYSTEM ADD-ON PAYMENT FOR COVID–19 PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY PERIOD.
(a) In General.—Section 1886(d)(4)(C) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395ww(d)(4)(C)) is amended by adding at the end the following new clause:
“(iv) (I) For discharges occurring during the emergency period described in section 1135(g)(1)(B), in the case of a discharge that has a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID–19, the Secretary shall increase the weighting factor for each diagnosis-related group (with such a principal or secondary diagnosis) by 15 percent.
“(II) Any adjustment under subclause (I) shall not be taken into account in applying budget neutrality under clause (iii).”.
(b) Implementation.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary may implement the amendment made by subsection (a) by program instruction or otherwise.I was pretty sure about that. I was giving Garliv a chance to share something that might make me reconsider my position.
And yes, I believe there is a connection between money and prescription of certain drugs. I have seen evidence of that. This particular medicare "scam" does not compute though.
It looks like the idea is to fund medicare to handle an anticipated covid-19 spike during the emergency. Medicare covers seniors and already has a budget that does not cover covid-19. The bill addresses that far as I can tell. I think we can agree that is reasonable. If you don't do that, hospitals are going to be in a bind.
You are saying it can be abused. But that is not the same as saying it has been abused. It would be a bit like accusing the school bursar of stealing money, because he can. Hospitals in the US have chains of accountability that make such abuse unlikely.
Like I said before, I refused to believe the 'it's exaggerated' line because I checked and found annual flu mortalities in Italy are 8,000 and that's less than half of what Covid has done in Italy in a matter of weeks. In addition, their healthcare system has been collapsing and doctors improvising third-world style coz they've run out of ventilators. There's just no way something hasn't gone drastically wrong in a NEW way, and that this is all just a misunderstanding of data. Those deaths and people needing help just to breathe all at once are not made up.
Like I said before, I refused to believe the 'it's exaggerated' line because I checked and found annual flu mortalities in Italy are 8,000 and that's less than half of what Covid has done in Italy in a matter of weeks. In addition, their healthcare system has been collapsing and doctors improvising third-world style coz they've run out of ventilators. There's just no way something hasn't gone drastically wrong in a NEW way, and that this is all just a misunderstanding of data. Those deaths and people needing help just to breathe all at once are not made up.There's definitely something in the air, but a lot of those fatalities could be the result of underlying conditions complicated by panic, anxiety and chaos which have also ended up overwhelming the existing services, making everything worse. It's a vicious cycle.
CARES ACT SECTION 4409. Where hospitals are compensated 15% more should they admit or loses a patient to Covid-19. That is incentive enough and there enough credible stories of doctors questioning a lot to do with Coronavirus and how numbers are added up or even tested. But then 80% chances you'd dismiss them as conspiratorial.
NB: Amazingly CARES ACT (US version of Coronavirus Relief Package) is mostly a rescue package for Wall Street. Lots of Trillions to rescue corporate America while they mail $1,200 to the vulnerable. Uhuru also came up with a "rescue package" which wanainchi didn't understand but corporate sector can as easily celebrate.
SEC. 4409. MEDICARE HOSPITAL INPATIENT PROSPECTIVE PAYMENT SYSTEM ADD-ON PAYMENT FOR COVID–19 PATIENTS DURING EMERGENCY PERIOD.
(a) In General.—Section 1886(d)(4)(C) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395ww(d)(4)(C)) is amended by adding at the end the following new clause:
“(iv) (I) For discharges occurring during the emergency period described in section 1135(g)(1)(B), in the case of a discharge that has a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID–19, the Secretary shall increase the weighting factor for each diagnosis-related group (with such a principal or secondary diagnosis) by 15 percent.
“(II) Any adjustment under subclause (I) shall not be taken into account in applying budget neutrality under clause (iii).”.
(b) Implementation.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary may implement the amendment made by subsection (a) by program instruction or otherwise.I was pretty sure about that. I was giving Garliv a chance to share something that might make me reconsider my position.
And yes, I believe there is a connection between money and prescription of certain drugs. I have seen evidence of that. This particular medicare "scam" does not compute though.
It looks like the idea is to fund medicare to handle an anticipated covid-19 spike during the emergency. Medicare covers seniors and already has a budget that does not cover covid-19. The bill addresses that far as I can tell. I think we can agree that is reasonable. If you don't do that, hospitals are going to be in a bind.
You are saying it can be abused. But that is not the same as saying it has been abused. It would be a bit like accusing the school bursar of stealing money, because he can. Hospitals in the US have chains of accountability that make such abuse unlikely.
Bit
do you realize this person has a mental health problem.
If you don’t believe me just listen to his Arguments and trumps
Trump has suspended US donations to WHO for bizarre reasons... this bloke is crazy.
In the meantime China has doubled down on covid diplomacy.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktnnews/video/2000187920/kenya-receives-medical-consignment-from-jack-ma-to-help-fight-coronavirus
Trump has suspended US donations to WHO for bizarre reasons... this bloke is crazy.
In the meantime China has doubled down on covid diplomacy.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktnnews/video/2000187920/kenya-receives-medical-consignment-from-jack-ma-to-help-fight-coronavirus
Trump has suspended US donations to WHO for bizarre reasons... this bloke is crazy.
In the meantime China has doubled down on covid diplomacy.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktnnews/video/2000187920/kenya-receives-medical-consignment-from-jack-ma-to-help-fight-coronavirus
US’ share of WHO’s budget is pocket change at I think $200M. Kung Fu man could easily pick the tabs and move on without Trump
Where is Garliv?
Trump is solidly behind the CDC's methodologies, a rare departure from his Fox base who are advancing this over-counting narrative
Check from.about 1:51:20
WHO/Tedros have mishandled the crisis. Tedros and WHO are going down. China can't take tabs for salaries being paid in Geneva.
https://www.who.int/about/finances-accountability/reports/en/Trump has suspended US donations to WHO for bizarre reasons... this bloke is crazy.
In the meantime China has doubled down on covid diplomacy.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ktnnews/video/2000187920/kenya-receives-medical-consignment-from-jack-ma-to-help-fight-coronavirus
US’ share of WHO’s budget is pocket change at I think $200M. Kung Fu man could easily pick the tabs and move on without Trump
I don't support Trump just for the sake of it. He's wrong in this.
So New York added 3,700 deaths to Covid-19 even though those were specifically NEVER TESTED for Covid-19 but ASSUMED. And you believe that is reasonable and scientific way of recording deaths? In this 21st century and in all places, the US? Even in Kenya it's sophisticated enough to ascertain cause of death in outposts medical centres without wholesome assumption.
The story is all over including New York Times which you'd believe.
But never mind, am being conspiratorial..Where is Garliv?
Trump is solidly behind the CDC's methodologies, a rare departure from his Fox base who are advancing this over-counting narrative
Check from.about 1:51:20
I don't support Trump just for the sake of it. He's wrong in this.
So New York added 3,700 deaths to Covid-19 even though those were specifically NEVER TESTED for Covid-19 but ASSUMED. And you believe that is reasonable and scientific way of recording deaths? In this 21st century and in all places, the US? Even in Kenya it's sophisticated enough to ascertain cause of death in outposts medical centres without wholesome assumption.
The story is all over including New York Times which you'd believe.
But never mind, am being conspiratorial..Where is Garliv?
Trump is solidly behind the CDC's methodologies, a rare departure from his Fox base who are advancing this over-counting narrative
Check from.about 1:51:20
I don't support Trump just for the sake of it. He's wrong in this.
So New York added 3,700 deaths to Covid-19 even though those were specifically NEVER TESTED for Covid-19 but ASSUMED. And you believe that is reasonable and scientific way of recording deaths? In this 21st century and in all places, the US? Even in Kenya it's sophisticated enough to ascertain cause of death in outposts medical centres without wholesome assumption.
The story is all over including New York Times which you'd believe.
But never mind, am being conspiratorial..Where is Garliv?
Trump is solidly behind the CDC's methodologies, a rare departure from his Fox base who are advancing this over-counting narrative
Check from.about 1:51:20
Can you share a link?
Can you share a link?
https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-revises-coronavirus-death-205328540.html (https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-revises-coronavirus-death-205328540.html)
On Tuesday, the city's health department released a revised COVID-19 death count that included those who were not tested but were presumed to have died from the disease. That added an additional 3,700 people, bumping the city's total count well over 10,000 coronavirus fatalities.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485925-new-york-coronavirus-deaths/ (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485925-new-york-coronavirus-deaths/)
New York City has increased its officially recorded number of Covid-19 victims by more than 40 percent, after making the presumption that people found dead in their homes who had never tested positive for the virus had died of it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur)
New York City, already a world epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, sharply increased its death toll by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday, after officials said they were now including people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it.
Can you share a link?
https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-revises-coronavirus-death-205328540.html
On Tuesday, the city's health department released a revised COVID-19 death count that included those who were not tested but were presumed to have died from the disease. That added an additional 3,700 people, bumping the city's total count well over 10,000 coronavirus fatalities.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485925-new-york-coronavirus-deaths/
New York City has increased its officially recorded number of Covid-19 victims by more than 40 percent, after making the presumption that people found dead in their homes who had never tested positive for the virus had died of it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
New York City, already a world epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, sharply increased its death toll by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday, after officials said they were now including people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it.
Can you share a link?
Isn’t it obvious not everyone who dies is tested? If a patient is exhibiting Covid-19 symptoms and they perish it seems sensible to presume they died of it,and to carry out contact tracing and all. Given the limited resources(testing kits) it seems wasteful testing dead bodies for purposes of record keeping and nothing else.
Wuhan revised their dead upwards and I’m reading UK nursing home deaths may be 7K and not 1400 as reported.
Nobody really gains in reporting these deaths unless you can show me how
Fortunately not everyone has such a cavalier attitude towards data collection especially when such data is used to declare pandemic and shut down economies, lockdown daily life and have de facto haouse arrest for millions. And all the while "we are waiting for vaccine....."
Secondly, that "simple act" of declaring 4k deaths as presumed Covid-19 after the fact raises a lot of questions. Serious ones. Like for example, if indeed these deaths were/are "excess deaths" (meaning they surpass average number of expected deaths with that period), how come no one noticed? And don't tell me 4k excess deaths in NY would not be noticed or invite a lot of question and worry from State government, hospitals and federal governments and hosts of other government agencies. Another important question is, since these 4k deaths didn't happen within an hour or a day, what was recorded before as the cause? And why change from that to Covid-19?
And please don't give us that "if someone exhibit Covid-19 symptoms then it is reasonable to register such a death as a result of Covid-19..." Because a host of other diseases and conditions have similar symptoms or combination of those symptoms. Check symptoms for Zinc deficiency and compare them with what they say are Covid-19 synptoms. Or even flu symptoms.
For the UK, I leave you with a longer quotation by Prof. John Lee a recently retired professor of pathology and a former NHS consultant pathologist.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think
But there’s another, potentially even more serious problem: the way that deaths are recorded. If someone dies of a respiratory infection in the UK, the specific cause of the infection is not usually recorded, unless the illness is a rare ‘notifiable disease’. So the vast majority of respiratory deaths in the UK are recorded as bronchopneumonia, pneumonia, old age or a similar designation. We don’t really test for flu, or other seasonal infections. If the patient has, say, cancer, motor neurone disease or another serious disease, this will be recorded as the cause of death, even if the final illness was a respiratory infection. This means UK certifications normally under-record deaths due to respiratory infections.
Now look at what has happened since the emergence of Covid-19. The list of notifiable diseases has been updated. This list — as well as containing smallpox (which has been extinct for many years) and conditions such as anthrax, brucellosis, plague and rabies (which most UK doctors will never see in their entire careers) — has now been amended to include Covid-19. But not flu. That means every positive test for Covid-19 must be notified, in a way that it just would not be for flu or most other infections.
In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate — contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind. There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes. Making Covid-19 notifiable might give the appearance of it causing increasing numbers of deaths, whether this is true or not. It might appear far more of a killer than flu, simply because of the way deaths are recorded.Isn’t it obvious not everyone who dies is tested? If a patient is exhibiting Covid-19 symptoms and they perish it seems sensible to presume they died of it,and to carry out contact tracing and all. Given the limited resources(testing kits) it seems wasteful testing dead bodies for purposes of record keeping and nothing else.
Wuhan revised their dead upwards and I’m reading UK nursing home deaths may be 7K and not 1400 as reported.
Nobody really gains in reporting these deaths unless you can show me how
?s=21#Covid_19 Statistics in South Africa as at 27 April 2020. pic.twitter.com/DPWhafTs7D
— Zweli Mkhize (@DrZweliMkhize) April 27, 2020
People are dying in Northern Nigeria. At least 600 so far and Nigerias gov aren't even testing.
Brazil hit a record high for new coronavirus cases Wednesday, after becoming the country with the third-highest number of confirmed cases in the world earlier this week.https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/americas/brazil-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/americas/brazil-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html)
The country's health ministry reported 19,951 new cases in the previous 24 hours, bringing the total to 291,579 confirmed cases.
This new surge tops the previous record set Tuesday. Reported deaths caused by coronavirus also increased by 888 on Wednesday, bringing to the country's total to 18,859 deaths, the ministry said.
Brazil is similar to Africa(geography-wise - climate/latitude). And they are seeing a surge. They have a Trump analogue in power. Stupid and proud of it. @vooke, Maybe Africa is not over-reacting.QuoteBrazil hit a record high for new coronavirus cases Wednesday, after becoming the country with the third-highest number of confirmed cases in the world earlier this week.https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/americas/brazil-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/americas/brazil-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html)
The country's health ministry reported 19,951 new cases in the previous 24 hours, bringing the total to 291,579 confirmed cases.
This new surge tops the previous record set Tuesday. Reported deaths caused by coronavirus also increased by 888 on Wednesday, bringing to the country's total to 18,859 deaths, the ministry said.