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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Pragmatic on January 13, 2020, 02:04:41 PM
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How else would you like us to describe this divorce? It has been slow and all too apparent but your boy lives in his own world and is still in denial. Meantime you wax lyrical how he is a genius and how Babu is being played.
.......“His personal clothes and other personal belongings had already been put in various rooms. It is essentially a home and, therefore, his personal effects were in place that morning. Around 4pm, a call came from a senior government official to the government employees there that all the DP’s personal effects should be removed. It was shocker,” said a source.
Mr Ruto was forced to look for accommodation at English Point Marina in Nyali, where he spent the night. He came back to Nairobi the following day......
When you find your "viragos" being thrown out through the balcony or packed in a polythene bag and left with the watchman at the gate, know that she is done, really done with you!
Robina doesn't have to spend so many hours and responses trying to make you see the obvious.....
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-locked-out-of-official-residence/1064-5415094-view-asAMP-83oe3m/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
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BBI was the watershed moment - the rest are frustration from Raila wing of Jubilee gov (Kibicho-matiangi-nancy group). Those are just a few misguided civil servants abusing Uhuru gov. Their time to be fired will come.
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@Pragmatic,
Some of us predicted this in 2013 :D.
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This was a marriage conceived in hell for the sake of escaping the dungeons of ICC. It was bound to fail from day one.
@Pragmatic,
Some of us predicted this in 2013 :D.
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Fake news? If not then how powerful is kibicho to pull this off ? Kibicho is uhuru period. Ruto was/is supposed to be ruthless, focused warrior, how did he take this lying down?
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If you focus on the superficial you'll not distinguish the trees from the forest.There is a reason why Raila like jaramogi never became pork and why Ruto like Moi will Nick it.This is high level game being played here. BBI outcome should have convinced you about Uhuru real intentions but since you didn't get it BBI have been given another six months to keep you very engaged & hopefully.Somebody is being played and it's not Ruto.Its Raila. Uhuru has three teams working at cross purposes...one team job which they don't even know is to keep Raila busy n happy..the other team led by Ruto & Kiunjuri have a thro ball to counter Raila..and you have moderated like kinyua doing the gov business.Good cop & bad cop kind of arrangement. If Uhuru wanted to play politics...he knows how to do it..it not by antagonising his support base and abandoning the political class for Ruto.This the kind of high level siasa people like Raila or Kalonzo or maDVD cannot hack.Watch Ruto become PoRK.
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I am worried about you my friend. You are not taking this too well.
If you focus on the superficial you'll not distinguish the trees from the forest.There is a reason why Raila like jaramogi never became pork and why Ruto like Moi will Nick it.This is high level game being played here. BBI outcome should have convinced you about Uhuru real intentions but since you didn't get it BBI have been given another six months to keep you very engaged & hopefully.Somebody is being played and it's not Ruto.Its Raila. Uhuru has three teams working at cross purposes...one team job which they don't even know is to keep Raila busy n happy..the other team led by Ruto & Kiunjuri have a thro ball to counter Raila..and you have moderated like kinyua doing the gov business.Good cop & bad cop kind of arrangement. If Uhuru wanted to play politics...he knows how to do it..it not by antagonising his support base and abandoning the political class for Ruto.This the kind of high level siasa people like Raila or Kalonzo or maDVD cannot hack.Watch Ruto become PoRK.
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This comment did not age very well....kiunjuri waiting for through ball..pick and roll..only to be handed a red card
If you focus on the superficial you'll not distinguish the trees from the forest.There is a reason why Raila like jaramogi never became pork and why Ruto like Moi will Nick it.This is high level game being played here. BBI outcome should have convinced you about Uhuru real intentions but since you didn't get it BBI have been given another six months to keep you very engaged & hopefully.Somebody is being played and it's not Ruto.Its Raila. Uhuru has three teams working at cross purposes...one team job which they don't even know is to keep Raila busy n happy..the other team led by Ruto & Kiunjuri have a thro ball to counter Raila..and you have moderated like kinyua doing the gov business.Good cop & bad cop kind of arrangement. If Uhuru wanted to play politics...he knows how to do it..it not by antagonising his support base and abandoning the political class for Ruto.This the kind of high level siasa people like Raila or Kalonzo or maDVD cannot hack.Watch Ruto become PoRK.
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Lol Pragmatic... that mpango wa kando analogy :D
The "senior government official" that threw Ruto out of DP mini-SH in Mombasa must be Kinuthia Mbugua who runs state lodges. Ruto kicked him out of Nakuru thru Jubilee mlolongo. Poetic.
Pundit is right about heavy-handed Jezebel crew that abuse power. This happened in Jomo sunset days where AG Charles Njonjo and Interior Minister Mbiyu Koinange fought viciously to control the succession. Koinange sought to amend katiba and crown himself... this he did by BBI-esque schemes and embarassing Moi by slashing his budget, docket, etc and Ngoroko elite police squad searches and raids at Moi official and personal houses. Njonjo could not save Moi physically but thwarted Koinange by scuttling his BBI. Moi laid low like an envelope and sneaked through the crossfire. Jomo was senile, bed-ridden and oblivious to all of it.
The case scenario today is entirely different. Ruto is not wise "coward" Moi. Uhuru is not senile or sick and there is no Koinange vs Njonjo war. Matiang'i, Kibicho, Jezebel are Uhuru dogs not rogue machinery. It is more like Jomo vs Moi.
Loyal vs rogue machinery - Pundit's whole spin.
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As an armchair analyst, the plot is not that sophisticated: From the day Orengo at BBI launch make the remarks, "mark my words, the the lake will unite with the mountain", it became obvious that BBI is being crafted to enable a super party created out of ODM and what will be left of Jubilee and perhaps inclusion of Gideon Moi's KANU and Kalonzo's Watermelon party. The idea being that kamwana will head this coalition thereby automatically confirming him PM- a brazen ichwari version of a Putin-Medvedev tandemocracy. UK got to terms with the fact that a party with Rao on the outside would be another hard fought battle and that is something he should avoid least ..... (well you know). The said coalition will steam-roll any formation Luto can come up with even WITHOUT the need to rig because from 2017 results RV only contributed 1.3M votes to Jubilee vote tally. On RAO's part, all he wants is to enter statehouse :(. Having tried and tried and seeing age catching up, he just wants to do one better than his late dad, Jaramogi. UK does really like his job but has his reason(s) for wanting to remain relevant in the political dispensation beyond 2022 (as I mentioned up there - you know).
With the disadvantage Luto suddely finds himself, he will be looking for allies from unlikely quarters. Sijui anatafuta nini exactly in Sudan where he jetted out today. MM has noble ideals but to navigate the political maze that is Kenya once he gets in, he will find himself in a symbiotic relation with this Luto camp - A few of MM tweets so far do not rule out that possibility. SO WHO ARE THE LOSERS in all this? The Kenyan people of course - 45M or so of them... This country needs to see the back of dynasties and fake hustlers before it can turn a new leaf! The Youth should be now taking control of the destiny of this Nation so that tomorrow when their turn comes to be in control, their arrival at helm is at the helm of a Kenya they wanted to find in the first place - not a scotched piece of earth. Sadly though, instead of looking out for themselves, they are stuck following either the 'dynasties' or the 'hustlers'. It will be their loss - na bado.
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As an armchair analyst, the plot is not that sophisticated: From the day Orengo at BBI launch make the remarks, "mark my words, the the lake will unite with the mountain", it became obvious that BBI is being crafted to enable a super party created out of ODM and what will be left of Jubilee and perhaps inclusion of Gideon Moi's KANU and Kalonzo's Watermelon party. The idea being that kamwana will head this coalition thereby automatically confirming him PM. Something that seems to mirror an ichwari version of a Putin-Medvedev scheme. UK got to terms with the fact that a party with Rao on the outside would be another hard fought battle and that is something he should avoid least ..... (well you know). The said coalition will steam-roll any formation Luto can come up with even WITHOUT the need to rig because from 2017 results RV only contributed 1.3M votes to Jubilee vote tally. On RAO's part, all he wants is to enter statehouse :(. Having tried and tried and seeing age catching up, he just wants to do one better than his late dad, Jaramogi. UK does really like his job but has his reason(s) for wanting to remain relevant in the political dispensation beyond 2022 (as I mentioned up there - you know).
With the disadvantage Luto suddely finds himself, he will be looking for allies from unlikely quarters. Sijui anatafuta nini exactly in Sudan where he jetted out today. MM has noble ideals but to navigate the political maze that is Kenya once he gets in, he will find himself in a symbiotic relation with this Luto camp - A few of MM tweets so far do not rule out that possibility. SO WHO ARE THE LOSERS in all this? The Kenyan people of course - 45M or so of them... This country needs to see the back of dynasties and fake hustlers before it can turn a new leaf! The Youth should be now taking control of the destiny of this Nation so that tomorrow when their turn comes to be in control, their arrival at helm is at the helm of a Kenya they wanted to find in the first place - not a scotched piece of earth. Sadly though, instead of looking out for themselves, they are stuck following either the 'dynasties' or the 'hustlers'. It will be their loss - na bado.
William Ruto is the biggest loser. I see a silver lining for Wanjiku and Khadija in the fairer, stabler, equitable parliamentary model. Don't credit the youth unfairly with sterling acumen or enterprise sabotaged by the dynasties or fake hustlers. The Kenyan is only as good as his chosen leadership. Although it is for purely selfish reasons, atoning sins of the father by reintroducing parliamentary federalism will be the best Uhuru legacy. That and kicking Ruto the snake out of the garden.
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As an armchair analyst, the plot is not that sophisticated: From the day Orengo at BBI launch make the remarks, "mark my words, the the lake will unite with the mountain", it became obvious that BBI is being crafted to enable a super party created out of ODM and what will be left of Jubilee and perhaps inclusion of Gideon Moi's KANU and Kalonzo's Watermelon party. The idea being that kamwana will head this coalition thereby automatically confirming him PM. Something that seems to mirror an ichwari version of a Putin-Medvedev scheme. UK got to terms with the fact that a party with Rao on the outside would be another hard fought battle and that is something he should avoid least ..... (well you know). The said coalition will steam-roll any formation Luto can come up with even WITHOUT the need to rig because from 2017 results RV only contributed 1.3M votes to Jubilee vote tally. On RAO's part, all he wants is to enter statehouse :(. Having tried and tried and seeing age catching up, he just wants to do one better than his late dad, Jaramogi. UK does really like his job but has his reason(s) for wanting to remain relevant in the political dispensation beyond 2022 (as I mentioned up there - you know).
With the disadvantage Luto suddely finds himself, he will be looking for allies from unlikely quarters. Sijui anatafuta nini exactly in Sudan where he jetted out today. MM has noble ideals but to navigate the political maze that is Kenya once he gets in, he will find himself in a symbiotic relation with this Luto camp - A few of MM tweets so far do not rule out that possibility. SO WHO ARE THE LOSERS in all this? The Kenyan people of course - 45M or so of them... This country needs to see the back of dynasties and fake hustlers before it can turn a new leaf! The Youth should be now taking control of the destiny of this Nation so that tomorrow when their turn comes to be in control, their arrival at helm is at the helm of a Kenya they wanted to find in the first place - not a scotched piece of earth. Sadly though, instead of looking out for themselves, they are stuck following either the 'dynasties' or the 'hustlers'. It will be their loss - na bado.
William Ruto is the biggest loser. I see a silver lining for Wanjiku and Khadija in the fairer, stabler, equitable parliamentary model. Don't credit the youth unfairly with sterling acumen or enterprise sabotaged by the dynasties or fake hustlers. The Kenyan is only as good as his chosen leadership. Although it is for purely selfish reasons, atoning sins of the father by reintroducing parliamentary federalism will be the best Uhuru legacy. That and kicking Ruto the snake out of the garden.
I am not crediting the Youth ... If anything, I am admonishing them to wake up, smell the coffee and prepare for a Kenya they want. A country of 47M with only 2.5M in formal employment does not augur well for their future. The call for that 'chosen leadership' has to be made by them ... they need to identify and support a leader who is looking out for Kenya ... looking ahead 30 -50 years and not be limited to the choices they have now of so called "political invincibles" that traditional media has been cowed to report on only.
The country is bigger than an individual. You seem fixated with this individual like it is almost personal ... like he ate your goat. Even if Luto fails in his bid to be pork, he will live out the rest of his life like Biwott courtesy of a Njonjo style presidential pardon, so as not to antagonize clansmens of @RVpundit. The man will have few regrets. He has stolen so much and lived like a king during the best years of his life. Money is subject to the law of diminishing returns. At a critical tipping point no extra shilling can improve the quality of your life. You may lose access to govt facilities but you won’t change where you live, you won’t change the bed you sleep on you, won’t change your TV, you won’t change your phone. He will have no more pull for politics.
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Unfortunately the youth are no better equipped to solve the problems of the youth or that of the whole country. The only division that hold any political consequence is the tribe. The other divisions such as youth, gender and income are no match to the tribe. At the end of the day, everyone troops back to their tribal caves.
As an armchair analyst, the plot is not that sophisticated: From the day Orengo at BBI launch make the remarks, "mark my words, the the lake will unite with the mountain", it became obvious that BBI is being crafted to enable a super party created out of ODM and what will be left of Jubilee and perhaps inclusion of Gideon Moi's KANU and Kalonzo's Watermelon party. The idea being that kamwana will head this coalition thereby automatically confirming him PM. Something that seems to mirror an ichwari version of a Putin-Medvedev scheme. UK got to terms with the fact that a party with Rao on the outside would be another hard fought battle and that is something he should avoid least ..... (well you know). The said coalition will steam-roll any formation Luto can come up with even WITHOUT the need to rig because from 2017 results RV only contributed 1.3M votes to Jubilee vote tally. On RAO's part, all he wants is to enter statehouse :(. Having tried and tried and seeing age catching up, he just wants to do one better than his late dad, Jaramogi. UK does really like his job but has his reason(s) for wanting to remain relevant in the political dispensation beyond 2022 (as I mentioned up there - you know).
With the disadvantage Luto suddely finds himself, he will be looking for allies from unlikely quarters. Sijui anatafuta nini exactly in Sudan where he jetted out today. MM has noble ideals but to navigate the political maze that is Kenya once he gets in, he will find himself in a symbiotic relation with this Luto camp - A few of MM tweets so far do not rule out that possibility. SO WHO ARE THE LOSERS in all this? The Kenyan people of course - 45M or so of them... This country needs to see the back of dynasties and fake hustlers before it can turn a new leaf! The Youth should be now taking control of the destiny of this Nation so that tomorrow when their turn comes to be in control, their arrival at helm is at the helm of a Kenya they wanted to find in the first place - not a scotched piece of earth. Sadly though, instead of looking out for themselves, they are stuck following either the 'dynasties' or the 'hustlers'. It will be their loss - na bado.
William Ruto is the biggest loser. I see a silver lining for Wanjiku and Khadija in the fairer, stabler, equitable parliamentary model. Don't credit the youth unfairly with sterling acumen or enterprise sabotaged by the dynasties or fake hustlers. The Kenyan is only as good as his chosen leadership. Although it is for purely selfish reasons, atoning sins of the father by reintroducing parliamentary federalism will be the best Uhuru legacy. That and kicking Ruto the snake out of the garden.
I am not crediting the Youth ... If anything, I am admonishing them to wake up, smell the coffee and prepare for a Kenya they want. A country of 47M with only 2.5M in formal employment does not augur well for their future. The call for that 'chosen leadership' has to be made by them ... they need to identify and support a leader who is looking out for Kenya ... looking ahead 30 -50 years and not be limited to the choices they have now of so called "political invincibles" that traditional media has been cowed to report on only.
The country is bigger than an individual. You seem fixated with this individual like it is almost personal ... like he ate your goat. Even if Luto fails in his bid to be pork, he will live out the rest of his life like Biwott courtesy of a Njonjo style presidential pardon, so as not to antagonize clansmens of @RVpundit. The man will have few regrets. He has stolen so much and lived like a king during the best years of his life. Money is subject to the law of diminishing returns. At a critical tipping point no extra shilling can improve the quality of your life. You may lose access to govt facilities but you won’t change where you live, you won’t change the bed you sleep on you, won’t change your TV, you won’t change your phone. He will have no more pull for politics.
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Odm go slow..very slow.. unless there is some breaking news on of Uhuru joining odm
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I am not crediting the Youth ... If anything, I am admonishing them to wake up, smell the coffee and prepare for a Kenya they want. A country of 47M with only 2.5M in formal employment does not augur well for their future. The call for that 'chosen leadership' has to be made by them ... they need to identify and support a leader who is looking out for Kenya ... looking ahead 30 -50 years and not be limited to the choices they have now of so called "political invincibles" that traditional media has been cowed to report on only.
The country is bigger than an individual. You seem fixated with this individual like it is almost personal ... like he ate your goat. Even if Luto fails in his bid to be pork, he will live out the rest of his life like Biwott courtesy of a Njonjo style presidential pardon, so as not to antagonize clansmens of @RVpundit. The man will have few regrets. He has stolen so much and lived like a king during the best years of his life. Money is subject to the law of diminishing returns. At a critical tipping point no extra shilling can improve the quality of your life. You may lose access to govt facilities but you won’t change where you live, you won’t change the bed you sleep on you, won’t change your TV, you won’t change your phone. He will have no more pull for politics.
:) audacity i may be stuck on the personal but not so quintessentially. Ruto raised our redflags with his thrifty runaway rot. I don't mind the billions he has racked as much as his carting and dishing hard currency fwaa. Anafunza vijana wizi. He can retire rich and ship off to Bermuda who cares. I doubt his Tanga Tanga will be allowed to address any more gatherings in Mt Kenya going by the wembe and nyahunyo i have seen being unleashed by the Kibicho mboys.
The system is more useful ultimately. The same one that keeps him safe despite the backstabbing. In tribalized Kenya you need to address the tyranny problem by parliamentary federalism. So i rather Uhuru continues as Exec PM than Raila as imperial president. It is a small price to pay. This is the one instance where Kenyatta greed might pay off: he will ignore Kikuyu fears for personal gain.
No, I don't give a damn about WSR if only he recants his evil designs. He must leave Kenya alone. We would trade him for a stray dog without ado.
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We are all waiting for the Jubilee elections... going by the present mayhem over mere BBI. The spring promises real entertainment.
Odm go slow..very slow.. unless there is some breaking news on of Uhuru joining odm
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We are all waiting for the Jubilee elections... going by the present mayhem over mere BBI. The spring promises real entertainment.
Odm go slow..very slow.. unless there is some breaking news on of Uhuru joining odm
Yes Ruto Kiunjuri just need some party to launch their 2022 bid against the perennial loser who has scattered NASA to the four winds.But I guess jubilee is on such serious trouble..
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We are all waiting for the Jubilee elections... going by the present mayhem over mere BBI. The spring promises real entertainment.
Odm go slow..very slow.. unless there is some breaking news on of Uhuru joining odm
Yes Ruto Kiunjuri just need some party to launch their 2022 bid against the perennial loser who has scattered NASA to the four winds.But I guess jubilee is on such serious trouble..
United Green Movement maybe... aka URP. Jubilee iko na wenyewe. Your boy can't even access his official residence :) - his minions being kicked out of meetings - good luck with the elections. Uhuru seem to be Jomo-Moi iron-fist combo.
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I notice a shift in the goal post.
Odm go slow..very slow.. unless there is some breaking news on of Uhuru joining odm
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We are all waiting for the Jubilee elections... going by the present mayhem over mere BBI. The spring promises real entertainment.
Odm go slow..very slow.. unless there is some breaking news on of Uhuru joining odm
Yes Ruto Kiunjuri just need some party to launch their 2022 bid against the perennial loser who has scattered NASA to the four winds.But I guess jubilee is on such serious trouble..
United Green Movement maybe... aka URP. Jubilee iko na wenyewe. Your boy can't even access his official residence :) - his minions being kicked out of meetings - good luck with the elections. Uhuru seem to be Jomo-Moi iron-fist combo.
Uhuru is going home...and his orphans are having the desperate last kicks of any dying regime
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We are all waiting for the Jubilee elections... going by the present mayhem over mere BBI. The spring promises real entertainment.
Odm go slow..very slow.. unless there is some breaking news on of Uhuru joining odm
Yes Ruto Kiunjuri just need some party to launch their 2022 bid against the perennial loser who has scattered NASA to the four winds.But I guess jubilee is on such serious trouble..
United Green Movement maybe... aka URP. Jubilee iko na wenyewe. Your boy can't even access his official residence :) - his minions being kicked out of meetings - good luck with the elections. Uhuru seem to be Jomo-Moi iron-fist combo.
Uhuru is going home...and his orphans are having the desperate last kicks of any dying regime
Hope spring eternal. Jubilee elections and BBI 2.0 are the main events coming soon at the cameo. Let's wait for time. Of course Uhurutopia is manifestly poof. I saw a line-up in Mombasa of GoK Plan 2020 - . Matiang'i, Kibicho, Macharia, Mutyambai, .. couldn't spot Jezebel. No sign of Ruto either. :)
GoK iko na wenyewe.
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Pundit seem Mdvd is in Uhuru corner despite fallout with Raila and police cancelling his check-BBI meet with Rectangular. He was on Kameme TV praising Uhuru - instead of tearing into BBI the fool just sing peace and unity. After Ruto bought and killed UDF - the windbag once again already lost ANC to Raila with Malala, Osotsi, Otichilo all defying him. He is running for PORK of course.
Hehe Wezdan Kenya is a separate case study on its own. There is a gazillion honcho wanna-be's. Mdvd, Recta, Oparanya, Lusaka, Eunice, Bull-fighter, Atwoli, name it. Anyone heard of Ababu lately?
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Why would maDVD support uhuru. Uhuru folks lied to maDVD that he would be made the finance minister but we know that is now water under the bridge. Atwoli & Oparanya come from small subtribe of luhya - the bunyores - and are going nowhere.
Pundit seem Mdvd is in Uhuru corner despite fallout with Raila and police cancelling his check-BBI meet with Rectangular. He was on Kameme TV praising Uhuru - instead of tearing into BBI the fool just sing peace and unity. After Ruto bought and killed UDF - the windbag once again already lost ANC to Raila with Malala, Osotsi, Otichilo all defying him. He is running for PORK of course.
Hehe Wezdan Kenya is a separate case study on its own. There is a gazillion honcho wanna-be's. Mdvd, Recta, Oparanya, Lusaka, Eunice, Bull-fighter, Atwoli, name it. Anyone heard of Ababu lately?
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Why would maDVD support uhuru. Uhuru folks lied to maDVD that he would be made the finance minister but we know that is now water under the bridge. Atwoli & Oparanya come from small subtribe of luhya - the bunyores - and are going nowhere.
Pundit seem Mdvd is in Uhuru corner despite fallout with Raila and police cancelling his check-BBI meet with Rectangular. He was on Kameme TV praising Uhuru - instead of tearing into BBI the fool just sing peace and unity. After Ruto bought and killed UDF - the windbag once again already lost ANC to Raila with Malala, Osotsi, Otichilo all defying him. He is running for PORK of course.
Hehe Wezdan Kenya is a separate case study on its own. There is a gazillion honcho wanna-be's. Mdvd, Recta, Oparanya, Lusaka, Eunice, Bull-fighter, Atwoli, name it. Anyone heard of Ababu lately?
Pundit you seem to have missed my earlier post on another thread a couple of days ago. Let me post it here;
"....Let me help you here Robina..... Bukusu will vote solidly where Raila is. Even Weta with his Ford Kenya was just a gentlemanly arrangement by ODM (Raila) not to embarrass him in his own backyard. Why Pundit thinks that Ruto can wrestle Bukusus off Raila because of Didimus Barasa (a nobody!), John Waluke (got through because of a split of contestants) and the Wanyama boy in Webuye is a clear indication of his poor assessment of the Bukusu.
Yes, Oparanya will be the Western Kenya king-pin (forget Mudavadi who wants things done for him with no engagement with the tarmac); you saw yesterday that Oparanya pulled off the Bungoma caucus for the Jan 18th Bukhungu BBI event. Mudavadi and Wetangula no-shows were of no consequence. It is known that Wetangula will line up with Ruto and that is when the entire Bukusu will shift to ODM. Watch Mukhisa Kituyi (after he finishes his UNCTAD junket later this year), he will be the counterweight to Wetangula (and a very able one for that), he will be offered any one of either the DP or Deputy Premiers....."
Needless to add, it seems you are now getting desperate and shifting goal-posts as Kichwa observed. Caleb Kositany (MP Soy Constituency and a staunch Ruto kitchen cabinet member) has made a very cryptic post on twitter today, he has said;
Team William Ruto fasten your seat belts, we are approaching heavy turbulence for a short while,then it will be calm and we land at our destination. Say a prayer for William Ruto PhD. We know the enemy and the direction he is coming from. If GOD IS FOR US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US?.
Now, that is as close as it gets..... as you have famously said, what you project here is stuff you pick from bar-room talk. This is straight from the kitchen and it is not sitting well for your boy and that with all the chest thumping here about how Baba is being played!
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Pragmatic,I cannot make head or tail of your mukhisa make believe story.Bukusu are going with Ruto..I think Rectangular probably going back to wrestle for governor.
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Pragmatic,I cannot make head or tail of your mukhisa make believe story.Bukusu are going with Ruto..I think Rectangular probably going back to wrestle for governor.
On the game plan, i am aware of certain things on which i can only share this much.... meantime, you are conversing with a Bukusu no less!
Take this to the bank, Bukusus will be very far away from Ruto as the two sides of the Rift Valley!
In any case, will Ruto run anyway? It is looking increasingly unlikely and I see him caving in and tosha-ring somebody to spite Uhuru and Raila. In this scenario, that candidate if Bukusu, will probably hive away the Bukusu vote from ODM or the Uhuru/Raila plank.
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I might be conversing with mukhisa himself for all I care but your analysis are not worth of my time
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I might be conversing with mukhisa himself for all I care but your analysis are not worth of my time
Fair deal.... don't sweat it. We are used to your default route when you have nothing more to debate! Am surprised you didn't go for some choice words you like throwing.
And I am not Mukhisa by any chance; i heard that you are in Geneva or Zurich, if you wish me to introduce you to him i can gladly do so. UNCTAD does stuff on the tech side that could interest you.
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It's not my reading - Mdvd was on Kameme TV yesterday praising Uhuru. Luhya influencers are all in BBI and Raila-Uhuru camp. Mdvd, all 5 governors, 4 of 5 senators, Eunice, Atwoli. Weta blows hot and cold.
Ruto charm is not working. He has Khalwale, Echesa, Lusaka and the pawn lineup. They have no capacity to deliver Bukusu.
Why would maDVD support uhuru. Uhuru folks lied to maDVD that he would be made the finance minister but we know that is now water under the bridge. Atwoli & Oparanya come from small subtribe of luhya - the bunyores - and are going nowhere.
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All opinion polls so far undertaken have Ruto winning 3 times it nearest competitor. I know all of the washed up and frustrated politician are trying to catch up - but end of the day - we know Ruto just has to watch out for Raila - and beat him proper. The rest are details. As long as Raila is unwanted in GEMA - Ruto is sleepwalking to PORK.
It's not my reading - Mdvd was on Kameme TV yesterday praising Uhuru. Luhya influencers are all in BBI and Raila-Uhuru camp. Mdvd, all 5 governors, 4 of 5 senators, Eunice, Atwoli. Weta blows hot and cold.
Ruto charm is not working. He has Khalwale, Echesa, Lusaka and the pawn lineup. They have no capacity to deliver Bukusu.
Why would maDVD support uhuru. Uhuru folks lied to maDVD that he would be made the finance minister but we know that is now water under the bridge. Atwoli & Oparanya come from small subtribe of luhya - the bunyores - and are going nowhere.
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Pundit you seem to have missed my earlier post on another thread a couple of days ago. Let me post it here;
"....Let me help you here Robina..... Bukusu will vote solidly where Raila is. Even Weta with his Ford Kenya was just a gentlemanly arrangement by ODM (Raila) not to embarrass him in his own backyard. Why Pundit thinks that Ruto can wrestle Bukusus off Raila because of Didimus Barasa (a nobody!), John Waluke (got through because of a split of contestants) and the Wanyama boy in Webuye is a clear indication of his poor assessment of the Bukusu.
Yes, Oparanya will be the Western Kenya king-pin (forget Mudavadi who wants things done for him with no engagement with the tarmac); you saw yesterday that Oparanya pulled off the Bungoma caucus for the Jan 18th Bukhungu BBI event. Mudavadi and Wetangula no-shows were of no consequence. It is known that Wetangula will line up with Ruto and that is when the entire Bukusu will shift to ODM. Watch Mukhisa Kituyi (after he finishes his UNCTAD junket later this year), he will be the counterweight to Wetangula (and a very able one for that), he will be offered any one of either the DP or Deputy Premiers....."
Needless to add, it seems you are now getting desperate and shifting goal-posts as Kichwa observed. Caleb Kositany (MP Soy Constituency and a staunch Ruto kitchen cabinet member) has made a very cryptic post on twitter today, he has said;
Team William Ruto fasten your seat belts, we are approaching heavy turbulence for a short while,then it will be calm and we land at our destination. Say a prayer for William Ruto PhD. We know the enemy and the direction he is coming from. If GOD IS FOR US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US?.
Now, that is as close as it gets..... as you have famously said, what you project here is stuff you pick from bar-room talk. This is straight from the kitchen and it is not sitting well for your boy and that with all the chest thumping here about how Baba is being played!
The Bukusu will vote where their INFLUENCERS are. 2017 they voted 70% Raila because Weta, Wangamati, Khaemba were NASA - Lusaka, Eunice were Uhuru. Ruto has only some pawns - the bulk remains with Raila including both Bungoma and Trans Nzoia governors, Eunice and Atwoli. Weta blows hot and cold. Without Uhuru Ruto has no winning formula and will haemorrhage support nationwide starting with Mt Kenya.
I don't think the hapless, verbose Dr Mukhisa Kituyi would move the needle.
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Straight from the horse's mouth - live from Laikipia East - only seat Kiunjuri ever won.
Nanyuki residents celebrate Kiunjuri sacking
All opinion polls so far undertaken have Ruto winning 3 times it nearest competitor. I know all of the washed up and frustrated politician are trying to catch up - but end of the day - we know Ruto just has to watch out for Raila - and beat him proper. The rest are details. As long as Raila is unwanted in GEMA - Ruto is sleepwalking to PORK.
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https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001356661/ruto-outsider-in-government
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Nyahunyo is coming
Uhuru: I will not entertain Tangatanga talk
SATURDAY JANUARY 18 2020
The Saturday Nation has established that President Kenyatta told politicians and the Kikuyu Council of Elders that anyone who dares stand in the way of his legacy projects by constant bickering will find it rough in the coming days.
A senior politician who attended the meeting told the Saturday Nation that President Kenyatta was categorical that he would not entertain the Tangatanga brigade in the Mt Kenya region.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru-I-will-not-entertain-Tangatanga-talk/1064-5422378-eacmmz/index.html
Pundit it seems Lee Kinyanjui has dumped your boy
Nakuru Governor Lee Kinyanjui, who played a key role in organising the meeting, in an apparent reference to President Kenyatta’s handover of power, allegedly said the sword is too sharp to be entrusted to another leader from outside the community in its current form.
“The leadership sword is very sharp and needs to be blunted a bit before we can hand it over to another person whose behaviour on assuming the mantle of power can’t be predicted,” he reportedly said, in what is understood to mean suggestions to expand the Executive.
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What Nyahunyo can he really unleash when he is becoming lame-duck everyday. Maybe he unleashes an assassination squad otherwise as long as the GEMA people are anti-Raila he is wasting time, energy and strategy. I think Kiunjuri need to take war to him now. As for Lee - he knows his time is up - and Kihika daughter will sweep the floor with him & Mbugua. Nakuru is the const you want to least annoy Ruto because Kalenjin makes nearly 40% of the vote (if not more).
As of now Uhuru has executive authority - Ruto has parliament - and Judiciary is out there. Ruto has the Jubilee party and majority support of Jubilee members.Anyway let see first how Jubilee elections will go. Then we get BBI 2.0. And then we take it from there.
Ruto best strategy is to bid time - to survive 2020 - and then 2021 it full campaign mode - and Uhuru will be forgotten - as lame-duck failure (farmers failure is a shadow because his big 4 is becoming a BIG JOKE) - as Raila get blamed for messing up Jubilee and hustler narrative is unleashed.
Ruto just need to ensure the constitution is not amended (increasingly becoming impossible - considering the timelines needed to come up with new constitution - have BBI2.0 come up with executive pm in parliamentary system - we can live with that :) :) , collect 1m signatures, have the signatures verified by IEBC, have the bill prepared approved in 24 counties, have it go to parliament for a vote (or to be sat on) - both houses, have it frustrated by judicial injunctions along the way with Omtaha already on it, have IEBC funded to conduct the referendum)-
Ruto should avoid attacking Uhuru directly - Just deflect and attack Raila. Continue with shadow boxing - until Uhuru makes it clear - via constitutional referendum that he is in the ring - and then Ruto can stop pulling punches.
Nyahunyo is coming
Uhuru: I will not entertain Tangatanga talk
SATURDAY JANUARY 18 2020
The Saturday Nation has established that President Kenyatta told politicians and the Kikuyu Council of Elders that anyone who dares stand in the way of his legacy projects by constant bickering will find it rough in the coming days.
A senior politician who attended the meeting told the Saturday Nation that President Kenyatta was categorical that he would not entertain the Tangatanga brigade in the Mt Kenya region.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru-I-will-not-entertain-Tangatanga-talk/1064-5422378-eacmmz/index.html
Pundit it seems Lee Kinyanjui has dumped your boy
Nakuru Governor Lee Kinyanjui, who played a key role in organising the meeting, in an apparent reference to President Kenyatta’s handover of power, allegedly said the sword is too sharp to be entrusted to another leader from outside the community in its current form.
“The leadership sword is very sharp and needs to be blunted a bit before we can hand it over to another person whose behaviour on assuming the mantle of power can’t be predicted,” he reportedly said, in what is understood to mean suggestions to expand the Executive.
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Robina - and seem you have a lot of reconcilliation to do with Uhuru - before unleashing BBI 2.0
Another source said the President said he was still committed to one-man, one-vote, one-shilling, meaning that he still prefers a presidential system.
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BBI 2.0 remain the big card yes. From endless praises of the process in Jan 2020 Uhuru seem very determined. Taskforce was extended and Raila is onto the legwork. It laughable to claim Raila-Uhuru combo would have any difficulty fast-tracking the process - 1m signatures (joke), IEBC (joke), 24 counties (joke), parliament (joke). MPs are Judases who only care about their interest as you saw Duale back parliamentary and desert Ruto in the hour of need. Parliamentary is very hard to beat in non-GEMA. With Speaker Muturi and the minority leaders and maybe even Duale it impossible to block or "sit" on the bill. In any case you don't even need numbers just a rejection and it roll over to referendum. Tough luck beating parliamentary and more devolution on the ground.
Kiunjuri and GEMA - Uhuru looks ready to persecute Tangatanga and keep them out of Mt Kenya. Look at Kuria lock-up and Susan Kihika in Nax. From the warnings of Kinyanjui and wa Iria about folks disrespecting Uhuru will not be allowed free reign in the mountain... it seem Tangatamga will face it rough. It very easy to kick Ruto and Kiunjuri out of GEMA especially Kikuyu. Now with all the goodies for farmers you see it will be hard to sell Ruto when Nyoro and Kuria are physically barred from holding rallies. Uhuru seem ruthless Moi-Jomo not lame Kibaki - I think you have mistook his silence before for weakness.
Jubilee & power levers - Uhuru has the GoK machinery yes. He also control judges through intimidation when push come to shove. Presidential run-off comes to mind - they brazenly executed Philomena Muilu driver and ensured there was no quorum. :) Judiciary is only independent when there is no dirty war. But a determined PORK can manipulate them with his NIS and other tools. Parliament you can save it please - MP allegiance depends on interests. In the case of BBI/parliamentary Ruto is in the minority. Jubilee Party of course is a conundrum. PORK has the muscle to either block the polls or mess with them altogether by forcing his guys in. This Imperial PORK can do anything... see all these intimidated governors have all lined up behind BBI. If he can lock DPORK out of his official residence - what difficult about kicking him out of the party? Ironially it is reforming this same Almighty PORK tha you vehemently oppose? It self- defeating.
Uhuru will likely enter a coalition with Raila and Kalonzos/Mdvd crew as Party Leader - ahead of 2022 before or after referendum - and Ruto has no shortage of choices for party. Tanga Tanga Party, United Green Movement, name it. Problem is against Uhuru-for-PM and Raila running circles in non-GEMA - it will be a mountain for him.
What Nyahunyo can he really unleash when he is becoming lame-duck everyday. Maybe he unleashes an assassination squad otherwise as long as the GEMA people are anti-Raila he is wasting time, energy and strategy. I think Kiunjuri need to take war to him now. As for Lee - he knows his time is up - and Kihika daughter will sweep the floor with him & Mbugua. Nakuru is the const you want to least annoy Ruto because Kalenjin makes nearly 40% of the vote (if not more).
As of now Uhuru has executive authority - Ruto has parliament - and Judiciary is out there. Ruto has the Jubilee party and majority support of Jubilee members.Anyway let see first how Jubilee elections will go. Then we get BBI 2.0. And then we take it from there.
Ruto best strategy is to bid time - to survive 2020 - and then 2021 it full campaign mode - and Uhuru will be forgotten - as lame-duck failure (farmers failure is a shadow because his big 4 is becoming a BIG JOKE) - as Raila get blamed for messing up Jubilee and hustler narrative is unleashed.
Ruto just need to ensure the constitution is not amended (increasingly becoming impossible - considering the timelines needed to come up with new constitution - have BBI2.0 come up with executive pm in parliamentary system - we can live with that :) :) , collect 1m signatures, have the signatures verified by IEBC, have the bill prepared approved in 24 counties, have it go to parliament for a vote (or to be sat on) - both houses, have it frustrated by judicial injunctions along the way with Omtaha already on it, have IEBC funded to conduct the referendum)-
Ruto should avoid attacking Uhuru directly - Just deflect and attack Raila. Continue with shadow boxing - until Uhuru makes it clear - via constitutional referendum that he is in the ring - and then Ruto can stop pulling punches.
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Robina - and seem you have a lot of reconcilliation to do with Uhuru - before unleashing BBI 2.0
Another source said the President said he was still committed to one-man, one-vote, one-shilling, meaning that he still prefers a presidential system.
That is doublespeak for "I will be Exec PM"... so long as he is running again there will be overhaul of the system. Why do you think he appends "one shilling" if not to mock Kioni and Tangatanga?
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Kakamega BBI rally live at Bukhungu. Mdvd, Weta, Eunice, Bungome Governor Wangamati, Trans Nzoia Governor Khaemba and the shebang in attendance. Pundit leta spin - how Didimas and Waluke will deliver Bukusu to Ruto.
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I agree with your analysis. Only difference I am a Ruto supporter. I view the whole BBI thing as "stealing" Ruto Presidency. Only BBI stand between Ruto and Presidency. And BBI is/was crafted to make sure Son of Jomo doesn't retire. He wants to still be calling shots despite what else he says. The Union with Raila is just two self serving greedy scions of Kenya's greedy and corrupt founders. They don't want to "give up"..
Truth is once Raila and Uhuru hit the ground to campaign for Parliamentary system then very few can oppose them. Almost none has resources like they do. MaDVD, Kalonzo, Weta, Joho and other regional kingpins have no choice but to support the two gang members. Only Ruto has wherewithal to oppose them but he cannot beat that combination. He simply cannot.
Even if Mt. Kenya rebels against BBI, Uhuru cannot fail to master 40% which combined with Raila and others is simply unassailable.
As the constitution stands, Ruto would have a head start but with BBI changes, the whole thing is snatched from him.
Kakamega BBI rally live at Bukhungu. Mdvd, Weta, Eunice, Bungome Governor Wangamati, Trans Nzoia Governor Khaemba and the shebang in attendance. Pundit leta spin - how Didimas and Waluke will deliver Bukusu to Ruto.
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You're getting ahead of yourself. First Uhuru trying to extend his rule in anyway will be resisted both locally and internationally. It will be such a bad move - he should never entertain such thoughts.
Now let get to basic. I don't understand why Uhuru would go out of his way to give us a lame BBI - and then spend the next six months trying to square cycles - and hold a referendum like Orengo wants in six months. That is pure laughable madness.
Now I know everyone apart from Ruto wants to have bigger executive so they can share power. So yes BBI promising more jobs will be popular. I don't think Ruto will oppose it if it comes the vote. Whether it's parliamentary or presidential - the rule of the game do not change - someone still has to have larger party or coalition or votes. That is where Ruto really need to focus - and opinion polls so far suggests he is doing very well.
Ruto job like I have repeatedly said is to buy time and ensure the constitution doesn't get changed.
He is doing well so far. We have 2.5 yrs to election in 2022.
I am not sure how practical it is for :-
1) Pro-BBI team to meet and agree on BBI 2.0 - I know you think they will buy you 'genius' ideas but nothing suggest they would. The team just got gazetted. Let assume they will take the six months - to do another round of pretend data/views collections - to come up with 'New Consensus' document or Constitutional Amendment Bill.
Risk No 1 for BBI 2.0: Our judiciary could throw a wedge on that - our judiciary is free for all - some are fiercely independent - some are corrupt - Uhuru certainly has no control that is why his election was annuled and he is not seeing eye to eye with JSC & Maraga.
2) Then assume we Robina Constitutional Amendment Bill ready for signature collections in Mid June - and Kibicho deploys provincial administration to collect 1M signatures - in a month.
Risk: Judiciary could stop or declare such signature collections null and void.
3) Then IEBC whose jobs are on the line - are suppose to take 3 months - to verify. You cannot squeeze IEBC time on that.
Risk: IEBC could reject the signatures like they did to OKOA or the process could end up in court.
4) Let also assume Uhuru's manages to convince Ichungwa and parliament to add referendum budget for IEBC.
Risk : Parliament might refuse to find budget for uncontested referendum.
----We are now in 2021 --- election campaigns are catching up fire --------------- Uhuru is now officially a lame duck.
5) Let also assume that IEBC verify the signatures - and now counties are given 3 months to deliver their verdict to IEBC.
Risk : 24 counties could fail to ratify this or well judicial fight.
6) IEBC submit the bill to senate and parliament. Parliament either passes or oppose or sits on.
Risk : Parliament sitting on bill. Duale only wants to be the PM under Ruto presidency - he knows anything else is a pipe dream.
7) IEBC to conduct the referendum and we go for yes and no.
Risk ; IEBC has not funding.
8): Referendum results are contested - judiciary either accepts or annuls.
Bottomline; For Uhuru to undo the constitutional limits he will be killing a lot more people.
BBI 2.0 remain the big card yes. From endless praises of the process in Jan 2020 Uhuru seem very determined. Taskforce was extended and Raila is onto the legwork. It laughable to claim Raila-Uhuru combo would have any difficulty fast-tracking the process - 1m signatures (joke), IEBC (joke), 24 counties (joke), parliament (joke). MPs are Judases who only care about their interest as you saw Duale back parliamentary and desert Ruto in the hour of need. Parliamentary is very hard to beat in non-GEMA. With Speaker Muturi and the minority leaders and maybe even Duale it impossible to block or "sit" on the bill. In any case you don't even need numbers just a rejection and it roll over to referendum. Tough luck beating parliamentary and more devolution on the ground.
Kiunjuri and GEMA - Uhuru looks ready to persecute Tangatanga and keep them out of Mt Kenya. Look at Kuria lock-up and Susan Kihika in Nax. From the warnings of Kinyanjui and wa Iria about folks disrespecting Uhuru will not be allowed free reign in the mountain... it seem Tangatamga will face it rough. It very easy to kick Ruto and Kiunjuri out of GEMA especially Kikuyu. Now with all the goodies for farmers you see it will be hard to sell Ruto when Nyoro and Kuria are physically barred from holding rallies. Uhuru seem ruthless Moi-Jomo not lame Kibaki - I think you have mistook his silence before for weakness.
Jubilee & power levers - Uhuru has the GoK machinery yes. He also control judges through intimidation when push come to shove. Presidential run-off comes to mind - they brazenly executed Philomena Muilu driver and ensured there was no quorum. :) Judiciary is only independent when there is no dirty war. But a determined PORK can manipulate them with his NIS and other tools. Parliament you can save it please - MP allegiance depends on interests. In the case of BBI/parliamentary Ruto is in the minority. Jubilee Party of course is a conundrum. PORK has the muscle to either block the polls or mess with them altogether by forcing his guys in. This Imperial PORK can do anything... see all these intimidated governors have all lined up behind BBI. If he can lock DPORK out of his official residence - what difficult about kicking him out of the party? Ironially it is reforming this same Almighty PORK tha you vehemently oppose? It self- defeating.
Uhuru will likely enter a coalition with Raila and Kalonzos/Mdvd crew as Party Leader - ahead of 2022 before or after referendum - and Ruto has no shortage of choices for party. Tanga Tanga Party, United Green Movement, name it. Problem is against Uhuru-for-PM and Raila running circles in non-GEMA - it will be a mountain for him.
What Nyahunyo can he really unleash when he is becoming lame-duck everyday. Maybe he unleashes an assassination squad otherwise as long as the GEMA people are anti-Raila he is wasting time, energy and strategy. I think Kiunjuri need to take war to him now. As for Lee - he knows his time is up - and Kihika daughter will sweep the floor with him & Mbugua. Nakuru is the const you want to least annoy Ruto because Kalenjin makes nearly 40% of the vote (if not more).
As of now Uhuru has executive authority - Ruto has parliament - and Judiciary is out there. Ruto has the Jubilee party and majority support of Jubilee members.Anyway let see first how Jubilee elections will go. Then we get BBI 2.0. And then we take it from there.
Ruto best strategy is to bid time - to survive 2020 - and then 2021 it full campaign mode - and Uhuru will be forgotten - as lame-duck failure (farmers failure is a shadow because his big 4 is becoming a BIG JOKE) - as Raila get blamed for messing up Jubilee and hustler narrative is unleashed.
Ruto just need to ensure the constitution is not amended (increasingly becoming impossible - considering the timelines needed to come up with new constitution - have BBI2.0 come up with executive pm in parliamentary system - we can live with that :) :) , collect 1m signatures, have the signatures verified by IEBC, have the bill prepared approved in 24 counties, have it go to parliament for a vote (or to be sat on) - both houses, have it frustrated by judicial injunctions along the way with Omtaha already on it, have IEBC funded to conduct the referendum)-
Ruto should avoid attacking Uhuru directly - Just deflect and attack Raila. Continue with shadow boxing - until Uhuru makes it clear - via constitutional referendum that he is in the ring - and then Ruto can stop pulling punches.
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I doubt Uhuru can trust Raila to be PORK - because trust me if he was to short-change Ruto - Ruto will also short-change him - and only beneficiary will be Raila.
In this game - ignore the pawns and focus on the main movers
1) Raila
2) Uhuru
3) Ruto
Each roughly control anything 25-30% of the national total votes directly without a coalition partner.
Now if Uhuru ditches Ruto - Ruto also goes to Raila to exact his revenge - and Raila wins - and rule the way he wants - with Executive Power - I don't think Raila just want to be ceremonial PORK.
In my view Raila is scare-crow that Uhuru is using not steal alone or monopolize power now - he is playing both Raila and Ruto so he can spend the next five years linning up his pockets - and then go home - with handsome retirement package.
He knows very well the hue & cry that will great any suggestion to extend power, the impossibility of wielding such power with Raila (and Ruto) and finally he is not politically gifted to pull such moves. Ruto and Raila could definitely pull a extension of power - but you cannot use prov administration or security to do that.
That is why people close to him like Matiangi - are trying to position themselves to be the future PMs. They know very well Uhuru is going home.
And as long as Uhuru is going home - and Ruto is facing Raila - it will be easy game.
Anyway let BBI square them circles first.
I agree with your analysis. Only difference I am a Ruto supporter. I view the whole BBI thing as "stealing" Ruto Presidency. Only BBI stand between Ruto and Presidency. And BBI is/was crafted to make sure Son of Jomo doesn't retire. He wants to still be calling shots despite what else he says. The Union with Raila is just two self serving greedy scions of Kenya's greedy and corrupt founders. They don't want to "give up"..
Truth is once Raila and Uhuru hit the ground to campaign for Parliamentary system then very few can oppose them. Almost none has resources like they do. MaDVD, Kalonzo, Weta, Joho and other regional kingpins have no choice but to support the two gang members. Only Ruto has wherewithal to oppose them but he cannot beat that combination. He simply cannot.
Even if Mt. Kenya rebels against BBI, Uhuru cannot fail to master 40% which combined with Raila and others is simply unassailable.
As the constitution stands, Ruto would have a head start but with BBI changes, the whole thing is snatched from him.
Kakamega BBI rally live at Bukhungu. Mdvd, Weta, Eunice, Bungome Governor Wangamati, Trans Nzoia Governor Khaemba and the shebang in attendance. Pundit leta spin - how Didimas and Waluke will deliver Bukusu to Ruto.
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And it's here i think you are making a serious mistake. Uhuru is SERIOUS. And yes, Raila is politically the least trustworthy and that's why Mt. Kenya populace don't trust him at all. And that why even Moses Kuria think Raila has bewitched Uhuru. But for some reason Uhuru is banking on trusting Raila this time.
Also what can Hustler offer Raila? Deputy President? PM? As of now I don't think Raila can get anything from Ruto apart from President itself.
I doubt Uhuru can trust Raila to be PORK - because trust me if he was to short-change Ruto - Ruto will also short-change him - and only beneficiary will be Raila.
In this game - ignore the pawns and focus on the main movers
1) Raila
2) Uhuru
3) Ruto
Each roughly control anything 25-30% of the national total votes directly without a coalition partner.
Now if Uhuru ditches Ruto - Ruto also goes to Raila to exact his revenge - and Raila wins - and rule the way he wants - with Executive Power - I don't think Raila just want to be ceremonial PORK.
In my view Raila is scare-crow that Uhuru is using not steal alone or monopolize power now - he is playing both Raila and Ruto so he can spend the next five years linning up his pockets - and then go home - with handsome retirement package.
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And it's here i think you are making a serious mistake. Uhuru is SERIOUS. And yes, Raila is politically the least trustworthy and that's why Mt. Kenya populace don't trust him at all. And that why even Moses Kuria think Raila has bewitched Uhuru. But for some reason Uhuru is banking on trusting Raila this time.
Also what can Hustler offer Raila? Deputy President? PM? As of now I don't think Raila can get anything from Ruto apart from President itself.
I doubt Uhuru can trust Raila to be PORK - because trust me if he was to short-change Ruto - Ruto will also short-change him - and only beneficiary will be Raila.
In this game - ignore the pawns and focus on the main movers
1) Raila
2) Uhuru
3) Ruto
Each roughly control anything 25-30% of the national total votes directly without a coalition partner.
Now if Uhuru ditches Ruto - Ruto also goes to Raila to exact his revenge - and Raila wins - and rule the way he wants - with Executive Power - I don't think Raila just want to be ceremonial PORK.
In my view Raila is scare-crow that Uhuru is using not steal alone or monopolize power now - he is playing both Raila and Ruto so he can spend the next five years linning up his pockets - and then go home - with handsome retirement package.
why do you think Uhuru is serious.You make an assertion you can logically support and we go from there.. Unless you're privy to Uhuru thinking.
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Robina - and seem you have a lot of reconcilliation to do with Uhuru - before unleashing BBI 2.0
Another source said the President said he was still committed to one-man, one-vote, one-shilling, meaning that he still prefers a presidential system.
That is doublespeak for "I will be Exec PM"... so long as he is running again there will be overhaul of the system. Why do you think he appends "one shilling" if not to mock Kioni and Tangatanga?
It seems pretty obvious what kamwana's intentions are. At a minimum, given the way he has been mistreating the hustler, it's naive to think he plans to hand over the instruments of state to him(yes, Presidential elections are fake in Kenya). He does not.
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Exactly, its like we know when mama is cooking Ugali or is on strike.
Robina - and seem you have a lot of reconcilliation to do with Uhuru - before unleashing BBI 2.0
Another source said the President said he was still committed to one-man, one-vote, one-shilling, meaning that he still prefers a presidential system.
That is doublespeak for "I will be Exec PM"... so long as he is running again there will be overhaul of the system. Why do you think he appends "one shilling" if not to mock Kioni and Tangatanga?
It seems pretty obvious what kamwana's intentions are. At a minimum, given the way he has been mistreating the hustler, it's naive to think he plans to hand over the instruments of state to him(yes, Presidential elections are fake in Kenya). He does not.
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It seem pretty obvious that he either trust or handover to Raila or Ruto. I think whatever issues he has with Ruto pale in comparison with Raila - and his community deficit of trust on Raila is not going to be bridged easily. They have refused to board the handshake & BBI despite 2 yrs of pleading, cajoling and even corralling.
Well he can entertain entrusting someone else like Matiangi or MaDVD or any other political greenhorn - but they will be mauled - as worthless projects.
In short if you look at it - Ruto is doing well as clear frontrunner - while Uhuru is btw a rock and hard place. And he doesn't have time because the moment he become lame-duck - then somebody else will emerge and lead GEMA - like Ruto did to Moi.
It seems pretty obvious what kamwana's intentions are. At a minimum, given the way he has been mistreating the hustler, it's naive to think he plans to hand over the instruments of state to him(yes, Presidential elections are fake in Kenya). He does not.
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This is why i think Uhuru is serious with Amend Katiba for PM Madness.
1. What else can Uhuru do? He is a known drunkard that were it not for Moi, he would probably be drunkenly dead in some Thika sewage gully. Once he is out of Presidency even his family will not and cannot allow him near family businesses. He will simply be idle and ignored and drunk to wither away in obscurity. He doesn't want that and his almighty family want him to stay: so he has to scheme how to stay.
2. His power brokers or fixers or simply mafia aka his elitist advisers are damn serious they cannot let Ruto be president. This i know cause some have publicly stated so and i have other first hand knowledge. They have some special dislike/fear of Ruto Presidency. Some of them view Ruto more useful dead. And Uhuru is controlled by such Kikuyu elites and there are his drinking and social buddies. All harebrained ideas they give Uhuru end up manifesting themselves.
3. The reason Uhuru/Kibicho/Matiang'i are so damn brutal on Mt. Kenya leaders supporting TangaTanga/Ruto is because of no. 2. In that there was an assumption that Mt. Kenya would automatically follow Uhuru on cue on this PM thing was dangled. But to their surprise the whole thing has proved very unpopular in Mt. Kenya. And therefore they now seek to cajole and openly threaten. Logically if Uhuru was "playing trick" on Raila I doubt he would let his backyard leaders be "molested..." What would be the point anyway? Why would he want to leave Presidency quarreling with "his people" if he wasn't serious?
4. Uhuru speeches and action. Eg, his new year Speech he stated BBI is the vehicle to address election violence every five years, to address historical injustices etc. He didn't even mention the Constitution. Just BBI. Then he had said towards end of last year that "from January sitaki mchezo..." or some sheeet like that. It was direct threats to TangaTanga team. And now you can see for yourselves who are being targeted. Then he told some Mt. Kenya Wazee at Gicheha Farm that they should mobilize others and support BBI since" Mt. Kenya tutapata kiti kubwa... " Surely if he is" tricking Raila" would he expose himself to such ridicule if he isn't serious?
5. Uhuru Family's business empire and profits have expanded exponentially during his Presidency. Now you can imagine what they can do in the next 10yrs or 8yrs if Uhuru is still in charge. Muhoho his brother does accompany him on foreign trips principally due to business cronyism. You think The Family and Uhuru himself want to give up such?
6. Then don't forget the "little issue" of ICC where the court is waiting for the suspects to leave power. Remember the ICC court claimed these suspects used their position in government to frustrate evidence and even eliminate witnesses. They are waiting on the wings. It is one more reason for him to stick around as much as possible.
7. If he just wanted "peace to finish his term" all this elaborate BBI ruse would be unnecessary. He would have appointed Raila and his cronies to their desired position and then he just relax.
8. Then of course where would akina Matiang'i, Kibicho and others get cajones to do what they do/say and no action or reprimand is forthcoming? If Uhuru was not serious, such behavior by Civil servants wouldn't be condoned at all.
Despite all of what I have stated, once you take totality of Uhuru's political behaviour and rhetorics, the conclusion is simple: THIS GUY IS SERIOUSLY EYEING THE PM POSITION UNDER BBI.
NB: Do you think Uhuru is a BETTER political schemer than Raila? I ask because if Uhuru is taking Raila for a ride, what is Raila plan? Because to me Raila is infinitely a better political schemers than Uhuru by several miles.
why do you think Uhuru is serious.You make an assertion you can logically support and we go from there.. Unless you're privy to Uhuru thinking.
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Yes, I was amongst the first people to entertain the possibility of Uhuru wanting to extend his term - immediately after 2017 elections - when he started going rogue - during cabinet appointment - however I am not convinced he really want to stay.
We have basically had two theories - Uhuru is playing both Ruto (to do away with 50-50) & Raila (to contain him) - or Uhuru is interested in continuing.
1) It not easy thing to pull an extension of term limit in kenya - trust me if Uhuru fears his family that much - the kind of local and international pressure coming his way will see him crying to Mama Ngina. Leave ICC of 2007 - he will be reigniting another ICC if he undo the peace btw Kalenjin and Kikuyu. You can bet Kalenjin will not take the betrayal of Ruto lightly.
2) If Uhuru was interested in extending his term - he would be politically more engaged. He has disengaged and has left the political class esp mt Kenya out in the rut. You don't win political favours by using prov admin & security. You don't crackdown on corruption if you're interested in politics. He is doing that - because I believe he knows he is going home - he doesn't care.
3) BBI was a water-shed moment. It came out a groper. We don't have executive PM in BBI. We have Raila and co running helter skleter trying to reset BBI and give us BBI 2.0. So until we have this BBI executive PM in concrete document - it's just hot air. Orengo has promised us a new katiba in six months :). He must be a new Prophet Dr Owour convert - to believe such miracles are possible.
4) Turning from President and Commander in Chief to become PM (a gloried Duale) who will be saluting Raila & getting abused in parliament is the kind of desperation I don't expect Uhuru will stomach. PM is a lot of hardwork for a lazy man like him. I would buy Uhuru removing term limits before I buy that PMship.
We shall see who is right or wrong - but my diagnosis so far - Uhuru don't care attitude is because he is going home - and some folks have taken advantage of that - to attempt to posion the relation btw him & Ruto - and to further their personal ambitions ( I am talking the likes of Matiangi & Waiguru) who think Uhuru & Raila will appoint them. Raila obviously has long quit that business of Tosharing people.
Anyway we have another six months for Orengo referendum - and 3 months for Jubilee party election - Uhuru cannot keep his cards forever hidden. He has to play them soon.
Ultimately Uhuru like Mt Kenya have to pick btw Ruto and Raila. The rest are details.
This is why i think Uhuru is serious with Amend Katiba for PM Madness.
1. What else can Uhuru do? He is a known drunkard that were it not for Moi, he would probably be drunkenly dead in some Thika sewage gully. Once he is out of Presidency even his family will not and cannot allow him near family businesses. He will simply be idle and ignored and drunk to wither away in obscurity. He doesn't want that and his almighty family want him to stay: so he has to scheme how to stay.
2. His power brokers or fixers or simply mafia aka his elitist advisers are damn serious they cannot let Ruto be president. This i know cause some have publicly stated so and i have other first hand knowledge. They have some special dislike/fear of Ruto Presidency. Some of them view Ruto more useful dead. And Uhuru is controlled by such Kikuyu elites and there are his drinking and social buddies. All harebrained ideas they give Uhuru end up manifesting themselves.
3. The reason Uhuru/Kibicho/Matiang'i are so damn brutal on Mt. Kenya leaders supporting TangaTanga/Ruto is because of no. 2. In that there was an assumption that Mt. Kenya would automatically follow Uhuru on cue on this PM thing was dangled. But to their surprise the whole thing has proved very unpopular in Mt. Kenya. And therefore they now seek to cajole and openly threaten. Logically if Uhuru was "playing trick" on Raila I doubt he would let his backyard leaders be "molested..." What would be the point anyway? Why would he want to leave Presidency quarreling with "his people" if he wasn't serious?
4. Uhuru speeches and action. Eg, his new year Speech he stated BBI is the vehicle to address election violence every five years, to address historical injustices etc. He didn't even mention the Constitution. Just BBI. Then he had said towards end of last year that "from January sitaki mchezo..." or some sheeet like that. It was direct threats to TangaTanga team. And now you can see for yourselves who are being targeted. Then he told some Mt. Kenya Wazee at Gicheha Farm that they should mobilize others and support BBI since" Mt. Kenya tutapata kiti kubwa... " Surely if he is" tricking Raila" would he expose himself to such ridicule if he isn't serious?
5. Uhuru Family's business empire and profits have expanded exponentially during his Presidency. Now you can imagine what they can do in the next 10yrs or 8yrs if Uhuru is still in charge. Muhoho his brother does accompany him on foreign trips principally due to business cronyism. You think The Family and Uhuru himself want to give up such?
6. Then don't forget the "little issue" of ICC where the court is waiting for the suspects to leave power. Remember the ICC court claimed these suspects used their position in government to frustrate evidence and even eliminate witnesses. They are waiting on the wings. It is one more reason for him to stick around as much as possible.
7. If he just wanted "peace to finish his term" all this elaborate BBI ruse would be unnecessary. He would have appointed Raila and his cronies to their desired position and then he just relax.
8. Then of course where would akina Matiang'i, Kibicho and others get cajones to do what they do/say and no action or reprimand is forthcoming? If Uhuru was not serious, such behavior by Civil servants wouldn't be condoned at all.
Despite all of what I have stated, once you take totality of Uhuru's political behaviour and rhetorics, the conclusion is simple: THIS GUY IS SERIOUSLY EYEING THE PM POSITION UNDER BBI.
NB: Do you think Uhuru is a BETTER political schemer than Raila? I ask because if Uhuru is taking Raila for a ride, what is Raila plan? Because to me Raila is infinitely a better political schemers than Uhuru by several miles.
why do you think Uhuru is serious.You make an assertion you can logically support and we go from there.. Unless you're privy to Uhuru thinking.
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1) Uhuru read hostile ground in Gema and decided to do some prep work against impatient Raila advice. The taskforce wazee are marktiming in 5-star hotels - they already have a complete parliamentary report and bill. The legwork being done by Handshake crew seem well oiled - ODM, regional kingpins, CS's, name it.
2) Trick Ruto crew to embrace weak PM in BBI 1.0 - then corner them with BBI 2.0. It foregone conclusion that you will have a PM now - it merely a question of how powerful. It twice harder now to malign parliamentary.
The referendum is not Orengo or Raila's demand. Uhuru needs it to rig in a 3rd term.
You're getting ahead of yourself. First Uhuru trying to extend his rule in anyway will be resisted both locally and internationally. It will be such a bad move - he should never entertain such thoughts.
Now let get to basic. I don't understand why Uhuru would go out of his way to give us a lame BBI - and then spend the next six months trying to square cycles - and hold a referendum like Orengo wants in six months. That is pure laughable madness.
Ruto already capitulated yes. It arguable that he has the numbers - I don't see them. Who is he running against and for what job? Will Gema stay intact as Uhuru rain blows? Is Kiunjuri the runningmate? VP to ceremonial president? Parliamentary reshuffles that deck big-time. Now, it abit contradictory to state Ruto strategy is to block BBI/parliamentary. Isn't capitulation a gameshot on that?
Now I know everyone apart from Ruto wants to have bigger executive so they can share power. So yes BBI promising more jobs will be popular. I don't think Ruto will oppose it if it comes the vote. Whether it's parliamentary or presidential - the rule of the game do not change - someone still has to have larger party or coalition or votes. That is where Ruto really need to focus - and opinion polls so far suggests he is doing very well.
Ruto job like I have repeatedly said is to buy time and ensure the constitution doesn't get changed.
He is doing well so far. We have 2.5 yrs to election in 2022.
We flogged your "BBI is illegal ab initio" horse dead here a few months back. You claimed it illegal for wazee to write report in 5-star without act of parliament. Yet Aukot write Punguza bill in his bedroom with the wife and it was legit.
Aukot and Gusii lady professor Moraa Somebody already ran to court with that argument and lost. Katiba kick in at signature not before. Equally there is no referendum law and the item is separate from the object of the referendum itself. You can fund a referendum from your pocket and that would not invalidate the outcome. Another analogy is party fund - you deny say ODM treasury funds they get from other sources and they still legally run their affairs and contest elections. Referendum is not delegitimized by lack of budgetary funding.
During/after Punguza signature some activist ran to court questioning the IEBC validation. Judge rejected and said IEBC is competent and neutral.
The court hurdle is tried and failed. 6 is more realistic - MPs can be lethal if you threaten their interests. Unlike Aukot fool BBI does not seriously gut their numbers or privileges. Parliamentary make them kings. Region- / tribalism is more likely to play out here with most non-Gema supporting while Gema and Kalenjin opppose. I don't see Cheptumo-Wahome managing to control that justice committee... it very diverse and pro-BBI as is the rest of the floor. It flop in one chamber and go to referendum regardless of the other chamber. 2020 alone is enough for referendum.. Ruto surrender or get dog beating - then he face the jaggernaut that has been terrifying him. Uhuru-Raila vs Ruto-Kiunjuri :)
Tangatanga will face nyahunyo as we already see with Kuria case, Sen Kihika barred from Uhuru meeting, Ruto mini-SH eviction, Echesa Mumias meeting cancelled, Wa Iria has warned Nyoro and Wahome about disrespecting Uhuru in his county. But otherwise there is nothing life and death there for Uhuru to kill folks. BBI is popular - seem Nyanza, Luhya, Kamba, Coast are gone. Maa and Samburu are mountain for Ruto. It mere his own Kalenjin and the Kikuyu that are being worked on.
I am not sure how practical it is for :-
1) Pro-BBI team to meet and agree on BBI 2.0 - I know you think they will buy you 'genius' ideas but nothing suggest they would. The team just got gazetted. Let assume they will take the six months - to do another round of pretend data/views collections - to come up with 'New Consensus' document or Constitutional Amendment Bill.
Risk No 1 for BBI 2.0: Our judiciary could throw a wedge on that - our judiciary is free for all - some are fiercely independent - some are corrupt - Uhuru certainly has no control that is why his election was annuled and he is not seeing eye to eye with JSC & Maraga.
2) Then assume we Robina Constitutional Amendment Bill ready for signature collections in Mid June - and Kibicho deploys provincial administration to collect 1M signatures - in a month.
Risk: Judiciary could stop or declare such signature collections null and void.
3) Then IEBC whose jobs are on the line - are suppose to take 3 months - to verify. You cannot squeeze IEBC time on that.
Risk: IEBC could reject the signatures like they did to OKOA or the process could end up in court.
4) Let also assume Uhuru's manages to convince Ichungwa and parliament to add referendum budget for IEBC.
Risk : Parliament might refuse to find budget for uncontested referendum.
----We are now in 2021 --- election campaigns are catching up fire --------------- Uhuru is now officially a lame duck.
5) Let also assume that IEBC verify the signatures - and now counties are given 3 months to deliver their verdict to IEBC.
Risk : 24 counties could fail to ratify this or well judicial fight.
6) IEBC submit the bill to senate and parliament. Parliament either passes or oppose or sits on.
Risk : Parliament sitting on bill. Duale only wants to be the PM under Ruto presidency - he knows anything else is a pipe dream.
7) IEBC to conduct the referendum and we go for yes and no.
Risk ; IEBC has not funding.
8): Referendum results are contested - judiciary either accepts or annuls.
Bottomline; For Uhuru to undo the constitutional limits he will be killing a lot more people.
BBI 2.0 remain the big card yes. From endless praises of the process in Jan 2020 Uhuru seem very determined. Taskforce was extended and Raila is onto the legwork. It laughable to claim Raila-Uhuru combo would have any difficulty fast-tracking the process - 1m signatures (joke), IEBC (joke), 24 counties (joke), parliament (joke). MPs are Judases who only care about their interest as you saw Duale back parliamentary and desert Ruto in the hour of need. Parliamentary is very hard to beat in non-GEMA. With Speaker Muturi and the minority leaders and maybe even Duale it impossible to block or "sit" on the bill. In any case you don't even need numbers just a rejection and it roll over to referendum. Tough luck beating parliamentary and more devolution on the ground.
Kiunjuri and GEMA - Uhuru looks ready to persecute Tangatanga and keep them out of Mt Kenya. Look at Kuria lock-up and Susan Kihika in Nax. From the warnings of Kinyanjui and wa Iria about folks disrespecting Uhuru will not be allowed free reign in the mountain... it seem Tangatamga will face it rough. It very easy to kick Ruto and Kiunjuri out of GEMA especially Kikuyu. Now with all the goodies for farmers you see it will be hard to sell Ruto when Nyoro and Kuria are physically barred from holding rallies. Uhuru seem ruthless Moi-Jomo not lame Kibaki - I think you have mistook his silence before for weakness.
Jubilee & power levers - Uhuru has the GoK machinery yes. He also control judges through intimidation when push come to shove. Presidential run-off comes to mind - they brazenly executed Philomena Muilu driver and ensured there was no quorum. :) Judiciary is only independent when there is no dirty war. But a determined PORK can manipulate them with his NIS and other tools. Parliament you can save it please - MP allegiance depends on interests. In the case of BBI/parliamentary Ruto is in the minority. Jubilee Party of course is a conundrum. PORK has the muscle to either block the polls or mess with them altogether by forcing his guys in. This Imperial PORK can do anything... see all these intimidated governors have all lined up behind BBI. If he can lock DPORK out of his official residence - what difficult about kicking him out of the party? Ironially it is reforming this same Almighty PORK tha you vehemently oppose? It self- defeating.
Uhuru will likely enter a coalition with Raila and Kalonzos/Mdvd crew as Party Leader - ahead of 2022 before or after referendum - and Ruto has no shortage of choices for party. Tanga Tanga Party, United Green Movement, name it. Problem is against Uhuru-for-PM and Raila running circles in non-GEMA - it will be a mountain for him.
What Nyahunyo can he really unleash when he is becoming lame-duck everyday. Maybe he unleashes an assassination squad otherwise as long as the GEMA people are anti-Raila he is wasting time, energy and strategy. I think Kiunjuri need to take war to him now. As for Lee - he knows his time is up - and Kihika daughter will sweep the floor with him & Mbugua. Nakuru is the const you want to least annoy Ruto because Kalenjin makes nearly 40% of the vote (if not more).
As of now Uhuru has executive authority - Ruto has parliament - and Judiciary is out there. Ruto has the Jubilee party and majority support of Jubilee members.Anyway let see first how Jubilee elections will go. Then we get BBI 2.0. And then we take it from there.
Ruto best strategy is to bid time - to survive 2020 - and then 2021 it full campaign mode - and Uhuru will be forgotten - as lame-duck failure (farmers failure is a shadow because his big 4 is becoming a BIG JOKE) - as Raila get blamed for messing up Jubilee and hustler narrative is unleashed.
Ruto just need to ensure the constitution is not amended (increasingly becoming impossible - considering the timelines needed to come up with new constitution - have BBI2.0 come up with executive pm in parliamentary system - we can live with that :) :) , collect 1m signatures, have the signatures verified by IEBC, have the bill prepared approved in 24 counties, have it go to parliament for a vote (or to be sat on) - both houses, have it frustrated by judicial injunctions along the way with Omtaha already on it, have IEBC funded to conduct the referendum)-
Ruto should avoid attacking Uhuru directly - Just deflect and attack Raila. Continue with shadow boxing - until Uhuru makes it clear - via constitutional referendum that he is in the ring - and then Ruto can stop pulling punches.
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Robina,No need to flog the dead horse but when BBI changes & get passed we can debate.The biggest and only nyahunyo a political type fears is from the ground..not Kibicho.Arresting them make them more popular.Moses kuriais good example of guy who went all over the map before eventually retreating back to Jubilee Ruto camp.The same is true for most mt Kenya or jubilee leadership... selling Raila is quickest way to political Oblivion.In entire Jubilee it's probably only Waiguru who has that suicidal naivety. You want to lose elections in 2022 in Jubilee zone...back Raila.Ruto has played this well..by avoiding a confrontation with Uhuru...they will get desperate but Ruto will not drop the ball yet.Uhuru unpopularity is not going to be fixed by 30b bribe to Farmers...it got nothing to do with tea or milk...it got everything to do with handshake n BBI.Uhuru with central leaders spend decades planting Raila is evil seeds in central and cannot like Moi did turn 360 & embrace the enemy ( for moi GEMA).The biggest nyahunyo Uhuru will receive will come from GEMA populace...he cannot possibly arrest 10m people.
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Self- serving analysis as always. Uhuru and Gema are clever enough to play both Raila and Ruto - they are doing it right now. So long as he gets Exec PM - which he will easily do with GoK and non-Gema rivalry - he will pit them again post-2022. Assume Uhuru is Exec PM in coalition with Raila as ceremonial PORK. If Raila start NARC tantrums - his crew get sacked and some other guys get in - including greedy vengeful Ruto. Kibaki big failure was he didn't divide-n-rule LDP/Kanu.
Of course we know how long the non-Gema coalition lasted - before Ruto demanded DPM and all big positions. :)
I doubt Uhuru can trust Raila to be PORK - because trust me if he was to short-change Ruto - Ruto will also short-change him - and only beneficiary will be Raila.
In this game - ignore the pawns and focus on the main movers
1) Raila
2) Uhuru
3) Ruto
Each roughly control anything 25-30% of the national total votes directly without a coalition partner.
Now if Uhuru ditches Ruto - Ruto also goes to Raila to exact his revenge - and Raila wins - and rule the way he wants - with Executive Power - I don't think Raila just want to be ceremonial PORK.
In my view Raila is scare-crow that Uhuru is using not steal alone or monopolize power now - he is playing both Raila and Ruto so he can spend the next five years linning up his pockets - and then go home - with handsome retirement package.
He knows very well the hue & cry that will great any suggestion to extend power, the impossibility of wielding such power with Raila (and Ruto) and finally he is not politically gifted to pull such moves. Ruto and Raila could definitely pull a extension of power - but you cannot use prov administration or security to do that.
That is why people close to him like Matiangi - are trying to position themselves to be the future PMs. They know very well Uhuru is going home.
And as long as Uhuru is going home - and Ruto is facing Raila - it will be easy game.
Anyway let BBI square them circles first.
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In politics if everyone thinks you're so clever - you're in fact a fool. It took Raila many years to learn this. I doubt Ruto will ever get it. The meek, cowardly, humble Moi, Kibaki then Uhuru got in before the rubble rousers - Jaramogi, Matiba, Raila Ruto.
1. Never outshine the master
3. Conceal your intentions
4. Always say less than necessary :)
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Self- serving analysis as always. Uhuru and Gema are clever enough to play both Raila and Ruto - they are doing it right now. So long as he gets Exec PM - which he will easily do with GoK and non-Gema rivalry - he will pit them again post-2022. Assume Uhuru is Exec PM in coalition with Raila as ceremonial PORK. If Raila start NARC tantrums - his crew get sacked and some other guys get in - including greedy vengeful Ruto. Kibaki big failure was he didn't divide-n-rule LDP/Kanu.
Of course we know how long the non-Gema coalition lasted - before Ruto demanded DPM and all big positions. :)
I doubt Uhuru can trust Raila to be PORK - because trust me if he was to short-change Ruto - Ruto will also short-change him - and only beneficiary will be Raila.
In this game - ignore the pawns and focus on the main movers
1) Raila
2) Uhuru
3) Ruto
Each roughly control anything 25-30% of the national total votes directly without a coalition partner.
Now if Uhuru ditches Ruto - Ruto also goes to Raila to exact his revenge - and Raila wins - and rule the way he wants - with Executive Power - I don't think Raila just want to be ceremonial PORK.
In my view Raila is scare-crow that Uhuru is using not steal alone or monopolize power now - he is playing both Raila and Ruto so he can spend the next five years linning up his pockets - and then go home - with handsome retirement package.
He knows very well the hue & cry that will great any suggestion to extend power, the impossibility of wielding such power with Raila (and Ruto) and finally he is not politically gifted to pull such moves. Ruto and Raila could definitely pull a extension of power - but you cannot use prov administration or security to do that.
That is why people close to him like Matiangi - are trying to position themselves to be the future PMs. They know very well Uhuru is going home.
And as long as Uhuru is going home - and Ruto is facing Raila - it will be easy game.
Anyway let BBI square them circles first.
All that depends on wording of your hypothetical BBI 2.0.Typically the president is allowed to dissolve the cabinet.In any case Uhuru as pm would be toppled via simple majority.Anyway this game is for Uhuru to make the first move..it either he picks Raila or Ruto...then we proceed from there.
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In politics if everyone thinks you're so clever - you're in fact a fool. It took Raila many years to learn this. I doubt Ruto will ever get it. The meek, cowardly, humble Moi, Kibaki then Uhuru got in before the rubble rousers - Jaramogi, Matiba, Raila Ruto.
1. Never outshine the master
3. Conceal your intentions
4. Always say less than necessary :)
There you go with usual subjective analysis.Uhuru for example became pork by making a deal with Ruto... otherwise Kibaki was with maDVD.There are no rules otherwise many would be pork including Kalonzo the meek one.The only rule of the game is to be strategic, tactical, cunning and nimble.Most important you have to realize nobody will make your pork..you need to invest your time, money( a lot of it), energy and bit of luck to build & grow your political base.
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Robina - and seem you have a lot of reconcilliation to do with Uhuru - before unleashing BBI 2.0
Another source said the President said he was still committed to one-man, one-vote, one-shilling, meaning that he still prefers a presidential system.
That is doublespeak for "I will be Exec PM"... so long as he is running again there will be overhaul of the system. Why do you think he appends "one shilling" if not to mock Kioni and Tangatanga?
It seems pretty obvious what kamwana's intentions are. At a minimum, given the way he has been mistreating the hustler, it's naive to think he plans to hand over the instruments of state to him(yes, Presidential elections are fake in Kenya). He does not.
Kamwana seems ready to smoothen the way for Babu should he fail to hang on for himself. This determination was fueled by Ruto's scorn and backstabbing especially in his backyard. Uhuru and Mama Ngina are very bitter and vindictive. They will sell out Gema to punish Ruto.
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Robina - and seem you have a lot of reconcilliation to do with Uhuru - before unleashing BBI 2.0
Another source said the President said he was still committed to one-man, one-vote, one-shilling, meaning that he still prefers a presidential system.
That is doublespeak for "I will be Exec PM"... so long as he is running again there will be overhaul of the system. Why do you think he appends "one shilling" if not to mock Kioni and Tangatanga?
It seems pretty obvious what kamwana's intentions are. At a minimum, given the way he has been mistreating the hustler, it's naive to think he plans to hand over the instruments of state to him(yes, Presidential elections are fake in Kenya). He does not.
Kamwana seems ready to smoothen the way for Babu should he fail to hang on for himself. This determination was fueled by Ruto's scorn and backstabbing especially in his backyard. Uhuru and Mama Ngina are very bitter and vindictive. They will sell out Gema to punish Ruto.
Ruto saved Jubilee after Tuju & Murathe bungled the nomination.Ruto had to literally sleep in Pangani for 3 days.The sore losers from mt Kenya went independent and we're all whipped except for Jungle of Thika and Isaac Mwaura.The haven't learnt nothing except for kabogo..the rest are still blaming Ruto. Uhuru main beef with Ruto is power sharing & the feeling Ruto outstole him in the first regime.After snatching SGR from Wanjigi mouth Uhuru he drank himself silly only for Ruto to take 10% of development budget for 5yrs... monitoring everything item above 500m..I believe he got NSIS report that showed Ruto was nearly matching Uhuru in landholding and other assets.Can Uhuru or mt Kenya trust Raila..hell No No.You know Ruto is interested in stealing but has no revenge mission like Raila...Raila is not interested in making money...he is interested in righting the wrongs that have been visited on odingas n Luis.
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I am not sure what makes Ruto more trustworthy than Raila. The Mt Kenya situation is caused by years of anti-Raila propaganda which can easily be done to Ruto and is already underway. Between now, through BBI referendum and 2022 Ruto will supplant Raila as kimündü the Kikuyu-evicting ogre. There is ample material and history for that.
Objectively,
1. Ruto backstabbing is worse than Raila. He has a long history of Chesire, Saina, Jirongo, Mutula Snr, Moi, Raila, Uhuru and litany of betrayals
2. Kalenjin are genocidal. If you fall out with Luo you merely get fired or stone throwing, noone dies
3. Raila is on the clock so he is more likely to settle for less than Ruto
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Ruto has made it impossible for Uhuru pple to make case against him in GEMA..by smartly refusing to engage...he basically focuses on Raila and even the media..accuses Raila of betwitching Uhuru using Enugu spirit.The other part of course is Ruto has 1m kikuyu diaspora as his hostage.This time round GEMA is truly cornered.Imagine having to choose btw Raila with huge axe and Ruto holding your people under hostage.Ruto is offering DPORk n 50-50 in a surebet jubilee gov.Raila is offering a non existent executive PM.Raila has no history of honouring his deals...Ruto has worked with GEMA for all these years.The immediate concern for GEMA is of course to maintain peace in rift valley...and that they can only do by honouring their commitment to Ruto otherwise we are back to 2007.
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Ruto got Gema through MLOLONGO - rigging out Kabogos, Kagwes, Kamandas, Kinuthia Mbuguas, PKs. Not any magic or vision. It same as Raila Trojan 1.0 merging NDP with Kanu to bag MATUSA and Kadu. Todate Raila is a national leader with Luo, half Luhya, half NFD, half Gusii and Coast. Ruto blunder was pulling it on a young, incumbent prince which exposed him to the retribution you see now. It would have been a better play to remain loyal and bet on Uhuru and Mama Ngina good faith. But the hare-brained, faithless backstabber couldn't help it. He is a fool who stupidly copy-paste Raila Trojan and Kibaki borrow&build fwaa without deep introspection.
Uhuru is legitimately angry and is not betraying Ruto. Of course the brazen backstabbing has opened the door for Trojan 2.0... his worst nightmare.
This is why i think Uhuru is serious with Amend Katiba for PM Madness.
3. The reason Uhuru/Kibicho/Matiang'i are so damn brutal on Mt. Kenya leaders supporting TangaTanga/Ruto is because of no. 2. In that there was an assumption that Mt. Kenya would automatically follow Uhuru on cue on this PM thing was dangled. But to their surprise the whole thing has proved very unpopular in Mt. Kenya. And therefore they now seek to cajole and openly threaten. Logically if Uhuru was "playing trick" on Raila I doubt he would let his backyard leaders be "molested..." What would be the point anyway? Why would he want to leave Presidency quarreling with "his people" if he wasn't serious?
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Ruto has made it impossible for Uhuru pple to make case against him in GEMA..by smartly refusing to engage...he basically focuses on Raila and even the media..accuses Raila of betwitching Uhuru using Enugu spirit.The other part of course is Ruto has 1m kikuyu diaspora as his hostage.This time round GEMA is truly cornered.Imagine having to choose btw Raila with huge axe and Ruto holding your people under hostage.Ruto is offering DPORk n 50-50 in a surebet jubilee gov.Raila is offering a non existent executive PM.Raila has no history of honouring his deals...Ruto has worked with GEMA for all these years.The immediate concern for GEMA is of course to maintain peace in rift valley...and that they can only do by honouring their commitment to Ruto otherwise we are back to 2007.
Ruto is a world-class backstabber with long track record of betrayals and traitorship. He easily floors Raila in backstabbing just as he dethroned Kenyatta and Mois in looting.
About RV hostages - Ruto desperation for Gema votes makes that moot. He start war: he lose all diaspora - Kikuyu, Luhya, Gusii. He probably wind up back in Hague. Unlike Uhuru case which was terminated, Ruto case was only postponed if am right. He cannot start war and suffer triple tragedy of political loss, casualties and ICC. No, Kalenjin like Mungiki don't organize and arm themselves without incitement, sponsorship and planning.
Jubilee mlolongo was real. Waititu confessed recently that Ruto helped him beat Kabogo - while explaining why he backed Ruto as the genesis of his EACC troubles. Sonko equally brazenly rigged out PK with triple voting by his makanga and slum followers. Under Ruto supervision. Kinuthia Mbugua was brazenly rigged out by Kinyanjui - with fake pre-marked ballots ala Moi days. Ruto handiwork. Some lies you can tell at Mavoko bar but not here at Nipate.
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There you go with usual subjective analysis.Uhuru for example became pork by making a deal with Ruto... otherwise Kibaki was with maDVD.There are no rules otherwise many would be pork including Kalonzo the meek one.The only rule of the game is to be strategic, tactical, cunning and nimble.Most important you have to realize nobody will make your pork..you need to invest your time, money( a lot of it), energy and bit of luck to build & grow your political base.
Where do you get the wisdom that any of these qualities work. Being a loudmouth backstabbing KYM - "hardwork" - is exactly how not to win the presidency in Africa. Loyalty and meekness is a better strategy. Kalonzo or Madvd have a better chance of landing SH than Ruto or Raila. Look at Raila, he is winding up as ceremonial PORK with a long "reform" CV. Uhuru is more lucky than anything. Ruto is very unlikely to ever be PORK or exec PM. The best he gets is KYM - DPM or DPORK.
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This is my reading of the situation on the ground. Na niko ground and here and about.
1. At this time THERE IS SIMPLY NO WAY Ruto can use Gema RV as hostages. If he does or tries or something like even a false flag take place, then the full force of Dynasties will be activated to finish him and isolate "his people (Kalenjins)". In short he would be shooting himself in the foot and mouth and everywhere by giving his enemies the excuse they seek.. It would simply be dumb. Period.
2. Ruto is enjoying Mt. Kenya support NOT because they are intimidated but because of their own agenda/interests as they see them. Eg:,
(A) Uhuru is giving Mt Kenya some PM. Parliamentary system. In this system any serious Kikuyu analyst can see IT IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE FOR MT. KENYA. Reason being Mt. Kenya would be GIVING UP their numerical advantage for something they cannot control. As Constitution stand at the moment, a Mt Kenya is almost guaranteed the President itself or Deputy President. The worst is probably Majority Leader. This is because of massive vote numbers. Simple. Anyone who wants Presidency MUST consider how to play game and accommodate Gema otherwise Gema can organize and form alliance with anyone else.
With what Uhuru's PM thing, the future would be dire. Mt. Kenya advantage of numbers would be neutralised. Indeed IF KAMATUSA GROUPINGS can hold on as a block then anyone from that Block would ALWAYS BE HAVING THE UPPER HAND. Just check number of parliamentary seats. It would be such a block that would now have advantage. This is like Kanu/Kadu all over again. Therefore it makes little sense for Mt. Kenya to agree to such. It's like shooting yourself in the head and then relying on expertise and Doctors mercy to survive. It's lunacy.
Therefore Gema can see that this thing PM is BENEFITING UHURU ALONE. He hasn't factored in future after him. Therefore it makes all the more sense for Mt Kenya to stick with Jubilee Deal and have Ruto take over with a Mt Kenya running mate. After Ruto, the said running mate will have a better chance...
(B) Ruto "humbleness" or "loyalty" or perception of those virtues in him also endears him to Mt. Kenya. It goes like this: "we" (Mt. Kenya) have severally formed alliance with Raila but it has never worked or when it worked it ended up being chaotic. Kibaki/Raila 2002 hardly lasted 1yr before "makelele" started and disharmony in government. It became like 2 governments in one culminating in 2005 Referendum fiasco. Which then went on to poisonous 2007 "41 vs 1" vitriolic campaign led by Raila which gave us 2007/08 civil war. Then birthing of PM Raila which then was full of recriminations till the end.
Now that is contrasted with Uhuru/Ruto alliance which is viewed as stable. And that Ruto has not undermined or disrespected Uhuru or sabotaged anything. Therefore people ask: "kwanini sasa tuachane na Ruto twende kwa Raila?" what has changed? This question cannot be adequately answered by anyone. No one has a convincing reason apart from Uhuru will STILL BE HAVING POWER.
(C) Another reason for Ruto support is being promoted convincingly by Kikuyu Diaspora in RV. The 2007/08 violence was extreme in RV between Kales and Kikuyu. One would expect maybe Kikuyus not to trust a Kale in power but that hasn't worked that way. They reason that since Ruto joined Uhuru there has been peace and goodwill. They not only share a border with Kales but their lives are intertwined much more. And Kales supported Uhuru to a man and they haven't caused any trouble therefore Why Should they risk such by following Uhuru to a place they don't understand? Then they say they don't share border with Luos (only meet in towns) therefore why would they now abandon their next door for someone across the sea yet there are no benefits? What for? Why would they create political tensions for just because Uhuru can be PM? And yet Uhuru government is even yet to pay so many IDPs compensation as government promised long ago?
Those are key factors that favour Ruto in Mt. Kenya and Diaspora.
Having said that, this BBI need to be sabotaged. I have no simple answer as most politicians in Kenya have no principles, they just follow power and money. But parliamentary system is not good for Kenya. Period.
Ruto has made it impossible for Uhuru pple to make case against him in GEMA..by smartly refusing to engage...he basically focuses on Raila and even the media..accuses Raila of betwitching Uhuru using Enugu spirit.The other part of course is Ruto has 1m kikuyu diaspora as his hostage.This time round GEMA is truly cornered.Imagine having to choose btw Raila with huge axe and Ruto holding your people under hostage.Ruto is offering DPORk n 50-50 in a surebet jubilee gov.Raila is offering a non existent executive PM.Raila has no history of honouring his deals...Ruto has worked with GEMA for all these years.The immediate concern for GEMA is of course to maintain peace in rift valley...and that they can only do by honouring their commitment to Ruto otherwise we are back to 2007.
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Wakili Garlv,I agree with most of what you say except I don't think Uhuru is that greedy or dumb like Robina would like.I mean reading Robina is quite some comedy... somebody hands you power 3 times and you're worried about which camp MPs are in.The MPs n MCAs are with the GEMA people.There is no politician you can buy his loyalty if the ground is hostile
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Garliv you are correct about Ruto and Mt Kenya. With the "small miss" you don't get about mlolongo. He has not convinced them of anything. He bought them by rigging. Now the other problem is Uhuru will physically bar Tangatanga from mobillizing and holding rallies in Mt Kenya - all indicators are there. I expect "angry youth" in Ichaweri to chase Kuria out of town with nyahunyo soon as Kibicho mboys stand by. Kiunjuri will not manage to hold any public rallies in Nyeri or Mt Kenya West - Wambugu with Kibicho backing will not let him. If they attempt to fight back their goons promptly get arrested and charged. PORK can apply this brazen double standard - Moi used to do this to Kalenjin rebels. As they lose ground presence and appeal - they will rush back to Uhuru corner. It is very hard to battle a reining prince in his turf.
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Robina,
I have heard about Mlolongo and how Ruto out manoeuvred akina Murathe, Kabogo and others. Yes, there is that group and they are extremely HAPPY that Ruto's chicken are coming home to roost, as they say. But i have always wondered HOW ACTUALLY RUTO DID IT. reason being were they not involved? How could Ruto clandestinely achieve that?
Nevertheless, that is water under the bridge. But should not be a reason to reject Ruto or go into this extreme of amending the constitution and Uhuru presenting himself as voilà SAVIOUR. Even more importantly Robina you fail to explain HOW then does it happen that Ruto has majority support of the populace in Mt. Kenya? If Ruto did actually rig these MPs in, logic dictates he would be unpopular in the region. But quite the opposite!
If Uhuru feelings were hurt that should not be a reason to impose his version of "what is good". And it's because of this i believe Uhuru is serious with this BBI thing cause he wouldn't be doing it just because Ruto pulled a stunt to rig MPs.
And yes, you are spot on. War has been declared. In Mt. Kenya Uhuru groups and accompanying State Organs are getting serious to force BBI consent. We shall see how far they succeed but he may actually face open rebellion that he won't even believe it.
The good thing that might happen here is that finally Mt. Kenya might get an alternative leader from Uhuru. Uhuru deliberately and consciously has made sure that no one else from Mt Kenya got limelight to rival him. He never and doesn't consider alternative to himself
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Garliv you are correct about Ruto and Mt Kenya. With the "small miss" you don't get about mlolongo. He has not convinced them of anything. He bought them by rigging. Now the other problem is Uhuru will physically bar Tangatanga from mobillizing and holding rallies in Mt Kenya - all indicators are there. I expect "angry youth" in Ichaweri to chase Kuria out of town with nyahunyo soon as Kibicho mboys stand by. Kiunjuri will not manage to hold any public rallies in Nyeri or Mt Kenya West - Wambugu with Kibicho backing will not let him. If they attempt to fight back their goons promptly get arrested and charged. PORK can apply this brazen double standard - Moi used to do this to Kalenjin rebels. As they lose ground presence and appeal - they will rush back to Uhuru corner. It is very hard to battle a reining prince in his turf.
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Ruto had alot of power as co-president in Jubilee 1.0. TNA bent over backwards to accommodate his demands. He forced merger despite protests from small folks like Munya and Isaac Ruto. They were overrun. In Nairobi, if you had ears on the ground, Sonko rigged brazenly by getting his makanga thugs to vote, rub off the ink and vote again. This Ruto encouraged so as to lock out PK. In Kiambu he allowed Waititu to rig - a record-setting 6-to-1 margin against Kabogo. Nakuru, Nyeri and many places the same. He wiped out any sign of resistance. Uhuru knew this and even the looting but was powerless to act cause he needed him to beat Raila.
Rigging in primaries and even the main ballot is commonplace in Kenya. Why are you surprised?
Robina,
I have heard about Mlolongo and how Ruto out manoeuvred akina Murathe, Kabogo and others. Yes, there is that group and they are extremely HAPPY that Ruto's chicken are coming home to roost, as they say. But i have always wondered HOW ACTUALLY RUTO DID IT. reason being were they not involved? How could Ruto clandestinely achieve that?
Oh come on, why is Ruto popular at Wanjiku's? The hoi polloi are sheeple who follow their leaders blindly. Once you were rigged out of Jubilee the 6-piece suit voting ensured you were done. Same as ODM zones where Ojaamongs rigged out Otuomas. Without the corterie of mlolongo crew Ruto would be unwelcome in Mt Kenya. That is why he dares not react to Uhuru. The trouble is MPs can be silenced by fiat Moi-style. I see this happening. Governors Waititu, Kiraitu, Muthomi Njuki, etc already been silenced. Sonko was a Ruto diehard before he saw red. If Tangatanga are barred from rallies and Kameme in Central, Twitter will not sustain them. I doubt Ruto can risk the embarrassment of teargas. He will delegate to Nyoro and Kuria to hide in Karen - and face Raila in non-Gema. The "we are playing Raila" narrative is dead.
Nevertheless, that is water under the bridge. But should not be a reason to reject Ruto or go into this extreme of amending the constitution and Uhuru presenting himself as voilà SAVIOUR. Even more importantly Robina you fail to explain HOW then does it happen that Ruto has majority support of the populace in Mt. Kenya? If Ruto did actually rig these MPs in, logic dictates he would be unpopular in the region. But quite the opposite!
Well spoken as a Ruto supporter. I suppose Uhuru always had evil designs which motivated Ruto to hedge via the pyrrhic mlolongo. This makes it easier for Uhuru to trash the MOU. As a Raila backer, I couldn't care less the real reason for the mayhem. What we get, is 1)evil Ruto is barred from power 2)equitable parliamentary dilutes Kikuyu-Kalenjin duopoly 3)Raila gets some peace from thankless kiongozi ya upinzani donkey work. It's Ruto's turn to face the machinery. The best outcome from all this is the parliamentary system.
O, Wanjiku knows nothing about the de/merits of the systems - she just follows the leaders. She's a sheep.
If Uhuru feelings were hurt that should not be a reason to impose his version of "what is good". And it's because of this i believe Uhuru is serious with this BBI thing cause he wouldn't be doing it just because Ruto pulled a stunt to rig MPs.
And yes, you are spot on. War has been declared. In Mt. Kenya Uhuru groups and accompanying State Organs are getting serious to force BBI consent. We shall see how far they succeed but he may actually face open rebellion that he won't even believe it.
No, I don't see Kiunjuri and Ruto winning this fight. Uhuru has all the tools. He banishes them brutally from the scene. He promotes their opponents. He addresses the farmers plight and confiscates their propaganda means. He has all the tools. Outside Mt Kenya of course you can see what is happening - it's a rout. Ruto's unbeatable facade is broken and he needs to "show a winning formula" - another Pundit gem. :)
The good thing that might happen here is that finally Mt. Kenya might get an alternative leader from Uhuru. Uhuru deliberately and consciously has made sure that no one else from Mt Kenya got limelight to rival him. He never and doesn't consider alternative to himself
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Robina with class 2 politics kweli.Eti Mlolongo and then powerful Uhuru become Moi. The desperation you have is laughable...there is nothing that Uhuru crew have not thrown the last two years at Mt kenya and all has backfired.The problem is not MPS or economy or Uhuru..the problem is selling Raila in mt kenya is attempting to sell pork in Saudi Arabia.
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Noone is selling Raila - for what? He is running circles around Ruto in non-Gema. That his value to Uhuru. Ruto has to face Uhuru in Central and that won't go well. You and Ruto frame it as Raila-v -Ruto... cause you're desperate to believe Uhuru is only "bewitched" :D and not really going for PM. Just as your longterm clinging to Uhurutopia - what more delusional than that?
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Uhuru the one we know is going home unless he amend the constitution. While constitution remain as is - yours is just delusion. Your dream parliamentary system remain in the realm of delusional Robina Ideas 2022. Even BBI 2.0 proponents are not rooting for that - just a more powerful PM.
We know main competitor for 2022 will be Raila and Ruto. Those are nearly certain.
Now if Uhuru want to continue after Orengo delivers new constitution by June - he can join ODM and become the PM - he has two ways around this - quit Jubilee and join ODM or form another party - or well make Jubilee merge with ODM after killing most of Jubilee party leadership & membership.
Anyway let see if Tuju who was not able to save Raila from a contest in Kibra - will survive the march party election.
After that let us have new constitution delivered courtsey of Orengo in six months!!!
Some of the jokes we entertain here :)
Noone is selling Raila - for what? He is running circles around Ruto in non-Gema. That his value to Uhuru. Ruto has to face Uhuru in Central and that won't go well. You and Ruto frame it as Raila-v -Ruto... cause you're desperate to believe Uhuru is only "bewitched" :D and not really going for PM. Just as your longterm clinging to Uhurutopia - what more delusional than that?
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Noone speak for Uhuru or Raila here so it all theorizing. If we are to be "factual" yes katiba bar Uhuru. But we also see some wazee pretending to gather views in 5star hotel pocketing big allowances. We see Ruto and his minions being mishandled by GoK. We see Raila at the podium with Uhuru and walking with CS's and GoK largesse. We see angry, bitter Ruto shouting Raila has bewitched Uhuru. But you tell us they are playing Raila for 2 years now. Objective my foot.
Jubilee elections is the new cameo. James Bond made in Kenya. Uhuru let loose his dogs to hound Ruto in Kibra. Letting him steamroll the boardroom nomination was easily a calculation. As is emerging with BBI rallies, Ruto cannot beat Uhuru-Raila combo. I don't see anything difficult about strong-arming Ruto in Jubilee. Uhuru is not Kibaki coward.
No, the main competitors will be Uhuru, Raila, Ruto. The latter need to rope in a Luhya or something - while he has a chance - Kiunjuri is DOA. You can entertain Uhuru-Raila vs Ruto-Kiunjuri - or you can bury your head in the sand as BBI pounce on your ass. Even Manyora and every analyst I saw on YouTube is pitying your boy.
What makes the parliamentary system unimaginable in Kenya? It was there in 63-64. It is there globally. It is there in most of the Commonwealth. It reputable panacea in sociopolitically diverse countries. Presidents- turned- PM are precedented worldwide. What is big about parliamentary again? Any objective reason apart from it's Ruto turn to be imperial president.
Uhuru the one we know is going home unless he amend the constitution. While constitution remain as is - yours is just delusion. Your dream parliamentary system remain in the realm of delusional Robina Ideas 2022. Even BBI 2.0 proponents are not rooting for that - just a more powerful PM.
We know main competitor for 2022 will be Raila and Ruto. Those are nearly certain.
Now if Uhuru want to continue after Orengo delivers new constitution by June - he can join ODM and become the PM - he has two ways around this - quit Jubilee and join ODM or form another party - or well make Jubilee merge with ODM after killing most of Jubilee party leadership & membership.
Anyway let see if Tuju who was not able to save Raila from a contest in Kibra - will survive the march party election.
After that let us have new constitution delivered courtsey of Orengo in six months!!!
Some of the jokes we entertain here :)
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First, you conflate your personal wishes of a parliamentary system - with the political realities of the day. Once you are able to separate the two, you'll make a lot more progress in your political punditry. Nobody in our political class interested in good governance - all of them are interested in sharing or not sharing political spoils (aka stealing).
Secondly you are assuming just because Uhuru or Raila want the constitution amended - it can be done. The constitution protect itself from such shenanigans. It not easy - I have given you the nitty-gritties that need to be done. Orengo in desperation wants it done in six months - I am telling you - that won't be easy in two years. Least when Uhuru-Raila do not control both houses of parliament. That is where the cookie will crumble...assuming it get there...so many hurdles before it reaches there. All it takes is one house to never debate the constitutional amendment bill..and it goes into abeyance.
So don't get ahead of yourself.
The near term thing to watch is Jubilee party elections - there are two ways - Ruto gets his way and we have new elections - or Uhuru get his way & NEC postpone elections or well both Uhuru & Ruto agree like they did BBI.
I find this idea that BBI after 2yrs and 10 Billion Kshs - agreeing with Ruto - just for sijui as a detour - to ensare tangatanga - really incredible.It not logically. It not rational. It's insane.And then we get into helter-skelter where Raila is desperately trying to enact a new BBI and new constitution six months later - like seriously?
Me think Uhuru betrayed a lot of folks in BBI - and they are ones who really need to re-examine their political strategy :)
Noone speak for Uhuru or Raila here so it all theorizing. If we are to be "factual" yes katiba bar Uhuru. But we also see some wazee pretending to gather views in 5star hotel pocketing big allowances. We see Ruto and his minions being mishandled by GoK. We see Raila at the podium with Uhuru and walking with CS's and GoK largesse. We see angry, bitter Ruto shouting Raila has bewitched Uhuru. But you tell us they are playing Raila for 2 years now. Objective my foot.
Jubilee elections is the new cameo. James Bond made in Kenya. Uhuru let loose his dogs to hound Ruto in Kibra. Letting him steamroll the boardroom nomination was easily a calculation. As is emerging with BBI rallies, Ruto cannot beat Uhuru-Raila combo. I don't see anything difficult about strong-arming Ruto in Jubilee. He is not Kibaki coward.
No, the main competitors will be Uhuru, Raila, Ruto. The latter need to rope in a Luhya or something - while he has a chance - Kiunjuri is DOA. You can entertain Uhuru-Raila vs Ruto-Kiunjuri - or you can bury your head in the sand as BBI pounce on your ass. Even Manyora and every analyst I saw on YouTube is pitying your boy.
What makes the parliamentary system unimaginable in Kenya? It was there in 63-64. It is there globally. It is there in most of the Commonwealth. It reputable panacea in sociopolitically diverse countries. Presidents- turned- PM are precedented worldwide. What is big about parliamentary again? Any objective reason apart from it's Ruto turn to be imperial president.
Uhuru the one we know is going home unless he amend the constitution. While constitution remain as is - yours is just delusion. Your dream parliamentary system remain in the realm of delusional Robina Ideas 2022. Even BBI 2.0 proponents are not rooting for that - just a more powerful PM.
We know main competitor for 2022 will be Raila and Ruto. Those are nearly certain.
Now if Uhuru want to continue after Orengo delivers new constitution by June - he can join ODM and become the PM - he has two ways around this - quit Jubilee and join ODM or form another party - or well make Jubilee merge with ODM after killing most of Jubilee party leadership & membership.
Anyway let see if Tuju who was not able to save Raila from a contest in Kibra - will survive the march party election.
After that let us have new constitution delivered courtsey of Orengo in six months!!!
Some of the jokes we entertain here :)
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Pundit senior Ruto crew member Benji Washiali was hiding in Kisumu. After going MIA in Mumias yesterday. Can't stand no teargas or one-for-the- team in cold cell. :)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-19-im-okay-and-safe-washiali-says-after-echesa-claims/
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Pundit and that conjecture is pointless, the ground is hostile to your boy. A real grove coming up tomorrow - let see how it goes. It will be a good indicator of Ruto vs Raila-Uhuru combo. But this not life- n death but is an ok indicator
Ruto, Raila eye CoG command in Monday polls
• Ruto's camp said to be pushing for Mandera's Ali Roba to take over the reins.
• President said to be keen on having Oparanya retain his seat out of fear installing a highly critical regime at CoG could disrupt his programmes.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-19-ruto-raila-eye-cog-command-in-monday-polls/
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Uhuru (Kibicho boys at DCI & DPP) has governors by their balls thanks to Judiciary making bad ruling that has basically destroyed devolution. This is why constitutional law is very difficult for many of these judges & magistrate.
If the supreme court doesn't clarify what happens to gov facing trial - then governors will forever remain subservient to DPP.
Pundit and that conjecture is pointless, the ground is hostile to your boy. A real grove coming up tomorrow - let see how it goes. It will be a good indicator of Ruto vs Raila-Uhuru combo. But this not life- n death but is an ok indicator
Ruto, Raila eye CoG command in Monday polls
• Ruto's camp said to be pushing for Mandera's Ali Roba to take over the reins.
• President said to be keen on having Oparanya retain his seat out of fear installing a highly critical regime at CoG could disrupt his programmes.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-19-ruto-raila-eye-cog-command-in-monday-polls/
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Why are you celebrating the return of police state? Is Ruto such a demon you'd rather we went back to Moi era. Now what if you wake up to the news that Uhuru has died after overdosing viagra :) and RUto is the NEW PORK :) :) Where will you hide?
What Kibicho is doing in kenya in 21st century is truly regrettable - and because the opposition has gone to bed - this may become normal again.
Pundit senior Ruto crew member Benji Washiali was hiding in Kisumu. After going MIA in Mumias yesterday. Can't stand no teargas or one-for-the- team in cold cell. :)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-19-im-okay-and-safe-washiali-says-after-echesa-claims/
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In that case Ruto should win this secret ballot hands down.
Uhuru (Kibicho boys at DCI & DPP) has governors by their balls thanks to Judiciary making bad ruling that has basically destroyed devolution. This is why constitutional law is very difficult for many of these judges & magistrate.
If the supreme court doesn't clarify what happens to gov facing trial - then governors will forever remain subservient to DPP.
Pundit and that conjecture is pointless, the ground is hostile to your boy. A real grove coming up tomorrow - let see how it goes. It will be a good indicator of Ruto vs Raila-Uhuru combo. But this not life- n death but is an ok indicator
Ruto, Raila eye CoG command in Monday polls
• Ruto's camp said to be pushing for Mandera's Ali Roba to take over the reins.
• President said to be keen on having Oparanya retain his seat out of fear installing a highly critical regime at CoG could disrupt his programmes.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-19-ruto-raila-eye-cog-command-in-monday-polls/
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:) very rich. We warned you about this and many things - instead you celebrated Babu Owino and Miguna incarceration and harassment. Democracy is not a convenience - you either support or reject it all the time.
I am just a realist now. This coward should brave the bedbugs if he is a patriot. And yes Ruto is one of the worst things that could happen to Kenya.
Why are you celebrating the return of police state? Is Ruto such a demon you'd rather we went back to Moi era. Now what if you wake up to the news that Uhuru has died after overdosing viagra :) and RUto is the NEW PORK :) :) Where will you hide?
What Kibicho is doing in kenya in 21st century is truly regrettable - and because the opposition has gone to bed - this may become normal again.
Pundit senior Ruto crew member Benji Washiali was hiding in Kisumu. After going MIA in Mumias yesterday. Can't stand no teargas or one-for-the- team in cold cell. :)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-01-19-im-okay-and-safe-washiali-says-after-echesa-claims/
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Treason is different from holding a political rally. Why would Ben Washiali spend time in cell? He is more useful in parliament as Jubilee Chief Whip.
:) very rich. We warned you about this and many things - instead you celebrated Babu Owino and Miguna incarceration and harassment. Democracy is not a convenience - you either support or reject it all the time.
I am just a realist now. This coward should brave the bedbugs if he is a patriot. And yes Ruto is one of the worst things that could happen to Kenya.
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And then gain what? Isaac Ruto was Chair and he was voted out - So was Munya. Chair of Governors is useless position. You should know that already. The winner will sit down with Ruto as per constitution and bring their issues there.
In that case Ruto should win this secret ballot hands down.
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Well Benji was MIA at Mumias as Didimas and Echesa squared out with the mboys. Miguna is a special case of GoK impunity not that I pity the man. He enjoys the attention too much. Of course it comical for Kuria and Tangatanga crew to demand his reprieve. The point is that impunity has come full circle.
Treason is different from holding a political rally. Why would Ben Washiali spend time in cell? He is more useful in parliament as Jubilee Chief Whip.
:) very rich. We warned you about this and many things - instead you celebrated Babu Owino and Miguna incarceration and harassment. Democracy is not a convenience - you either support or reject it all the time.
I am just a realist now. This coward should brave the bedbugs if he is a patriot. And yes Ruto is one of the worst things that could happen to Kenya.
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The embittered ODM point that everyone knows is simple. You're willing to let kenya drown simply because she has refused your man to lead her. You're the most dangerous threat to our democracy and progress..and we know it. That is why you're willing to remove term limits and undo all democratic gains. Nothing matters anymore. Your bitterness morphed into cynicism and recklessness.
Well Benji was MIA at Mumias as Didimas and Echesa squared out with the mboys. Miguna is a special case of GoK impunity not that I pity the man. He enjoys the attention too much. Of course it comical for Kuria and Tangatanga crew to demand his reprieve. The point is that impunity has come full circle.
Treason is different from holding a political rally. Why would Ben Washiali spend time in cell? He is more useful in parliament as Jubilee Chief Whip.
:) very rich. We warned you about this and many things - instead you celebrated Babu Owino and Miguna incarceration and harassment. Democracy is not a convenience - you either support or reject it all the time.
I am just a realist now. This coward should brave the bedbugs if he is a patriot. And yes Ruto is one of the worst things that could happen to Kenya.
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In short Ruto has no chance against Uhuru-Raila.
And then gain what? Isaac Ruto was Chair and he was voted out - So was Munya. Chair of Governors is useless position. You should know that already. The winner will sit down with Ruto as per constitution and bring their issues there.
In that case Ruto should win this secret ballot hands down.
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Of course except Uhuru is going home - and Raila has no chance against Ruto. Have a plan B - just in case Uhuru quietly retires as expected - because the mauling Ruto will deliver will be world class..
In short Ruto has no chance against Uhuru-Raila.
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@Robina,
1. My honest view is that Parliamentary system is the most unstable form of government anywhere. We may debate this till cows come home but Am yet to be convinced of its merit in an Africa setting.
Even in established democracies like UK, Italy, Apartheid Israel, Spain etc end up producing UNSTABLE governments which collapse regularly. If it were to be in Kenya then immediately after elections you'd have lots of cash exchanging hands to bring down the government. We would be heading to elections like every year. Then cronyism and need to bribe and kiss MPs asses would exponentially get worse. Then add the tribal aspect of Kenyan politics and the whole thing becomes incendiary. Very volatile.
Even Imperialists Americans know this. That is why why impose some parliamentary system on conquered countries because such countries are very difficult to rise again or be global powers. (UK has been only exception here). It is simply a bad system. Presidential system isn't problem free but it's better by far.
2. I understand where you are coming from as a Raila supporter. But to me i think Raila is mistaken if he truly believes Parliamentary system is good for him. It isn't. Even Oginga and Jomo conspired together to get rid of such a system in Kenya. And they were right.
In Kenya the "minorities" would actually be at the forefront leadership in a parliamentary system. It may surprise Uhuru/Raila when results for MP trickles in they find they simply have no numbers to do what they want.
3. Whereas we can disagree on politics and favourites politicians we should NOT disagree on some basic principles. That what Uhuru/Raila team are doing using State organs to intimidate and threaten POLITICAL OPPONENTS is wrong. Very wrong. It is evident that despite credentials for inhaling teargas and withstanding sometimes unwarranted police brutality, Raila doesn't mind so long the same is dished out to his political opponents.
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PUNDIT,
Again do not underestimate the will of the desperate: in this case Uhuru/Raila fighting to have their way. They simply don't seem to care if they mess the country or the economy to achieve their end. They are ready to force it. They can do whatever necessary to have referendum done by this year. They can expedite or cut corners. Ivory towers mentality. But do not underestimate their determination.
Of course except Uhuru is going home - and Raila has no chance against Ruto. Have a plan B - just in case Uhuru quietly retires as expected - because the mauling Ruto will deliver will be world class..
In short Ruto has no chance against Uhuru-Raila.
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Garliv,
Parliamentary for me has these merits
1. Equity and dilution of tyranny. The Kikuyu-Kalenjin monopoly is a major source of bad feelings of inequality among other groups not just Luos. Even in the imperial US you have the electoral college to manage tyranny. California and New York are Kikuyu and Kalenjin.
2. Accountability - separation of the ceremonial state from the daily government. Look at the UK where Boris Johnson has to account for his Brexit plans inch by inch. In Kenya lazy Kibaki signed off an island to a foreigner bila maswali. Even this harassment you are complaining about - Uhuru or Matiang'i are unaccoutable due to the opaqueness and impunity of the president. Uhuru talks to the media, MPs or judges when he chooses. Brat can't even be grilled. He alters bills and needs supermajority to overule him. Peolple are accused of disrespecting him before the lynching. Imperial president is impunity 101. National policy should be properly debated and that should not be the preserve of State House. PM is grillable and challengeable. He does not veto laws and such extra-legal powers. He is accountable.
3. UK is not the only successful parliamentary system. 95% of the first world is parliamentary. UK, Canada, Germany, Japan, Aussie, NZ, Israel, etc. The US has anti-tyranny check.
4. Shortcomings can be fixed. Leader of the majority party or coalition is the automatic PM so no need for bribes. Jubilee would be Uhuru and to remove him Ruto crew would have to quit the party. You can't impeach PM but the entire party. Study the UK - I smell some ignorance. :) We would need good party discipline.
Regardless of the nuances - fixed terms, party elections, etc - equity and accountability are ensured.
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That what Uhuru/Raila team are doing using State organs to intimidate and threaten POLITICAL OPPONENTS is wrong. Very wrong. It is evident that despite credentials for inhaling teargas and withstanding sometimes unwarranted police brutality, Raila doesn't mind so long the same is dished out to his political opponents.
With due respect, where were these concerns when it was UhuRuto abusing state machinery to intimidate opposition? When baby Pendo and Msando died? When the Supreme Court was threatened with impunity and the DCJ's own body guard shot? Where were these concerns when Orengo warned your side to tone down the hubris and not support impunity as the same thing could be turned around and used against them when it suited the interests of whoever wielded power? Please don't let me do the work of finding examples of the kinds of posts that were being posted then, the eagerness to see Luo blood on the streets. I'm sorry, but my attitude is: Cry me a river. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Besides, what do you want? You saw what Raila used to do to resist impunity: you guys have legs to march and mouths to protest. Go ahead. No one is stopping you. 8)
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Exactly! a bunch of hypocrites now pretending to be principled. They do not care about democracy. We tried the presidential system and it is not working, so we are going to try a hybrid and see how that goes. Every country is unique and should experiment until it finds a system that is stable. Our parliamentary system will not be the same as UK or Isreal, and we are not UK, Isreal or America.
That what Uhuru/Raila team are doing using State organs to intimidate and threaten POLITICAL OPPONENTS is wrong. Very wrong. It is evident that despite credentials for inhaling teargas and withstanding sometimes unwarranted police brutality, Raila doesn't mind so long the same is dished out to his political opponents.
With due respect, where were these concerns when it was UhuRuto abusing state machinery to intimidate opposition? When baby Pendo and Msando died? When the Supreme Court was threatened with impunity and the DCJ's own body guard shot? Where were these concerns when Orengo warned your side to tone down the hubris and not support impunity as the same thing could be turned around and used against them when it suited the interests of whoever wielded power? Please don't let me do the work of finding examples of the kinds of posts that were being posted then, the eagerness to see Luo blood on the streets. I'm sorry, but my attitude is: Cry me a river. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Besides, what do you want? You saw what Raila used to do to resist impunity: you guys have legs to match and mouths to protest. Go ahead. No one is stopping you. 8)
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And debate gets hysterical!
1. NASA demonstrations/protests became nothing more than thuggery and goonery masquerading as political protests. They were lawless and destruction of property and violence was the norm. It was pure sabotage and no longer political protest. Therefore I was one of those who supported crackdown, arrests and other tactics to bring sanity into the capital. No one denied them the right to disagree with Jubilee or protest claimed rigging or go to court which they did. That is not comparable with current instigated arrests and other tactics because a politician disagree with BBI. Comparing the two is not reasonable.
2. Msando and Baby Pendo are act of criminality. They should be, and should have been investigated to their logical end. You cannot heap all imaginable acts of crimes to justify political points. Msando was obviously stealing sex from a 22yrs old and may have been hit in such love triangle. Claims that he was killed to "enable" rigging do not pass common sense test. This is a classic conspiracy theory. How would elimination of Msando ALONE in an institution like IEBC be the ONLY CRITERIA TO ENABLE RIGGING? Then in that case we should blame whoever took the role of Msando at IEBC as the culprit who allegedly rigged! Baby Pendo could or could not have been killed by a stray police bullet. It would make little sense to kill Baby Pendo when police had plenty of legitimate goons to target. But point being those are issues that need proper investigation. Maybe Raila will get time out of BBI to concentrate on it now that he's defacto PM. Point is, don't conflate issues which are not even related.
And no, i won't support Ruto or TangaTanga should they adopt NASA lawlessness.
That what Uhuru/Raila team are doing using State organs to intimidate and threaten POLITICAL OPPONENTS is wrong. Very wrong. It is evident that despite credentials for inhaling teargas and withstanding sometimes unwarranted police brutality, Raila doesn't mind so long the same is dished out to his political opponents.
With due respect, where were these concerns when it was UhuRuto abusing state machinery to intimidate opposition? When baby Pendo and Msando died? When the Supreme Court was threatened with impunity and the DCJ's own body guard shot? Where were these concerns when Orengo warned your side to tone down the hubris and not support impunity as the same thing could be turned around and used against them when it suited the interests of whoever wielded power? Please don't let me do the work of finding examples of the kinds of posts that were being posted then, the eagerness to see Luo blood on the streets. I'm sorry, but my attitude is: Cry me a river. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Besides, what do you want? You saw what Raila used to do to resist impunity: you guys have legs to march and mouths to protest. Go ahead. No one is stopping you. 8)
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Lets disagree on merits of Parliamentary System. Even the UK is on the verge of splitting because of this Parliamentary System. And don't even mention Brexit in relation to Parliamentary system. It has been turned into chaotic shambles because of Parliamentary system. It has become damn expensive and protracted because of this system. Indeed, if UK was as ethnically diverse an African country the whole country would be at civil war.
Germany was conquered and parliamentary system imposed on them so as to keep check on them. It's still an American occupied territory. Apartheid Israel is even constitutionally declared a monolithic Jewish State and yet they have difficulties forming governments. US imposed parliamentary system in Iraq (a more ethnically diverse nation) to keep it chaotic. It will spend the next 100yrs before they decide Presidential would be more uniting. Australia, NZ and Canada exterminated local inhabitants and made those countries almost mono ethnic.
If US had a Parliamentary system, they would be sacking their leader every two months especially given the power of lobbies of all sorts. Money would be dictating more than it does at the moment.
Garliv,
Parliamentary for me has these merits
1. Equity and dilution of tyranny. The Kikuyu-Kalenjin monopoly is a major source of bad feelings of inequality among other groups not just Luos. Even in the imperial US you have the electoral college to manage tyranny. California and New York are Kikuyu and Kalenjin.
2. Accountability - separation of the ceremonial state from the daily government. Look at the UK where Boris Johnson has to account for his Brexit plans inch by inch. In Kenya lazy Kibaki signed off an island to a foreigner bila maswali. Even this harassment you are complaining about - Uhuru or Matiang'i are unaccoutable due to the opaqueness and impunity of the president. Uhuru talks to the media, MPs or judges when he chooses. Brat can't even be grilled. He alters bills and needs supermajority to overule him. Peolple are accused of disrespecting him before the lynching. Imperial president is impunity 101. National policy should be properly debated and that should not be the preserve of State House. PM is grillable and challengeable. He does not veto laws and such extra-legal powers. He is accountable.
3. UK is not the only successful parliamentary system. 95% of the first world is parliamentary. UK, Canada, Germany, Japan, Aussie, NZ, Israel, etc. The US has anti-tyranny check.
4. Shortcomings can be fixed. Leader of the majority party or coalition is the automatic PM so no need for bribes. Jubilee would be Uhuru and to remove him Ruto crew would have to quit the party. You can't impeach PM but the entire party. Study the UK - I smell some ignorance. :) We would need good party discipline.
Regardless of the nuances - fixed terms, party elections, etc - equity and accountability are ensured.
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Msando was obviously stealing sex from a 22yrs old and may have been hit in such love triangle. Claims that he was killed to "enable" rigging do not pass common sense test. This is a classic conspiracy theory.
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Baby Pendo could or could not have been killed by a stray police bullet.
:)
No word about brazen Supreme Court intimidation, I see, amidst these entertaining ideas about Msando and baby Pendo (whose skull was cracked by a police rungu as they descended on a residential area, raping and brutalizing as if they were handling animals).
Like I said, cry me a river! 8)
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They want a parliamentary system yet they fear the current parliament as being under Ruto spell.Its hilarious.You want a parliamentary system vis universal suffrage when you can test run it vis parliament
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On the contrary we want the 1963 Lancaster constitution aka the Bomas Draft. Before greedy, corrupt Jomo and Moi soiled it. I have objective reasons for pushing the federal parliamentary system. In fact we are okay with Raila losing out on the ultimate prize and winding up as ceremonial president. Letting Uhuru in as Executive Prime Minister - your hitherto hero - is a minor price to pay for reforms.
You on the other hand tell us with glee how everyone is on Ruto's retainer. You want presidential but whine about the current president's impunity. Blinkers kweli.
No, Kenya will not drown. William Ruto will.
The embittered ODM point that everyone knows is simple. You're willing to let kenya drown simply because she has refused your man to lead her. You're the most dangerous threat to our democracy and progress..and we know it. That is why you're willing to remove term limits and undo all democratic gains. Nothing matters anymore. Your bitterness morphed into cynicism and recklessness.
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Raila is co-president
(https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/monday/2020_01_20_paper.png)
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001357122/raila-is-uhuru-s-new-mr-fix-it
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You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Ruto has never led a national presidential campaign out fit and he is about to find out what it takes to run at the head of a ticket. There is going to be a lot of incoming. This is nothing compared with what is going to come. Unfortunately for him there is more material to be used to go after him than Ouru or Raila. Ruto went after Raila hard but Raila had a lot of cover from his years as a 2nd liberation fighter. RAO was inoculated by a strong history of fighting for the liberation of Kenyas democractic space and his ten years stint in Jail to show. Ruto has no such cover, infact he is seen as the face of corruption and many bad acts. Without Ouru to cover him, he is very vulnerable and he needs needs buffalo skin. Like Pundit used to remind us when the shoe was on the other foot, "this is real politic".
Raila is co-president
(https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/monday/2020_01_20_paper.png)
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001357122/raila-is-uhuru-s-new-mr-fix-it
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It will be interesting what Raila's selling point will be with Ruto and his gang starting to earn pro democracy credentials of being teargassed.
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It will be interesting what Raila's selling point will be with Ruto and his gang starting to earn pro democracy credentials of being teargassed.
Gout, do you honestly think pro-democracy groups and non-Gema Raila supporters will think Ruto is the new liberator because he's fighting to be president against greedy Kamwana, his fellow thief-in-chief? Wanjiku is not very clever but don't assume she's that silly. We know Ruto is fighting for Ruto, not Kenya. So we will be entertained and see who between him and Kamwana really out-wolfs the other, that's all. So far, Kamwana has the instruments of power and mwananchi is already familiar with his bad side, hakuna big unknowns like Mr. Ruto. He gets +1 on that latter point.
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There are a sizable young voters who never saw raila the pro democrat and are living through these current teargas dramas. Pro democracy has been quite a selling point to Raila and yes, the voters are silly and are likely to buying the persecuted narrative. Humans usually treat underdogs with kid gloves. Raila has reaped from this in all his political career except in 2013 he was outsmarted in his persecuted narrative.
It will be interesting what Raila's selling point will be with Ruto and his gang starting to earn pro democracy credentials of being teargassed.
Gout, do you honestly think pro-democracy groups and non-Gema Raila supporters will think Ruto is the new liberator because he's fighting to be president against greedy Kamwana, his fellow thief-in-chief? Wanjiku is not very clever but don't assume she's that silly. We know Ruto is fighting for Ruto, not Kenya. So we will be entertained and see who between him and Kamwana really out-wolfs the other, that's all. So far, Kamwana has the instruments of power and mwananchi is already familiar with his bad side, hakuna big unknowns like Mr. Ruto. He gets +1 on that latter point.
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Hustler v Dynasty will sell like other cakes when you assemble moi,Kenyatta, mudavadi n jaramogi son... against the son of pauper
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Ruto is finished. He will be bankrupted like Matiba. Lol this fool is going down big time
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Hustler v Dynasty will sell like other cakes when you assemble moi,Kenyatta, mudavadi n jaramogi son... against the son of pauper
we could pick a third force. Let us see if the gullible masses will join this fight. Right now Uhuru is hated in Central like hell. The young mungikis do want to see his arse. That why he hides in churches and funerals to issue threats.
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The notion that Ruto can will somehow emerge as a pro-democracy candidate is laughable. His plan to continue the Kikuyu/Kalenjin hegemony in power is transparent. Does he really think that non-kiuks and Kalenjins will support another Kikuyu/Kalenjin presidency and Deputy presidency? Ruto and RV Pundit must think that none-Kalenjin/Kikuyu voters are really stupid.
It will be interesting what Raila's selling point will be with Ruto and his gang starting to earn pro democracy credentials of being teargassed.
Gout, do you honestly think pro-democracy groups and non-Gema Raila supporters will think Ruto is the new liberator because he's fighting to be president against greedy Kamwana, his fellow thief-in-chief? Wanjiku is not very clever but don't assume she's that silly. We know Ruto is fighting for Ruto, not Kenya. So we will be entertained and see who between him and Kamwana really out-wolfs the other, that's all. So far, Kamwana has the instruments of power and mwananchi is already familiar with his bad side, hakuna big unknowns like Mr. Ruto. He gets +1 on that latter point.
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The problem is all of them son and daughters of big old club ganging up - Ruto already has spawn a nice narrative - that will see them kicked out. Ruto did that to Moi.
we could pick a third force. Let us see if the gullible masses will join this fight. Right now Uhuru is hated in Central like hell. The young mungikis do want to see his arse. That why he hides in churches and funerals to issue threats.
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We don't care as long as Mt Kenya plus RV is more than 50%. The rest are details. That is democracy. I am not sure what your understanding of being PRO-DEMOCRACY is? Does it mean minority win?
The notion that Ruto can will somehow emerge as a pro-democracy candidate is laughable. His plan to continue the Kikuyu/Kalenjin hegemony in power is transparent. Does he really think that non-kiuks and Kalenjins will support another Kikuyu/Kalenjin presidency and Deputy presidency? Ruto and RV Pundit must think that none-Kalenjin/Kikuyu voters are really stupid.
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2017 Uhuru with 100% Gema and 100% kalenjin lost by double digits. For Ruto to pull this one off he need 3 or 4 big tribes on his side.
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It's time you grow out of Faithfully believing what your political god says without question. Seriously. 2017 numbers can be broken down constituency by consistently or ward by ward.
NB: i do not claim there has not been rigging, but 2017/2013 figures can be backed up. Ati lost by double digit!
2017 Uhuru with 100% Gema and 100% kalenjin lost by double digits. For Ruto to pull this one off he need 3 or 4 big tribes on his side.
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It is a nice line. And would be very refreshing if dynasties are booted out of government. They leeches and they know no other way to earn a living but their names and public funds.
However i do not share your optimism. Most people are sheeple. They follow what is familiar. Maybe this time enough numbers would rise up and RESIST..
Hustler v Dynasty will sell like other cakes when you assemble moi,Kenyatta, mudavadi n jaramogi son... against the son of pauper
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It will be interesting what Raila's selling point will be with Ruto and his gang starting to earn pro democracy credentials of being teargassed.
Gout, do you honestly think pro-democracy groups and non-Gema Raila supporters will think Ruto is the new liberator because he's fighting to be president against greedy Kamwana, his fellow thief-in-chief? Wanjiku is not very clever but don't assume she's that silly. We know Ruto is fighting for Ruto, not Kenya. So we will be entertained and see who between him and Kamwana really out-wolfs the other, that's all. So far, Kamwana has the instruments of power and mwananchi is already familiar with his bad side, hakuna big unknowns like Mr. Ruto. He gets +1 on that latter point.
Yep...the current generations of Kenyans has seen enough not to be seduced by "pro-democractic" liberators. We are at a let this shit play out moment. When the hustler is chucked, he will have sympathy only among Kalenjins. Nobody anywhere else is going to risk a bullet for him.
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Statistically - aka big picture - you are wrong. I could argue the same way - Somali is/was presidential. DR Congo is/was presidential. Burundi is/was presidential. Syria is/was presidential. Lybia is/was presidential. Aghanistan is/was presidential. Venezuela is presidential. North Korea is presidential. You can't cherry-pick failed states and blame it on a system without looking at the statistics. What if Brexit is a stretch? How about the booming economy and the centuries of success? The UK is the 5th largest economy globally so you cannot point out 1% of the country and lambast parliamentary.
OVERALL - parliamentary is a good system because it ensures equity and inclusion - because grievances and divisions are the source of most political problems. Accountability - matters are debated adequately and openly without the managers masquerading as deities or hiding at State House. Separation of power - the practice of a sovereign - queen, emperor or president - holding ceremonial instruments and residual powers of the state - both absolves and rids the elected government from abusing them or getting entrenched. It is a panacea for impunity. In Israel, you see - Bibi Netanyahu tries to form a government with a hang parliament - and when he fails he "returns the mandate" to the president. He does not get to change the law or intimidate judges and the opposition like Uhuru. He has no such authority because there is a bigger un-elected power than himself.
Parliamentary solves the presidential impunity you Tangatanga lot are whining about.
Obviously I don't buy your story that silly Europeans, Japanese, Canadians or Aussies have the parliamentary yoke hoisted upon them. By who - America? What a punishment! :(
Lets disagree on merits of Parliamentary System. Even the UK is on the verge of splitting because of this Parliamentary System. And don't even mention Brexit in relation to Parliamentary system. It has been turned into chaotic shambles because of Parliamentary system. It has become damn expensive and protracted because of this system. Indeed, if UK was as ethnically diverse an African country the whole country would be at civil war.
Germany was conquered and parliamentary system imposed on them so as to keep check on them. It's still an American occupied territory. Apartheid Israel is even constitutionally declared a monolithic Jewish State and yet they have difficulties forming governments. US imposed parliamentary system in Iraq (a more ethnically diverse nation) to keep it chaotic. It will spend the next 100yrs before they decide Presidential would be more uniting. Australia, NZ and Canada exterminated local inhabitants and made those countries almost mono ethnic.
If US had a Parliamentary system, they would be sacking their leader every two months especially given the power of lobbies of all sorts. Money would be dictating more than it does at the moment.
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Ruto is the face of impunity and corruption in Kenya. This is first factual and further nailed in by Raila and Joho. His acts of carting hard currency everywhere does him no favors. Recently he was quoted as saying that corruption does not hinder development. He supported the destruction of Mau for political expediency. He rode out Kanu's dark days - YK'92, Saba Saba - and only joined the opposition under Kibaki when it no longer cost anything to be free- minded. He oversaw PEV. Now he wants to lecture Kenyans about democracy and freedom sijui human rights.
He had it coming. I agree the man needs a buffalo's skin to survive this. Even Jesus cannot save him.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Ruto has never led a national presidential campaign out fit and he is about to find out what it takes to run at the head of a ticket. There is going to be a lot of incoming. This is nothing compared with what is going to come. Unfortunately for him there is more material to be used to go after him than Ouru or Raila. Ruto went after Raila hard but Raila had a lot of cover from his years as a 2nd liberation fighter. RAO was inoculated by a strong history of fighting for the liberation of Kenyas democractic space and his ten years stint in Jail to show. Ruto has no such cover, infact he is seen as the face of corruption and many bad acts. Without Ouru to cover him, he is very vulnerable and he needs needs buffalo skin. Like Pundit used to remind us when the shoe was on the other foot, "this is real politic".
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2017 Uhuru with 100% Gema and 100% kalenjin lost by double digits. For Ruto to pull this one off he need 3 or 4 big tribes on his side.
Raila has solidified non-Gema and only needs Uhuru's machinery to be neutral - not even support him but bar Ruto from rigging or looting more to bribe everyone. He will wipe the floor with Ruto like Kibra. I'm not sure why hustler- vs- dynasty was AWOL there. Referendum and 2022 will be another dog beating.
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Nyahunyo
MP Ngunjiri summoned over utterances on DP Ruto, ordered to surrender firearm
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001357198/mp-grilled-over-utterances-on-dp-ruto-surrenders-firearm
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ODM has 60 mps...so which non-gema are you talking about...take a good look of kenya map again.
Raila has solidified non-Gema and only needs Uhuru's machinery to be neutral - not even support him but bar Ruto from rigging or looting more to bribe everyone. He will wipe the floor with Ruto like Kibra. I'm not sure why hustler- vs- dynasty was AWOL there. Referendum and 2022 will be another dog beating.
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I AM looking at the map. At least there is an ODM. Jubilee is at war... the leader has hired mercenaries to quell the rebellion.
ODM has 60 mps...so which non-gema are you talking about...take a good look of kenya map again.
Raila has solidified non-Gema and only needs Uhuru's machinery to be neutral - not even support him but bar Ruto from rigging or looting more to bribe everyone. He will wipe the floor with Ruto like Kibra. I'm not sure why hustler- vs- dynasty was AWOL there. Referendum and 2022 will be another dog beating.
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Pundit this nyahunyo ni kali. Uhuru is not joking
Kiunjuri in more trouble over Sh1.8b maize cash
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001357270/kiunjuri-in-more-trouble-over-sh1-8b-maize-cash
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These kind of intimidation don't work in this century. Uhuru is relying on political neophytes like Robina to navigate politics. No wonder he has eroded the gema support he had two years ago and yet he is PORK. How will your force Raia to love YOU :) and Raila.
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Is it true Ruto amekunja mkia? - he will attend Mombasa BBI rally. Breaking news .
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Its true. But it's not kukuja mkia. It's strategy. The thinking is that since BBI in it current form is not objectionable then TangaTanga might as well embrace it so as to neuter Kieleweke narrative.
In other words, it's postponing the showdown. Judo tactics. Or Kung Fu: use your opponent energy to sidetrack them.
Obviously Raila, Uhuru and Kieleweke Team must now be back to drawing board. They intend to smoke Ruto out, but he's proving a persistent nut.
Is it true Ruto amekunja mkia? - he will attend Mombasa BBI rally. Breaking news .
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Shadow boxing until Uhuru emerge from walks of statehouse to the raw sewage streets of pipeline
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They will be treated like the Bomas launch where the speakers lineup is choreographed. Obviously Uhuru won't allow their rallies in Mt Kenya whether "pro-BBI" or not. The rest Raila is having their lunch.
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If you focus on the superficial you'll not distinguish the trees from the forest.There is a reason why Raila like jaramogi never became pork and why Ruto like Moi will Nick it.This is high level game being played here. BBI outcome should have convinced you about Uhuru real intentions but since you didn't get it BBI have been given another six months to keep you very engaged & hopefully.Somebody is being played and it's not Ruto.Its Raila. Uhuru has three teams working at cross purposes...one team job which they don't even know is to keep Raila busy n happy..the other team led by Ruto & Kiunjuri have a thro ball to counter Raila..and you have moderated like kinyua doing the gov business.Good cop & bad cop kind of arrangement. If Uhuru wanted to play politics...he knows how to do it..it not by antagonising his support base and abandoning the political class for Ruto.This the kind of high level siasa people like Raila or Kalonzo or maDVD cannot hack.Watch Ruto become PoRK.
This could turn out to be 100% correct. Kichwa, Robina, Pragmatic, and azimio crew are wallowing in depression as they watch Ruto transform the country and sleepwalking to Statehouse again in 2027! GEMARV will have a turn out of 89-95%
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RvHH, kazi kwenu sasa. Siasa imeisha!!
I did agree to the fact WsR having been a smarter player in the just concluded election season. In the end, he nicked it... (No-way-here can bear me witness). I congratulated him and wished him well. His success is success for all of us, for Kenya. I wish him well..
(You will be surprised that) most of us reasonable people have embraced the situation and have moved on. We support any and all well meaning moves that WsR and his new government makes. Any missteps and we wont hesitate to point out. We are all Kenyans; and some of us have even been approached for input on envisaged policy changes and interventions in some of the sectors. We play to the success of Kenya and thats the only loyalty and motivation!!
....Ask not for what Kenya can do for you but rather what you can do for Kenya!! And from my parents and later where I went to (high) school it was long inculcated in me the need for a value based life. Also, if you are given a cup to wash, wash it better than it has ever been washed...!!
To return to your quote below, if WsR acquits himself well, he could well do 10yrs straight and retire at a young 66years old! We will have Mursik and mugs of Kericho tea to enjoy the life that it has been... he is my age mate!!!
Fanya Kazi sasa... siasa imeisha!!
This could turn out to be 100% correct. Kichwa, Robina, Pragmatic, and azimio crew are wallowing in depression as they watch Ruto transform the country and sleepwalking to Statehouse again in 2027! GEMARV will have a turn out of 89-95%
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Pragmatic , To be honest you were right on Transzoia politics. If people studied keenly how Jubilee vs Kenya Kwanza performed in the General election between 2017 and 2022 They will recognize you seem to be knowing what was happening on the ground. Hence I think you are DAPs insider. Wish I had more time like Covid era where I could showcase the numbers and pinpoint gactual information of the perfomance . If I get time will post how Bungoma and Transzoia perfomed in the last 4 elections.
Now about your support of Ruto after elections thats being Pragmatic. Lets give Ruto a chance , Raila seems to have finally acknowledged he never won 2007,2013 and 2017 elections. Still he is determined to reform the Kenyan constitution which I think finally he will be granted a referendum.
RvHH, kazi kwenu sasa. Siasa imeisha!!
I did agree to the fact WsR having been a smarter player in the just concluded election season. In the end, he nicked it... (No-way-here can bear me witness). I congratulated him and wished him well. His success is success for all of us, for Kenya. I wish him well..
(You will be surprised that) most of us reasonable people have embraced the situation and have moved on. We support any and all well meaning moves that WsR and his new government makes. Any missteps and we wont hesitate to point out. We are all Kenyans; and some of us have even been approached for input on envisaged policy changes and interventions in some of the sectors. We play to the success of Kenya and thats the only loyalty and motivation!!
....Ask not for what Kenya can do for you but rather what you can do for Kenya!! And from my parents and later where I went to (high) school it was long inculcated in me the need for a value based life. Also, if you are given a cup to wash, wash it better than it has ever been washed...!!
To return to your quote below, if WsR acquits himself well, he could well do 10yrs straight and retire at a young 66years old! We will have Mursik and mugs of Kericho tea to enjoy the life that it has been... he is my age mate!!!
Fanya Kazi sasa... siasa imeisha!!
This could turn out to be 100% correct. Kichwa, Robina, Pragmatic, and azimio crew are wallowing in depression as they watch Ruto transform the country and sleepwalking to Statehouse again in 2027! GEMARV will have a turn out of 89-95%