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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on November 25, 2019, 09:21:44 PM
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Thanks. But why is this a secret?
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Abolishing the use of English in official functions is stupidity on steroids. Stupid to the max. Language is the closest thing to the world's lingua franca, but no, let's have our citizens look as befuddled as a Tanzanian abroad. I wonder if the rest of it is full of similarly asinine ideas.
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Looks more like Ruto's No propaganda.
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Looks more like Ruto's No propaganda.
If it is fake I must be quite convincing. I don't like Ruto but I wonder how leaking the document hours to the main thing would help him especially if it's full of BS. It will just make its opponents Petty and with fewer excuses for resisting it
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Abolishing the use of English in official functions is stupidity on steroids. Stupid to the max. Language is the closest thing to the world's lingua franca, but no, let's have our citizens look as befuddled as a Tanzanian abroad. I wonder if the rest of it is full of similarly asinine ideas.
When you think about it, both English and Kiswahili are foreign but English gives Kenyans a greater edge. Swapping national language changes nothing. There is someone under the illusion that it is Kiswahili that killed tribalism in Tanzania. I don't think so
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When you think about it, both English and Kiswahili are foreign but English gives Kenyans a greater edge. Swapping national language changes nothing. There is someone under the illusion that it is Kiswahili that killed tribalism in Tanzania. I don't think so
Tzians had a non-tribal first president whereas we had a class A tribalist of the highest order who had Kikuyus swearing blood oaths about the House of Mumbi and all manner of unbelievable stuff. He messed the tribal relations with all sorts of policy decisions, not least of which was land: that's what it comes down to, re the differences btw us and Tz. Even the first E.A.C really broke up because of the same greed in Nairobi that denied us true nationalism within our own borders. A true Pan-Africanist and a Total tribalist just arent gonna leave a similar legacy where the unity of the people is concerned.
Anyway, if language has a role, it's that Tzians killed their ethnic languages, not magic Swahili.
But Swahili is a Bantu language, not foreign. Arabic loanwords, that's what its got, but it's Bantu, through n through. Does that mean we should kill English? That's insanity. No one will agree to that. Besides, Swahili is already our national language. We have two official languages. Whoever put that there amepitwa na wakati. We should be improving the way English is taught outside Nairobi, not following Tz.
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When you think about it, both English and Kiswahili are foreign but English gives Kenyans a greater edge. Swapping national language changes nothing. There is someone under the illusion that it is Kiswahili that killed tribalism in Tanzania. I don't think so
Tzians had a non-tribal first president whereas we had a class A tribalist of the highest order who had Kikuyus swearing blood oaths about the House of Mumbi and all manner of unbelievable stuff. He messed the tribal relations with all sorts of policy decisions, not least of which was land: that's what it comes down to, re the differences btw us and Tz. Even the first E.A.C really broke up because of the same greed in Nairobi that denied us true nationalism within our own borders. A true Pan-Africanist and a Total tribalist just arent gonna leave a similar legacy where the unity of the people is concerned.
Anyway, if language has a role, it's that Tzians killed their ethnic languages, not magic Swahili.
But Swahili is a Bantu language, not foreign. Arabic loanwords, that's what its got, but it's Bantu, through n through. Does that mean we should kill English? That's insanity. No one will agree to that. Besides, Swahili is already our national language. We have two official languages. Whoever put that there amepitwa na wakati. We should be improving the way English is taught outside Nairobi, not following Tz.
Colonialists too contributed to tribalism. They sowed the seeds. They started the profiling.Not that this is an excuse. Not sure if this was the case in Tz
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When you think about it, both English and Kiswahili are foreign but English gives Kenyans a greater edge. Swapping national language changes nothing. There is someone under the illusion that it is Kiswahili that killed tribalism in Tanzania. I don't think so
Tzians had a non-tribal first president whereas we had a class A tribalist of the highest order who had Kikuyus swearing blood oaths about the House of Mumbi and all manner of unbelievable stuff. He messed the tribal relations with all sorts of policy decisions, not least of which was land: that's what it comes down to, re the differences btw us and Tz. Even the first E.A.C really broke up because of the same greed in Nairobi that denied us true nationalism within our own borders. A true Pan-Africanist and a Total tribalist just arent gonna leave a similar legacy where the unity of the people is concerned.
Anyway, if language has a role, it's that Tzians killed their ethnic languages, not magic Swahili.
But Swahili is a Bantu language, not foreign. Arabic loanwords, that's what its got, but it's Bantu, through n through. Does that mean we should kill English? That's insanity. No one will agree to that. Besides, Swahili is already our national language. We have two official languages. Whoever put that there amepitwa na wakati. We should be improving the way English is taught outside Nairobi, not following Tz.
Yep. The fact is most Kenyans speak Swahili and it has not stopped tribalism. Conversely, contrary to prevailing perspectives, Tanzanians do know their tribes and speak their native languages too. But the government made a point to downplay their significance. So you'll have trouble knowing anybody's tribe, not because they don't have it, but it really doesn't matter.
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When you think about it, both English and Kiswahili are foreign but English gives Kenyans a greater edge. Swapping national language changes nothing. There is someone under the illusion that it is Kiswahili that killed tribalism in Tanzania. I don't think so
Tzians had a non-tribal first president whereas we had a class A tribalist of the highest order who had Kikuyus swearing blood oaths about the House of Mumbi and all manner of unbelievable stuff. He messed the tribal relations with all sorts of policy decisions, not least of which was land: that's what it comes down to, re the differences btw us and Tz. Even the first E.A.C really broke up because of the same greed in Nairobi that denied us true nationalism within our own borders. A true Pan-Africanist and a Total tribalist just arent gonna leave a similar legacy where the unity of the people is concerned.
Anyway, if language has a role, it's that Tzians killed their ethnic languages, not magic Swahili.
But Swahili is a Bantu language, not foreign. Arabic loanwords, that's what its got, but it's Bantu, through n through. Does that mean we should kill English? That's insanity. No one will agree to that. Besides, Swahili is already our national language. We have two official languages. Whoever put that there amepitwa na wakati. We should be improving the way English is taught outside Nairobi, not following Tz.
Colonialists too contributed to tribalism. They sowed the seeds. They started the profiling.Not that this is an excuse. Not sure if this was the case in Tz
The Negro under British ruled Kenya was treated fairly the same. Terribly, but without favorites. Especially if you contrast this with the Hutu/Tutsi saga in Rwanda where Tutsi's were clearly favored. Or in Uganda where the Baganda were given leeway to lord it over other tribes in the name of administration.
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Hehe we are giving executive more power...lol..kweli this was smoke and mirrors. Ruto has wasted to much political capital wailing like a madman over nothing
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Not a parliamentary system, after all. So what was the point? Just to add prime minister? Weird.
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Not a parliamentary system, after all. So what was the point? Just to add prime minister? Weird.
Mind games..no ruto has been smoked out. This an antic similar to okoa Kenya.
Robina
Prime Minister will be appointed and fired by President
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Its like the Israeli system - where coalitions rule.
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Kicheko biggest.Raila played like a fool.
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Its like the Israeli system - where coalitions rule.
Nope. It's just the filthy old pig with makeup. In fact PM with zero powers just shields PORK from accountability. This is worse than the current structure.
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Kicheko biggest.Raila played like a fool.
Raila and ODM need to boycott this nonsense and return to maandamano. It easy to string a parliamentary or anti-PORK coalition. Especially with fresh Ruto-Kiunjuri pact.
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This seem like Naivasha repeat. Raila will run away with it - and become the father of the new newer constitution.
Raila and ODM need to boycott this nonsense and return to maandamano. It easy to string a parliamentary or anti-PORK coalition. Especially with fresh Ruto-Kiunjuri pact.
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It points that raila won't run in 2022 and ruto may still be blocked out of power by Uhuru. I belief BBI just read the political reality that there is no appetite for constitutional change. There is no money for it. Raila can now sit back and let Uhuru take on economic storm alone
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Why sould Uhuru take the economic storm alone when he has an able deputy with whom he has been running a nusu mkate regime for the past 7 years?
It points that raila won't run in 2022 and ruto may still be blocked out of power by Uhuru. I belief BBI just read the political reality that there is no appetite for constitutional change. There is no money for it. Raila can now sit back and let Uhuru take on economic storm alone
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So Raila is out. Ruto is out. Uhuru is out. Who is in? Matiangi?
It points that raila won't run in 2022 and ruto may still be blocked out of power by Uhuru. I belief BBI just read the political reality that there is no appetite for constitutional change. There is no money for it. Raila can now sit back and let Uhuru take on economic storm alone
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We still have Kalembe Ndile. :D
So Raila is out. Ruto is out. Uhuru is out. Who is in? Matiangi?
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Not a parliamentary system, after all. So what was the point? Just to add prime minister? Weird.
Mind games..no ruto has been smoked out. This an antic similar to okoa Kenya.
Robina
Prime Minister will be appointed and fired by President
Yeah we really don't need that. Keep it pure presidential then. Let's see what Raila launches tomorrow. What an anti-climax.
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This seem like Naivasha repeat. Raila will run away with it - and become the father of the new newer constitution.
Raila and ODM need to boycott this nonsense and return to maandamano. It easy to string a parliamentary or anti-PORK coalition. Especially with fresh Ruto-Kiunjuri pact.
Odm with help of kibicho were kin to own BBI in Bomas.Repeat of 2010.Talk of winning the battles and losing the war.
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Not a parliamentary system, after all. So what was the point? Just to add prime minister? Weird.
Mind games..no ruto has been smoked out. This an antic similar to okoa Kenya.
Robina
Prime Minister will be appointed and fired by President
Yeah we really don't need that. Keep it pure presidential then. Let's see what Raila launches tomorrow. What an anti-climax.
Yes BBI is taking us back to imperial president.Let us keep this America copy cat.Having MPs as Minister's violate seperation of power and politics civil service. The few minor changes like overhauling ndengwa commission on civil service are great.
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I hope it dies away quietly like Arturs report. Parliamentary is about accountability - where EXEC PM reports to MPs. This hybrid mongrel is useless. In fact it shields both D/PORK from accountability - and pretend powerless PM runs GoK. At least pre-2010 only PORK was unaccoutable - and we knew he wasn't. Those useless wazee are a bad joke. I hope Ndii and other experts can pour cold water on it. Or run to court and stop it.
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The problem I see is Raila accepting anything -aka desperation - and what we essentially ended up is pre-2010 constitution with NARA. PM is just a renamed Duale - Leader of Majority - now we will have a leader of Majority with PM? and all the patchwork.
The current constitution is okay. It has worked for the Americans for 200yrs plus. What needs to happen is independent institution to guard their independence and for a real seperation of power.Right now the weakest link is the police handing over their independence to PORK & Interior ministry.Then we never really got rid of prov administration.
Anyway I think we should keep the current constitution and work towards federalism.
I hope it dies away quietly like Arturs report. Parliamentary is about accountability - where EXEC PM reports to MPs. This hybrid mongrel is useless. In fact it shields both D/PORK from accountability - and pretend powerless PM runs GoK. At least pre-2010 only PORK was unaccoutable - and we knew he wasn't. Those useless wazee are a bad joke. I hope Ndii and other experts can pour cold water on it. Or run to court and stop it.