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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on July 25, 2019, 10:11:24 PM
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Stands against all of Building Baba Igloo bullshiet
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/ODM-dismisses-Punguza-Mizigo-referendum/1064-5210674-j9l0k2z/index.html
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They are helplessly watching Aukot eat their BBI.I see they already sent some poodle to court and are questioning the validity of the signatures.Too late because by October when BBI ends, overwhelming majority of counties would have approved Punguza Mzigo.
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Punguza Mzigo is a very good bill with a few rough edges which really need to be fixed. Especially protecting the anti-graft clauses from MPs - cause otherwise they won't last a second. Until BBI comes up with something better for now I support PMI.
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Now that is the spirit.
Punguza Mzigo is a very good bill with a few rough edges which really need to be fixed. Especially protecting the anti-graft clauses from MPs - cause otherwise they won't last a second. Until BBI comes up with something better for now I support PMI.
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Anti-graft is a very big carrot. Glad to see you have come around to gender parity - after dismissing me indignantly on the subject.
Now that is the spirit.
Punguza Mzigo is a very good bill with a few rough edges which really need to be fixed. Especially protecting the anti-graft clauses from MPs - cause otherwise they won't last a second. Until BBI comes up with something better for now I support PMI.
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I am big on federalism. I like how Aukot acknowledge that devolution has dealt with issues with tribalism, corruption, accountability and
representation.Our politics at the national level is mostly dysfunctional because we are a nation of tribes....and everything get sacrificed in that altar.
Because our problem is lack of nationhood; we need to separate state functions and national functions. We need to devolve national function - and keep state functions ( defence & police, immigration, foreign affairs, central banking & regulatory bodies) - naturally whatever remain will be "Ceremonial" President dealing with state functions - foreign affairs mostly - and we need to move national functions like education, health, agriculture, basic infrastructure to counties.
I also like it more because it solve our Mps issues. MPs have as a bad reputation as our police officers and having useless 350mps with the majority never speaking is waste of time. I also like making MCA - the basic unit of development - so we have clear structure now - MCA - County - National Gov.
We do not need those sub-counties/districts layer now. I want to see counties empowered - with quality of MCA elected and laws being enacted in those assemblies -- getting better.
With more money going to counties - National gov has no option except to devolve more functions. They need to devolve education infrastructure apart from teachers & policies. They also need to devolve KERRA (rural) roads. Hopefully continues can continue to build capacity to handle more functions. Majority are doing well - maybe Doc & Nurses strikes are a major blot (- and perhaps the recruitment and salary ought to be national?).
As for anti-graft law - those should be immediately done away with or ammended - they are not practical - they are mostly emotional. You cannot prosecute complex corruption cases in 30 days. You cannot make every audit query a crime. I think having corruption cases heard and determined in 1yr and appeal in six months make sense to me. We should not codify in the constitution punishment for corruption cases....I think parliament should determine how much - depending on the scale. If you steal 100 shs receipt - you shouldn't be condemned to life sentence - like Rotich who steal 5B kshs.
Anti-graft is a very big carrot. Glad to see you have come around to gender parity - after dismissing me indignantly on the subject.
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I am big on federalism. I like how Aukot acknowledge that devolution has dealt with issues with tribalism, corruption, accountability and
representation.Our politics at the national level is mostly dysfunctional because we are a nation of tribes....and everything get sacrificed in that altar.
Because our problem is lack of nationhood; we need to separate state functions and national functions. We need to devolve national function - and keep state functions ( defence & police, immigration, foreign affairs, central banking & regulatory bodies) - naturally whatever remain will be "Ceremonial" President dealing with state functions - foreign affairs mostly - and we need to move national functions like education, health, agriculture, basic infrastructure to counties.
I also like it more because it solve our Mps issues. MPs have as a bad reputation as our police officers and having useless 350mps with the majority never speaking is waste of time. I also like making MCA - the basic unit of development - so we have clear structure now - MCA - County - National Gov.
We do not need those sub-counties/districts layer now. I want to see counties empowered - with quality of MCA elected and laws being enacted in those assemblies -- getting better.
With more money going to counties - National gov has no option except to devolve more functions. They need to devolve education infrastructure apart from teachers & policies. They also need to devolve KERRA (rural) roads. Hopefully continues can continue to build capacity to handle more functions. Majority are doing well - maybe Doc & Nurses strikes are a major blot (- and perhaps the recruitment and salary ought to be national?).
Federalism is great - but are the counties ready? See the chaos in health sector - do you want that in education? Alliance, Precious Blood, etc remain national with colleges? What innovation have you seen in say agric - do we devolve the KILRI, KALRO, KARI? GoK is 50 years old and still deliver dismally - we must be careful with the transition. 35% or 50% is ok but need to have a very good mechanism - maybe another Transitional Authority of 2010-15? Incompetence and inefficiency and conflict are just as bad as tribalism.
I know the ward is meant to be atomic with one clan - but don't be so sure - need to guard against xenophobic Mungiki or entitled Kalenjin.
As for anti-graft law - those should be immediately done away with or ammended - they are not practical - they are mostly emotional. You cannot prosecute complex corruption cases in 30 days. You cannot make every audit query a crime. I think having corruption cases heard and determined in 1yr and appeal in six months make sense to me. We should not codify in the constitution punishment for corruption cases....I think parliament should determine how much - depending on the scale. If you steal 100 shs receipt - you shouldn't be condemned to life sentence - like Rotich who steal 5B kshs.
Need amendments to be more practical yes - especially the period. Should only be clocked for big cases say 10M and above - 100K small cases can wind through the system. DPP will decide what audit questions are criminal - so it is not bad. It just obliges auditor general to hand over the report - and DPP to prioritize economic crimes. Very good proposal. Especially cause federalism can mint a new band of thieves. DPP only pursues material cases - so 100 shs thief will not be charged but fired. I see no distinction between small or big corruption - which is distinct from theft. Graft involve abuse of power - so a burglar is not corrupt but get 5 years. Graft is same as robbery with violence - wielding gun or wielding official power are same thing. Should be death sentence for both yet now it mere life sentence. Likes of Kidero need to be locked up 60 years - or the Gakuos and Kafuras - then folks will avoid graft like HIV.
No - graft law cannot be left to MPs due to conflict of interest. They don't want to pay tax - what makes you think they want to go to jail for life? The law would never see the light of day.
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Counties are maturing. It will be 10yrs now. I think the health sector overall has done better under counties than previously. It's just the rot is now getting exposure. Most places esp in remote northern Kenya - are having their caesarian or heart or whatever operations. I am for incrementally loading more functions to counties. Definitely, school infrastructure should be devolved to Ward Dev Fund. Some of rural roads should also be devolved. It's obvious if we were to give counties 3 times the money - we would have to devolve a lot of functions. That should give the national gov the incentive to do that.
Ultimately we need to divide and distribute power - from PORK to counties, independent bodies and such. We should not delude ourselves that MPIGS can hold anybody accountable. Also, it's delusional to imagine power can be split btw PORK, DPORK, PM and all those center of powers that can engage in big fights & paralyze gov. The parliamentary system in our tribal parliament will make for one unstable gov.
I believe a PORK that has to win 50% plus one - will already make sure we have inclusive gov.
Some of the corruption proposals are good. I wish Aukot had not allowed emotions to cloud everything. So, unfortunately, that part of the bill should be ammended - by Senators and later. But let amend it when we have tried it's practicality. Let magistrate and DPP try finish those case in 1 month - by burning the midnight oil and having special corruption courts.
All in all - I'd vote for Aukot bill - without hesitation. I am very suspicion of Blue Band Initiative.
I am big on federalism. I like how Aukot acknowledge that devolution has dealt with issues with tribalism, corruption, accountability and
representation.Our politics at the national level is mostly dysfunctional because we are a nation of tribes....and everything get sacrificed in that altar.
Because our problem is lack of nationhood; we need to separate state functions and national functions. We need to devolve national function - and keep state functions ( defence & police, immigration, foreign affairs, central banking & regulatory bodies) - naturally whatever remain will be "Ceremonial" President dealing with state functions - foreign affairs mostly - and we need to move national functions like education, health, agriculture, basic infrastructure to counties.
I also like it more because it solve our Mps issues. MPs have as a bad reputation as our police officers and having useless 350mps with the majority never speaking is waste of time. I also like making MCA - the basic unit of development - so we have clear structure now - MCA - County - National Gov.
We do not need those sub-counties/districts layer now. I want to see counties empowered - with quality of MCA elected and laws being enacted in those assemblies -- getting better.
With more money going to counties - National gov has no option except to devolve more functions. They need to devolve education infrastructure apart from teachers & policies. They also need to devolve KERRA (rural) roads. Hopefully continues can continue to build capacity to handle more functions. Majority are doing well - maybe Doc & Nurses strikes are a major blot (- and perhaps the recruitment and salary ought to be national?).
Federalism is great - but are the counties ready? See the chaos in health sector - do you want that in education? Alliance, Precious Blood, etc remain national with colleges? What innovation have you seen in say agric - do we devolve the KILRI, KALRO, KARI? GoK is 50 years old and still deliver dismally - we must be careful with the transition. 35% is ok but need to have a very good mechanism - maybe another Transitional Authority of 2010-15? Incompetence and inefficiency and conflict are just as bad as tribalism.
I know the ward is meant to be atomic with one clan - but don't be so sure - need to guard against xenophobic Mungiki or entitled Kalenjin.
As for anti-graft law - those should be immediately done away with or ammended - they are not practical - they are mostly emotional. You cannot prosecute complex corruption cases in 30 days. You cannot make every audit query a crime. I think having corruption cases heard and determined in 1yr and appeal in six months make sense to me. We should not codify in the constitution punishment for corruption cases....I think parliament should determine how much - depending on the scale. If you steal 100 shs receipt - you shouldn't be condemned to life sentence - like Rotich who steal 5B kshs.
Need amendments to be more practical yes - especially the period. Should only be clocked for big cases say 10M and above - 100K small cases can wind through the system. DPP will decide what audit questions are criminal - so it is not bad. It just obliges auditor general to hand over the report - and DPP to prioritize economic crimes. Very good proposal. Especially cause federalism can mint a new band of thieves. DPP only pursues material cases - so 100 shs thief will not be charged but fired. I see no distinction between small or big corruption - which is distinct from theft. Graft involve abuse of power - so a burglar is not corrupt but get 5 years. Graft is same as robbery with violence - wielding gun or wielding official power are same thing. Should be death sentence for both yet now it mere life sentence. Likes of Kidero need to be locked up 60 years - or the Gakuos and Kafuras - then folks will avoid graft like HIV.
No - graft law cannot be left to MPs due to conflict of interest. They don't want to pay tax - what makes you think they want to go to jail for life? The law would never see the light of day.
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Punguza Mzigo only increases counties allocation to 35%. I'd have preferred counties to start actually collecting vat taxes or kra to start classifying taxes by county. Otherwise money allocated by national government will continue being like manna from heaven.
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That I believe is the next step. But the economy has to grow enough for the majority of counties to be able to raise such taxes. It probable that in 10yrs - when every county will have some economic activity - we can let everyone raise their taxes - and keep most of it - remitting 35% to National Gov. That will be true devolution. I mean by then say Lamu will have Lamu port & resort city to fund themselves. Turkana will have oil. Wajir will have gas. Garissa will have solar & gypisum. Tharaka Nithi will have steal industry. Kitui will have coal industry. Machakos, Nairobi, Kiambu, Muranga, Nakuru, Kisumu, Mombasa & Uasin Gishu will have urban population to raise taxes. Majority of the rest will have agricultural activities to finance them Etc etc.
Right now - going by the counties generated own revenues - the majority of counties will really struggle.
Also - it probably will be easier to do this when the economy is formalized - right now - say with VAT - it levied at factory gate - while the product could end up being sold in Turkana - but once everyone is shopping in super-markets - it very easy for Tusksy in Lodwar to collect VAT and remit it to Turkana county.
Punguza Mzigo only increases counties allocation to 35%. I'd have preferred counties to start actually collecting vat taxes or kra to start classifying taxes by county. Otherwise money allocated by national government will continue being like manna from heaven.
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That I believe is the next step. But the economy has to grow enough for the majority of counties to be able to raise such taxes. It probable that in 10yrs - when every county will have some economic activity - we can let everyone raise their taxes - and keep most of it - remitting 35% to National Gov. That will be true devolution. I mean by then say Lamu will have Lamu port & resort city to fund themselves. Turkana will have oil. Wajir will have gas. Garissa will have solar & gypisum. Tharaka Nithi will have steal industry. Kitui will have coal industry. Machakos, Nairobi, Kiambu, Muranga, Nakuru, Kisumu, Mombasa & Uasin Gishu will have urban population to raise taxes. Majority of the rest will have agricultural activities to finance them Etc etc.
Right now - going by the counties generated own revenues - the majority of counties will really struggle.
Punguza Mzigo only increases counties allocation to 35%. I'd have preferred counties to start actually collecting vat taxes or kra to start classifying taxes by county. Otherwise money allocated by national government will continue being like manna from heaven.
Even now kra get most of those taxes from counties. Its only that those taxes aren't categorized by counties. VAT should be structured like sales taxes where companies can easily delineate where they derived their sales from, not necessarily where they're domiciled.
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If implemented now - Nairobi will keep most of the taxes - starving many counties. I think our economy has to grow enough, formalize enough and diversify enough for every county to be able to fund themselves. We can encourage them to grown internal revenues - by matching shs to shs - what is generated. So if Kiambu raised 2B from internal resources now - gov can give them 2B. That would probably be an incentive. And obviously, most of A-I-A, if those functions were devolved, would end up in counties.
Even now kra get most of those taxes from counties. Its only that those taxes aren't categorized by counties. VAT should be structured like sales taxes where companies can easily delineate where they derived their sales from, not necessarily where they're domiciled.
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If implemented now - Nairobi will keep most of the taxes - starving many counties. I think our economy has to grow enough, formalize enough and diversify enough for every county to be able to fund themselves. We can encourage them to grown internal revenues - by matching shs to shs - what is generated. So if Kiambu raised 2B from internal resources now - gov can give them 2B. That would probably be an incentive. And obviously, most of A-I-A, if those functions were devolved, would end up in counties.
Even now kra get most of those taxes from counties. Its only that those taxes aren't categorized by counties. VAT should be structured like sales taxes where companies can easily delineate where they derived their sales from, not necessarily where they're domiciled.
We can still have a mix where there's redistribution at a national level so that weaker counties get bigger allocations (Nairobi close to none). Just that not everything goes to the national level from the get go..
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If implemented now - Nairobi will keep most of the taxes - starving many counties. I think our economy has to grow enough, formalize enough and diversify enough for every county to be able to fund themselves. We can encourage them to grown internal revenues - by matching shs to shs - what is generated. So if Kiambu raised 2B from internal resources now - gov can give them 2B. That would probably be an incentive. And obviously, most of A-I-A, if those functions were devolved, would end up in counties.
Even now kra get most of those taxes from counties. Its only that those taxes aren't categorized by counties. VAT should be structured like sales taxes where companies can easily delineate where they derived their sales from, not necessarily where they're domiciled.
Yes it would cause its the biggest contributor but also its the most populated county with the highest number of poor people. Just because a company is domiciled in Nairobi it doesn't mean its deriving bulk of its revenue from nairobi. Counties like Meru do consume gazillions liters of alcohol, they sure should get a piece of taxes they pay for it.
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Worth reading Oparanya - State of Devolution. Counties it would appear are succeeding.
They've got 20% of shareable revenues.
https://africacheck.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/STATE-OF-DEVOLUTION-ADDRESS-2019-.pdf
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Roads
? The improvement of the road network in the Counties is a true testimony that
Devolution is working. In just over a year, County Governments have:
i) tarmacked 546.7 Kilometers of roads;
ii) Murammed 56,248 Kilometers and;
iii) Graveled over 16,475 Kilometers. Additionally, 30, 997 Kilometers of new
roads have been opened and 24,740 Kilometers rehabilitated.
Water and Sanitation.
County Governments have been working towards the realization of universal access to
water. Notably;
? Water coverage has now increased to 57%
? Sanitation coverage is now at 16%
? Non-revenue water is now at 41%
? Six (6) Counties now have water Masterplans from the previous two (2)
? Fourteen (14) Counties have water policies
? Six (6) Counties have operational Water Law
Health
? Sustained an average allocation of 20-30% to the sector in the year.
? Currently we have 7,894 doctors, 26,561 nurses, 160 dental officers, 418
pharmacists and 19,000 clinical officers across the Counties. However a total of
834 doctors are on study leave, thereby unavailable to offer services – This
remains a challenge Counties have to balance between training and workforce
availability.
? Functional health facilities grew from 9,858 to 10,820 in 2018.
? sustained this trend with health allocations averaging between 20-30% in the
current year.
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Your people are overly superstitious of Babu - Ruto call it Ongeza Mizigo - the other day he "offer" Babu to act as PM in UK after May threw in the towel :) But let judge their bill by merit not hearsay. It very easy to scuttle Aukot - probably Chebukati fumbled the signatures by design. Then delay in court till BBI is out. I love Auko because he has set a very high standard for BBI or anyone else. On graft, devolution, MPs, gender. 3tier or such nonsense won't cut it. BBI should fine-tune Aukot bill on graft specifics, MP boundaries which don't make sense 3 people single county, and while am not clear on WDF it is a bad and illegal idea too. Conflates oversight and execution. Should be scrapped with CDF. Mandating the ward as the basic economic and devolutional unit is enough.
You can't say 65% PORK is inconsequential so am still open to parliamentary at national level.
Counties are maturing. It will be 10yrs now. I think the health sector overall has done better under counties than previously. It's just the rot is now getting exposure. Most places esp in remote northern Kenya - are having their caesarian or heart or whatever operations. I am for incrementally loading more functions to counties. Definitely, school infrastructure should be devolved to Ward Dev Fund. Some of rural roads should also be devolved. It's obvious if we were to give counties 3 times the money - we would have to devolve a lot of functions. That should give the national gov the incentive to do that.
Ultimately we need to divide and distribute power - from PORK to counties, independent bodies and such. We should not delude ourselves that MPIGS can hold anybody accountable. Also, it's delusional to imagine power can be split btw PORK, DPORK, PM and all those center of powers that can engage in big fights & paralyze gov. The parliamentary system in our tribal parliament will make for one unstable gov.
I believe a PORK that has to win 50% plus one - will already make sure we have inclusive gov.
Some of the corruption proposals are good. I wish Aukot had not allowed emotions to cloud everything. So, unfortunately, that part of the bill should be ammended - by Senators and later. But let amend it when we have tried it's practicality. Let magistrate and DPP try finish those case in 1 month - by burning the midnight oil and having special corruption courts.
All in all - I'd vote for Aukot bill - without hesitation. I am very suspicion of Blue Band Initiative.
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We know Raila very well. He has trust deficit. We know what BBI is all about - Raila attempt to pass his own version of Katiba. I think Uhuru has is own plan so BBI will die a natural death.
65% of funds that remain - part of it will be earmarked for judiciary, parliament and the 12 independent bodies. Yes obviously as counties build capacity - in the future - we will go full federalism - where counties will be states.
Your people are overly superstitious of Babu - Ruto call it Ongeza Mizigo - the other day he "offer" Babu to act as PM in UK after May threw in the towel :) But let judge their bill by merit not hearsay. It very easy to scuttle Aukot - probably Chebukati fumbled the signatures by design. Then delay in court till BBI is out. I love Auko because he has set a very high standard for BBI or anyone else. On graft, devolution, MPs, gender. 3tier or such nonsense won't cut it. BBI should fine-tune Aukot bill on graft specifics, MP boundaries which don't make sense 3 people single county, and while am not clear on WDF it is a bad and illegal idea too. Conflates oversight and execution. Should be scrapped with CDF. Mandating the ward as the basic economic and devolutional unit is enough.
You can't say 65% PORK is inconsequential so am still open to parliamentary at national level.
Counties are maturing. It will be 10yrs now. I think the health sector overall has done better under counties than previously. It's just the rot is now getting exposure. Most places esp in remote northern Kenya - are having their caesarian or heart or whatever operations. I am for incrementally loading more functions to counties. Definitely, school infrastructure should be devolved to Ward Dev Fund. Some of rural roads should also be devolved. It's obvious if we were to give counties 3 times the money - we would have to devolve a lot of functions. That should give the national gov the incentive to do that.
Ultimately we need to divide and distribute power - from PORK to counties, independent bodies and such. We should not delude ourselves that MPIGS can hold anybody accountable. Also, it's delusional to imagine power can be split btw PORK, DPORK, PM and all those center of powers that can engage in big fights & paralyze gov. The parliamentary system in our tribal parliament will make for one unstable gov.
I believe a PORK that has to win 50% plus one - will already make sure we have inclusive gov.
Some of the corruption proposals are good. I wish Aukot had not allowed emotions to cloud everything. So, unfortunately, that part of the bill should be ammended - by Senators and later. But let amend it when we have tried it's practicality. Let magistrate and DPP try finish those case in 1 month - by burning the midnight oil and having special corruption courts.
All in all - I'd vote for Aukot bill - without hesitation. I am very suspicion of Blue Band Initiative.
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RV Pundit do you see any bug in 3 reps per county? Senator, male and female MP. How to tell them apart?
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US congress - has senior and junior senators and house of reps All of them are representative of their county. The MPs will be dealing with national issues and cross-checking national gov. Senate will deal with resolving difference btw National & County gov. Senate will also be more powerful - with powers to impeach president and governors. I hope we stop seeing the nonsense of senate summing governors and that job is done by MCA.
The bug I see is in assigning each county - 2 rep irrespective of population. Maybe we should have given more reps to more populous counties. But how do we deal with gender? Maybe have one women rep in each county - and others depending on the population ratio - with max of 150mps? So Nairobi with 4M will get say 4 slots and Lamu will get 1....out of the 100 men mps.
RV Pundit do you see any bug in 3 reps per county? Senator, male and female MP. How to tell them apart?
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US congress - has senior and junior senators and house of reps All of them are representative of their county. The MPs will be dealing with national issues and cross-checking national gov. Senate will deal with resolving difference btw National & County gov. Senate will also be more powerful - with powers to impeach president and governors. I hope we stop seeing the nonsense of senate summing governors and that job is done by MCA.
US Congress has Senate and House of Representatives. Senators have senior and junior senator yes, but the Reps come from congressional districts - same as our constituencies. The districts are based on population - though there is lots of gerrymandering and such politics. Senators clearly represent the states while Reps represent the districts. The two chambers' powers and responsibilities are rationally designed and distributed as such. What I see Aukot as doing is simply making senate "upper house" - but both houses are now equivalent and none solely represent the counties or checks the Exec any more than the other. They both represent Kenya and check the Exec and each other. No problem.
The bug I see is in assigning each county - 2 rep irrespective of population. Maybe we should have given more reps to more populous counties. But how do we deal with gender? Maybe have one women rep in each county - and others depending on the population ratio - with max of 150mps? So Nairobi with 4M will get say 4 slots and Lamu will get 1....out of the 100 men mps.
How is this a problem? If both chambers - senators and MPs - represent the county and keep the Exec in check - then population does not matter. That is why senators globally represent the federated regions which are meant to be equal. I don't believe in "equal representation" as in population based boundaries. That's the moronic dictionary "democracy" or "merit" which is faulty. Aukot 2 per county formula is fair.
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Yeap besides the boundary reviews can sort out county pop disparity.Either way you got 3 national reps per county.
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Pundit do you like the 7yr presidency?
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No.I think 5ys 2 terms has no problem.Single term gives no incentive for anybody to work.That will be 7yrs of looting and I don't care like Uhuru is doing.
Pundit do you like the 7yr presidency?
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No.I think 5ys 2 terms has no problem.Single term gives no incentive for anybody to work.That will be 7yrs of looting and I don't care like Uhuru is doing.
Pundit do you like the 7yr presidency?
Looting is in our DNA. Nothing to do with terms. That said, it’s time to give a rotational Presidency some thought. The Presidency is the fulcrum around which Kenya’s electoral instability revolves.
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No.I think 5ys 2 terms has no problem.Single term gives no incentive for anybody to work.That will be 7yrs of looting and I don't care like Uhuru is doing.
Pundit do you like the 7yr presidency?
Looting is in our DNA. Nothing to do with terms. That said, it’s time to give a rotational Presidency some thought. The Presidency is the fulcrum around which Kenya’s electoral instability revolves.
Aukot argues that incumbent-free elections are peaceful. I partially agree with him as PEV wiped out Kibaki 1 gains. There is also less incentive to favor regions without the need to recoup the investment - read more rational actions and policies. Kibaki legacy is FPE and Thika Superhighway. Uhuru's is shaping up as mega debt and hopefully nailing graft as a redemption. The best way for Uhuru to cement the anti-graft brand is to back Aukot or at least ensure BBI borrows big from Punguza Mzigo.
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https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Wiper-rejects-Punguza-Mizigo-bill-/1064-5214022-exuklq/index.html Predictably too, Wiper rejects Punguza Mizigo as well.
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They want expanded executive so Kalonzo can become something.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Wiper-rejects-Punguza-Mizigo-bill-/1064-5214022-exuklq/index.html Predictably too, Wiper rejects Punguza Mizigo as well.
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They want expanded executive so Kalonzo can become something.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Wiper-rejects-Punguza-Mizigo-bill-/1064-5214022-exuklq/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Wiper-rejects-Punguza-Mizigo-bill-/1064-5214022-exuklq/index.html) Predictably too, Wiper rejects Punguza Mizigo as well.
That is true. They exist in a bubble where there nothing really needs fixing other than a tweak or two to serve their purposes. It's almost as if these guys do not think of the kind of world they would like to leave their grandchildren.
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Thinking about the future of Kenya is what inclusion politics is all about. People advocating for winner take all are the ones not thinking about posterity.
They want expanded executive so Kalonzo can become something.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Wiper-rejects-Punguza-Mizigo-bill-/1064-5214022-exuklq/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Wiper-rejects-Punguza-Mizigo-bill-/1064-5214022-exuklq/index.html) Predictably too, Wiper rejects Punguza Mizigo as well.
That is true. They exist in a bubble where there nothing really needs fixing other than a tweak or two to serve their purposes. It's almost as if these guys do not think of the kind of world they would like to leave their grandchildren.
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Thinking about the future of Kenya is what inclusion politics is all about. People advocating for winner take all are the ones not thinking about posterity.
They want expanded executive so Kalonzo can become something.
That is true. They exist in a bubble where there nothing really needs fixing other than a tweak or two to serve their purposes. It's almost as if these guys do not think of the kind of world they would like to leave their grandchildren.
Except we know Kalonzo doesn't care about posterity as much as he cares about the smell of new luxury cars, bodyguards and other perks funded by who cares.
The whole thing about women representatives while coming from a good place was ill-conceived. A representative of whatever sex represents all genders. I can't think of anything women representatives have contributed that is any different based on their gender. It should be scrapped.
No question, there are issues affecting women disproportionately. But they have nothing to do with how to get the Passaris, Ngilus, Waigurus at the eating trough. There are only so many government positions to dole out after all. The focus should be on wanjiku, not feeding the already well connected "women's" representatives.
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You cannot split PORK into many pieces for everyone to take. There are various ways of making sure the winner take all systems doesn't happen. Devolution is one such way. Also seperation of powers is another. Vesting some power in independent bodies is another.
But obviously, there will always be one TOP DOG.
Thinking about the future of Kenya is what inclusion politics is all about. People advocating for winner take all are the ones not thinking about posterity.
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Court bars Punguza Mzigo - from tabling the bill. The drama from BBI continues.
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Aukot is meeting headwinds too early. His accusations against those opposing his initiative are unnecessary and counter-productive. Like calling them "beneficiaries of corruption". Could be true but at this time he should behave like a suitor seeking the hand of a princess. You don't go shouting in the marketplace that she farts in her sleep.
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He already passed the biggest hurdle- IEBC and have a deal no MCA can resist - hence the attempt to use courts to block him - because once MCA endorses this - it's game on. Only a corrupt judiciary can stop this.
The power that be slept - wiaiting for BBI - :) while Aukot was getting his shiet done.
Aukot is meeting headwinds too early. His accusations against those opposing his initiative are unnecessary and counter-productive. Like calling them "beneficiaries of corruption". Could be true but at this time he should behave like a suitor seeking the hand of a princess. You don't go shouting in the marketplace that she farts in her sleep.
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Chebukati deliberately funged the signatures - as an independent inspection will confirm - until BBI will be the best of all worlds. Unlike Ruto the state does not sleep.
He already passed the biggest hurdle- IEBC and have a deal no MCA can resist - hence the attempt to use courts to block him - because once MCA endorses this - it's game on. Only a corrupt judiciary can stop this.
The power that be slept - wiaiting for BBI - :) while Aukot was getting his shiet done.
Aukot is meeting headwinds too early. His accusations against those opposing his initiative are unnecessary and counter-productive. Like calling them "beneficiaries of corruption". Could be true but at this time he should behave like a suitor seeking the hand of a princess. You don't go shouting in the marketplace that she farts in her sleep.
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He already passed the biggest hurdle- IEBC and have a deal no MCA can resist - hence the attempt to use courts to block him - because once MCA endorses this - it's game on. Only a corrupt judiciary can stop this.
The power that be slept - wiaiting for BBI - :) while Aukot was getting his shiet done.
Aukot is meeting headwinds too early. His accusations against those opposing his initiative are unnecessary and counter-productive. Like calling them "beneficiaries of corruption". Could be true but at this time he should behave like a suitor seeking the hand of a princess. You don't go shouting in the marketplace that she farts in her sleep.
Pundit apart from pulling rabbits from Ruto's political hat, how will Akuot weather this storm? I know he pulled a fast one in 2017 but this one? I can understand Chebukati's desperation to remain relevant and to amend his ways with Jubilee honchos after bungling 2017. Jubilee or whatever remains of it is not supporting Akuot except in some pockets of backwater RV. ODM obviously is not only not supporting but is actively opposing. Wiper too.
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Where were you during signature verification.Aukot engaged IEBC from get go.They learnt from Okolea Raila. BBI is just about expanding executive to gather for big 5 tribes.
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What's with the silence? Wapi Pundit is he already wasted :D What happened to his dark forces sijui MAD theory? It's as laughable as the Big Bang Theory - there was a big bang then the universe appear. Did Ruto bash Uhuru at Laboso funeral or as usual grovel and praise him as Lotodo praise Moi? Ati MAD some jokes kweli.
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Pundit, my 20 year cousin says she's not afraid of the dark cause she could be raped or robbed. Rather she fear she would kill the crooks in self defense. She is afraid for the criminals' safety. That's how comical your MAD theory sounds.
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Pundit your boy has come around... Duale calls for parliamentary system
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Pundit your boy has come around... Duale calls for parliamentary system
Maybe DPP has shown him the receipts.
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He is the current prime minister if Kenya was parliamentary
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Pundit your boy has come around... Duale calls for parliamentary system
Maybe DPP has shown him the receipts.
Very likely yes. Hustler is painfully realizing there is no honor among thieves. Folks have personal interests divergent from his own.
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He is the current prime minister if Kenya was parliamentary
Majority Leader is mere leader of government business. Exec PM is PORK minus the ceremonial croak. Matiang'i is the quasi-PM presently - NARA mold. Why you are loudly silent is that Duale has endorsed BBI and dismissed Punguza Mzigo - contra to Ruto wishes. Has he abandoned the sinking ship? 8)
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Punguza Mzigo targets MPs and Duale is their leader.It make sense for him to support parliamentary.Kenyans have very dim view of MPs and any system built on it.BBI is waste of time and energy
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Punguza Mzigo targets MPs and Duale is their leader.It make sense for him to support parliamentary.Kenyans have very dim view of MPs and any system built on it.BBI is waste of time and energy
Sorry I didn't catch that - you're incoherent. Ruto spanner boy Duale endorses BBI, referendum and parliamentary - while dismissing PMI as a roadmap to nowhere. This is of course contra to Ruto's stand so far. In short Duale has decamped from Ruto to Babu on this fundamental issue. It like Joho opposing BBI. This is in fact a defection.
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ODm wing of Jubilee joins in - meanwhile BBI has insane popular support. The perfect checkmate for BBI.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Jubilee-joins-onslaught-against-Aukot-s-bill/1064-5226018-fh6has/index.html
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ODm wing of Jubilee joins in - meanwhile BBI has insane popular support. The perfect checkmate for BBI.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Jubilee-joins-onslaught-against-Aukot-s-bill/1064-5226018-fh6has/index.html
Uh? Kindly restate in English. What or which mrengo does the Ruto camp support? Duale ako BBI ndani ... fractures emerging in Tanga Tanga 8) 8) 8)
Duale breaks ranks with DP Ruto over creation of Prime Minister position
by Wycliffe Wycliffe August 5, 2019, 9:41 AM
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DP William Ruto and National Assembly Majority leader Aden Duale [Coutesy]
National Assembly Majority Leader Aden Duale has strongly differed with Deputy President William Ruto on constitutional reforms.
Speaking on Sunday, Duale rooted for the amendment of the Kenyan constitution to create the post of a prime minister.
According to Duale, a parliamentary system will solve the election crisis the country finds itself in every five years.
“Because we keep fighting over presidential elections, causing tensions in the country, we as the pastoralist community propose a parliamentary system of government, that is lead by a prime minister.
“The party or coalition which get the most positions in the National Assembly and the Senate should produce the prime minister,” said Duale.
The Garissa Township MP defended the referendum calls saying it will promote inclusivity.
“My advice to the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) led by former Senator Yusuf Haji is don’t waste any more time. Ask Kenyans to make a decision on the parliamentary system of government,” he added.
Read: Aisha Jumwa Hits Out At Raila As She Opposes Referendum Calls (Video)
DP Ruto has in the recent past vowed to oppose any referendum that includes proposals to create new positions in government.
Speaking recently during an interview with K24’s Anne Kiguta, the DP accused proponents of law reforms of bombarding the public with multiple choices. He instead asked the parties to harmonize their proposals.
He was responding to a question on Thirdway Alliance Kenya’s Punguza Mizigo Bill that has gone to county assemblies stage for approval.
The DP seemed to hit on leaders allied to the opposition who continue to call for constitutional reforms.
The remarks also appeared to hit at some of the proposals floated before the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) constituted by President Uhuru Kenyatta and Opposition leader Raila Odinga to collect views on a possible referendum to expand the Executive.
Read Also: ‘Referendum Will Not Happen In The Next Four Or Five Years’ – Kipchumba Murkomen
Some of the proposals submitted to the BBI are the creation of the position of a powerful prime minister and two deputies.
In February, during an address at Chatham House, London, Dr Ruto also dismissed referendum calls that are aimed at creating positions for ‘selfish leaders’.
He instead proposed for the creation and the recognition of official opposition in parliament.
“I have heard some suggestions, even by opposition leaders, that the National Executive should be expanded to include a prime minister as well as two deputies, as a means of addressing the winner takes all challenge. I don’t know how that is supposed to be achieved because this suggestion has two problems.
“It does not resolve the problem which is that we need a functional constitutional opposition. Secondly, if the position is created, it would still be taken by the winning party so it doesn’t solve the problem,” said Ruto.
https://www.kahawatungu.com/2019/08/05/duale-breaks-ranks-with-dp-ruto/
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Punguza Mzigo has insane popular support. BBI ilete yake in october. We shall finally get to see the cards Uhuru is playing or not.
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We are all waiting but there have been hints and mock-ups to prep Kenyans. Obviously it choreographed. Babu has Handshake MOU with Uhuru to extend Uhuru term as Exec PM as Babu become ceremonial president. Kalonzo, Sonko, Kuria, Murathe, Atwolis - these marionettes have been calling for Uhuru 3rd term. There will be a big chorus of "Uhuru for PM" from all corners - until Uhuru will 'reluctantly' bow to the popular demand from Kenyans. Ruto and his chihuahuas will bweka haplessly as Narc 2.0 run them over.
Punguza Mzigo has insane popular support. BBI ilete yake in october. We shall finally get to see the cards Uhuru is playing or not.
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Okay - we have no option except wait - after BBI run to court to stop Punguza Mzigo momentum. I am not convinced Uhuru is in that BBI. Therefore Let see how BBI stew will be brewed. Duale is just angry because parliament is obviously the biggest target of Punguza...CDF out and Senate being upper house..make MPIGS very useless. BBI being parliamentary - is MPIG centric. We shall see who win - btw Kenyans and unpopular MPIGS.
Punguza Mzigo verus BBI. Let the show begin.
We are all waiting but there have been hints and mock-ups to prep Kenyans. Obviously it choreographed. Babu has Handshake MOU with Uhuru to extend Uhuru term as Exec PM as Babu become ceremonial president. Kalonzo, Sonko, Kuria, Murathe, Atwolis - these marionettes have been calling for Uhuru 3rd term. There will be a big chorus of "Uhuru for PM" from all corners - until Uhuru will 'reluctantly' bow to the popular demand from Kenyans. Ruto and his chihuahuas will bweka haplessly as Narc 2.0 run them over.
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Ergo Duale is in BBI
Okay - we have no option except wait - after BBI run to court to stop Punguza Mzigo momentum. I am not convinced Uhuru is in that BBI. Therefore Let see how BBI stew will be brewed. Duale is just angry because parliament is obviously the biggest target of Punguza...CDF out and Senate being upper house..make MPIGS very useless. BBI being parliamentary - is MPIG centric. We shall see who win - btw Kenyans and unpopular MPIGS.
Punguza Mzigo verus BBI. Let the show begin.
We are all waiting but there have been hints and mock-ups to prep Kenyans. Obviously it choreographed. Babu has Handshake MOU with Uhuru to extend Uhuru term as Exec PM as Babu become ceremonial president. Kalonzo, Sonko, Kuria, Murathe, Atwolis - these marionettes have been calling for Uhuru 3rd term. There will be a big chorus of "Uhuru for PM" from all corners - until Uhuru will 'reluctantly' bow to the popular demand from Kenyans. Ruto and his chihuahuas will bweka haplessly as Narc 2.0 run them over.
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Aukot is back on as High court allow debate to continue.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Counties-free-to-debate-Ekuru-Aukot-Punguza-Mizigo-Bill/1064-5233584-qgg8l5/index.html
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Each stage will be challenged in court and he will be spending time in the corridors defending himself or IEBC instead.
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That is what he wants. He is a lawyer. He doesn't need to pay for one. But he is ahead. Imagine Raila's BBI have not yet even started signature collection.
Each stage will be challenged in court and he will be spending time in the corridors defending himself or IEBC instead.
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Punguza Mzigo bill
https://www.docdroid.net/oQVs7QX/punguza-mizigo-amendment-bill-2019-a.pdf
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WSR says no to BBI
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https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nyeri/MCAs-reject-Punguza-Mizigo-bill/1954190-5252292-2tovol/index.html
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This actually is not true. Nyeri yet to debate it. That was the day Ekuru and team went to Nyeri.
https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nyeri/MCAs-reject-Punguza-Mizigo-bill/1954190-5252292-2tovol/index.html
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As expected..SIAYA COUNTY Assembly shoots down Punguza Mzigo Bill 2019; MCAs say proposed law likely to erode constitutional gains achieved since 2010.
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Pundit I know you're counting the roulette shots... how is the tally now?
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Pundit I know you're counting the roulette shots... how is the tally now?
46-1.I expected 40-7 in favour of Punguza Mzigo.But look likely Punguza will win with around 30 something
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Pundit I know you're counting the roulette shots... how is the tally now?
46-1.I expected 40-7 in favour of Punguza Mzigo.But look likely Punguza will win with around 30 something
MPs will sit on Punguza Mzigo and pass BBI.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001340011/mps-secret-card-to-stop-punguza-mzigo-bill
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Interesting info.Yes that will kill Punguza Mzigo.I think BBI will suffer similar fate.Ruto controls majority of MPs.
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Interesting info.Yes that will kill Punguza Mzigo.I think BBI will suffer similar fate.Ruto controls majority of MPs.
Nope. First, scorned Ruto does not control majority of MPs. The Matiang'is wouldn't survive a second if this was true. Second, even if he did command a majority - MPigs promptly abandon all camps and loyalties where their welfare is at stake. BBI's fate depends on what it portends for MPs. Any attempt to seal the trough and it's DOA like Aukot's Punguza Mzigo. The parliamentary system hands power over the Executive to MPs so don't hold your breath. I expect BBI to sail through with mild resistance. I mean Duale already endorsed it even before the report is compiled. 8) Which "Ruto camp" are you talking about that will scuttle BBI?
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Jubilee majority don't want the constitution changed or handshake or BBi or Mzigo.Mzigo is just a checkmate for BBI.Ruto control majority of MPs.Jubilee has not come to war.Just cold war by kieleweke crew of 10mps against nearly 200mps affiliated to Jubilee.Jubilee laity don't think we have any problem... except Raila refusing to accept defeat.Jubilee also long sorted it's succession..Ruto ten is next.The rest are makelele and wishful thinking.BBI can make MPs kings and queens but the ballot is everything.BBI has to start from signatures then IEBC then court cases then county assemblies then parliament then maybe a referendum.Hiyo KAZI ngumu kweli.Raila is being taken to cleaners.Even 1m signature they may struggle
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Jubilee majority don't want the constitution changed or handshake or BBi or Mzigo.Mzigo is just a checkmate for BBI.Ruto control majority of MPs.Jubilee has not come to war.Just cold war by kieleweke crew of 10mps
It took a year for you to own up to Uhurutopia on the rocks. It's not news you spin fast, furious & BIG for Ruto. Hehe the La Mada fiasco - the ink is barely dry on that Sidney Sheldon thriller :D Spin on brother it's healthy and in good stead to be loyal to the Kalenjin prince.
Out here in reality the Jubilee civil war is old news. Ruto must suck up to Uhuru because he has no choice. Why - your own tribal voodoo - MOAS - say in plain English whoever of Babu and Ruto bags Gema is home and dry. So Ruto must fuata Nyayo despite Uhuru wiping his feet on the guy's face.
And how is PMI a checkmate for BBI? You conceded a stanza above the lever MPs hold. Now please tell us if the brusque wariahe Aden Duale is part of the MPs Ruto 'controls'? :)
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Uhuru is still taking Raila to central next month since 2017 to sell BBI.Let me tell you for free...even Moi was rejected in toto by Kalenjin.Uhuru is not stupid to follow 10mps and go against mt Kenya.Mt Kenya yote imekataaa Kata Kata Raila.The rest are details.Kibicho and Nancy return on investment is zero.No traction.Uhuru if he really wanted Raila should have done better.Hii ni rejected and send back to sender.Of 200 jubilee MPs including even KANU..mhandshake has support..of what 10.. despite Nancy open cheque..that just how unpopular the thing is.Uhuru can entertain ideas including a third term but he knows when to turn..when an idea has no traction.Uhuru himself cannot even call a jubilee Pg and odm are claiming jubilee support BBi....maajabu...county to county...you can count BBi jubilee .MPs..hakuna... despite all the enticement..and harassment on Ruto MPs.Why would Ruto beat someone already downm
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Uhuru is still taking Raila to central next month since 2017 to sell BBI.Let me tell you for free...even Moi was rejected in toto by Kalenjin.Uhuru is not stupid to follow 10mps and go against mt Kenya.Mt Kenya yote imekataaa Kata Kata Raila.The rest are details.Kibicho and Nancy return on investment is zero.No traction.Uhuru if he really wanted Raila should have done better.Hii ni rejected and send back to sender.Of 200 jubilee MPs including even KANU..mhandshake has support..of what 10.. despite Nancy open cheque..that just how unpopular the thing is.Uhuru can entertain ideas including a third term but he knows when to turn..when an idea has no traction.Uhuru himself cannot even call a jubilee Pg and odm are claiming jubilee support BBi....maajabu...county to county...you can count BBi jubilee .MPs..hakuna... despite all the enticement..and harassment on Ruto MPs.Why would Ruto beat someone already downm
Calm down. Again why would Uhuru call Jubilee PG? i mean whose interest would that serve? What stops Ruto with his stranglehold on Jubilee marionettes from calling a PG? 8) 8) It's obvious as daylight that Ruto controls the MPs but not the party structure. Uhuru controls that - the Jubilee Party - and the GoK. Unless he can muster a majority and decapitate GoK Ruto is in fact in control of nothing. He barked all over about Kimwarer Dam - insisting the bandia contractor is insured - his boy Rotich still got sacked by Uhuru.
Now, with Ruto's mlolongo-borne control neutered by the Handshake - Uhuru has a window to reverse Ruto gains by war of attrition. Persecution of Ruto disciples is bearing fruit. Waititu, Wa Iria, Kimemia, Kiraitu, Muthomi Njuki, Waiguru, Sabina Chege, Moses Kuria - need I go on? - the list of Tanga Tanga defectors and deserters is about to rival Ruto's rapsheet. You see Uhuru doesn't need to market Babu nor take on Ruto out of Mt Kenya. Those facing persecution are principally Kikuyu for a reason. Ruto grovels at Uhuru feet for a reason.
See? - no need to drag old Babu into your confusion. The job is being done just fine by the dim-wit Uhuru and his machinery. 3 long years to go - your boy started as anointed successor with a tightly packed House Gema. It now do or die as he morph from the radioactive firebrand "Ruto is dangerous if scorned" - to licking Uhuru dirt with endless canting apologies - a worthless court jester. Why....
William is powerless to act. If he react, a war is ignited and Gema flee into Babu bossom. If he keeps silent, Uhuru continues the war of attrition. It almost like the boiling frog except this one is being fried. The frying pan or the fire -which one should he choose? It will be agonizing to watch as he try to cash a thud cheque.
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Robina, Mashinani is the problem.You cannot intimidate the Kikuyu masses to buy into BBI or Handshake.You need to understand that.Mps just go underground.Raila watu wa jubilee have rejected this in toto.Uhuru has to come out clear and fight Ruto.He is a coward who doesn't have the balls despite being PORK.or he is very smart.
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15 more MPs to intimidate...add to yesterday Nakuru & laikipia.They are not boarding BBI.Entire meru you have ODM turncoat maoka only supporting BBi, nyeri only wambugu, muranga only kigano & maybe kangaita who got scared, kiambu you have only mwathe & Paul koinange.Nairobi you have Gakuya of kasarani.Add nominated old man.There you have it...plus Sabina chege & waiguru.. Exactly 10 MPs, senator and governors against 100 plus of the rest Not boarding.We are talking Landslide win for Dr Ruto.You think Uhuru will squarer his bird on hand to go chase ODM wambugu $ More two in the bush..where Raila is lurking ready to twist the knife https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Forget-presidency--Tanga-Tanga-MPs-tell-Raila/3126390-5256450-xw865qz/index.html
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Two things Robina.Nancy $ Kibicho with support of ODM have totally failed to prize away GEMA despite spending billions, state machinery and muscle.They have won max of 15 elected GEMA leaders against more than 100 firmly rooted in Jubilee dream and vision for Kenya.Secondly Ruto will not grant them their wish .Their wish is for Ruto to act tactless and take war to Uhuru.Raila made that mistake when Ruto was trying to prize away kalenjin from ODM.Raila kept messing around culminating in mau & ICC..and kalenjin who had literally killed for him.. didn't want anything associated with him 3 years later.The most dramatic catipulation.Ruto will turn the other cheek and focus on the big picture.Without attacking Uhuru he deflect the punches..Uhuru has to pull punches because everyone can see Ruto is hold his hands up... hahaha..but behind the scenes Ruto is not pulling the punches...You have to understand that outside Luo Nyanza there doesn't exist another kingdom in Kenya.Uhuriu has to convince GEMA that Raila, BBi, handshake are the best way to go...he has totally failed.His resort to muscle has also failed.He need to turn around before it's too late.If he insists on referendum he will be publicly humiliated and will go down in great shame
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Robina, Mashinani is the problem.You cannot intimidate the Kikuyu masses to buy into BBI or Handshake.You need to understand that.Mps just go underground.Raila watu wa jubilee have rejected this in toto.Uhuru has to come out clear and fight Ruto.He is a coward who doesn't have the balls despite being PORK.or he is very smart.
War of attrition - Ruto built the slimy network and seduced Gema mashinani over 5 years - he cannot sustain it without the governors, MPs, MCAs supporting him on the ground. These are the people Uhuru is nailing to the cross - case in point Waititu. The fool give out a 500M contract - then 25M kickback is wired to his wife. Now he must desert Ruto or get ready to face the music of cold filthy flee-infested cells, random searches, frozen accounts, asset seizures, cease & desist and gag orders. Kiambu MCAs are going to impeach him and he could still go to prison. It the Moi playbook 101. You either avoid Ruto or be clean as Caesar's wife. I heard Ngirici whining that they are combing thru 20yr tax records of all Gema Tanga Tanga :) - once they find the dirt - Kinoti and Haji boys swing into action. This is the reason Sonko and Duale are now singing Uhuru Nyayo or BBI song. How many of these people are really clean?
It a long 3 years - already all Mt Kenya governors have gone mute on the guy. Very few of these Judases can sacrifice to save Ruto career. Buckle up.
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Two things Robina.Nancy $ Kibicho with support of ODM have totally failed to prize away GEMA despite spending billions, state machinery and muscle.They have won max of 15 elected GEMA leaders against more than 100 firmly rooted in Jubilee dream and vision for Kenya.Secondly Ruto will not grant them their wish .Their wish is for Ruto to act tactless and take war to Uhuru.Raila made that mistake when Ruto was trying to prize away kalenjin from ODM.Raila kept messing around culminating in mau & ICC..and kalenjin who had literally killed for him.. didn't want anything associated with him 3 years later.The most dramatic catipulation.Ruto will turn the other cheek and focus on the big picture.Without attacking Uhuru he deflect the punches..Uhuru has to pull punches because everyone can see Ruto is hold his hands up... hahaha..but behind the scenes Ruto is not pulling the punches...You have to understand that outside Luo Nyanza there doesn't exist another kingdom in Kenya.Uhuriu has to convince GEMA that Raila, BBi, handshake are the best way to go...he has totally failed.His resort to muscle has also failed.He need to turn around before it's too late.If he insists on referendum he will be publicly humiliated and will go down in great shame
At least you are now woke to the reality. Yes Ruto is tactfully singing Uhuru Baba wa Taifa the Great. But 3 years is so long... all these politicians are dirty and will choose their peace of mind over Ruto when push comes to shove. I heard Baba Yao say 2022 politics is the cause of his troubles - that he will avoid that going forward :) - which is codeword for ditching Ruto. At some point Ruto will go to Central and find only Ngirici and Waruguru waiting to meet him.
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Pundit - can you see how Anne Waiguru is now born-again Ruto hater. You can spin something about rivalry with Ngirici - but don't lie to yourself - the NYS files are on the DPP "TBD" tray.
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15 more MPs to intimidate...add to yesterday Nakuru & laikipia.They are not boarding BBI.Entire meru you have ODM turncoat maoka only supporting BBi, nyeri only wambugu, muranga only kigano & maybe kangaita who got scared, kiambu you have only mwathe & Paul koinange.Nairobi you have Gakuya of kasarani.Add nominated old man.There you have it...plus Sabina chege & waiguru.. Exactly 10 MPs, senator and governors against 100 plus of the rest Not boarding.We are talking Landslide win for Dr Ruto.You think Uhuru will squarer his bird on hand to go chase ODM wambugu $ More two in the bush..where Raila is lurking ready to twist the knife https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Forget-presidency--Tanga-Tanga-MPs-tell-Raila/3126390-5256450-xw865qz/index.html
Yes - but that the one-sided analysis. At the outset - at Handshake - Ruto had 100% Gema and Jubilee. How is the politiscape now? How is the trend - in favor or against your guy?
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I think you're scrapping the bottom of the barrel like your heroine nancy.2yrs and Nancy has managed to get GEMA 15 leaders while more than 100 are firmly in Jubilee.Kenya of now is not Moi time.The problem is Mashinani..you join BBi or handshake..and you basically kiss goodbye your seat.Waiguru is one such case.The problem is Mashinani.Uhuru and Nancy strategy is boneheaded.They need to attack Ruto from Mashinani.The mashinani will force the leaders to dhape up.Obviously Ruto is very deft and tactical...and will like Moi did in 70s..turn the other cheek giving no room for Uhuru to drive a wedge.Uhuru can start by summoning mt Kenya leaders and sweat taking them.Threats in 2019 don't work.You take me to court and am out on bail tomorrow.So that as much as the drama goes...sane with kra..ends up in judiciary where Uhuru has no say.What next.Uhuru to fire Nancy and Kibicho after NIS advices against unpopular referendum.Then he will cut a deal with Ruto and the Kenyattas will continue minting money
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In fact rumours are already out that funding for kieleweke has been withdrawn for lack of traction.Lets see how far Shebesh and Waiguru Embrace will go versus Inua Mama
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BBI if it comes and is roundly rejected then Nancy-kibicho usefulness will be about done.Uhuru has already wasted like 10B in this boneheaded strategy.
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Pundit there is no sign of a let-up or slowdown in anti-Ruto campaign by the Uhuru machinery. Waititu has gone mute - suspendes with the threat of impeachment and kamiti. If the Moi tactics are useless explain why Waititu has been silenced. Why are all Mt Kenya governors avoiding Ruto?
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It seems you have a new meaning for mashinani just like your subjective "outcomes". Ruto got Gema clout over 5 years of launching GoK projects. The war of attrition is undoing this influence. It merely 1 year of Uhuru kicking him around like a dog - a burukenge - give it a while - your boy is going nowhere.
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Pundit there is no sign of a let-up or slowdown in anti-Ruto campaign by the Uhuru machinery. Waititu has gone mute - suspendes with the threat of impeachment and kamiti. If the Moi tactics are useless explain why Waititu has been silenced. Why are all Mt Kenya governors avoiding Ruto?
Which governor is against Ruto apart from Waiguru.Going mute doesn't mean they don't support Ruto or they support BBI.Any political player from GEMA with an ear on the ground knows Ruto is popular and Raila unwanted.That is all it bois down to.Raila is just like pork in Saudi Arabia.If Uhuru extend his term then Ruto should stàrt getting worried.GEMA coalition has built very long and hard hate machine against Raila.Ruto doesn't need to do anything if his 2022 main opponent is Raila and it is
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Besides Waiguru, Wa Iria, Kimemia, Kiraitu were all openly backing Ruto. Now catch them dead in his company. The most visibly absent is Muthomi Njuki - who from Nyoro-like trumpeting now doesn't ever mention or do photo ops with the guy.
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Besides Waiguru, Wa Iria, Kimemia, Kiraitu were all openly backing Ruto. Now catch them dead in his company. The most visibly absent is Muthomi Njuki - who from Nyoro-like trumpeting now doesn't ever mention or do photo ops with the guy.
Let them go to Raila then....
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Ruto is being milked in central by mps. He is even being hosted by mcas. In kikuyu they say you do not burry an elephant with it's tusks. Ruto tusks are getting offloaded. I hope he is smarter than matiba and won't end up bankrupt
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Uasin ngishu first county to approve the PMI.23 to go
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Uasin ngishu first county to approve the PMI.23 to go
Uh? Thought we were clocking in the teens by now? Siaya and Nyeri rejected it... 2-1 so far. Siaya and Uasin Gishu are not surprising - but according to you Ruto has mashinani control in Mt Kenya. So what happened in Nyeri? PMI is a good test of your spin. Let's see if Kiambu MCAS hounding Waititu will back Aukot. If it happens maybe in Meru but don't hold your breath.
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Nyeri is big lie spread by desperados.Nyeri has yet to debate it
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https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001341468/aukot-reforms-bill-yet-to-get-mcas-backing
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PMI is mostly under going public participation. The legal committees of County Assemblies will compile a report and present the bill for debate & vote.Without factoring the 2 weeks lost to flimsy injunction...IEBC forwarded the bill to counties on Jul 18, 2019 - and therefore Counties have until October 18th (or 28th) to return a verdict.
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https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-09-11-waiguru-aukot-in-public-spat-over-punguza-mizigonys-scandal/
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Waiguru has lost the plot. Ngirici is running circles around her. She had a chance to deputize Ruto but now she should be ready for opposition. Selling Raila or BBI in central is attempting to sell PORK in Saudi Arabia.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-09-11-waiguru-aukot-in-public-spat-over-punguza-mizigonys-scandal/
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Lets stick to the point,Kirinyaga,Nyandarua,Nyeri so far are not boarding PMI.lets wait for other counties.
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None of those have voted on the bill. I think only Siaya?
Lets stick to the point,Kirinyaga,Nyandarua,Nyeri so far are not boarding PMI.lets wait for other counties.
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Ok,still in denial mode
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Ok,still in denial mode
Haha Pajero I hope you're not back here with renewed hope of converting Pundit. The Almighty Moneybag Ngirici - a mere women rep - was MIA as Kirinyaga MCAs tossed Punguza like bad food - without second thought. In Kiambu MCAs have been shaving former Ruto choirboy Waititu bila maji. But don't worry about these fake news - Ruto has an iron grip on these Mt Kenya guys.
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None of those have voted on the bill. I think only Siaya?
Lets stick to the point,Kirinyaga,Nyandarua,Nyeri so far are not boarding PMI.lets wait for other counties.
@Pundit, keep telling us what you think. This is a week later (BTW the county of Ndindi Nyoro... ifikie nyoro)
MURANG'A COUNTY Assembly unanimously rejects Punguza Mizigo bill; claim the proposal will sideline minority communities.
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Don't be excited until Beba Baba Initiative manages to ammend our constitution. The hurdles it will face will pale in shadow of what Aukot is going thro. At least Aukoth has got as far as this. Something OKOA kenya never mastered.
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Uasin ngishu first county to approve the PMI.23 to go
Me excited? Is this not your post, you jumping up and down excitedly proclaiming how you had 23 Counties to go? Are we still at 23? :-\ BTW I am shocked that though you sound like your real lastname betrays you, you cannot spell the name of the North Rift County your god comes from? I schooled in the adjacent district (as counties were then known as) and I know for a fact it is written Uasin Gishu, not ngishu. Such little details sell you out like they do for many a brain-washed keyboard warriors, tribalized in the mind yet hardly ever been on the ground! :zen:
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Bukusu last ODM standing man (together with Sifuna) - I think PMI will pass if Ruto wants it to pass- we have 4 counties returning their verdict (Kirinyanga is difficult to tell). Obviously if Ruto changes strategy - and want PMI killed - it will die.
As for Uasin Ngishu or Gishu - I don't come from North Rift - I am from Rift Valley - precisely the south (Bomet County). Besides Uasin Gishu or Ngishu is a maasai name.
Me excited? Is this not your post, you jumping up and down excitedly proclaiming how you had 23 Counties to go? Are we still at 23? :-\ BTW I am shocked that though you sound like your real lastname betrays you, you cannot spell the name of the North Rift County your god comes from? I schooled in the adjacent district (as counties were then known as) and I know for a fact it is written Uasin Gishu, not ngishu. Such little details sell you out like they do for many a brain-washed keyboard warriors, tribalized in the mind yet hardly ever been on the ground! :zen:
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RV pundit,its difficult to engage you in any meaningful conversation because you keep changing goal posts,you are never consistent with your arguments,initially when PMI started,you were all over the place bragging how it will sail easily with the blessings of Ruto,you even started this thread mocking ODM resistance to PMI,now when its clear that PMI is going nowhere ,instead of calling a spade a spade you still type too many theoritical stories that dont make sense.Lets wait for BBI which am sure will sail through.Wait for your god Ruto to give you guidance,he is already opposing BBI.
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We have been in this with you so many times; everytime you lose; you disappear and re-appear when you think Raila chance are stronger. Sounds like you're a coward to me. You're celebrating a victory against PMI (:) ) - how about you wait a little longer until BBI ammend our Katiba and for Raila to become PORK
Anyway there are theories - that we spin. Those are bound to change when facts become clearer. One theory we spin is that Ruto was backing PMI. We have no evidence of such. There is no where were Ruto has attempted directly or via proxy to lobby for PMI. I think PMI will pass because most MCAs will not resist the Ward Dev Fund.
Obviously Ruto would be a fool to adopt PMI (it has very many dangerous provision that would make governing impossible) - it's just good propaganda - because it's very popular with kenyans who are tired of Mzigo.
Learn to seperate theories(changes) with facts (do not change).
Here is Ruto on BBI & PMI.
The JUBILEE administration will NOT be distracted from delivering on our manifesto & HE's big 4 plan by those engaged in the raging debate on Punguza mzigo, BBI or the 2022. They should be objective,truthful & conduct a honest conversation that is in the BEST INTEREST OF US ALL.</p>— William Samoei Ruto, PhD (@WilliamsRuto)
RV pundit,its difficult to engage you in any meaningful conversation because you keep changing goal posts,you are never consistent with your arguments,initially when PMI started,you were all over the place bragging how it will sail easily with the blessings of Ruto,you even started this thread mocking ODM resistance to PMI,now when its clear that PMI is going nowhere ,instead of calling a spade a spade you still type too many theoritical stories that dont make sense.Lets wait for BBI which am sure will sail through.Wait for your god Ruto to give you guidance,he is already opposing BBI.
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When it became evident that PMI is loosing steam,Ruto quickly changed tune,why couldnt he dismiss it from the start,jinga,you even celebrated when uasin gishu passed it.You made a lot of noise here how PMI will sweep through counties,kindly refresh your older threads.
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PMI I believe will pass unless Ruto doesn't want it.Ruto controls majority of counties starting with 14 in Rift valley. The 4 luo counties were gong to oppose it anyway.
When it became evident that PMI is loosing steam,Ruto quickly changed tune,why couldnt he dismiss it from the start,jinga,you even celebrated when uasin gishu passed it.You made a lot of noise here how PMI will sweep through counties,kindly refresh your older threads.
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Not only has it been opposed by the four luo counties ,we also have kikuyu counties where your Ruto purpotedly enjoys support opposing the bills.Anyway let him stop BBI if he has balls.
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Of course Ruto will oppose BBI. Last time he was only man standing - and he got 31% against 69% - about 3m votes - rejected the katiba. Raila rushed to support constitution - and we haven't rested ever since - with OKOA - and BBI - led by the same characters. We thought your the fathers of this Katiba. Why kill your child.
Not only has it been opposed by the four luo counties ,we also have kikuyu counties where your Ruto purpotedly enjoys support opposing the bills.Anyway let him stop BBI if he has balls.
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https://www.the-star.co.ke/cartoon/2019-09-19-september-19-2019/