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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kadudu on July 22, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
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The Kenyan circus continues. Nothing will happen to these thieves. They will be in court, released on bail and then report once in six months for case mentioning in court for the next 20 years. They helped Uhuru and his buddies loot the Kenyan economy and therefore they will be free men.
Anybody out there who thinks otherwise?
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-07-22-haji-orders-arrest-of-rotich-thugge-over-arror-kimwarer-dams-scandal/
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KaCharlie • 19 minutes ago
Kenya is just a circus. Rotich and other thieves will get away with this one as they helped Uhuru and his cohoots loot the Kenyan economy.
They will "step aside" a very Kenyan term and the saga will be in courts for the next 20 years.
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That is huge. Okay time for Rotich was up. Let hope they put Biwott's daughter there.
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Ruto emerges stronger
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There is a term senior counsel ngamia used on 2013 ODM Presidential petition on shooting wide. I think this is it
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Photoshop.
There is a term senior counsel ngamia used on 2013 ODM Presidential petition on shooting wide. I think this is it
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The problem with the DPP's case it is based on technical issues. This will be a hard case to prove in a court of law. So DPP is telling us the 4.2B Ksh transferred to a bank in Westlands form the proceeds of the dam money was not for kickbacks?
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Seem like brute force...accuse everyone
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When will they step aside? Uhuru should appoint someone from our backyard in Western if he means business. We have very many professionals ever since Kamotho called us cooks and watchmen. Look at that list of suspects, 95% from one community. Hate appointments are worse than hate speech. NCIC did not even notice.
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I'll be convinced they mean business when/if Rotich is
1) imprisoned
2) his assets seized
Otherwise it's just another nothing-burger to fill up the news cycle.
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Good one! This is bound to have a smash on Dr. Ruto's campaign one way or another.
Ruto emerges stronger
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Can't be very hard to crack...you don't get that kind of 'change' from 'somewhere/nowhere' for a 'fuzzy' transaction - the recipient has some explaining to do. Seems like one of those cases where a Prosecutor can simply say that it is corruption proceeds unless proven otherwise. Keep in mind that corruptions networks are fuzzy by design.
The problem with the DPP's case it is based on technical issues. This will be a hard case to prove in a court of law. So DPP is telling us the 4.2B Ksh transferred to a bank in Westlands form the proceeds of the dam money was not for kickbacks?
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https://www.facebook.com/1400648123350620/posts/2274726175942806/?sfnsn=mo
This is opposition language and it’s strange watching Murkomen talk language usually researved for opposition. At this rate, if the kalenjin stick with Ruto, I then I see them fill the vacuum that luos left in the opposition. Ouru has never uttered the word Jubilee in a long time and I wonder whether Jubilee exists as far as he is concerned. Even pundit who championed the ouruto government as infallible is starting to agree with Omollo. These are interesting times.
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Ngamia called it OMNIBUS
This is bullshiet and I think it is meant to sanitize Ruto
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KaCharlie • 19 minutes ago
Kenya is just a circus. Rotich and other thieves will get away with this one as they helped Uhuru and his cohoots loot the Kenyan economy.
They will "step aside" a very Kenyan term and the saga will be in courts for the next 20 years.
What 20 years? Kenyans have short memories and will soon forget this one too. What happened to Kaburu (?), the instant-billionaire and her gunias of cash? And the one of "mobile clinics" that turned out to be empty, repainted containers? And the one ... <complete the list>. Waiguru is a good case study: only went higher in politics; last seen happy, fat, soft-skinned, and cornering a new man.
Rotich, of all people? A case that's definitely going nowhere. Every year the Auditor-General highlights cases of egregious theft of public funds, with Treasury seemingly dishing out money willy-nilly. Either Rotich is really dense, or he looks the other way (with "good" reason). There's a saying about knowing where the bodies are buried ... he not only knows, he overpaid for the shovel.
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https://www.facebook.com/1400648123350620/posts/2274726175942806/?sfnsn=mo
This is opposition language and it’s strange watching Murkomen talk language usually researved for opposition. At this rate, if the kalenjin stick with Ruto, I then I see them fill the vacuum that luos left in the opposition. Ouru has never uttered the word Jubilee in a long time and I wonder whether Jubilee exists as far as he is concerned. Even pundit who championed the ouruto government as infallible is starting to agree with Omollo. These are interesting times.
Hehe Kiongozi ya Upinzani William Ruto and his shadow ministers. Need to keep sirkal in check. Good job!
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Pundit - by your standard we will see 50-50 & Arap Hustler's standing with Uhuru in the reshuffles and re-appointments.
Ruto emerges stronger
(http://www.nipate.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7638.0;attach=512;image)
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This is getting uglier by the day, and I'm not referring to anybody's looks. https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/rift-valley/2019-07-24-i-can-be-a-better-president-than-uhuru-sudi-says-after-rotich-sacking/
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Which "anybody" do you mean? Nothing wrong seeing with one's front teeth of course
This is getting uglier by the day, and I'm not referring to anybody's looks. https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/rift-valley/2019-07-24-i-can-be-a-better-president-than-uhuru-sudi-says-after-rotich-sacking/
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Rotich and Thugge will wither away in the long winding corridors of injustice just like Mwiraria or Gakuo as the dons they worked for buy banks.
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Ruto chihuahua goes for the jagular. Is it a mutiny on Ruto? Anyway its tiny bites have no effect.
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Fiongosi
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Ruto chihuahua goes for the jagular. Is it a mutiny on Ruto? Anyway its tiny bites have no effect.
It's not just uhuru that has failed its entire jubilee regime and anyone associated with it.
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Ruto chihuahua goes for the jagular. Is it a mutiny on Ruto? Anyway its tiny bites have no effect.
It's not just uhuru that has failed its entire jubilee regime and anyone associated with it.
Right on the money.
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Ruto chihuahua goes for the jagular. Is it a mutiny on Ruto? Anyway its tiny bites have no effect.
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
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After the maize scandal, I do not know if all "jamii yetu" will be buying this load of hogwash. Can someone explain to me why WSR is upset that 21 Billion is being investigated instead of 7 Billion? What difference does it make?
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Isn't that his job - as a representative?
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
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I think problem is throwing the baby with bath water. Everytime you have something get hit with scandal - it very end of it. That is sad part.
After the maize scandal, I do not know if all "jamii yetu" will be buying this load of hogwash. Can someone explain to me why WSR is upset that 21 Billion is being investigated instead of 7 Billion? What difference does it make?
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What baby? - there was no plan to build any dam in Elgeyo. They used docs from a different project to wire $$ to an openly bankrupt Italian company. The problem is being properly dealt with by nailing the brazen looters. Stealing requires intelligence.
I think problem is throwing the baby with bath water. Everytime you have something get hit with scandal - it very end of it. That is sad part.
After the maize scandal, I do not know if all "jamii yetu" will be buying this load of hogwash. Can someone explain to me why WSR is upset that 21 Billion is being investigated instead of 7 Billion? What difference does it make?
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Isn't that his job - as a representative?
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
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These WSR boys are completely out of their league. This particular one is all over the place with his complaint and is hard to follow as to what exactly he is complaining about. Its a shame they are not prepared for opposition politics.
Isn't that his job - as a representative?
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
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Isn't that his job - as a representative?
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
It's an amusing angle - dude even defends PS Thugge as a midnight oil burner. The "hardworking" or "outputs" defense is sillier than pointing at Mama Ngina. It reminds me of a Nairobi husband killer who was too beautiful for the hangman... Twitterville was dazzled by the sentence - only the victim's family seemed mortified. But who's the victim in this fiasco? Haji and Kinoti fit the "representative" disposition better at this point. Arror & Kimwarer is like Ocean's Thirteen or The Italian Job.
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Isn't that his job - as a representative?
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
Nor are the Kirinyaga Road traders. This idiot is aware that flashing tribal card gets him nowhere so he dilutes it by injecting the ‘Okoyu traders’, but that’s a footnote.
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The reality is kenya is a nation of tribes. I am not sure why we should be ashamed of it.We know with 98% certainty that Kenyans are tribal (that is what I normally use in MOAS - in 50yrs - maybe it will be 80-90%?) and I believe we can have a structured constructive engagement if we imagine tribes - as European nations - with Italians, Swedish, French, English, Irish - and EU as Kenya (state).
At the minimum the political class should be free to raise issues about their tribes.
Civil servants are by law required to be tribe-blind. Not politicians.
It will take another 500-1000 years before we form a nation called Kenya - and that will only happen when demographics would have seriously changed - with urbanization, lost of tribal language, settlements - and embrace of Kiswahili & English (maybe Sheng) - and that process will in my view take a minimum of 200yrs.
Right now you - we have to accept the reality - that we are a nation of tribes - Kalenjin nation is a reality just as Kikuyu nation. These are not idle constructs. Obviously after 500-1000 yrs continuously slow and gradually de-construction - those tribes will disappear - we already know many tribal languages of smaller tribes have disappeared - and that process will continue - until finding someone who can speak Kalenjin or Kikuyu will be hard - and that will happen in 1000yrs from now maybe.
And those that will live after us will truly be Kenyans speaking Kenyanese - living in the nation kenya. That time 95% of kenyans will be living in urban areas, will be products of inter-marriages lasting so many generations, and will not understand any language apart from Kenyanese.
Right now - we have about 2% Kenyans - and the rest swear allegiance first to their tribes. If you can still speak your tribal language - you're as tribal as Oscar - just not as sincere.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
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The reality is kenya is a nation of tribes. I am not sure why we should be ashamed of it.We know with 98% certainty that Kenyans are tribal (that is what I normally use in MOAS - in 50yrs - maybe it will be 80-90%?) and I believe we can have a structured constructive engagement if we imagine tribes - as European nations - with Italians, Swedish, French, English, Irish - and EU as Kenya (state).
At the minimum the political class should be free to raise issues about their tribes.
Civil servants are by law required to be tribe-blind. Not politicians.
It will take another 500-1000 years before we form a nation called Kenya - and that will only happen when demographics would have seriously changed - with urbanization, lost of tribal language, settlements - and embrace of Kiswahili & English (maybe Sheng) - and that process will in my view take a minimum of 200yrs.
Right now you - we have to accept the reality - that we are a nation of tribes - Kalenjin nation is a reality just as Kikuyu nation. These are not idle constructs. Obviously after 500-1000 yrs continuously slow and gradually de-construction - those tribes will disappear - we already know many tribal languages of smaller tribes have disappeared - and that process will continue - until finding someone who can speak Kalenjin or Kikuyu will be hard - and that will happen in 1000yrs from now maybe.
And those that will live after us will truly be Kenyans speaking Kenyanese - living in the nation kenya. That time 95% of kenyans will be living in urban areas, will be products of inter-marriages lasting so many generations, and will not understand any language apart from Kenyanese.
Right now - we have about 2% Kenyans - and the rest swear allegiance first to their tribes. If you can still speak your tribal language - you're as tribal as Oscar - just not as sincere.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
Suppose all that is true. You don't have Germans losing sleep over the arrest of a known German crook. This chihuahua is asking you to be invested in Rotich's alleged crime as if it's your own crime, even if you got no dime from it. Just because you are Kalenjin.
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Isn't that his job - as a representative?
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
Nor are the Kirinyaga Road traders. This idiot is aware that flashing tribal card gets him nowhere so he dilutes it by injecting the ‘Okoyu traders’, but that’s a footnote.
Yes he was trying to mix it up a bit to confuse folks. And even if he were to be speaking for "his people", Rotich is accused of stealing from directly them. Those dams were to be in Marakwet land. I suspect the guy is a Marakwet(maybe Keiyo). He is asking them to be agitated because the guy who stole from them is in trouble.
I understand ukabila, but even that should make some sense.
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Of course, to many Rotich may appear innocent. But for me - the evidence against him is overwhelming. He comes from Kimwarer, he bought the land around his village...Elgeyo Marakwet Saw Mill...and flipped it for 5B Kshs profit.
Therefore I am going to be last man to support him. I thought he was just a drunkard - but obviously, he is corrupt.
But I won't fault lawyers and politicians for doing their job - presuming them innocent.
Suppose all that is true. You don't have Germans losing sleep over the arrest of a known German crook. This chihuahua is asking you to be invested in Rotich's alleged crime as if it's your own crime, even if you got no dime from it. Just because you are Kalenjin.
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Yes he was trying to mix it up a bit to confuse folks. And even if he were to be speaking for "his people", Rotich is accused of stealing from directly them. Those dams were to be in Marakwet land. I suspect the guy is a Marakwet(maybe Keiyo). He is asking them to be agitated because the guy who stole from them is in trouble.
I understand ukabila, but even that should make some sense.
Common sense has never come close to being a match for "our man" and "money has been poured to finish our people". If that were not the case, we would not be where we are today.
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Isn't that his job - as a representative?
I notice he keeps playing the jamii yetu card.
Maybe if Rotich were from his constituency. He is not. This is just deflection of individual people's crimes to the Kalenjin community.
Nor are the Kirinyaga Road traders. This idiot is aware that flashing tribal card gets him nowhere so he dilutes it by injecting the ‘Okoyu traders’, but that’s a footnote.
Yes he was trying to mix it up a bit to confuse folks. And even if he were to be speaking for "his people", Rotich is accused of stealing from directly them. Those dams were to be in Marakwet land. I suspect the guy is a Marakwet(maybe Keiyo). He is asking them to be agitated because the guy who stole from them is in trouble.
I understand ukabila, but even that should make some sense.
Pundit can continue his thesis - teaching us how all politics is local - it is about hitting the silver jubilee now. That county folks will sooner lynch one for stealing county funds - yet not fuss about Nairobi money - thus the Waiguru and Ngilu phenomenon. He never countenanced when the Nairobi money is also local - what should the locals do in this case scenario? It is another lacuna in the tribal theory - just like the Handshake.