?s=19CS Peter Munya: They (DCI) have confirmed to us that DP Ruto made a call and complained that some CSs together with other senior gov’t officers have been meeting at La Mada; He gave us specific dates of 14th May 2019 pic.twitter.com/hAUzp3tesP
— Citizen TV Kenya (@citizentvkenya) June 24, 2019
Btw, who is so stupid to plot an assasination of this kind in a hotel with dozens of people present?
What crime did the CSs commit?
Even CSs Rotich, Kiunjuri and Wamalwa visted DCI offices recently and are today still in office.
Btw, who is so stupid to plot an assasination of this kind in a hotel with dozens of people present?
Some of these people are so dumb I tell you. Am sure the hotel was bugged with microphones and camera. There is no way Ruto can make accusations without water tight evidence.
Interesting....damage already done those CS should just tender their resignation, not sure how you can continue serving under the pleasure of Executive while plotting to take down number 2.
Ruto team needs to go slow on this one Uhuru might be looking for a way out to form a government of national unity.
This is much ado about nothing. Everyone knows lamada hotel is owned by NIS. The hotel literally borders NIS hq. So we're to believe that 4 cs met in an NIS owned hotel to plan how to kill DP? Those are jokes. I bet if the CS weren't called to register statement, DP brigade would be raising hell that DCI is playing favorites by not investigating very serious accusations. Enough with this jubilee dramas.
So Kibicho summons CSs Munya, Kariuki, Mucheru and Macharia to plan to eliminate Ruto? We have to get serious here. Does Kibicho need these people to make such a plot? These are political no names and most likely their careers will end in 2022 with Uhuru.
This is much ado about nothing. Everyone knows lamada hotel is owned by NIS. The hotel literally borders NIS hq. So we're to believe that 4 cs met in an NIS owned hotel to plan how to kill DP? Those are jokes. I bet if the CS weren't called to register statement, DP brigade would be raising hell that DCI is playing favorites by not investigating very serious accusations. Enough with this jubilee dramas.
This is serious stuff especially when it's from DP himselfu.
Reckless stuff that has potential of setting off civil war. Uhuru presidency has failed. The country is slowly disintegrating as he purse handshake unity. Uhuru is not in control, the country is slowly pulling a part in different teams. aThis is much ado about nothing. Everyone knows lamada hotel is owned by NIS. The hotel literally borders NIS hq. So we're to believe that 4 cs met in an NIS owned hotel to plan how to kill DP? Those are jokes. I bet if the CS weren't called to register statement, DP brigade would be raising hell that DCI is playing favorites by not investigating very serious accusations. Enough with this jubilee dramas.
And you think Uhuru or Kibicho owns the entire NIS; they are people all over positioning themselves for post-uhuru Kenya - and already making moves for Ruto gov; and many are serving in this gov; for example while kibicho is batting for uhuru- kiunjuri maybe be playing for Ruto.And kibicho knows that also. The more reason why not hold a meeting to plan assassination of DP in an NIS owned building. I agree about politicization of civil service be it uhuru using kibicho or Ruto crying foul. Let Ruto table the serious evidence he has. This what Munya asked for "He said their request to the detectives to record the contents of Dr Ruto’s call was not granted, hence the questioning could not proceed."
I think by time Ruto makes such a move he has very serious evidence.
The problem I see here is politicing the civil services, NIS, police, CID and name it. That is very dangerous trend.
Let politician play politics. I know Uhuru is having a problem getting political support - because he can only attract Wambugu Ngunjiris - and that may lead to stupid mistakes from likes of Nancy, Kibicho and his handlers.This is much ado about nothing. Everyone knows lamada hotel is owned by NIS. The hotel literally borders NIS hq. So we're to believe that 4 cs met in an NIS owned hotel to plan how to kill DP? Those are jokes. I bet if the CS weren't called to register statement, DP brigade would be raising hell that DCI is playing favorites by not investigating very serious accusations. Enough with this jubilee dramas.
And kibicho knows that also. The more reason why not hold a meeting to plan assassination of DP in an NIS owned building. I agree about politicization of civil service be it uhuru using kibicho or Ruto crying foul. Let Ruto table the serious evidence he has. This what Munya asked for "He said their request to the detectives to record the contents of Dr Ruto’s call was not granted, hence the questioning could not proceed."
So some CS's now report to Kibicho who report to Jezebel... ooh Uhuru will just dismiss his half of the cabinet cause Ruto says so :o
Pundit is this a monologue or a rant :D
Pundit 90% of the posts on this long thread are from you... take a chill pill... they remind me of Kichwa Mbaya's inshas about plans to assassinate Jakom. :D
Pundit 90% of the posts on this long thread are from you... take a chill pill... they remind me of Kichwa Mbaya's inshas about plans to assassinate Jakom. :Dit's a masterstroke either way.They admit to meeting allegedly on Uhuru orders.What more arsenal do you need.I know kibicho cannot go macho macho in these games.Uhuru is pushed to wall.Tuju gone.You got the tapes.Ruto cannot a pick a phone and make spurious allegations against his ministers.Ruto knows the power play.Now what next for Uhuru apart from calling Jubilee to order.If he was Raila he would literally take Kenya to precipe.
Pundit 90% of the posts on this long thread are from you... take a chill pill... they remind me of Kichwa Mbaya's inshas about plans to assassinate Jakom. :Dit's a masterstroke either way.They admit to meeting allegedly on Uhuru orders.What more arsenal do you need.I know kibicho cannot go macho macho in these games.Uhuru is pushed to wall.Tuju gone.You got the tapes.Ruto cannot a pick a phone and make spurious allegations against his ministers.Ruto knows the power play.Now what next for Uhuru apart from calling Jubilee to order.If he was Raila he would literally take Kenya to precipe.
At least jakom leaves the task of making the claims to his minions. I think the hustler is in panic mode over nothing. I doubt these guys would plot an assassination in a hotel or bar, when they have private homes they can meet in and plot. In any case if assassination is considered an option, then rest assured rigging is an even easier option.
Sorry Raila thought he was winning till the last minute...in 2013.Comparing Ruto with Raila is sacrilegious.One is class 7 dropout like Moi.Another a PhD.At least jakom leaves the task of making the claims to his minions. I think the hustler is in panic mode over nothing. I doubt these guys would plot an assassination in a hotel or bar, when they have private homes they can meet in and plot. In any case if assassination is considered an option, then rest assured rigging is an even easier option.
2009-12, the more Kalenjin rejected Babu, the more desperate he got - the more his antics - as his "unassailable lead" evaporated. He did not know how to handle the Kalenjin just as Ruto is wishy-washy over Gema now. It'll be comical - or painful :D - to watch as the Hustler is given the middle finger by Gema.
Ruto has said severally he doesn't just talk, never drink alcohol or smoke weed, Ruto says precise stuff to the last floating point precision.Listen to his interviews.Ruto rolls precise figures like 62894 and next sentence mention 2.4685.And that was before he got PhD.Ruto has karuki chotaras if he wants to float balloons.That he is putting his reputation online shows he has serious intelligence.I think you understimate Ruto at your own peril.The Ruto I have known since 2001 is as meticulous and as calm or calculating as Biwott.
Sorry Raila thought he was winning till the last minute...in 2013.Comparing Ruto with Raila is sacrilegious.One is class 7 dropout like Moi.Another a PhD.At least jakom leaves the task of making the claims to his minions. I think the hustler is in panic mode over nothing. I doubt these guys would plot an assassination in a hotel or bar, when they have private homes they can meet in and plot. In any case if assassination is considered an option, then rest assured rigging is an even easier option.
2009-12, the more Kalenjin rejected Babu, the more desperate he got - the more his antics - as his "unassailable lead" evaporated. He did not know how to handle the Kalenjin just as Ruto is wishy-washy over Gema now. It'll be comical - or painful :D - to watch as the Hustler is given the middle finger by Gema.
Chema chajiuza... if Ruto was so great you wouldn't need to constantly remind us. If he was genius angekuwa PORK kitambo - instead he back lazy drunk Uhuru - now he wants to bank Gema thud cheque.Ruto became a minister at 36.First n only ass min to sit in cabinet at 33.Mp at 31.Y2k sec at 25.And DPORk at 47.Now at 53 is the most feared presidential candidate....the man who did MSc while facing ICC and PhD as DPork.Ruto drive is incredible.His appetite & ambition is insatiable.Ruto could bank 10 billion now and be out there hunting the next deal.I really pity any Ruto opponent because you have to prepare for long and hard battle.The Moi gave up.Kenyattas will give up.Uhuru can't hack the hardwork required here...can't quit smoking or drinking.Ruto has said severally he doesn't just talk, never drink alcohol or smoke weed, Ruto says precise stuff to the last floating point precision.Listen to his interviews.Ruto rolls precise figures like 62894 and next sentence mention 2.4685.And that was before he got PhD.Ruto has karuki chotaras if he wants to float balloons.That he is putting his reputation online shows he has serious intelligence.I think you understimate Ruto at your own peril.The Ruto I have known since 2001 is as meticulous and as calm or calculating as Biwott.
Pundit 90% of the posts on this long thread are from you... take a chill pill... they remind me of Kichwa Mbaya's inshas about plans to assassinate Jakom. :D
At least jakom leaves the task of making the claims to his minions. I think the hustler is in panic mode over nothing. I doubt these guys would plot an assassination in a hotel or bar, when they have private homes they can meet in and plot. In any case if assassination is considered an option, then rest assured rigging is an even easier option.
Exactly, the war between Ouru and Ruto is now in the open. There are too many propaganda fake news that are favorable to Ruto circulating in the social media meaning that the Ruto machinery is now in full panic mode and fighting back. My only advice to Ruto is that if he is going to take Ouru head on, he needs to finish him off completely (like in "kill him") . The notion that he can scare Ouru off is foolhardy. The trust is gone and one of them has to finish the other. No two ways about it. Ouru can weaken Ruto and let him live like Moi did to Njonjo but the other way is not possible. Ruto has to finish ouru completely, kill him or send him to exile. The task before Ruto is insurmountable.
I think people have forgotten that 2013 and 2017 elections were rigged. Making an emperor out of those ruins is bad political strategy, unless you're on the winning side already and intending to play the game again. Pundit thinks its dangerous to use the system to rig things up yet he knows his two boys are beneficiaries of that exact same game. If it was so dangerous why did you support it twice? Its like Trump warning Cambridge Analytica not to deal with Russians.
I think people have forgotten that 2013 and 2017 elections were rigged. Making an emperor out of those ruins is bad political strategy, unless you're on the winning side already and intending to play the game again. Pundit thinks its dangerous to use the system to rig things up yet he knows his two boys are beneficiaries of that exact same game. If it was so dangerous why did you support it twice? Its like Trump warning Cambridge Analytica not to deal with Russians.
Ruto has said severally he doesn't just talk, never drink alcohol or smoke weed, Ruto says precise stuff to the last floating point precision.Listen to his interviews.Ruto rolls precise figures like 62894 and next sentence mention 2.4685.And that was before he got PhD.Ruto has karuki chotaras if he wants to float balloons.That he is putting his reputation online shows he has serious intelligence.I think you understimate Ruto at your own peril.The Ruto I have known since 2001 is as meticulous and as calm or calculating as Biwott.If not as cold blooded.Behind the veneer of Christianity lies a hardened nut.Ruto knows how gov operations run.He has his own intelligence network leave alone sympathetic NIS officers.You do not rise like Ruto that high at mere 53yrsif you're not a smart calculating political player .Uhuru n co are just jealous coz out looted them.
RV Pundit cheered the stealing of the votes in 2013 and 2017. Nobody cares about free and fair elections anymore so long as the "right people" are in power. After 2002, Kenyans actually believed in free and fair elections, then 2007, 2013 and 2017 happened and nobody is that naïve and innocent anymore. Ruto can therefore campaign all he wants but if he does not control who counts the votes, who controls the server, and who controls the supreme court then it does not matter. I for one no longer believe in free and fair elections and I do not even think that it produces good leaders.I think people have forgotten that 2013 and 2017 elections were rigged. Making an emperor out of those ruins is bad political strategy, unless you're on the winning side already and intending to play the game again. Pundit thinks its dangerous to use the system to rig things up yet he knows his two boys are beneficiaries of that exact same game. If it was so dangerous why did you support it twice? Its like Trump warning Cambridge Analytica not to deal with Russians.
I will be very surprised if there is any substance to this. Serious as it is, the story doesn't make add up! But there must be a reason...good reason...why DCI would sermon them.
RV Pundit cheered the stealing of the votes in 2013 and 2017. Nobody cares about free and fair elections anymore so long as the "right people" are in power. After 2002, Kenyans actually believed in free and fair elections, then 2007, 2013 and 2017 happened and nobody is that naïve and innocent anymore. Ruto can therefore campaign all he wants but if he does not control who counts the votes, who controls the server, and who controls the supreme court then it does not matter. I for one no longer believe in free and fair elections and I do not even think that it produces good leaders.
You are right that it is not about good leaders but the leaders people want and if coupled with checks and balances you may even get leaders do the right thing even if they are not good leaders. However, the "free and fair elections" is a pipe dream. Politicians all over the world have figured out how to manipulate it with money, stealing, rigging etc. to the point that voting is just a ritual and voters have come to terms with it. In the rare event that voters get the leader they want, the system of checks and balances is so rigged and corrupted by the leaders that the government does not work in the interest of the majority of the voters but just a few people. If human beings want the government to work for them, and still maintain civil liberties, then we have to go back to the drawing boards.I think people have forgotten that 2013 and 2017 elections were rigged. Making an emperor out of those ruins is bad political strategy, unless you're on the winning side already and intending to play the game again. Pundit thinks its dangerous to use the system to rig things up yet he knows his two boys are beneficiaries of that exact same game. If it was so dangerous why did you support it twice? Its like Trump warning Cambridge Analytica not to deal with Russians.
The whole idea of free and fair elections is not churning good leaders, but the ones the voters want
Ruto became a minister at 36.First n only ass min to sit in cabinet at 33.Mp at 31.Y2k sec at 25.And DPORk at 47.Now at 53 is the most feared presidential candidate....the man who did MSc while facing ICC and PhD as DPork.Ruto drive is incredible.His appetite & ambition is insatiable.Ruto could bank 10 billion now and be out there hunting the next deal.I really pity any Ruto opponent because you have to prepare for long and hard battle.The Moi gave up.Kenyattas will give up.Uhuru can't hack the hardwork required here...can't quit smoking or drinking.
The only truth I can gather from this is divorce is complete. There is no tandem(certainly not Uhuruto) stringing Baba along for a ride.
RV Pundit cheered the stealing of the votes in 2013 and 2017. Nobody cares about free and fair elections anymore so long as the "right people" are in power. After 2002, Kenyans actually believed in free and fair elections, then 2007, 2013 and 2017 happened and nobody is that naïve and innocent anymore. Ruto can therefore campaign all he wants but if he does not control who counts the votes, who controls the server, and who controls the supreme court then it does not matter. I for one no longer believe in free and fair elections and I do not even think that it produces good leaders.I think people have forgotten that 2013 and 2017 elections were rigged. Making an emperor out of those ruins is bad political strategy, unless you're on the winning side already and intending to play the game again. Pundit thinks its dangerous to use the system to rig things up yet he knows his two boys are beneficiaries of that exact same game. If it was so dangerous why did you support it twice? Its like Trump warning Cambridge Analytica not to deal with Russians.
Turns out Uhuru reported them.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001331296/uhuru-cabinet-split-after-ruto-assassination-claims
Reports indicate that the order came after the Deputy President told the President that he had been informed that some Cabinet secretaries, principal secretaries and parastatal bosses from Mt Kenya region had met to plot his political downfall and assassination.
Following the claims, the President is said to have ordered the DP’s security scaled up. The DP has since received more security.
The President is said to have summoned a meeting at State House on Saturday, which was attended by Interior Cabinet Secretary Fred Matiang’i, Inspector General of Police Hilary Mutyambai, Interior Principal Secretary Karanja Kibicho, Director of Criminal Investigations George Kinoti and National Intelligence Service Director General Philip Kameru.
According to highly placed sources, the President informed the meeting that the DP had told him that some CSs, PSs and parastatal bosses from Mt Kenya had met at Hotel La Mada along Thika Road to plot against him.
He then ordered that all those mentioned as part of the La Mada Hotel meeting be summoned to the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) to assist in investigations.
More than 10 Government officials presented themselves before the DCI. But they refused to be questioned until the Deputy President had recorded a statement to back his complaint.
Other sources revealed that the DP refused to record a statement on the matter, making it difficult for police to proceed with investigations.
CSs Peter Munya (Trade), Joseph Mucheru (ICT), and Sicily Kariuki (Health), at least six PSs, and heads of parastatals confirmed that they were summoned following a letter circulating on social media detailing a 'suspicious' meeting at Hotel La Mada.
Fat lie
The only people claiming that it is Uhuru who reported them to DCI is Ruto. The Star observes that nobody from Ruto's office is talking on record about this but are all tight lipped. They also note that Ruto feels betrayed by Kinoti for revealing that he is the one who made the call. Why would he be mad if the call came from Uhuru?
As I said, assassination card is golden, you only use it once. Ruto has wasted his with over two years to go,and he gains nothing. He appears desperate even to the point of fabricating a redacted letter:
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-25-uhuru-ordered-dci-to-probe-ruto-assassination-plot/
Pastor vooke, I agree with you about Ruto's cheap propaganda. Uhuru and Gema have rejected him. In war everyone retreats into tribal cocoons - I don't see where he's going with this. Babu is the principal architect and beneficiary of this mayhem.
I guess you're the custodian of the truth :) - Ruto reported them to Uhuru - Uhuru had the CID intervene. Ruto was obviously looking for administrative action from Uhuru. Not a legal battle.Uhuru or Kinoti seems to have jumped the gun and Ruto is of course not ready for CID cases with his own CSes.
Its not rocket science that Kinoti works for Kibicho and company. And hence propaganda about Ruto calling his fellow Kalenjin sang - to summon CSes.
Fat lie
The only people claiming that it is Uhuru who reported them to DCI is Ruto. The Star observes that nobody from Ruto's office is talking on record about this but are all tight lipped. They also note that Ruto feels betrayed by Kinoti for revealing that he is the one who made the call. Why would he be mad if the call came from Uhuru?
As I said, assassination card is golden, you only use it once. Ruto has wasted his with over two years to go,and he gains nothing. He appears desperate even to the point of fabricating a redacted letter:
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-25-uhuru-ordered-dci-to-probe-ruto-assassination-plot/
Try to digest this
All the fairy tales of State House meetings and President’s interventions are whispers from Ruto camp. Why won’t they go on record? Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to quietly investigate this?
Point is, and Ruto’s camp are not denying, Ruto called Kinoti. Why would he call Kinoti right after briefing Uhuru?
You can’t read confusion?
Ruto reports the CSs to Uhuru,Uhuru summons Kinoti et all,then Ruto calls DCI
lubbish :lolz: :lolz:
Ruto wanted to pull a fast one on Uhuru but hit a dead end. The best way to hide secrets is in public. No way such serious allegations against prominent CSs would go unanswered.
Ruto is paranoid. He imagines every meeting by Mt. Kenya is a plot to kill his long cherished ambitions. He has just been left with an egg on his face
Care quote where Kinoti alleges Ruto called him. Kinoti was called by PORK. Before this Kibicho for some months now has basically withdrawn police and prov administration from Ruto meetings. Ruto had a tiff with him and Uhuru asked a report.
What is not in denial is the CS meeting in the basement of the La Mada hotel without their phones. That is already very damaging for likes of Mucheru who clearly should know better.Try to digest this
All the fairy tales of State House meetings and President’s interventions are whispers from Ruto camp. Why won’t they go on record? Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to quietly investigate this?
Point is, and Ruto’s camp are not denying, Ruto called Kinoti. Why would he call Kinoti right after briefing Uhuru?
You can’t read confusion?
Ruto reports the CSs to Uhuru,Uhuru summons Kinoti et all,then Ruto calls DCI
lubbish :lolz: :lolz:
Ruto wanted to pull a fast one on Uhuru but hit a dead end. The best way to hide secrets is in public. No way such serious allegations against prominent CSs would go unanswered.
Ruto is paranoid. He imagines every meeting by Mt. Kenya is a plot to kill his long cherished ambitions. He has just been left with an egg on his face
Lubbish!
This saga does not add up. Sicily Kariuki, Joseph Mucheru, James Macharia and Peter Munya are not the right thugs to communicate with about an assasination. These fellows are the least qualified for such an adventure. What would they gain out of it? Ruto had better get serious as these political and finicial minions just do not fit into the shoes he is trying to push them into.
Care quote where Kinoti alleges Ruto called him. Kinoti was called by PORK. Before this Kibicho for some months now has basically withdrawn police and prov administration from Ruto meetings. Ruto had a tiff with him and Uhuru asked a report.
What is not in denial is the CS meeting in the basement of the La Mada hotel without their phones. That is already very damaging for likes of Mucheru who clearly should know better.Try to digest this
All the fairy tales of State House meetings and President’s interventions are whispers from Ruto camp. Why won’t they go on record? Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to quietly investigate this?
Point is, and Ruto’s camp are not denying, Ruto called Kinoti. Why would he call Kinoti right after briefing Uhuru?
You can’t read confusion?
Ruto reports the CSs to Uhuru,Uhuru summons Kinoti et all,then Ruto calls DCI
lubbish :lolz: :lolz:
Ruto wanted to pull a fast one on Uhuru but hit a dead end. The best way to hide secrets is in public. No way such serious allegations against prominent CSs would go unanswered.
Ruto is paranoid. He imagines every meeting by Mt. Kenya is a plot to kill his long cherished ambitions. He has just been left with an egg on his face
Munya is quoted saying they were told Ruto called Kinoti. They also said they would not record any statement until the complainant filed a complaint. They requested for a record of the call Ruto made and were not given.
DCI is saying Ruto tipped them
Why is Munya believable? Because they never recorded a statement. They went in and out in under one hour. Do you think grilling and recording a statement over assassination claims of DPORK are so trivial as to be done in under 60 minutes? Means Ruto called but was too shy to record a statement because the next thing would be demanding proof for his allegations which he lacks. If there was a tape like Weta/Tuju trust me it would have been leaked. Instead we have a fake redacted letter. That’s Ruto’s smoking gun
I watched #AMLive. Moses Kuria is the one who convened those meetings and they have been meeting at the basement for a while since November last year. It’s not basement as in parking but a meeting room in the basement.
You think killing Ruto takes 30 politicians plus businessmen?
So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.
Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.
What is secret about development?
Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.
The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.
So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.
Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.
What is secret about development?
Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.
The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.Care quote where Kinoti alleges Ruto called him. Kinoti was called by PORK. Before this Kibicho for some months now has basically withdrawn police and prov administration from Ruto meetings. Ruto had a tiff with him and Uhuru asked a report.
What is not in denial is the CS meeting in the basement of the La Mada hotel without their phones. That is already very damaging for likes of Mucheru who clearly should know better.Try to digest this
All the fairy tales of State House meetings and President’s interventions are whispers from Ruto camp. Why won’t they go on record? Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to quietly investigate this?
Point is, and Ruto’s camp are not denying, Ruto called Kinoti. Why would he call Kinoti right after briefing Uhuru?
You can’t read confusion?
Ruto reports the CSs to Uhuru,Uhuru summons Kinoti et all,then Ruto calls DCI
lubbish :lolz: :lolz:
Ruto wanted to pull a fast one on Uhuru but hit a dead end. The best way to hide secrets is in public. No way such serious allegations against prominent CSs would go unanswered.
Ruto is paranoid. He imagines every meeting by Mt. Kenya is a plot to kill his long cherished ambitions. He has just been left with an egg on his face
Munya is quoted saying they were told Ruto called Kinoti. They also said they would not record any statement until the complainant filed a complaint. They requested for a record of the call Ruto made and were not given.
DCI is saying Ruto tipped them
Why is Munya believable? Because they never recorded a statement. They went in and out in under one hour. Do you think grilling and recording a statement over assassination claims of DPORK are so trivial as to be done in under 60 minutes? Means Ruto called but was too shy to record a statement because the next thing would be demanding proof for his allegations which he lacks. If there was a tape like Weta/Tuju trust me it would have been leaked. Instead we have a fake redacted letter. That’s Ruto’s smoking gun
I watched #AMLive. Moses Kuria is the one who convened those meetings and they have been meeting at the basement for a while since November last year. It’s not basement as in parking but a meeting room in the basement.
You think killing Ruto takes 30 politicians plus businessmen?
Pundit, William Ruto is not Chris Msando. Of what value will these PSs bring in in an assasination? James Macharia cannot even organise the BRT for Nairobi in an orderly manner. How will he manage the assasination of the political kingpin of RV?They talked about stopping Ruto using all means including assignation.CS kibicho is powerful head of internal security.You want Ruto to wait until he is dead.Besides they were dabbling in ethnic politics.Obviously Ruto by going frontal is aiming at crippling them.They are telling Uhuru to leverage handshake n extend his term.Right thinking gems political class and cs like Kiunjuri are urging Uhuru to retire.Who wins we shall see.
I have no idea of what these fellows were discussing, but an assasination would never be addressed to such a big crowd and with the wrong participants.So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.
Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.
What is secret about development?
Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.
The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.
Pundit, William Ruto is not Chris Msando. Of what value will these PSs bring in in an assasination? James Macharia cannot even organise the BRT for Nairobi in an orderly manner. How will he manage the assasination of the political kingpin of RV?They talked about stopping Ruto using all means including assignation.CS kibicho is powerful head of internal security.You want Ruto to wait until he is dead.Besides they were dabbling in ethnic politics.Obviously Ruto by going frontal is aiming at crippling them.They are telling Uhuru to leverage handshake n extend his term.Right thinking gems political class and cs like Kiunjuri are urging Uhuru to retire.Who wins we shall see.
I have no idea of what these fellows were discussing, but an assasination would never be addressed to such a big crowd and with the wrong participants.So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.
Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.
What is secret about development?
Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.
The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.
Fact #1 No statements were recorded
Fact#2 Ruto never filed a complaint. If he is too special he could have done it from his home
Imagine Uhuru sending his proxies to DCI to record statements only for them to get there and defy him. That’s the most pea-brained spin I have ever heard. :D
Munya’s and the rest statement makes all sense while your fantasies of a crisis meeting at State House plus marching orders to report to DCI are taka taka. Did you notice that the newspapers put Kibicho at SH yet he was part of these meetings?
I’m hearing Ichungwa has already claimed that DCI is incapable of carrying out the investigations
Uhuru has nothing new to offer Kenya,and in 2022 it will be 20 years of Okoyu presidency. Those are more than enough reasons to roll over and die. Not just Uhuru but Okoyu.
But Ruto has been part of the presidency for ten years and he too has nothing to offer Kenya other than lusting after State House.
Uhuru is going to Gatundu come 2022. Apende asipende. It is the hangerson and his family who would wish him to hang on to power. The man is tired and his true colours have come out. Even his own backyard is turning on him. A clueless fellow who Gideon Moi should have let to rot at Cameo bar. Even hanging out with Baba will not save him. He will go down as the worst president Kenya ever had in history. He has only achieved to increase the wealth of his family and that of his close cronies. That will be his legacy and we can forget the infamous Big4 agenda.
Hold you horse(aka Raila) Robina - Jubilee stakeholders do not want that to happen - and are very aware of Raila trojan horse. There is no surprise element here. It Raila who is being led to the kraal.
Look who is supporting KIbicho - out 172 Jubilee mps - we got who? ODM Ngunjiri and Maoke Maora :)
Uhuru is going to Gatundu come 2022. Apende asipende. It is the hangerson and his family who would wish him to hang on to power. The man is tired and his true colours have come out. Even his own backyard is turning on him. A clueless fellow who Gideon Moi should have let to rot at Cameo bar. Even hanging out with Baba will not save him. He will go down as the worst president Kenya ever had in history. He has only achieved to increase the wealth of his family and that of his close cronies. That will be his legacy and we can forget the infamous Big4 agenda.Uhuru has nothing new to offer Kenya,and in 2022 it will be 20 years of Okoyu presidency. Those are more than enough reasons to roll over and die. Not just Uhuru but Okoyu.
But Ruto has been part of the presidency for ten years and he too has nothing to offer Kenya other than lusting after State House.
Well put, crystal clear and utterly factual about the events that culminated in the drunkard getting into politics. You seem to be very aware of this historical fact, must be agemates with these folk 8). Meantime, for the umpteenth time, Ruto Phd. is going home with the Drunkard. They are impostors on the people of Kenya and we can't be rid of them sooner!
May I also remind Bwana Pundit that Ruto has no leverage on the deep state, he has zero intelligence on what is going on and that is why he is only left with crying foul and these scare-crow antics that won't bring the real planning of how to deal with him out of the woodworks!
Even then hasn't it been rather obvious that the "Senile Babu" has a more clearer path to where he is headed than Man-Ruto the Phd holder extra-ordinaire. So much about "Senile Babu" being strung along....
Look like you got spooked. I am going by these events. These guys held secret meetings at behest Kibicho (who was acting at behest of Uhuru - who is being fed BS). The meetings were political. One of guys spoke about even Ruto going Saitoti way (assassination). Ruto got wind of it as you expect unless you're an idiot who think Ruto doesn't have ears and eyes on the ground.
And all that is not in the "fake" letter. 10 guys were summoned....including PDU head Mr Wakiau, Ps Dr Njoroge (Energy) and others - the letter only named 4 CS and Kibicho.
Ruto went with info to statehouses and ask Uhuru to investigate. Kibicho & Munya obviously have tried to spin this. First claiming Ruto called Mr Sang to summon ministers :) based on the fake letter circulating online.
What I can gather - in Mt kenya - there are two camps in statehouse or 3 ( pro-ruto, pro-uhuru, moderates) - Uhuru has obviously been fed tall lies by Kibicho & co about him extending his rule beyond 2022 by amending the katiba & working raila - there is another group consisting of mainly pro-Ruto politicians and civil services likes of kiunjuri - who are popular on ground and do not want to hear that - they want uhuru to appoint a successor and go home.
And there are moderates - these are likes of Kinyua, the lady in that fake letter, and others - who just want to do their job - they are ones trying to steady Jubilee ship under a drunken sailor. The moderates are guys confident of their CVs and would work with any gov. They are not political type - Kinyua is an example of such guys. He worked under Moi as Finance Ps, Kibaki and Uhuru as secretary to cabinet - and can work even under Raila because he knows how to get stuff done.
That is moronic version that should be easy even for you pastor.
The same kind of power play happened under every PORK -kenyatta,moi and kibaki. Saitoti lost out under MOi because Ruto was feeding Moi fitina about Saitoti and Biwwot. So Ruto has phd in these kind of games. Under Kibaki - I think Saitoti was winning Kibaki (he had already won PNU chair) but Uhuru went ahead and made a peace deal with Ruto....and overtook him.
In Kenyatta time - some like Njonjo, Kibaki and GK were pro-moi - while Kenyatta close relatives like Mbiyu Koinage & his nephew Min of defence were against Moi - and wanted either Dr Mbiyu or that medical doctor of Kenyatta nephew (forget his name) to take over.
So this is just the replay of the INTENSE POWER PLAY - and Ruto has the experience of it - that he got under Moi. This time though Kibicho is powerful because he has NIS, CID and name it working for him - feeding Uhuru fitina. He also can block or restrict access to Uhuru - so MPs have not met Uhuru for 2yrs now. Ruto did the same whistle-blowing rumour mongering against Biwott and Saitoti - and they put in Uhuru.
What is working against Kibicho Phd Eng - no less - he has ZERO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE. He is in class 1 in politics. So this is "evenly" match but such mistakes like this one where he talks reckless in a "secret" meeting about talking Ruto going Saitoti way are costly blunders that will see him go down fast.One major blunder under alcohol saw the drunken Murathe lose Jubilee Vice-Chair job. Tuju is surviving by the whisker but clearly his stay is no longer tenable.
What works for Ruto is his political CV is just awesome, his experience in Moi kitchen cabinet and power play, his limitless finances, and his brilliance. Ruto obviously doesn't have official NIS - but he has his own NIS.Fact #1 No statements were recorded
Fact#2 Ruto never filed a complaint. If he is too special he could have done it from his home
Imagine Uhuru sending his proxies to DCI to record statements only for them to get there and defy him. That’s the most pea-brained spin I have ever heard. :D
Munya’s and the rest statement makes all sense while your fantasies of a crisis meeting at State House plus marching orders to report to DCI are taka taka. Did you notice that the newspapers put Kibicho at SH yet he was part of these meetings?
I’m hearing Ichungwa has already claimed that DCI is incapable of carrying out the investigations
You are the one who is spooked and are cleaving to unsubstantiated and implausible narratives.
Can I predict that this thing will die a natural death?
Neither Ruto nor his acolytes will ever raise it up as they will always be reminded they failed to record a statement.
EOD
I really don’t care about Mt. Kenya lubbish. That’s your baggage
You're not cut for this stuff. You cannot the simplest of dots.
Tell me where in the fake letters - does it mention - Njoroge, Kamua & Andrew Wakahiu
Mr Munya presented himself alongside Health CS Sicily Kariuki, ICT's Joe Mucheru, Energy Principal Secretary Joseph Njoroge, Petroleum PS Andrew Kamau and head of Presidential Delivery Unit Andrew Wakahiu to investigators at DCI on Monday morning.You are the one who is spooked and are cleaving to unsubstantiated and implausible narratives.
Can I predict that this thing will die a natural death?
Neither Ruto nor his acolytes will ever raise it up as they will always be reminded they failed to record a statement.
EOD
I really don’t care about Mt. Kenya lubbish. That’s your baggage
Care quote where Kinoti alleges Ruto called him. Kinoti was called by PORK. Before this Kibicho for some months now has basically withdrawn police and prov administration from Ruto meetings. Ruto had a tiff with him and Uhuru asked a report.
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What is not in denial is the CS meeting in the basement of the La Mada hotel without their phones. That is already very damaging for likes of Mucheru who clearly should know better.
Lubbish!
This saga does not add up. Sicily Kariuki, Joseph Mucheru, James Macharia and Peter Munya are not the right thugs to communicate with about an assasination. These fellows are the least qualified for such an adventure. What would they gain out of it? Ruto had better get serious as these political and finicial minions just do not fit into the shoes he is trying to push them into.
I’m allergic to pedestrian conspiracy theories
Walk me through this
Uhuru sends his CSs to DCI
CSs defy him by refusing to record statements
You still think Uhuru cares about Ruto career or safety. Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to take administrative action - the same Uhuru who stripped his JD to the bone? You even say Ruto has evidence of the CS's playing politics - like anyone cares. Now of course CS's and DCI report to Kibicho... KDF and Judiciary are they in Kinoti grip too :)
I told you even spin requires intelligence.
As you heard from Ruto sources - Ruto had requested the allegations be internally investigated but Uhuru went further & ordered those named to report to DCI.Ruto security was also beefed. The investigation doesn't include necessarily taking a statement. You can lawyer up and refuse to make a statement. That is what they did. Their lawyer is Munya.I’m allergic to pedestrian conspiracy theories
Walk me through this
Uhuru sends his CSs to DCI
CSs defy him by refusing to record statements
You still think Uhuru cares about Ruto career or safety. Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to take administrative action - the same Uhuru who stripped his JD to the bone? You even say Ruto has evidence of the CS's playing politics - like anyone cares. Now of course CS's and DCI report to Kibicho... KDF and Judiciary are they in Kinoti grip too :)
I told you even spin requires intelligence.
Ruto wanted ‘internal investigations’?
Why did he call DCI?
What was he expecting? Blame Mt. Kenya leaders of assassination plot and expect it to remain secret?
Ruto never even went to Uhuru in the first place. Uhuru learnt about the summons from the tv
Ruto didn't call DCI. He called Uhuru and Uhuru called CID. My friend you need authorization to summon CS to CID. You don't just get a call and start summoning them. Before that Monday - lots of groundwork had been done on the weekend.
Munya spin says they relied on fake letter - I ask you again where in that fake letter is Uhuru's PDU delivery man Wakahiu named.Ruto wanted ‘internal investigations’?
Why did he call DCI?
What was he expecting? Blame Mt. Kenya leaders of assassination plot and expect it to remain secret?
Ruto never even went to Uhuru in the first place. Uhuru learnt about the summons from the tv
There is nothing like deep state :) maybe you watch too many American movies. We have people with political influences, with levers of powers, with money and their power brokers. What we are witnessing in Jubilee is intense power play as Uhuru terms come to the end or maybe not. There is jostling and pushing as the future is uncertain for some - and repositioning for others. Obviously the biggest price for Ruto and Raila is Uhuru - who has the money, the state machinery and the gema backyard.
If there was a deep state - ICC duo wouldn't be PORK and DPORK.
And how does he know what they discussed let alone to kill him? Did he tap their phones which they didn't carry? Targeting people like Cecily Kariuki - looks like panic in Ruto camp.
Are you acting stupid or you're congenitally dumb. That hotel room was probably bugged. Even an idiot like Sonko got Kibicho on the record. There are of course double agents. But rest assured Ruto has NIS like capability. You don't get to DPORK that young in rough kenya if you're not smart. Ruto has the budget to hire guys to do all sort of things. Ruto does politics. I know first hand that Ruto has NIS like people :) - one of my friend - politician - who had defected back to Jubilee - Ruto had him followed to know his true stand.And how does he know what they discussed let alone to kill him? Did he tap their phones which they didn't carry? Targeting people like Cecily Kariuki - looks like panic in Ruto camp.
Are you acting stupid or you're congenitally dumb. That hotel room was probably bugged. Even an idiot like Sonko got Kibicho on the record. There are of course double agents. But rest assured Ruto has NIS like capability. You don't get to DPORK that young in rough kenya if you're not smart. Ruto has the budget to hire guys to do all sort of things. Ruto does politics. I know first hand that Ruto has NIS like people :) - one of my friend - politician - who had defected back to Jubilee - Ruto had him followed to know his true stand.
One minute there is deep state next minute there isn't. Almighty Kibicho who promote Matiang't, summon PS's, order Kinoti and Kameru around - those organs are the deep state, no? You can lie to us but don't lie to yourself. Ruto is not omniscient and is running out of breath - I mean we now log into Citizen Live Stream to laugh at his new tantrums - before heading to work. People are even missing out on African cup. He has become another Miguna.
So where are the recordings from the bugs? Ruto has NIS-like capabilities... hubris kweli. He is a mere mortal who has been tripped by senile Babu.Are you acting stupid or you're congenitally dumb. That hotel room was probably bugged. Even an idiot like Sonko got Kibicho on the record. There are of course double agents. But rest assured Ruto has NIS like capability. You don't get to DPORK that young in rough kenya if you're not smart. Ruto has the budget to hire guys to do all sort of things. Ruto does politics. I know first hand that Ruto has NIS like people :) - one of my friend - politician - who had defected back to Jubilee - Ruto had him followed to know his true stand.
Anyone with a few coins can hire private investigators and bribe to track. Not rocket science.
That’s what I said. If there are tapes,they would have been leaked. In their stead we have a fake redacted letter.
All Ruto was told was Kieleweke leaning guys were meeting regularly at La Murder. The paranoid him concocted assassination claims
If Ruto forwared the Intel to Uhuru - It's very likely won't come out of respect and confidentiality. Big difference btw being a mature leader and Sonko tapping and release tapes every now and then. Those tapes I bet exist and will be used if need be later. This is 21st century. Easy to bug a room. Eti leave all your phones :) on the doorThat’s what I said. If there are tapes,they would have been leaked. In their stead we have a fake redacted letter.
All Ruto was told was Kieleweke leaning guys were meeting regularly at La Murder. The paranoid him concocted assassination claims
What if he didn’t?
You are running on the fumes coming from these faceless guys from Ruto camp.
Munya and the gang walks into DCI and out in under 60 minutes without a statement and you can bet they were not even grilled. All this is consistent with Ruto attempting to direct DCI to chase his wild theories than an order from Uhuru.
At this point all we have is Munya’s clip outside DCI. You are free to build as many castles in the air as you wish over and above what Munya said,but fact remains you have ZERO proof :D
Hod did you know that PDU Wakahiu, for example, was involved:). You keep ranting and ranting - and avoiding facts - because you had formed your mind. 10 senior gov folks were ordered to report to CID. They lawyered up and refuse to make statements. That probably then ends of it. I don't Ruto is ready for drama of courts. This drama ended there. Ruto obviously is not interested in having criminal proceedings. It's Uhuru to hold his dogs - warn them against plotting - and let them focus on their job. Mucheru should be busy doing his ICT job - not campaigning in basements.
I think Kibicho brief, in any case, didn't include being reckless. Uhuru just wanted the fool to prepare the groundwork - but he goes and engages in criminal activities.What if he didn’t?
You are running on the fumes coming from these faceless guys from Ruto camp.
Munya and the gang walks into DCI and out in under 60 minutes without a statement and you can bet they were not even grilled. All this is consistent with Ruto attempting to direct DCI to chase his wild theories than an order from Uhuru.
At this point all we have is Munya’s clip outside DCI. You are free to build as many castles in the air as you wish over and above what Munya said,but fact remains you have ZERO proof :D
Do you know how confused you are?
Ruto does not want criminal proceedings but he goes to DCI?
What did he expect?
As I said, other than Ruto ghosts you are consulting all we know is what Munya plainly stated; Ruto called, Ruto never recorded a statement.
The rest ni pang’ang’a
Kibicho is powerful PS of Internal Security like his predecessors have been - recently the Mutea Iringo - who took Ruto to ICC together with Nancy Gitau. Before that - we had Zakayos and Kalam Madoung the original Opiyo of South Nyanza who ended in prison. Those are not deep states. Those POWERFUL position where you control levers of power - state security agencies and prov adminstrations - and alot of slush funds that people carry in bags.
Kibicho despite his power remain a civil servant - one big mistep - and he gets fired.
When did Ruto go to DCI :) Munya obviously won't tell you the BOSS ordered him; Bad optics. Munya also spin that allegation was from fake letter.
Why would Ruto demean himself and go before DCI to report his juniors - before even administrative action is taken.
Uhuru is the one who jumped the gun and ordered them to report to DCI - 10 of them.Do you know how confused you are?
Ruto does not want criminal proceedings but he goes to DCI?
What did he expect?
As I said, other than Ruto ghosts you are consulting all we know is what Munya plainly stated; Ruto called, Ruto never recorded a statement.
The rest ni pang’ang’a
Right. I was hoping you would define what 'deep state' is as well. As every 5th grade dropout knows, Deep State aka Dark Forces - are the patsy you blame when you want to attack PORK but are either a coward or in a political conundrum like yours truly Dr Moneybag. You're abit incoherent lately but spinning, turning corners and beating around the bush here will not help you. Not even patel nor Geemail buys your spin.
Politics is not about liking or caring about people. It's about self-interest. Obviously Ruto still care enough about Ruto - to have still doign gov business and for him to walk to Ruto office for working lunch and be in Eldoret last week.
Like I told Uhuru is PORK and ran a big ship. There are groups telling him xyz. They are others telling ABC. And even other telling him JKL.
Obviously Uhuru takes a lot of advice and being a politician - knows when to turn. Kibicho has hit a culdesac because his attempt to use civil services just failed.
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The pitfalls of relying on deep state to do your politics. Politics is about mobilization and spooks cannot address political rallies. All it took is one prank to scuttle Uhuru’s harebrained plan to deploy government to do his politics. Tanga Tanga 3 - Kieleweke 0You still think Uhuru cares about Ruto career or safety. Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to take administrative action - the same Uhuru who stripped his JD to the bone? You even say Ruto has evidence of the CS's playing politics - like anyone cares. Now of course CS's and DCI report to Kibicho... KDF and Judiciary are they in Kinoti grip too :)
I told you even spin requires intelligence.
If Ruto forwared the Intel to Uhuru - It's very likely won't come out of respect and confidentiality. Big difference btw being a mature leader and Sonko tapping and releasing tapes every now and then - nobody can trust Sonko with the country leadership. Those tapes I bet exist and will be used if need be later. This is 21st century. Easy to bug a room. Eti leave all your phones :) on the door
Again show us where in the fake letter the name Kamau, Njoroge and Wakahiu are mentioned
At least 5 more people were ordered to report to DCI. That CS mentioned only 5.
If wishes were horses... there is nothing respect or confidentiality between Uhuru or Ruto. If these CS's are undermining Ruto - they are doing it with the blessings of Uhuru. He tore into Tanga Tanga at Kasarani in Ruto's presence - using very vile words in vernacular - what do you mean by respect? Those Kieleweke crew that were appointed into parastatals recently - the Wawerus, Toro, Rubia - yet they insult Ruto day and night. Then ati now Ruto calls Uhuru and gives him confidential tapes - which only Pundit knows about - even Kinoti hasn't seen them.If Ruto forwared the Intel to Uhuru - It's very likely won't come out of respect and confidentiality. Big difference btw being a mature leader and Sonko tapping and releasing tapes every now and then - nobody can trust Sonko with the country leadership. Those tapes I bet exist and will be used if need be later. This is 21st century. Easy to bug a room. Eti leave all your phones :) on the door
Again show us where in the fake letter the name Kamau, Njoroge and Wakahiu are mentioned
At least 5 more people were ordered to report to DCI. That CS mentioned only 5.
All I am saying they are camps in gov, in statehouse and politics - there is an Anti-Ruto gang that rotate around Kibicho/Nancy working with Raila - there is Pro-Ruto gang working around Kiunjuri & many of Mt Kenya politicians - and there are neutrals working around Kinyua(the Sec of Cabinet & Head of Civil Services). There is the confused Moses-Sonko group too if you want to spice things:)
Uhuru obviously is working closely clandestinely with Anti-Ruto gang but Pro-Ruto gang are with the ground & are threatening to make Uhuru lame-duck if not worse. The neutrals or moderates like Kinyua - are the ones trying to bridge the divide.
The rest of the Jubilee outside Gusii now (Matiangi has emerged as strong force) is united behind Dr Ruto. So once we see how the battles btw Pro-Ruto and Anti-Ruto pans out - we can declare the winners & losers.
For now, we are in the middle of the schism. So far Ruto is doing great. He may just have extinguished Nancy/Kibicho strategy of using "deep state" - aka Civil Servants & Prov
Admin to soften the ground & campaign for handshake & referendum. The political class cannot risk because the ground is HOSTILE in mt Kenya against anything with RAILA in it.
Kibicho despite all the money, threats and coercion have only managed to get a handful of MPs - he has scared a lot to silence - but a politician of course only cares about the political pulse in mashinani. They cannot risk it. Their necks are on the line.
Now Uhuru has reached a junction. He can decide to proceed with Kibicho. He can decide to back Ruto. Or he can decide to go with moderates and slow down things...buy time. I think he will buy time. Anything else could drive him into cul de sac or proverbially akin to crossing the Rubicon river too early.
If he decides to continue with anti-Ruto group - there is a real risk of revolution - where likes of Kiunjuri stick it to him and forcefully take the mantle. Kiunjuri you must know was largely responsible with Ruto for the rout we saw in Mt Kenya against many older Mps. He is waiting and his patience will eventually run out. I don't think he is going back to Laikipia. He will make a deal with Ruto & fight Uhuru. They may have to close Kameme fm - that Ruto already bought - because Kiunjuri can be lethal :)
Obviously, Ruto is also considering Mt Kenya East - so there is the talk of current Speaker - moving from no 3 to no 2 - if Uhuru proof hard nut to crack.Right. I was hoping you would define what 'deep state' is as well. As every 5th grade dropout knows, Deep State aka Dark Forces - are the patsy you blame when you want to attack PORK but are either a coward or in a political conundrum like yours truly Dr Moneybag. You're abit incoherent lately but spinning, turning corners and beating around the bush here will not help you. Not even patel nor Geemail buys your spin.
If wishes were horses... there is nothing respect or confidentiality between Uhuru and Ruto. If these CS's are undermining Ruto - they are doing it with the blessings of Uhuru. He tore into Tanga Tanga at Kasarani in Ruto's presence - using very vile words in vernacular - what do you mean by respect? Those Kieleweke crew that were appointed into parastatals recently - the Wawerus, Toro, Rubia - yet they insult Ruto day and night. Then ati now Ruto calls Uhuru and gives him confidential tapes - which only Pundit knows about - even Kinoti hasn't seen them.
RV-Pundit, who knew the shoe would fall on the other feet so fast. You are spinning this Ruto-Ouru thing and like Robina correctly pointed out, it reminds me of myself when I used to spin for RAO. The reality is that the fight between the two is quickly escalating from under the table to the open and that is what Ruto has been trying to avoid for so long but he cannot maintain the lie that everything is OK between the two when the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. His propaganda campaign machinery clearly reveals that he has panicked. The Ouru camp want him to escalate the fight so that Ruto can crack. They do not trust Ruto and believes Ruto is dangerous. The fact that he would be the biggest beneficiary if Ouru were to die makes him very dangerous to Ouru's camp. For us its more popcorns.
All I am saying they are camps in gov, in statehouse and politics - there is an Anti-Ruto gang that rotate around Kibicho/Nancy working with Raila - there is Pro-Ruto gang working around Kiunjuri & many of Mt Kenya politicians - and there are neutrals working around Kinyua(the Sec of Cabinet & Head of Civil Services). There is the confused Moses-Sonko group too if you want to spice things:)
Uhuru obviously is working closely clandestinely with Anti-Ruto gang but Pro-Ruto gang are with the ground & are threatening to make Uhuru lame-duck if not worse. The neutrals or moderates like Kinyua - are the ones trying to bridge the divide.
The rest of the Jubilee outside Gusii now (Matiangi has emerged as strong force) is united behind Dr Ruto. So once we see how the battles btw Pro-Ruto and Anti-Ruto pans out - we can declare the winners & losers.
For now, we are in the middle of the schism. So far Ruto is doing great. He may just have extinguished Nancy/Kibicho strategy of using "deep state" - aka Civil Servants & Prov
Admin to soften the ground & campaign for handshake & referendum. The political class cannot risk because the ground is HOSTILE in mt Kenya against anything with RAILA in it.
Kibicho despite all the money, threats and coercion have only managed to get a handful of MPs - he has scared a lot to silence - but a politician of course only cares about the political pulse in mashinani. They cannot risk it. Their necks are on the line.
Now Uhuru has reached a junction. He can decide to proceed with Kibicho. He can decide to back Ruto. Or he can decide to go with moderates and slow down things...buy time. I think he will buy time. Anything else could drive him into cul de sac or proverbially akin to crossing the Rubicon river too early.
If he decides to continue with anti-Ruto group - there is a real risk of revolution - where likes of Kiunjuri stick it to him and forcefully take the mantle. Kiunjuri you must know was largely responsible with Ruto for the rout we saw in Mt Kenya against many older Mps. He is waiting and his patience will eventually run out. I don't think he is going back to Laikipia. He will make a deal with Ruto & fight Uhuru. They may have to close Kameme fm - that Ruto already bought - because Kiunjuri can be lethal :)
Obviously, Ruto is also considering Mt Kenya East - so there is the talk of current Speaker - moving from no 3 to no 2 - if Uhuru proof hard nut to crack.
Calm down and suck in the reality... you are over-spinning the un-spinnable! Don't be carried away by your alternative facts which you wish were the reality. I need not add to where good Robina has already pointed out your own admission of the deep state.
In his complaint to Uhuru, Ruto should pretty well have added that Speaker Muturi was at the La'Mada as well. Just for some elementary facts so that you don't get lost here; speaker Muturi is speaker because of Uhuru, he owes his rehabilitation from the wilderness to Uhuru. After his ignominious exit as a Chief Magistrate Thika, he was a disaster of a drunkard in Thika town and its environs (14 Falls Lodge) and was smoking enough weed with enough calabash-full of muratanas with Uhuru at the famous 14Falls Lodge day in day out!
They were quite an inseparable pair and which is why Uhuru at Muturi's mother's funeral said that she was like a mother to him as well. Muturi and Murathe are inseparable from Uhuru. Banish any thought that Muturi would entertain a running-mate arrangement with Ruto. If you have been misled to this direction then it shows the desperation in your ranks. Muturi has already achieved way beyond his wildest dreams and expectations and is only waiting to retire with Uhuru and go back to their binging, what with a lifetime pension as ex-speaker assured!
Calm down and suck in the reality... you are over-spinning the un-spinnable! Don't be carried away by your alternative facts which you wish were the reality. I need not add to where good Robina has already pointed out your own admission of the deep state.
In his complaint to Uhuru, Ruto should pretty well have added that Speaker Muturi was at the La'Mada as well. Just for some elementary facts so that you don't get lost here; speaker Muturi is speaker because of Uhuru, he owes his rehabilitation from the wilderness to Uhuru. After his ignominious exit as a Chief Magistrate Thika, he was a disaster of a drunkard in Thika town and its environs (14 Falls Lodge) and was smoking enough weed with enough calabash-full of muratanas with Uhuru at the famous 14Falls Lodge day in day out!
They were quite an inseparable pair and which is why Uhuru at Muturi's mother's funeral said that she was like a mother to him as well. Muturi and Murathe are inseparable from Uhuru. Banish any thought that Muturi would entertain a running-mate arrangement with Ruto. If you have been misled to this direction then it shows the desperation in your ranks. Muturi has already achieved way beyond his wildest dreams and expectations and is only waiting to retire with Uhuru and go back to their binging, what with a lifetime pension as ex-speaker assured!
I dont deny that Uhuru has been pro-kibicho/gitau ever since they delivered Raila - but they failed in their strategies to contain Ruto.Whatever they've thrown at Ruto, Ruto has deftly turned it around. In fact we are here because Ruto popularity in mt kenya has them so worried they are now scrambling civil servants to do politics. That is where you do not want to admit. It also fact that war of attrition has not gone overboard. Uhuru has not hit Ruto directly and Ruto has been respectful publicly.
I know many of you cannot wait to see the end of Jubilee. Its gonna be a long wait.This is just cold war. They both the consequence of such a war will be Mutually Assured Destruction.Obviously Raila is egging Uhuru to drop the nuclear - but he will be stupid to press the button.
Kibicho are pawns that can be give up anytime to defend position.....so I watch the Kings and Queens.
Kichwa agrees these long inshas - theses - are nostalgic. He needed Ivy English and then some to explain away Babu troubles in Kalenjin. Ruto at Sep 2017 had literally ALL the Kikuyu MPs. Now they have fizzled out into a handful - Nyoro, Ichung'wa, Alice Wahome, Ngirici and Waruguru. The heavyweights - wa Iria, Kuria, Waiguru, Kabogo - have abandoned him - and in fact Waiguru and Kuria are fighting him. Baba Yao has chickened out after doing the math. Likes of Kimemia no longer appear anywhere with your boy. Even Sonko the alleycat [sic] - who you now call stupid and confused :) - is hammering your hero - calling for Uhuru 3rd term.
I wonder how you will survive 3 years of spin with your poor grammar.
A few days prior to the Muturi straw - Waiguru was the preferred running-mate. Until she turned like a cobra - with the Kenol outburst against the hustler. The spin is that Waiguru demanded the position exclusively and was turned down. :)
Explain MAD to us.
Uhuru is going home. Not everyone is planning to go home. Obviously, someone like Murathe has no future. Muturi - they are actually two - Muturi the speaker - and Njee Muturi - that you're missing up. Muturi the speaker is positioning himself for DPORK.
https://www.tuko.co.ke/307569-embu-meru-leaders-endorse-speaker-justin-muturi-william-rutos-2022-running-mate.html#307569Calm down and suck in the reality... you are over-spinning the un-spinnable! Don't be carried away by your alternative facts which you wish were the reality. I need not add to where good Robina has already pointed out your own admission of the deep state.
In his complaint to Uhuru, Ruto should pretty well have added that Speaker Muturi was at the La'Mada as well. Just for some elementary facts so that you don't get lost here; speaker Muturi is speaker because of Uhuru, he owes his rehabilitation from the wilderness to Uhuru. After his ignominious exit as a Chief Magistrate Thika, he was a disaster of a drunkard in Thika town and its environs (14 Falls Lodge) and was smoking enough weed with enough calabash-full of muratanas with Uhuru at the famous 14Falls Lodge day in day out!
They were quite an inseparable pair and which is why Uhuru at Muturi's mother's funeral said that she was like a mother to him as well. Muturi and Murathe are inseparable from Uhuru. Banish any thought that Muturi would entertain a running-mate arrangement with Ruto. If you have been misled to this direction then it shows the desperation in your ranks. Muturi has already achieved way beyond his wildest dreams and expectations and is only waiting to retire with Uhuru and go back to their binging, what with a lifetime pension as ex-speaker assured!
Now, Muturi the speaker is Uhuru drinking & weed smoking mate as is Murathe.
?s=19Hussein: Some dailies report that it is actually the President who asked for the probe
— Citizen TV Kenya (@citizentvkenya) June 25, 2019
CS Peter Munya: I do not know about that. DCI told us they had been informed, that the DP made a complaint through a call#NewsNight @HusseinMohamedg pic.twitter.com/6yeq717foa
Kiunjuri sticks to his guns; DCI told them they received a call from Ruto.?s=19Hussein: Some dailies report that it is actually the President who asked for the probe
— Citizen TV Kenya (@citizentvkenya) June 25, 2019
CS Peter Munya: I do not know about that. DCI told us they had been informed, that the DP made a complaint through a call#NewsNight @HusseinMohamedg pic.twitter.com/6yeq717foa
I'd like to know the source of the State House spin that Uhuru ordered the accused to report to DCI. BS
So? You expected he will change his story. Munya is the politician-lawyer in that group. I wish Mucheru would be the one talking.
Tell us why those other guys like Ps Eng Njoroge are there. 4 CS,6PS and Parastal head were instructed to go see DCI first thing Monday.
They took themselves there.
(https://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/5170266/highRes/2379581/-/maxw/600/-/q7y08yz/-/MAINPIX.jpg)
From left: Cabinet secretaries Sicily Kariuki (Health), Joe Mucheru (ICT) and Peter Munya (Trade), Energy PS Andrew Kamau, President’s Delivery Unit secretary Andrew Wakahiu and Energy PS Joseph Njoroge speak at the DCI headquarters on June 24, 2019Kiunjuri sticks to his guns; DCI told them they received a call from Ruto.?s=19Hussein: Some dailies report that it is actually the President who asked for the probe
— Citizen TV Kenya (@citizentvkenya) June 25, 2019
CS Peter Munya: I do not know about that. DCI told us they had been informed, that the DP made a complaint through a call#NewsNight @HusseinMohamedg pic.twitter.com/6yeq717foa
I'd like to know the source of the State House spin that Uhuru ordered the accused to report to DCI. BS
She has an issue with kirinyanga women rep - wagirici who is close to Ruto. That is her main problem. That women rep husband basically stole Kanyotu loot and like Sonko during Kidero error is running her own county gov parralel to Waiguru. I think one point she looked like she could be considered esp if she was to get Uhuru backing. Obviously, my money has been on Kiunjuri since 2016 or around.
Do I have to do this every day? The only beneficiary in UhuRuto war is Raila. That is obvious. Uhuru will not get a term extension. Raila wants to dupe him with PM position - which will happen post-facto - after GEMA are made to vote Raila as PORK. I mean someone has to be that stupid and that desperate to take such a position.
Anyway I wish we had concrete stuff to work on. Like constitutional proposals that define how such a mongrel would work :). Raila wants a secure 7yr "ceremonial" PORK. That is crazy - and Uhuru will serve at the pleasure of Mpigs.
If uhuru sneaks in a clause declaring he is eligible to run again for PORK or ceremonial PORK (new job anyway that is non-executive :) then I would be very worried.
But so far as I can see - these are just scare-scrows - kamikaze projects.
Ruto offer to GEMA is simple - PICK DPORK and get 50% share - and we continue for 10yrs. After 10yrs - we swamp forever and ever more.Explain MAD to us.
Do I have to repeat this everyday: William Ruto has never been PORK - and he is a fire-spitting dragon - so no, he is not trustworthy. I told you, and the events concur, that Ruto cannot be trusted by Gema cause power concede nothing. Gema will be stripped from him - and auctioned to the highest bidder as he did Kalenjin. Whether we get PM or not, there will be horse-trading in 2022 and aluta continua. That Uhuru should just sit silent and let Ruto directly control Gema... yawwnnn.
Raila will betray Uhuru - of course. It is why the animal is being sliced officially. Nothing stop Raila from going for PM. These are all politicians and there is nothing special about Ruto or genocidal Kalenjin so they can be trusted more than Luo. In any event, the tussle over referendum is a great platform to demonize Ruto in Gema - who will be told they need Uhuru to defend them. Gema will file behind Uhuru to the last man.
MAD - I see none of it in your incoherent response. Of course Raila is the big winner - finally you own up :D - while Ruto is the big loser. Ergo, Ruto cannot start open war against Uhuru or RV Gema - so he must attack an imaginary power cabal run by Kibicho and Jezebel - while prostrating before Uhuru. As BBI wind up - he will have to make a stand - and as you can see shit is already hitting the fan.
Pundit and your echo chamber - that Gema will go with Ruto without Uhuru... when you come up for air - like are struggling to over the demise of Uhurutopia - utalia sana.It all depends.Moi and Kibaki were once tribal leaders.As Uhuru become lame duck nobody will really care about what he say.So he needs to talk about referendum to extend his term to regain some lost ground.Selling Raila in GEMA won't be easy.At some point likes of Kiunjuri or Wa Iria or mt Kenya east will take the war to him.Martha and PK are buried.What Ruto's leverage over GEMA...he has DPORK to give out and of course the ever present threat of war if gema don't repay the political debt. Referendum is only thing btw Ruto and PORK.
The main headline in Kenya for now is Ruto's war with Gema - Kibicho, Munya, Waiguru, name it. Kuria swiftly came to the CS's defense... iko chida. Your corrupt boy is going nowhere. He needs to focus on Luhya or Mijikenda.
First, we need to see Kibicho gone - I think by now you also realize his stay is no longer tenable. Unless Uhuru wants to play his aces this early in the game. Uhuru seems to have directed the whole lot of them to go to DCI - I am not sure what thinking here is?
Gema are btw a rock and hard place - Ruto or Raila - or well they may go for it again (uhuru 3.0) or someone else new (certainly Gusii with Matiangi seem ready to play and so could some luhyas if persuade for another PNU like arrangement) - in the meantime Kiunjuri is slowly and surely positioning himself to be your future president
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Kiunjuri-distances-self-Ruto-murder-plot-claims/1064-5172458-uavakp/index.html
Whatever the case - Ruto cannot move to Plan B - before Plan A unravels. He is obviously working on PLAN B, C and D - including even working with Raila :). He just about 53 yrs if I am not wrong. He technically can run for pork in 2042 or even 2047:)...and intends to ran when he is approaching 80.The main headline in Kenya for now is Ruto's war with Gema - Kibicho, Munya, Waiguru, name it. Kuria swiftly came to the CS's defense... iko chida. Your corrupt boy is going nowhere. He needs to focus on Luhya or Mijikenda.
Funny you compare Ruto's infinite future chances to Uhuru who already had his ten. Uhuru has accomplished what Ruto can only fantasize and what he is busy chasing.
Funny you compare Ruto's infinite future chances to Uhuru who already had his ten. Uhuru has accomplished what Ruto can only fantasize and what he is busy chasing.
Pundit will tell you about Ruto's infinite wisdom - Plan A, B.. Z. Plan B of course is PEV 2 - C is exile - D is ICC. He is welcome to be Babu's deputy if he can swallow the hubris :D - a more realistic option - and cry in the toilet again like now.
Funny you compare Ruto's infinite future chances to Uhuru who already had his ten. Uhuru has accomplished what Ruto can only fantasize and what he is busy chasing.
vooke bring Pundit back to earth. Ako huko juu Utopia. Ruto has all these magical plans but others don't. This cheap narrative about death threats - anonymous Ruto supporter is spewing - complete with 'confidential' surveillance tapes. :D The reality is Gema are deserting him one after the other. I don't get what makes Pundit think Ruto is more sellable to Gema than Babu or any other skunk? Most Gema and Kenyans know he is a demon. His ugly fangs are already showing - cause deep down Ruto is entitled and will resort to violence if outmanoeuvred - which will be a walk in the park for Babu. Even outside Gema, Luo, Kalenjin - Ruto cannot beat Babu. His polarizing persona only ever got anywhere on Uhuru or Babu banner. There is a reason he clutches so fiercely to Uhuru - cause without him bilaz. No traction past his natural pastoralist constituency.
I think Pundito is crossing his fingers that Uhuru will be another Kibaki, completely lame duck. He must be having perpetual nightmares trying to spin away the fact that the cabinet is intact and busy spiting Ruto who is the future of the universe.
He should be humble and concede that things are falling apart. That's more therapeutic instead of faux bravado
The meetings are still going on https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Mt-Kenya-ministers-meet-under-cloud-of-Ruto-murder-plot/1064-5173222-4sr21p/index.html , expecting uhuru to fire kibicho is delusional. Ruto was given a rope to hang himself with. Central will defend their own. The overwhelming view of central is their people who are meeting to address their concerns are being falsely accused.
Fantasize.Ruto has been mostly PORK when Uhuru has been mostly drunk.Uhuru men just woke up because their man is going home and they've been trying to wrestle the control back from Ruto. He has been DPORK for 6yrs- not just a mere DPORK - but a guy who control 50% of the gov and majority of Mps. I am not sure what else he needs - except the title of PORK.
And he was acting PORK for 3 days :) :). If anything happen to Uhuru - he becomes PORK.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NMvWj_RS5w4/maxresdefault.jpg)Funny you compare Ruto's infinite future chances to Uhuru who already had his ten. Uhuru has accomplished what Ruto can only fantasize and what he is busy chasing.
Unless Uhuru wants a dysfunctional gov - then he would do exactly that. Every action has a reaction.The meetings are still going on https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Mt-Kenya-ministers-meet-under-cloud-of-Ruto-murder-plot/1064-5173222-4sr21p/index.html , expecting uhuru to fire kibicho is delusional. Ruto was given a rope to hang himself with. Central will defend their own. The overwhelming view of central is their people who are meeting to address their concerns are being falsely accused.
Glad you have climbed down from speculating taming and sacking Kibicho to rationalizing it when it’s not forthcoming. You make up shiet as it unravels
What did I miss? Some breaking news or HK theory? My theory is Kibicho has put himself in a position he simply has to go if Uhuru is still interested in a semblance of functioning gov.
Waiguru also one made that mistake - she was untouchable - until she started go neck to neck with his boss - Ruto. I don't think Uhuru want to have two gov in one like we had in NARA - yes there will be camps - but some semblance of decorum and order is required.
Now tell us what unraveled the last few hours :) that makes you so excited apart from HK take that Kibicho is going nowhere.Glad you have climbed down from speculating taming and sacking Kibicho to rationalizing it when it’s not forthcoming. You make up shiet as it unravels
I see you'r reasoning capacity has hits it's natural limits.Now go read some Bible or get some gays & treat them and let's have some decorum.Some of us have twenty years online experience.Keep it clean son.We are just floating theories here..and the rationale behind them.What did I miss? Some breaking news or HK theory? My theory is Kibicho has put himself in a position he simply has to go if Uhuru is still interested in a semblance of functioning gov.
Waiguru also one made that mistake - she was untouchable - until she started go neck to neck with his boss - Ruto. I don't think Uhuru want to have two gov in one like we had in NARA - yes there will be camps - but some semblance of decorum and order is required.
Now tell us what unraveled the last few hours :) that makes you so excited apart from HK take that Kibicho is going nowhere.Glad you have climbed down from speculating taming and sacking Kibicho to rationalizing it when it’s not forthcoming. You make up shiet as it unravels
Wake me up when Kibicho or anyone else leaves. As long as he remains then you are full of shiet
I see you'r reasoning capacity has hits it's natural limits.Now go read some Bible or get some gays & treat them and let's have some decorum.Some of us have twenty years online experience.Keep it clean son.We are just floating theories here..and the rationale behind them.What did I miss? Some breaking news or HK theory? My theory is Kibicho has put himself in a position he simply has to go if Uhuru is still interested in a semblance of functioning gov.
Waiguru also one made that mistake - she was untouchable - until she started go neck to neck with his boss - Ruto. I don't think Uhuru want to have two gov in one like we had in NARA - yes there will be camps - but some semblance of decorum and order is required.
Now tell us what unraveled the last few hours :) that makes you so excited apart from HK take that Kibicho is going nowhere.Glad you have climbed down from speculating taming and sacking Kibicho to rationalizing it when it’s not forthcoming. You make up shiet as it unravels
Wake me up when Kibicho or anyone else leaves. As long as he remains then you are full of shiet
Butthurt kid.
You said he would go, he has not gone. He actually sued Ruto for harassment which is more about telling him who is the boss. Keep hallucinating
I see you want him gone in new york minute?. Is your entire life dependant on Kibicho. You'll get over it. We are here for the long haul - you're already losing it in 2019.Butthurt kid.
You said he would go, he has not gone. He actually sued Ruto for harassment which is more about telling him who is the boss. Keep hallucinating
You are the one who has been sacking him ever since they were summoned and even before that. I can’t even tell him if I ran into him
My problem is that you conflate facts and wishes. You can only say you don't think he will be fired - and then we wait. I don't think anybody here speak for Uhuru. We are just pundits.You are the one who has been sacking him ever since they were summoned and even before that. I can’t even tell him if I ran into him
You are the one who is so confident of your guesses that you confuse them for reality.
I’d say we wait until something happens.
The problem with your position is that it is indefinite in that if he is not sacked a year from now, you can still claim to be waiting. Mine, on the other hand, remains true until he is sacked. I will only be wrong once he is sacked.
Kibicho threatening to release names of those who killed Msando and Jacob Juma..........waaah.
That makes sense - you're right until you're wrong. I am of course pretty confident about my guesses and my punditry speak for itself. I also don't pretend to know any of inner goings but I make my arguments with connecting dots in publicly available info and then apply basic rationality.
Now don't try to shut us up or throw insults like a toddler. We will continue to watch the political events unfold.
I am a mere pundit and I make that very clear in my signature, I am not shiet until Kibicho is fired. That is a crazy thought you got there.You are the one who is so confident of your guesses that you confuse them for reality.
I’d say we wait until something happens.
The problem with your position is that it is indefinite in that if he is not sacked a year from now, you can still claim to be waiting. Mine, on the other hand, remains true until he is sacked. I will only be wrong once he is sacked.
I think Pundito is crossing his fingers that Uhuru will be another Kibaki, completely lame duck. He must be having perpetual nightmares trying to spin away the fact that the cabinet is intact and busy spiting Ruto who is the future of the universe.
He should be humble and concede that things are falling apart. That's more therapeutic instead of faux bravado
Glad you have climbed down from speculating taming and sacking Kibicho to rationalizing it when it’s not forthcoming. You make up shiet as it unravels
Tuju was meant to be gone yesterday - because he said Ruto should fix Kiambaa church. Instead we have posters of Ruto and his minions doing just that.
Unconfirmed
Investigators are now zeroing in on some officials in the deputy president's office over allegations of fabricating a letter, purportedly naming some CSs, in a plot to assassinate the DP.
Vooke - I hear there is an audio out.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-28-ruto-snubs-media-over-assassination-claims-new-audio-emerges/
What is more important is what went down in la murderVooke - I hear there is an audio out.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-28-ruto-snubs-media-over-assassination-claims-new-audio-emerges/
I have tried my best to grab that audio and I can't.
But coming this late makes me skeptical.
Mukormen wants DCI to focus on allegations and not the letter. That's funny. Are they mutually exclusive?
What is more important is what went down in la murderVooke - I hear there is an audio out.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-28-ruto-snubs-media-over-assassination-claims-new-audio-emerges/
I have tried my best to grab that audio and I can't.
But coming this late makes me skeptical.
Mukormen wants DCI to focus on allegations and not the letter. That's funny. Are they mutually exclusive?
That is of less importance that public knowing they are planning to rig the referendum and don't have exit plan from power.Its very unlikely kibicho poodle at DCi will investigate this..and also very unlikely that Uhuru will take Adminstrative Action if he was one behind this.Now it's upon patriots to fight back and kick them out of power using all means necessary.What is more important is what went down in la murderVooke - I hear there is an audio out.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-28-ruto-snubs-media-over-assassination-claims-new-audio-emerges/
I have tried my best to grab that audio and I can't.
But coming this late makes me skeptical.
Mukormen wants DCI to focus on allegations and not the letter. That's funny. Are they mutually exclusive?
Of course, but the letter was allegedly part of it.
Let’s wait for the clip and Ruto’s statement, and sackings of course
That is of less importance that public knowing they are planning to rig the referendum and don't have exit plan from power.Its very unlikely kibicho poodle at DCi will investigate this..and also very unlikely that Uhuru will take Adminstrative Action if he was one behind this.Now it's upon patriots to fight back and kick them out of power using all means necessary.
Equally unlikely is the DCI to treat rumors with any seriousness, and this especially when they confirm the fake letter originated from Ruto’s camp, and Ruto is least interested in recording a statement or sharing other evidence.That is of less importance that public knowing they are planning to rig the referendum and don't have exit plan from power.Its very unlikely kibicho poodle at DCi will investigate this..and also very unlikely that Uhuru will take Adminstrative Action if he was one behind this.Now it's upon patriots to fight back and kick them out of power using all means necessary.What is more important is what went down in la murderVooke - I hear there is an audio out.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-06-28-ruto-snubs-media-over-assassination-claims-new-audio-emerges/
I have tried my best to grab that audio and I can't.
But coming this late makes me skeptical.
Mukormen wants DCI to focus on allegations and not the letter. That's funny. Are they mutually exclusive?
Of course, but the letter was allegedly part of it.
Let’s wait for the clip and Ruto’s statement, and sackings of course
You like Vooke suffers from the instant coffee syndrome. My friend, some of us saw UhuRuto presidency as early as 2008. I saw Ruto-Kiunjuri as early as 2015-2016. Small fry like Tuju is gone. He stay is no longer tenable. He cannot preside over anything Jubilee except maybe it's a funeral - which you said already happened. He may stay until next year when all interim official are excepted to go -Tuju was meant to be gone yesterday - because he said Ruto should fix Kiambaa church. Instead we have posters of Ruto and his minions doing just that.
Very possible. Dennis Itumbi use to do that for TNA/PNU. Produce fake ODM letters that had some "truth" in it. I think Itumbi now works fro Ruto. The letter is a diversion - what DCI need to do is get the bottom of those tribal meetings under the basement of La Murder - and find out why they were secretive with phones confiscated. If civil servants were engaged in politics and of insubordination -that is more serious crime than the fake letter.
That is of less importance that public knowing they are planning to rig the referendum and don't have exit plan from power.Its very unlikely kibicho poodle at DCi will investigate this..and also very unlikely that Uhuru will take Adminstrative Action if he was one behind this.Now it's upon patriots to fight back and kick them out of power using all means necessary.
Sounds like NASA in 2017 after round 2 of sham elections.
The letter is believed to have been drafted and printed in a cybercafe on Lang’ata Road with the intention of disrupting meetings held by senior Mount Kenya officials to apparently counter Dr Ruto’s inroads in the region.
An employee based at his offices told Sunday Nation, “The risk of political backlash in central Kenya is real. Let’s wait and see what happens. But trust me, if it comes out that the letter was from Harambee Annex, I know the DP will crack the whip,” said the official.
The fear of spending the weekend in the cells had seen one of the two aides to the DP move out of Nairobi as the other switched off his phones.
Investigative agencies have washed their hands off the matter by announcing they had invited the American Federal of Bureau of Investigations (FBI) in a well calculated move, leaving the ball in the Ruto camp to prove the assassination claims.
“We have been accused before of being biased in our work. We decided to bring an independent body to carry out investigations and identify the people who authored the suspicious letter and the origin of the allegations,” Director of Public Prosecution Noordin Haji told MPs on Thursday.
Ruto morons are in trouble over the fake letter.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Detectives-narrow-down-to-Ruto-aides-in-death-plot-claims/1950946-5176898-ufin3y/index.html
Unverified
Three tanga tanga bloggers Dennis Itumbi , Emmanuel Talam and David Mugonyi set to be arrested over the fake Assassination plot letter.
Arrests expected soonest. They have all gone into hiding.
These are the same Cambridge Analytica tactics they used in the 2017 elections.
All these fake letters that you see online have an origin
I wasn't expecting a sleepwalk to State House at this point. But I'd be lying if I said I thought this would be the level of desperation.
Letter - most likely from CS Prof Kobia.
Handshake plotting Ruto assassination with 40 lackeys discussing details somewhere in La Mada Hotel, Kiambu Road! How's that for a Naija movie?
Civil servants do politics all the time in Zamunda - it's a separate item from the assassination maneno. 40 guys in a hotel plotting murder... :D Even spin requires intelligence.
Ruto is desperate to keep Gema. To this extent of fake stories to gain sympathy. He needs to consolidate his URP and wait to deal. Gema are not Luhya or Mijikenda - these tantrums and circus are like stalking a girl - the more he tries the worse it gets.
You were twisting the story to fit you narrative. The letter and audio are very clear. The details of the assasinaitions were not discussed. Kibicho said even Saitoti option could be explored because they had to stop Ruto AT ALL COSTS. There were other strategies to stop ruto and remain in power including changing the constitution through a referendum - that could also be rigged if need be.
So basically the idea of murdering Ruto if need be was floated in the air at the la murder secretive meeting where phones were confiscated.
Obviously anti-Ruto forces like you are trying to twist that 40 people sat and planned how to assassinate Ruto. It has NOT got there yet - but like the Bible say - In the beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. They will get desperate and definitely plan it latter.
The person uttering those words is none other than powerful PS Kibicho - who has already played games with Ruto & his supporter's security - withdrawing police & bodyguards & prov admin - leaving them vulnerable. The same person is captured in sonko audio claiming he can BRING DOWN anybody anytime because he controls the security arms of gov.
And the person had the audacity to tell Ruto - his security began from you - and now that Ruto has taken his advice & taken his security seriously - you come here and write long nonsense.
And who knows who drown Ruto chopper with Americans working for Ruto campaign in Turkana recently? It could be the winds? It could be Kibicho. They did the same to Raila wazungu - send them scampering.
Kingereza miingi... When is Ruto recording a statement - or what exactly should DCI investigate? The law requires a written complaint on such case of personal injury. Of course, we know Ruto cannot record a statement - cause he would incriminate himself - obviously the letter, audio, etc are all fake.
Ruto is DPORK and acting PORK whenever PORK is incapacitated. Plotting murder or ouster of Ruto thro unconstitutional means is TREASON. Ruto is not filling a personal injury case. He doesn't need to make any formal complaint. This is a statutory offense like engaging in sex (raping) with a minor.
Besides, we know who hired Kinoti and who he works with. Kibicho controls the security organs. You don't expect any serious investigation to happen. That is why all action is on Itumbi letter - not LA MURDER BASEMENT HOTEL.
The most important thing is their admission that they've been meeting at night to plan development for their region - and likes of Kiunjuri are not invited.
This katiba outlaws state officers including ministers from doing exactly that - engaging in partisan politics or development.
We can as well start appointing MPS to be ministers.
Kingereza 101.. who is firing the CS's - Uhuru? :) Why can't Nyoro or Sudi bring a censure motion against the CS's - afterall Rutp controls parliament, right? This circus is all about Gema - you can raise ethics all you like - and loop in Kaparo or whoever took over. Gema are goone.
That surely is prerogative of Ruto & Sudi. Why do you want him to use all the arsenal on Kibicho? This is a war of attrition.Everyone keeping the aces and jokers close to their chest - and playing useless cards like you.La murder meetings obviously will cease...those 40s folks will reduce to few diehards - who will now be meeting in Kibicho bedroom under lots of muratina and heavy smokes - like of Mucheru will have to make a tough choice - and they know Ruto is watching them like a hawk. Objective achieved...this misadventure of using civil servants t do politics has been nipped in the bud. Ignore their brave lamentations.
If kenya goes to flames - you can bet La Murder Hotel will be ICC/OTP/DVD/CD/ O01 exhibit.
?s=19Arrest of @OleItumbi is a strategy to divert attention from the La Mada meeting&plan.Was there a meeting?Did PS in charge of DCI say Ruto must be stopped Saitoti way?Who complained about assassination?And to who?The authenticity of the allegations is more important than a letter
— KIPCHUMBA MURKOMEN, E.G.H (@kipmurkomen) July 3, 2019
Another Tanga Tanga roach like Jaguar - watajua iko sirkal.Not in new Kenya where murder or treason suspects are entitled bail.its a few days of drama and nothing morw
Another Tanga Tanga roach like Jaguar - watajua iko sirkal.Not in new Kenya where murder or treason suspects are entitled bail.its a few days of drama and nothing morw
Well yeah, but Baba Yao doesn't seem to agree.. after the anticipatory bail magistrate got suspended and quit. Now dude is lying low like an envelope. State can bully you if it's determined. Jaguar 5 days in GK he looks 5 years older. Itumbi must be eating raw beans and soup with drunkards tonight. All Ruto crew can do is bark at funerals and twitter about autopilot - they got no say over GoK.
Itumbi ndani
Emmanuel Taalam to follow?s=19Arrest of @OleItumbi is a strategy to divert attention from the La Mada meeting&plan.Was there a meeting?Did PS in charge of DCI say Ruto must be stopped Saitoti way?Who complained about assassination?And to who?The authenticity of the allegations is more important than a letter
— KIPCHUMBA MURKOMEN, E.G.H (@kipmurkomen) July 3, 2019
Murkomen is being dishonest. How can a fake letter's content be now the topic of discussion? If the letter is fake, then the content is fake. One cannot sell Coke in a fake bottle and tell me the content is genuine Coke.Itumbi ndani
Emmanuel Taalam to follow?s=19Arrest of @OleItumbi is a strategy to divert attention from the La Mada meeting&plan.Was there a meeting?Did PS in charge of DCI say Ruto must be stopped Saitoti way?Who complained about assassination?And to who?The authenticity of the allegations is more important than a letter
— KIPCHUMBA MURKOMEN, E.G.H (@kipmurkomen) July 3, 2019
Of course, it can bully and intimidate, but in this century; it cannot work politically. It worked last in MOi. Right now it produce the opposite effect.Well yeah, but Baba Yao doesn't seem to agree.. after the anticipatory bail magistrate got suspended and quit. Now dude is lying low like an envelope. State can bully you if it's determined. Jaguar 5 days in GK he looks 5 years older. Itumbi must be eating raw beans and soup with drunkards tonight. All Ruto crew can do is bark at funerals and twitter about autopilot - they got no say over GoK.
In Summary
This has thrown the party into confusion, with members saying time was running out for the party that is facing imminent death.
On Sunday, Dr Ruto added his voice to calls for the party to put its house in order.
The leaders have accused the party’s Secretary General Raphael Tuju of taking sides and working with Dr Ruto’s perceived enemies.
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President Kenyatta will not heed calls by Deputy President William Ruto and his allies to convene a Jubilee party meeting anytime soon.
State House spokesperson Kanze Dena Tuesday said President Kenyatta had said he was focused on the development agenda of his administration and not politics.
SUCCESSION
“The question on Jubilee meeting is political. And like my boss has said before, we are not going to delve into political issues,” said Ms Dena during a bi-weekly press briefing at State House.
“If, at all, the party calls a meeting, then it will happen,” said the head of Presidential Strategic Communication Unit (PSCU).
RV Pundit - why can't your Almighty Hustler chair a Jubilee meeting? I thought he controls the PG :)
I think the big cards are about to start getting played now. The shadow boxing will have to come to and end. We may enter MAD.RV Pundit - why can't your Almighty Hustler chair a Jubilee meeting? I thought he controls the PG :)
I suspect it would be a URP meeting - very bad optics for Ruto.
And half TNA will be gone with URP - leave Uhuru with a few kikuyu diehards. Very bad optics for Uhuru.I suspect it would be a URP meeting - very bad optics for Ruto.
So there are posh cells and hustler cells?
He was arrested for cooking the letter. Only way out is lack of evidence that he did it
5 days for Itumbi at Muthaiga. Look like he will spend the weekend at police cell. Such a shame considering DCI seem to have no case here.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Itumbi-to-spend-5-more-days-in-cell/1056-5183158-qx2dv9z/index.html
Poor Itumbi - he's tiny pawn with no stake in this Uhuruto dystopia - afathali hata Babu Yao. Basically Uhuru is hammering Tanga Tanga crew mercilessly. Seems even Kiunjuri is persona non grata now - going by Nyeri events juzi.
5 days for Itumbi at Muthaiga. Look like he will spend the weekend at police cell. Such a shame considering DCI seem to have no case here.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Itumbi-to-spend-5-more-days-in-cell/1056-5183158-qx2dv9z/index.html
Poor Itumbi - he's tiny pawn with no stake in this Uhuruto dystopia - afathali hata Babu Yao. Basically Uhuru is hammering Tanga Tanga crew mercilessly. Seems even Kiunjuri is persona non grata now - going by Nyeri events juzi.
Itumbi not very smart...he is the one who leaked uhuru cancer status. Leaked Raila, wentagula and matiagi gold heist then went ahead to leak Tuju-Nyanja phone call.
Am sure now they will cut a deal with him to secretly record DP. Sad ending for Itumbi beckons.
Unfortunately for him once out of favors with the powers that be now he has to reveal his sources which will most likely end with some few deaths here and there. Ruto assasination threat was real, matter that should not be taken lightly. 4 CS should be fired. However, I feel itumbi has provided uhuru with an easy escape route.
Itumbi is a journalist and that the perfect cover he uses to protect his sources.Honestly these are peripheral issues.We need the details of those tribal meetings.
Listen to the Tanga Tanga crew... democracy on trial :) - the new opposition
So there are posh cells and hustler cells?
He was arrested for cooking the letter. Only way out is lack of evidence that he did it
I also don't get how the spinning works in court. So long as the letter is fake and he is linked to it, he can produce fake or authentic tapes and it won't save him.
So there are posh cells and hustler cells?
He was arrested for cooking the letter. Only way out is lack of evidence that he did it
I also don't get how the spinning works in court. So long as the letter is fake and he is linked to it, he can produce fake or authentic tapes and it won't save him.
He will claim the evidence was destroyed. Ngoja uskie
Meanwhile I have no idea why Sudi,mukonmen are whining. Ruto is yet to record a statement so why should DCI follow up ghosts?
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I sense some regret in Ruto camp - it's not playing out well - the anti-Babu rant was meant to divert attention from this blunder. The longer the haggling with Gema rank and file CS's, PS's, etc - can't yield anything good for Ruto. I notice only Ichung'wa showed up from Gema to heckle the Itumbi arraignment - while the Kieleweke presser was a Gema affair.
He will claim the evidence was destroyed. Ngoja uskie
Meanwhile I have no idea why Sudi,mukonmen are whining. Ruto is yet to record a statement so why should DCI follow up ghosts?
The ultimate outcome of this "assassination" saga - is Ruto's alienation from Gema - while Kibicho and Jezebel smile all the way. We will recall La Mada as the Ruto waterloo.
Even Pundito who vouched for the letter is regretting..
Itumbi's 'my life is in danger' Trump card impressed nobody. That he is behind the forgery makes any other claim he may have suspected. Besides, nobody is stopping him from sharing the video
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I sense some regret in Ruto camp - it's not playing out well - the anti-Babu rant was meant to divert attention from this blunder. The longer the haggling with Gema rank and file CS's, PS's, etc - can't yield anything good for Ruto. I notice only Ichung'wa showed up from Gema to heckle the Itumbi arraignment - while the Kieleweke presser was a Gema affair.
Even Pundito who vouched for the letter is regretting..
Itumbi's 'my life is in danger' Trump card impressed nobody. That he is behind the forgery makes any other claim he may have suspect . Besides, nobody is stopping him from sharing the video
The ultimate outcome is civil servants retreating back to their office to do their work - of serving all kenyans - leaving Uhuru with Wambugu Ngunjiri who cannot sell the handshake. The kieleweke grp is stuck with about 5-10 gema mps - while the about 60 are firmly with Ruto. That is the problem.
Obviously if you focus on the big picture - La Mada - happened because Kibicho/Nancy are struggling to sell handshake and referendum through the official political space (jubilee party) - and ware trying kibaki era - push to use civil servants and prov admin.
Their mistake - they crossed the redline by talking reckless in a "secret meeting".Uhuru by now supposed to be out there in GEMA with Raila after Kibicho had softened the ground. That won't be happening.
These people - Kibicho - mucherus - are no longer a political asset - because of the rookie mistake they made. They've to retreat to corner offices and do their work - and Uhuru has to either come out to do the dirty work himself - or also bid time. The time that he doesn't have...because soon Kiunjuris will make their move...and push him out.
Those are lovely wishes.. so all this drama is to force Kibicho and Jezebel back into their dark corner. Yet they are so ineffective... why bother with them?Uhuru had GEMA.He lost it when he extended his hand to welcome the hated Raila.Now instead of retracing his steps he has tried to forcefully rump his ideas and Gema political & lait have simply refused to board.Nancy seem to have convinced Uhuru to try using civil servants and that is now playing out in a mess.Next Uhuru card.Does he risk taking the handshake to GEMA now or wait.We shall see.He is obviously looking for Ruto to trip and set up traps but Ruto is adept.
Uhuru doesn't need to sell Babu - he is just cornering Gema. After that he can trade them optimally. Your hustler must ask nicely - like Babu 60% - tough luck. Sio kumake deal na Nyoro - who is Sirma calibre - or Ichung'wa Magerer. Babu Yao ni Henry Kosgey :) This remix is not a new song.The ultimate outcome is civil servants retreating back to their office to do their work - of serving all kenyans - leaving Uhuru with Wambugu Ngunjiri who cannot sell the handshake. The kieleweke grp is stuck with about 5-10 gema mps - while the about 60 are firmly with Ruto. That is the problem.
Obviously if you focus on the big picture - La Mada - happened because Kibicho/Nancy are struggling to sell handshake and referendum through the official political space (jubilee party) - and ware trying kibaki era - push to use civil servants and prov admin.
Their mistake - they crossed the redline by talking reckless in a "secret meeting".Uhuru by now supposed to be out there in GEMA with Raila after Kibicho had softened the ground. That won't be happening.
These people - Kibicho - mucherus - are no longer a political asset - because of the rookie mistake they made. They've to retreat to corner offices and do their work - and Uhuru has to either come out to do the dirty work himself - or also bid time. The time that he doesn't have...because soon Kiunjuris will make their move...and push him out.
Uhuru had GEMA.He lost it when he extended his hand to welcome the hated Raila.Now instead of retracing his steps he has tried to forcefully rump his ideas and Gema political & lait have simply refused to board.Nancy seem to have convinced Uhuru to try using civil servants and that is now playing out in a mess.Next Uhuru card.Does he risk taking the handshake to GEMA now or wait.We shall see.He is obviously looking for Ruto to trip and set up traps but Ruto is adept.
Uhuru is one who ordered the investigation done. Ruto doesn't need to complain. Who is the complainant in Itumbi case?
He will claim the evidence was destroyed. Ngoja uskie
Meanwhile I have no idea why Sudi,mukonmen are whining. Ruto is yet to record a statement so why should DCI follow up ghosts?
Those are lovely wishes.. so all this drama is to force Kibicho and Jezebel back into their dark corner. Yet they are so ineffective... why bother with them?Uhuru had GEMA.He lost it when he extended his hand to welcome the hated Raila.Now instead of retracing his steps he has tried to forcefully rump his ideas and Gema political & lait have simply refused to board.Nancy seem to have convinced Uhuru to try using civil servants and that is now playing out in a mess.Next Uhuru card.Does he risk taking the handshake to GEMA now or wait.We shall see.He is obviously looking for Ruto to trip and set up traps but Ruto is adept.
Uhuru doesn't need to sell Babu - he is just cornering Gema. After that he can trade them optimally. Your hustler must ask nicely - like Babu 60% - tough luck. Sio kumake deal na Nyoro - who is Sirma calibre - or Ichung'wa Magerer. Babu Yao ni Henry Kosgey :) This remix is not a new song.The ultimate outcome is civil servants retreating back to their office to do their work - of serving all kenyans - leaving Uhuru with Wambugu Ngunjiri who cannot sell the handshake. The kieleweke grp is stuck with about 5-10 gema mps - while the about 60 are firmly with Ruto. That is the problem.
Obviously if you focus on the big picture - La Mada - happened because Kibicho/Nancy are struggling to sell handshake and referendum through the official political space (jubilee party) - and ware trying kibaki era - push to use civil servants and prov admin.
Their mistake - they crossed the redline by talking reckless in a "secret meeting".Uhuru by now supposed to be out there in GEMA with Raila after Kibicho had softened the ground. That won't be happening.
These people - Kibicho - mucherus - are no longer a political asset - because of the rookie mistake they made. They've to retreat to corner offices and do their work - and Uhuru has to either come out to do the dirty work himself - or also bid time. The time that he doesn't have...because soon Kiunjuris will make their move...and push him out.
Ruto got Gema psychophants - thru mlolongo fraud - not any mashinani popularity. Uhuru went Handshake so he can take on Ruto without messing GoK in parliament. I debunked the "Deep State" or Dark Forces Kibicho myth as a ploy played all over for centuries. It not even creative.. that a faceless Jezebel promote Matiang'i and order PSs, Css, DCI, DPP, and the shebang around - yawwwwn - hata Mama Ngina hawezi hio. Your shewolf is imaginary - Uhuru has simply said a firm No to your boy. Of course Ruto deserves it - after mlolongo - it exactly like Babu attempting to Lord it over Kalenjin after 07. He lined up all Magerers, Sirmas, Franklin Betts - made endless tours and speeches and tantrums - wapi! Kenya boil down to tribe - you pantented this concept :) - and now your boy ia facing a conundrum. You can't malign Gema with phony tapes - and win against their prince - how many Gema did you see at Itumbi arraignment? What happened to Moses Kuria? Wa Iria? Sabina? Waiguru? Were these not all Ruto damu a few months ago?
I have listed Gema names that have deserted Ruto - Moses Kuria, Sabina Chege, Mwangi wa Iria, Irungu Kang'ata, Ann Waiguru - so Ruto and Gema are not exactly where they were before.
Of course noone has quit Kieleweke.
Quite some names. Is any of them quiting to join Raila. Or just quiting to join "Uhuru". There has been enermous pressure, threats and inducement from Nancy-Kibicho gang but as you can see what they've harvested is handful. Kieleweke is still stuck where it was - Wambugu, Maoka, Wamuchoma, Kioni, Kigano and who else...Mary Kaguya..that is about it.For them to have any quorum they've to borrow Raila now handful mps from Luo community. That is kind of slippery slope. Now the rest of GEMA leaders are with Ruto. Don't even talk about rest of the country - where Ruto basically run the show.
Hence the desperation of using geeks like Mucheru :) to do politics in their villages.
It the height of desperation - Kibicho hardball - and Nancy political strategies - are falling apart.
Why would Uhuru risk - to join such a political camp.I have listed Gema names that have deserted Ruto - Moses Kuria, Sabina Chege, Mwangi wa Iria, Irungu Kang'ata, Ann Waiguru - so Ruto and Gema are not exactly where they were before.
Of course noone has quit Kieleweke.