When will they arrest those who looted SGR whose details you splashed here?
This handshake is doing wonders
This handshake is doing wonders
Yup. Besides the peace the war on corruption is the biggest payoff for ordinary folks. Many pigs will be thinking twice now before dipping the snout.
They have to be mindful of the politics. Grab and convict a big man from each of the big four or five political camps for political inoculation and you will get a lot of deterrence. Folks like Kidero have stolen billions and unless you freeze their assets, its going to be very difficult to convict them. A bail of 2 million for kidero is like pocket change. Top criminal lawyers in Kenya will make out like bandits. There legal fees are outrageous in the first place.This handshake is doing wonders
Yup. Besides the peace the war on corruption is the biggest payoff for ordinary folks. Many pigs will be thinking twice now before dipping the snout.
vooke & Kichwa, the prior lack of convictions has always been political. Uhuru & Haji aiming at all and sundry regardless of tribe is the innoculation needed.
When matiangi is arrested on ruaraka land scandal i will take this war seriuosly
vooke & Kichwa, the prior lack of convictions has always been political. Uhuru & Haji aiming at all and sundry regardless of tribe is the innoculation needed.
Yep yep. We have said here often that all it takes is political will. Pundit thinks it's Hajj. Nope! Tobiko would've done the same had Uhuru shown the same will before. I feel nothing for Kidero. Guy destroyed Mumias. I'd have forgiven the theft but not the destruction of Mumias. Like Trevor Noah says, steal with a plan yawa: functional corruption.
Methinks Uhuru wants to be Kagame 2.0. If he keeps this up, secures convictions, stops any more corruption in govt, maybe even gets some of the loot returned and finds a way to mildly improve the economic situation, Kenyans have had such a bad run and are tired enough that they might just stomach letting him take another shot under a new constitutional dispensation ala Moi in 2002. Especially if the alternative is Ruto.
When matiangi is arrested on ruaraka land scandal i will take this war seriuosly
When matiangi is arrested on ruaraka land scandal i will take this war seriuosly
vooke & Kichwa, the prior lack of convictions has always been political. Uhuru & Haji aiming at all and sundry regardless of tribe is the innoculation needed. When it all started Ruto claimed his "people" - mostly Kalenjin and Somali - were targeted. However he quickly turned like a coat :D when the public cheered UhuRao wildly. In short he is forced to publicly endorse a Handshake agenda while continuing to bribe MPs to rescue his crooks. Because he doesn't control the media Kenyans are linking the dots to him. Literally all tribes have a popular son in the dock now. There is also innoculation in the tribe of the key offices - Haji, Tobiko, Kinoti, etc - none are the big 4 which insulates them from attack. I was amazed to see Raila being accused of evicting Mau encroachers... with Tobiko barely mentioned :D
Uhuru has a win-win. If the corrupt sabotage his Big 4 Kenyans are already giving him kudos. If he wins it's the icing. Ruto has a lose-lose. If he is quiet his looting network is uprooted yet the bloodmoney is his primary appeal to his followers. If he fights he is exposed as the high priest of graft as we are seeing from Friday in Parliament. Already the debate has shifted to corruption which leaves him awkward with nothing to contribute. Ruto cannot say "integrity" with a straight face - it's not possible now to shed a few crocodile tears in church and get absolution.
Sadly it's not patriorism that drives Uhuru but self interest and preservation. It happens there is aligned interest between he and Raila Odinga: cuttting Ruto down to size.Sure, there are no saintly motives here at all. But why do you think he'd go to war with Ruto, and over a vice he or at least his close family are just as guilty of? I think Uhuru would take the risks he's taking only if he was aiming at a goal he deems much bigger and more important than a simple ego win against his deputy or 'legacy'. I think Uhuru is creating grounds for retaining power for himself for an additional 8/10 years after 2022.
I don't care about Uhuru - he's not Kagame. It's the collateral damage of the gang war that I'm cheering. The war on corruption is a political war on William Ruto.
From the discussion it looks like pork is a saint like fresh manufactured cotton woolNo one thinks kamwana is a saint. We are just glad there seems to be some attempt at tackling corruption, whatever the intent. I'm speculating on Uhuru's motives, and I think it's all about creating the groundswell he might need to retain power post 2022. Corruption is such an animal that if he makes a tangible improvement there he'll be positively received by many Kenyans who weren't expecting even that. Unfortunate but it's what happens when people have lost all hope for any improvement. Also, quite frankly there are many who are simply scared of a Ruto presidency, myself included.
PNU and ODM are ganging up against wsr. Nothing like anti corruption.
Sadly it's not patriorism that drives Uhuru but self interest and preservation. It happens there is aligned interest between he and Raila Odinga: cuttting Ruto down to size.Sure, there are no saintly motives here at all. But why do you think he'd go to war with Ruto, and over a vice he or at least his close family are just as guilty of? I think Uhuru would take the risks he's taking only if he was aiming at a goal he deems much bigger and more important than a simple ego win against his deputy or 'legacy'. I think Uhuru is creating grounds for retaining power for himself for an additional 8/10 years after 2022.
I don't care about Uhuru - he's not Kagame. It's the collateral damage of the gang war that I'm cheering. The war on corruption is a political war on William Ruto.
And then he wrapped his message with an ominous promise: “No matter how powerful you think you are, no matter how much money you have, it will not save you now.”
From the discussion it looks like pork and raila is a saint like fresh manufactured cotton wool
PNU and ODM are ganging up against wsr. Nothing like anti corruption.
No one thinks kamwana is a saint. We are just glad there seems to be some attempt at tackling corruption, whatever the intent. I'm speculating on Uhuru's motives, and I think it's all about creating the groundswell he might need to retain power post 2022. Corruption is such an animal that if he makes a tangible improvement there he'll be positively received by many Kenyans who weren't expecting even that. Unfortunate but it's what happens when people have lost all hope for any improvement. Also, quite frankly there are many who are simply scared of a Ruto presidency, myself included.
Ruto is the man to beat.the other games are too complicated to be pulled thro.Ruto will never be found in any graft coz he signs nothing
So long as he ends up with the money in his bank account then it can be traced to him. Its called "follow the money". Sooner or later he will he will have to explain how he got the money. He must be working with someone or some people who will one day flip on him and testify against him. Its just a matter of time. No one is invisible. He has gotten away with murder but nothing lasts forever.Ruto is the man to beat.the other games are too complicated to be pulled thro.Ruto will never be found in any graft coz he signs nothing
The biggest scandal in kenya is the complete mismanagement of kenya finances. Its the reason why Kenya is now under IMF structural adjustment program. Jubilee government starting with uhuru should resign and get adults to fix the problem. Its absolutely pathetic that Jubilee inherited a robust economy with a growing private sector and 5yrs later we're in IMF programs. For uhuru to imagine that he can extend his rule its ridiculous. Why would Kenyans want to extend their economic misery?Where were you when Kenyans tried to end their economic misery and were introduced to Msandoism, Baby Moraaism, Supreme Court intimidation and betrayal by Western powers, and the whole time cheered by tribesmembers of the Jubilee leadership? Where were you when huge swathes of the population were getting ready to secede? Kenyans are tired. Their fighters are tired. At this point, a course correction will be gladly welcomed even if the person correcting created the mess to begin with. We saw Ruto supporters salivating over the prospect not just of looting, which we are used to, but much worse: the ruthless crushing of dissent and the hope to return Kenya to the pre-90s Nyayo chambers era. To a person like me, an incompetent kamwana trying at last to do something for selfish purposes is better than a Ruto+friends who just can't wait to star in the role of a 1900s era 'African dictator'.
I think the purge is good but containing Ruto means Uhuru’s side gets to walk. Why should Wamajuu roam free while Kidero is being terrorized?
Ruto's too clever to be caught nor is that the intent. The loot will be confiscated and his tumbocrats will abandon him. He will be denied the Jubilee ticket and form another Kalenjin party. In the very slim chance he becomes president it will be a coalition with Raila or GEMA not the Kanu 2.0 looting machine he attempted to create with himself as Nyayo.
Where were you when Kenyans tried to end their economic misery and were introduced to Msandoism, Baby Moraaism, Supreme Court intimidation and betrayal by Western powers, and the whole time cheered by tribesmembers of the Jubilee leadership? Where were you when huge swathes of the population were getting ready to secede? Kenyans are tired. Their fighters are tired. At this point, a course correction will be gladly welcomed even if the person correcting created the mess to begin with. We saw Ruto supporters salivating over the prospect not just of looting, which we are used to, but much worse: the ruthless crushing of dissent and the hope to return Kenya to the pre-90s Nyayo chambers era. To a person like me, an incompetent kamwana trying at last to do something for selfish purposes is better than a Ruto+friends who just can't wait to star in the role of a 1900s era 'African dictator'.Does that absolve uhuru?. Economic misery started kicking in when private sector growth and credit started decelerating around late 2016 and early 2017. Corruption in kenya starts with budget allocation. The budget and management office is under office of the president. Uhuru is more culpable than Ruto in the mismanagement of Kenya finances. So if government is fighting corruption it should start with office of president, roads and infrastructure and finally Health.
It does not. And no one will ever absolve him or his family, especially us NASA folk. But, do you, HK, believe Ruto will do better as president? With the looting or political space and cohesion? If indications from his supporters last year are mildly credible, Ruto intends to rule with an iron fist like the 90s never happened. This was proudly announced here and I don't think those sentiments are from nowhere. I already know incompetent kamwana isn't trying to become a 70s era dictator. I actually don't care abt Ruto's looting (personally) so much as these things that were hinted at abt scaling back the expanded political space.Where were you when Kenyans tried to end their economic misery and were introduced to Msandoism, Baby Moraaism, Supreme Court intimidation and betrayal by Western powers, and the whole time cheered by tribesmembers of the Jubilee leadership? Where were you when huge swathes of the population were getting ready to secede? Kenyans are tired. Their fighters are tired. At this point, a course correction will be gladly welcomed even if the person correcting created the mess to begin with. We saw Ruto supporters salivating over the prospect not just of looting, which we are used to, but much worse: the ruthless crushing of dissent and the hope to return Kenya to the pre-90s Nyayo chambers era. To a person like me, an incompetent kamwana trying at last to do something for selfish purposes is better than a Ruto+friends who just can't wait to star in the role of a 1900s era 'African dictator'.Does that absolve uhuru?. Economic misery started kicking in when private sector growth and credit started decelerating around late 2016 and early 2017. Corruption in kenya starts with budget allocation. The budget and management office is under office of the president. Uhuru is more culpable than Ruto in the mismanagement of Kenya finances. So if government is fighting corruption it should start with office of president, roads and infrastructure and finally Health.
You're given to imagination and creativity - there is really no real war against the graft. The purge against graft is good - but don't get carried away - Moi use to do this in 90s and looting would resume. The failure to arrest Matiangi for me is enough signal Uhuru is not going to whole hog.
That settles...Uhuru may entertain the ideas by PUTIN - of extending his rule - but I doubt he has the stomach for long drawn political war. He really has no fire in the belly and will take Ruto offer of him lazying around while still being respected as elder stateman or Jubilee Supreme Leader - that whack ideas where Uhuru takes Duale role and deals with MPIGS.
Some of the crazy ideas you guys here entertain are just laughable. The man to beat remain WILLIAM RUTO. He is running alone.Ruto's too clever to be caught nor is that the intent. The loot will be confiscated and his tumbocrats will abandon him. He will be denied the Jubilee ticket and form another Kalenjin party. In the very slim chance he becomes president it will be a coalition with Raila or GEMA not the Kanu 2.0 looting machine he attempted to create with himself as Nyayo.
How is Raila a threat when thanks to the habdshake he has lost all but Luo nyanza.Some jokes.Raila has been neutured and now depend on Uhuru goodwill.And when time comes Uhuru will do the necessary and endorse Ruto leaving Raila high and dry.He wont be able to ran to NASA.
When you see Sonko pushing the corruption cause (Subaru, Lavington), you know the deputy the assistant emperor has been left naked and friends have been lost.
Pundit could you run a quick MOAS - how's Ruto faring in GEMA, Maa and Gusii? Is he trending towards 45% yet :)
Thanks to Handshake Kenyans are now focused on corruption - a weak point for your boy.
When you start dealing with facts like I do you'll realize that 1) PUTIN ideas of Uhuru extending his term are still-born 2) Raila intend to ran in 2022 however weakened 3) It will be in Uhuru & GEMA best interest to back Ruto - and finally Ruto will win by around 60% - all factors considered. Raila position has weaken so much I don't see him bridging 20% in 2022...he'll be luckly to have any support outside Luo-Nyanza by then.Pundit could you run a quick MOAS - how's Ruto faring in GEMA, Maa and Gusii? Is he trending towards 45% yet :)
Thanks to Handshake Kenyans are now focused on corruption - a weak point for your boy.
I almost agree on all 3 points but
1) Yes PUTIN is stillborn. Handshake & corruption purge is just a strategy to increase Uhuru leverage over Ruto and not back him blindly like you wish.
2) Yes Raila intends to run - no surprise - he is being propped up by Uhuru to undercut Ruto in non-GEMA and give GEMA an option if Ruto doesn't play ball.
3) No, you deliberately conflate Ruto and GEMA's interests, they are totally distinct and misaligned at present. It will be in Uhuru & GEMA's best interest to settle for the best deal available.
Jubilee is more divided than NASA - it has split into two camps. Ruto has lost his biggest ally Uhuru - I don't see how that gives him 60% - those are just your wishes.
When you start dealing with facts like I do you'll realize that 1) PUTIN ideas of Uhuru extending his term are still-born 2) Raila intend to ran in 2022 however weakened 3) It will be in Uhuru & GEMA best interest to back Ruto - and finally Ruto will win by around 60% - all factors considered. Raila position has weaken so much I don't see him bridging 20% in 2022...he'll be luckly to have any support outside Luo-Nyanza by then.Pundit could you run a quick MOAS - how's Ruto faring in GEMA, Maa and Gusii? Is he trending towards 45% yet :)
Thanks to Handshake Kenyans are now focused on corruption - a weak point for your boy.
Ruto is gentleman who doesn't need arm-twisting to do the right thing. Uhuru and GEMA are assured of DPORK & 50-50.What option does Uhuru & GEMA have in in 2022. Uhuru won't be allowed to continue as PORK. PM (of any nature) will be demeaning to his stature and even that won't be shoe-in. A Jubilee fallout will only mean both Uhuru and Ruto are the ultimate losers...and Raila will gain. I don't see that happening. Raila is trying ideas that worked in 2002 :) and obviously his game is so transparent it laughable...as watching Kalonzo Musyoka.
I think Uhuru is just flexing his muscle so he doesn't become lame-duck early. He want to enjoy his 5yrs of PORK, hand over to Ruto (least path of resistance), pick a surrogate DPORK and continue as influential Jubilee party leader who will be consulted once in a while in party matters.
Raila obviously will never rest until he his pork, his chance are getting worse by day, Ruto is running circles around him many areas and Uhuru is obviously playing him for a fool - and will leave him high-dry once the mission is accomplished. Kalonzo as always is patiently waiting for Raila to drop dead so he can pick him. Delusional MaDVD is like Gideon Moi waiting for some miracles that will thrust them to the front.
All in all - I don't see Jubilee breaking up .I almost agree on all 3 points but
1) Yes PUTIN is stillborn. Handshake & corruption purge is just a strategy to increase Uhuru leverage over Ruto and not back him blindly like you wish.
2) Yes Raila intends to run - no surprise - he is being propped up by Uhuru to undercut Ruto in non-GEMA and give GEMA an option if Ruto doesn't play ball.
3) No, you deliberately conflate Ruto and GEMA's interests, they are totally distinct and misaligned at present. It will be in Uhuru & GEMA's best interest to settle for the best deal available.
Jubilee is more divided than NASA - it has split into two camps. Ruto has lost his biggest ally Uhuru - I don't see how that gives him 60% - those are just your wishes.
"Ruto is a trustworthy gentleman" - this is laughable coming from you. How do you know that - has he ever been PORK? If Uhuru and Ruto trust each other so much why are they fighting? Unless you mean Uhurutopia is kosher which it is evidently not. This is not about flexing muscle. Ruto would like to be the only option which is bad for Uhuru, Raila and Kenya. That is the source of the fight.
Nobody can win or govern without support of others. That reality. Ruto will need GEMA to win and even more to govern. I think only big business remaining for Ruto to seal the deal is for Uhuru to pick a DPORK to take care of his interest."Ruto is a trustworthy gentleman" - this is laughable coming from you. How do you know that - has he ever been PORK? If Uhuru and Ruto trust each other so much why are they fighting? Unless you mean Uhurutopia is kosher which it is evidently not. This is not about flexing muscle. Ruto would like to be the only option which is bad for Uhuru, Raila and Kenya. That is the source of the fight.
Should we assume the laser-focus on Ruto is also on "orders from above?"
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/08/15/kot-blast-sonko-after-orders-for-waititu-wifes-release_c1803246
"Sonko further alleges that the directive is from above, implying that President Uhuru Kenyatta is controlling the ongoing crackdown on illegal buildings."
Nobody can win or govern without support of others. That reality. Ruto will need GEMA to win and even more to govern. I think only big business remaining for Ruto to seal the deal is for Uhuru to pick a DPORK to take care of his interest."Ruto is a trustworthy gentleman" - this is laughable coming from you. How do you know that - has he ever been PORK? If Uhuru and Ruto trust each other so much why are they fighting? Unless you mean Uhurutopia is kosher which it is evidently not. This is not about flexing muscle. Ruto would like to be the only option which is bad for Uhuru, Raila and Kenya. That is the source of the fight.
Pundit is the translation accurate? He seems to be saying so much more.& we were told he's born again!? pic.twitter.com/LIV3OsOT9j
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