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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on February 06, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
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SpaceX has changed my mind about Elon Musk. I think he is going places. Not so with Tesla nor his solar panels. I’ll watch his Roadster thrust into outer space or crash and burn as he put it
http://www.spacex.com/webcast
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He's got it right for Low Earth Orbit operations. Colonization on the other hand, he is too optimistic. There is simply no reason anyone would want to live on another planet. Antarctica can barely attract humans. Even cataclysmic climate change, nuclear war name it, leaves earth by far the only candidate for human settlement in the vicinity.
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Pastor is this a question?? Falcon Heavy is a big precursor towards the BFR - which will make it to Mars by 2022. This is doable Windy's doubts notwithstanding.
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Pastor is this a question?? Falcon Heavy is a big precursor towards the BRF - which will make it to Mars by 2022. This is doable Windy's doubts notwithstanding.
I don't doubt that people can reach Mars. I doubt that they will colonize it. There is no reason for that.
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Pastor is this a question?? Falcon Heavy is a big precursor towards the BRF - which will make it to Mars by 2022. This is doable Windy's doubts notwithstanding.
I don't doubt that people can reach Mars. I doubt that they will colonize it. There is no reason for that.
The plan is to do just that - complete with project plans - timelines, resources, manpower, name it. This will include the ITS - interplanetary transport system. Once Mars is done, folks will be on to the rest.
This is a movement. #OCCUPYMARS
(https://sep.yimg.com/ay/nasa/occupy-mars-mug-14.png)(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e6/b9/42/e6b9429a0be493d771199c5978a72f68.jpg)
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The excitement for me is feasibility. Big things don't always come by necessity. It's insufferably disappointing that "space" is just stuff for satellite imagery on NatGeo.
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Termie your thought ps mirror mine.
I can see fascination with trips, but a colony?
Not in a million years
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Just felt like I came from watching Shawshank Redemption right there
(https://s10.postimg.org/bt07im521/B6_A9208_F-19_A1-4343-_A3_A7-4417_A31_AE90_F.jpg)
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The excitement for me is feasibility. Big things don't always come by necessity. It's insufferably disappointing that "space" is just stuff for satellite imagery on NatGeo.
If it wasn't communications and things like GPS, I bet even Lower Earth Orbit operations would have gone the way of moon landings. After the moon race ended, the Americans had simply dropped it. There was nothing to be gained apart from bragging rights by sending people there.
I see a greater future for robotic craft, and mining small bodies like asteroids which are not massive gravity wells.
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Starman views.
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Starman views.
Thanks.
Amazing PR stunt for Tesla.
The only thing that tickled me was the suspense and anxiety of the launch. Fireball or Roadster in space? Then the synchronized landing of the rockets. The images were out of this world.
What happened to the core rocket that was supposed to land in the ocean? It went South?
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Starman views.
Thanks.
Amazing PR stunt for Tesla.
The only thing that tickled me was the suspense and anxiety of the launch. Fireball or Roadster in space? Then the synchronized landing of the rockets. The images were out of this world.
What happened to the core rocket that was supposed to land in the ocean? It went South?
I don't know about the core. I am assuming it also landed - the same technical challenge as the other two.
This whole thing of boosters and fuel taking up humongous weight, is one reason I have not much faith in colonization. It's a bit like carrying the entire weight of your home in fuel just to make a short trip for one person to the store.
If that changes, maybe some fusion, anti-matter or similarly efficient engines are a reality, then the colonization might become realistic. It cannot happen on Elon Musk caveman technology :D.
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Windy - fusion and anti-matter are good ideas. Past orbit, outer space is free flow - no need for massive anti-gravity combustion except what is necessary to wheeze through the vacuum at light speed.
Fusion - of liquid water? Nuclear kind of fusion is unsafe at present. People have to operate nuclear plants in iron suits.
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Windy - fusion and anti-matter are good ideas. Past orbit, outer space is free flow - no need for massive anti-gravity combustion except what is necessary to wheeze through the vacuum at light speed.
Fusion - of liquid water? Nuclear kind of fusion is unsafe at present. People have to operate nuclear plants in iron suits.
It's free flow. But you are reduced to more or less one velocity and relying on other bodies to change it. Imagine if a plane needed to hit a large bird every time it needs to change direction. All sort of ramifications for travel and the modern economy.
If one can figure out how to get fuel from already abundant resources in the universe, it's not long before you'd have families taking trips on space RVs.
Space elevators might come before those other fancy engines though.
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Starman views.
My flat earther friend reckons this too is a fake....
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SpaceX has changed my mind about Elon Musk. I think he is going places. Not so with Tesla nor his solar panels. I’ll watch his Roadster thrust into outer space or crash and burn as he put it
http://www.spacex.com/webcast
Pastor you're being too harsh on Elon. The chap cracked the battery powered car after many failed to do it. His massive battery in Australia worked as planned a few weeks ago.
In my view he's already an over achiever here on earth....
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vooke - This is why I told you Musk is a marketing guru.. folks at the earnings calls were giving him thumbs up over the flying stunk despite poor financial results.
Tesla faces a critical year, but Elon Musk is obsessed with the future
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16990730/tesla-earnings-2017-elon-musk (https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16990730/tesla-earnings-2017-elon-musk)
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But Tesla is a study in highs and lows. In contrast, for the first call of 2018, he was effusive, and returned to making bold predictions: Tesla might produce 100,000 of its all-electric semi trucks per year in just four years, and the big rig may even exceed the technical specs already shared; Tesla will manufacture 1 million vehicles per year by 2020; Tesla may produce the upcoming Model Y crossover SUV for half the cost of its Model 3 program.
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That this delay wasn’t mentioned on the conference call was emblematic of how the congratulatory atmosphere allowed key issues at Tesla to go undiscussed. When Musk did talk about what’s ahead in 2018 for Tesla, he still spoke in broad terms. For example, he said the company will finally attempt its coast-to-coast self-driving stunt in the next three to six months, and that it will roll out updates to its Autopilot software that he says should let customers do the same thing — though he made the same promise a year ago.
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Starman views.
My flat earther friend reckons this too is a fake....
Are you kidding?
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SpaceX has changed my mind about Elon Musk. I think he is going places. Not so with Tesla nor his solar panels. I’ll watch his Roadster thrust into outer space or crash and burn as he put it
http://www.spacex.com/webcast
Pastor you're being too harsh on Elon. The chap cracked the battery powered car after many failed to do it. His massive battery in Australia worked as planned a few weeks ago.
In my view he's already an over achiever here on earth....
No sir,
Tesla has nothing on the next EC or autonomous vehicles whether they be from Alphabet,BMW or GM.
Elon Musk mark, if at all, will be in Space
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vooke - This is why I told you Musk is a marketing guru.. folks at the earnings calls were giving him thumbs up over the flying stunk despite poor financial results.
Tesla faces a critical year, but Elon Musk is obsessed with the future
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16990730/tesla-earnings-2017-elon-musk (https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16990730/tesla-earnings-2017-elon-musk)
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But Tesla is a study in highs and lows. In contrast, for the first call of 2018, he was effusive, and returned to making bold predictions: Tesla might produce 100,000 of its all-electric semi trucks per year in just four years, and the big rig may even exceed the technical specs already shared; Tesla will manufacture 1 million vehicles per year by 2020; Tesla may produce the upcoming Model Y crossover SUV for half the cost of its Model 3 program.
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That this delay wasn’t mentioned on the conference call was emblematic of how the congratulatory atmosphere allowed key issues at Tesla to go undiscussed. When Musk did talk about what’s ahead in 2018 for Tesla, he still spoke in broad terms. For example, he said the company will finally attempt its coast-to-coast self-driving stunt in the next three to six months, and that it will roll out updates to its Autopilot software that he says should let customers do the same thing — though he made the same promise a year ago.
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Robina,
He is running out of luck,and you can’t fool the market indefinitely
The ambiguous manufacturing hitches are just kicking the can further. Musk will unravel
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SpaceX has changed my mind about Elon Musk. I think he is going places. Not so with Tesla nor his solar panels. I’ll watch his Roadster thrust into outer space or crash and burn as he put it
http://www.spacex.com/webcast
Pastor you're being too harsh on Elon. The chap cracked the battery powered car after many failed to do it. His massive battery in Australia worked as planned a few weeks ago.
In my view he's already an over achiever here on earth....
No sir,
Tesla has nothing on the next EC or autonomous vehicles whether they be from Alphabet,BMW or GM.
Elon Musk mark, if at all, will be in Space
He was still first on the market... that counts for something..
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Uber has plans --
This is Uber’s plan to deliver on flying ‘cars’
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/10/uber-flying-cars/ (https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/10/uber-flying-cars/)
(https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/uber-elevate-evtol-common-reference-model.png?w=328&h=186&crop=1&zoom=2)(https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/uber-elevate.png?w=1024&h=666)
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Take a look at the production version of the PAL-V Liberty flying car
(https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/pal-v-flying-car-dscf0344.jpg?w=738)
https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/06/take-a-look-at-the-production-version-of-the-pal-v-liberty-flying-car/ (https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/06/take-a-look-at-the-production-version-of-the-pal-v-liberty-flying-car/)
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You’ll still need a pilot’s license to fly the PAL-V Liberty, and it needs a small airfield or airstrip to take off and land. It converts from flying to driving mode and vice versa in between five to 10 minutes, however, so as long as you have the room it won’t take you long to go between modes.
Pricing for the PAL-V starts at $400,000, so aside from being qualified you’ll also need considerable bank to participate. The company hopes to be able to begin handing over keys to its first pre-order customers in 2019, once all its certifications are complete.
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Robina,
I watched the thing flying and I was not too impressed. But it’s good stuff
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Take a look at the production version of the PAL-V Liberty flying car
(https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/pal-v-flying-car-dscf0344.jpg?w=738)
https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/06/take-a-look-at-the-production-version-of-the-pal-v-liberty-flying-car/ (https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/06/take-a-look-at-the-production-version-of-the-pal-v-liberty-flying-car/)
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You’ll still need a pilot’s license to fly the PAL-V Liberty, and it needs a small airfield or airstrip to take off and land. It converts from flying to driving mode and vice versa in between five to 10 minutes, however, so as long as you have the room it won’t take you long to go between modes.
Pricing for the PAL-V starts at $400,000, so aside from being qualified you’ll also need considerable bank to participate. The company hopes to be able to begin handing over keys to its first pre-order customers in 2019, once all its certifications are complete.
This looks like the latest incarnation of the Aerocar. It's a bad idea.
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bitmask & Pastor vooke - boats have been sailing and flying for ages - time we had a ubiquitous pod - for fly, sail, drive, dock in space, etc.
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bitmask & Pastor vooke - boats have been sailing and flying for ages - time we had a ubiquitous pod - for fly, sail, drive, dock in space, etc.
The showstopper for me is the idea of taking it to a runway before it can fly. I mean, even a helicoper fitted with a juakali four stroke engine seems a better deal :D. You can at least park it in a helipad in the back yard.