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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: 804063 on January 31, 2018, 09:12:45 AM
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Nasa as a coalition broke up yesterday at Uhuru Park.
Not even its Deputy President Kalonzo deemed the swearing in Ceremony relevant thus turning the event into a Luo Nyanza Presidential affair. MDVD and Weta went AWOL yesterday.
:D :D :D :D :D
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They now Raila is going to defend his presidency in 2022 and yet all are hoping Raila can tosha them for 2022. The other option Jubilee has it's line up set till 2040 maybe?
Nasa as a coalition broke up yesterday at Uhuru Park.
Not even its Deputy President Kalonzo deemed the swearing in Ceremony relevant thus turning the event into a Luo Nyanza Presidential affair. MDVD and Weta went AWOL yesterday.
:D :D :D :D :D
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Baba is smart
Even in the face of betrayal he stood by his traitors knowing well that he needs them
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Baba is smart
Even in the face of betrayal he stood by his traitors knowing well that he needs them
Baba needs his traitors more than his traitors need him :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Pundito. You clearly did not get the Jubilee memo. They have the line up for 100 years. All the kalenjin need to decide is whether it will stay in the Ruto family or the Moi family during the kalenjin turn. I think the kikuyus will stick with the Kenyatta family for now. During that 100 years, the other tribes will just be sitting on the sidelines waiting patiently or scared to death of the mighty Kalenjin/kikuyu tribe.
They now Raila is going to defend his presidency in 2022 and yet all are hoping Raila can tosha them for 2022. The other option Jubilee has it's line up set till 2040 maybe?
Nasa as a coalition broke up yesterday at Uhuru Park.
Not even its Deputy President Kalonzo deemed the swearing in Ceremony relevant thus turning the event into a Luo Nyanza Presidential affair. MDVD and Weta went AWOL yesterday.
:D :D :D :D :D
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Doesn't sound as horrible as M7 planning to hang on forever and then when he dies hand over to the son.Life is not fair son.
Pundito. You clearly did not get the Jubilee memo. They have the line up for 100 years. All the kalenjin need to decide is whether it will stay in the Ruto family or the Moi family during the kalenjin turn. I think the kikuyus will stick with the Kenyatta family for now. During that 100 years, the other tribes will just be sitting on the sidelines waiting patiently or scared to death of the mighty Kalenjin/kikuyu tribe.
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Doesn't sound as horrible as M7 planning to hang on forever and then when he dies hand over to the son.Life is not fair son.
Pundito. You clearly did not get the Jubilee memo. They have the line up for 100 years. All the kalenjin need to decide is whether it will stay in the Ruto family or the Moi family during the kalenjin turn. I think the kikuyus will stick with the Kenyatta family for now. During that 100 years, the other tribes will just be sitting on the sidelines waiting patiently or scared to death of the mighty Kalenjin/kikuyu tribe.
Kichwa.
As long as the Mountain and Rift Valley nations are united the rest of Kenyan Nations should forget the Presidency, that is if democracy as taught by Aristotle ( majority rules) stays and continues to be the best of the worst type of Governance :( :( :( :( :( :(
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NASA essentially ended with swearing in. The Luo/Raila/ODM group are now on their own. Kalonzo and MaDVD who were salivating for Raila constituency having to now fend for themselves..they betrayed Raila at the most inopportune time and in front of his supporters. Like they say don't go to war with cowards.
So 2022 contest will still feature the old senile Raila running against heavy favourite Ruto with flower girls Kalonzo, MaDVD,Wetangula,Gideon Moi,Mutua & others doing their thing.
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Indeed. There are wishes and then there is reality. No nobel for predicting 2022. Politics is like the weather, global warming, etc - uncontrollables that should remain detached. Personally i view it like MotoGP, Superbike or Runaways. Comics and sport.
NASA essentially ended with swearing in. The Luo/Raila/ODM group are now on their own. Kalonzo and MaDVD who were salivating for Raila constituency having to now fend for themselves..they betrayed Raila at the most inopportune time and in front of his supporters. Like they say don't go to war with cowards.
So 2022 contest will still feature the old senile Raila running against heavy favourite Ruto with flower girls Kalonzo, MaDVD,Wetangula,Gideon Moi,Mutua & others doing their thing.
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Seem Raila pulled a rabit out of his bag - got away with murder again (promise to support Kalonzo) - by slicing the 3 other 'principal' - and we shall see Raila-Joho coalition in 2022?
Indeed. There are wishes and then there is reality. No nobel for predicting 2022. Politics is like the weather, global warming, etc - uncontrollables that should remain detached. Personally i view it like MotoGP, Superbike or Runaways. Comics and sport.
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Hehehe. Nobody ever believed that not even Kalonzo himself. ODM is already NDP+Mijikenda. 2022 is 2002 - with Jubilee as NARC - while ODM, Wiper, Chap Chap score <20% like 2002 Kanu, Nyachae Ford-P, Orengo SDP, etc. We are back to big ruling party and fractured opposition. Until 2040? The wheel turns, nothing ever changes.
Seem Raila pulled a rabit out of his bag - got away with murder again (promise to support Kalonzo) - by slicing the 3 other 'principal' - and we shall see Raila-Joho coalition in 2022?
Indeed. There are wishes and then there is reality. No nobel for predicting 2022. Politics is like the weather, global warming, etc - uncontrollables that should remain detached. Personally i view it like MotoGP, Superbike or Runaways. Comics and sport.
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On the contrary. The weak bastards delivered the expected, bucketloads of cowardice. The People have written the cowards off and NASA is stronger for it. Miguna's powerful press conference today has the despotic duo shaking. The no-shows have made the handing over of the NASA baton very easy, and we witnessed it on Tuesday.
Jubilee met it's waterloo on the 30th January 2018. Jubilee is finished, they've reverted to type, extreme dictatorship, "crackdowns", crimes of "subversion" and dodgy arrests.
Na bado 001 has not been sworn in yet...
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bryan seriously is there a NASA coalition minus the 3 dissenting principals?
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NASA may have started as coalition between political parties but it has since morphed into a movement which is no longer controlled by the original signatories. I told folks long time ago that its not about individuals anymore. You can literally shoot Raila today in broad daylight, bury him in a week but NASA will continue stronger and more fierce. Raila realized this when he postponed the first swearing in because he is a good reader of the people than Mdvd, Kalonzo and Weta. Revolutions are like water flowing in a certain direction and the worst thing you can do is try to swim against the flow. If you hang-out in the jubilee circles then you have no idea what's going on in NASA. Even Raila is trying to keep up. Ouru should have talked to Raila because the new face of NASA will be too radical to talk to. You have to realize that the majority of NASA is made up of young people who are much more radical and the only person who can control them is Raila. It is therefore stupid for Ouru to ignore the only person he can reason with. There is going to be a time when the opportunity to talk will be over. Also, Ouru should not rely too much in the military and the security organs. Once you give the military the guns to go out and suppress the people, then you will realize that they too have their own agenda which may not include yours. The military has factions too and may engage in power struggle immediately they are out of the barracks. They may decide to side with the people.
bryan seriously is there a NASA coalition minus the 3 dissenting principals?
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Kichwa I hope you don't believe NASA has any say in Kitui without Kalonzo. Vihiga maybe. I agree about radical youth -
the ones who blocked the re-run in 29 constituencies. That's 10% of Kenya aka the Luo. That's the thing about coalitions - only the core are willing to sacrifice. In opposition Jubilee would crumble equally but today it's Odinga's cross.
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Kichwa I hope you don't believe NASA has any say in Kitui without Kalonzo. Vihiga maybe. I agree about radical youth -
the ones who blocked the re-run in 29 constituencies. That's 10% of Kenya aka the Luo. That's the thing about coalitions - only the core are willing to sacrifice. In opposition Jubilee would crumble equally but today it's Odinga's cross.
Robina,
As Kichwa said we have now gone beyond tribal enclaves and chiefs within NASA. The power is now squarely with the people. Any leader that falls out of line is on their own. Ask Ababu... and today both Mudavadi and Kalonzo.
The video above serves as a good summary of the general feelings. Right now it's only baba that is defending the cowards. NASA have moved on and the heir will come from those that were at Uhuru park. Baba knows this. The swearing in ceremony is proof of people power as it was people driven.
Kalonzo is finished... there's another of ANC guys stating they are part of NASA and were at Uhuru Park unlike the cowards.
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bryan275 and Kichwa.
I always don't understand why NASA always claim to represent the people as if the whole of Kenya is Naswad.
As you do not trust IEBC Registration of Voters nos. i think you should check the MCAs , MPS, Senators and Governors nos. for an indication where majority of Kenyans align to.
If you are not convinced yet check the latest Census figures or even go to Kamiti Prison or City Mortuary where rigging is not a norm, and count the residents.
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bryan275 and Kichwa.
I always don't understand why NASA always claim to represent the people as if the whole of Kenya is Naswad.
As you do not trust IEBC Registration of Voters nos. i think you should check the MCAs , MPS, Senators and Governors nos. for an indication where majority of Kenyans align to.
If you are not convinced yet check the latest Census figures or even go to Kamiti Prison or City Mortuary where rigging is not a norm, and count the residents.
Even Jubilee-leaning independent MPs are more than NASA's. They are not bothered by logic. Windy will tell you the victory is in the servers even though that has been rebutted severally right here. Another "logic" is that anyone who did not show up on 26th voted Raila :o
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Their maths is simple. 2 tribes against 40 tribes. Conclusion - no way Uhuru can win therefore Raila won. Don't let facts get into the way.
bryan275 and Kichwa.
I always don't understand why NASA always claim to represent the people as if the whole of Kenya is Naswad.
As you do not trust IEBC Registration of Voters nos. i think you should check the MCAs , MPS, Senators and Governors nos. for an indication where majority of Kenyans align to.
If you are not convinced yet check the latest Census figures or even go to Kamiti Prison or City Mortuary where rigging is not a norm, and count the residents.
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bryan275 and Kichwa.
I always don't understand why NASA always claim to represent the people as if the whole of Kenya is Naswad.
As you do not trust IEBC Registration of Voters nos. i think you should check the MCAs , MPS, Senators and Governors nos. for an indication where majority of Kenyans align to.
If you are not convinced yet check the latest Census figures or even go to Kamiti Prison or City Mortuary where rigging is not a norm, and count the residents.
Even Jubilee-leaning independent MPs are more than NASA's. They are not bothered by logic. Windy will tell you the victory is in the servers even though that has been rebutted severally right here. Another "logic" is that anyone who did not show up on 26th voted Raila :o
If kamwana wins August 8th and IEBC has nothing to hide, they would have bared everything. More specifically KIMS kit data for each polling station. That if they had something to hide, and they did, it was not because their declaration was supported by the data. That hasn’t been rebutted.
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Only in your mind. IEBC gave read- only logs of all the results from the server - both FTP server server with images and database server with Key-in & transmitted resutls. Nobody has come out dispute the results - just that they'd have like to log into the server themselves, click copy and paste to their disk :D .
This is what IEBC shared 1) digital key in data from every KIMS kit 2) scanned copies of form 34s AS 3)paper copies of the same forms 4) the ballot boxes and papers are there.
When you talk about opening the server? What exactly do you want?
1) Key-in data -aka -statistics - transmitted by KIEMS kit
2) Images of form 34As?
As far as hacking goes - IEBC servers were never hacked - the server was somewhere in France and France guys have done audit that declare the server clean. Morpho is not some backstreet company in Paris but tech company owned by France GoK.
When you say the server has raila win - what exactly is that -? a dancing gif written "Raila won". I mean you expect political class to make these self-serving statements but for someone supposedly intelligent just parrot them like unthinking moron is new one.
Again what exactly do you want in the server :) which are still safely kept in France.
NASA already used the logs they got from IEBCs Servers to commit forgery and attempt to pass that as narrow win by Raila :D :D The real server results showed Raila lost by 1.5M votes and lost everywhere else - MCAs, MPS, County Women Mps, Senators and Governors. Total rout.
That hasn’t been rebutted.
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Only in your mind. IEBC gave read- only logs of all the results from the server - both FTP server server with images and database server with Key-in & transmitted resutls. Nobody has come out dispute the results - just that they'd have like to log into the server themselves, click copy and paste to their disk :D .
This is what IEBC shared 1) digital key in data from every KIMS kit 2) scanned copies of form 34s AS 3)paper copies of the same forms 4) the ballot boxes and papers are there.
When you talk about opening the server? What exactly do you want?
1) Key-in data -aka -statistics - transmitted by KIEMS kit
2) Images of form 34As?
As far as hacking goes - IEBC servers were never hacked - the server was somewhere in France and France guys have done audit that declare the server clean. Morpho is not some backstreet company in Paris but tech company owned by France GoK.
When you say the server has raila win - what exactly is that -? a dancing gif written "Raila won". I mean you expect political class to make these self-serving statements but for someone supposedly intelligent just parrot them like unthinking moron is new one.
Again what exactly do you want in the server :) which are still safely kept in France.
NASA already used the logs they got from IEBCs Servers to commit forgery and attempt to pass that as narrow win by Raila :D :D The real server results showed Raila lost by 1.5M votes and lost everywhere else - MCAs, MPS, County Women Mps, Senators and Governors. Total rout.
That hasn’t been rebutted.
You are conflating what IEBC did for the October sham with what they did for August. Muite was not making a fool of himself in court because IEBC had shared the required information on their servers. Certainly nothing with KIMS information.
Rather conjure up facts, read the court documents in that first petition.
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That rich coming from you. I am talking about 8th August Elections. There are so many data points out there it impossible for your theories to fly with anyone with IQ higher than 70.
The court order on server access was obeyed except for few items that were time-barred. NASA and everyone got copies of logs of KIEMS kit on the server. They got and all along had access to FTP server where images were kept. Public had access to iebs results website and forms.iebc - with scanned copies. NASA and the public were present during voting, counting and entire process. The results were pinned outside. Each agent kept a copy of theirs. Those who wanted to take pictures took pictures and posted.
NASA definitely got copies of the key-in results which they have used to forge IEBC data as clearly demonstrated by Prof Charles Hornsby.
NASA moronic argument that you're trying to push here is cyclical; server was hacked; then later when new election has been ordered they turn round to say the server has our results :)
There is a reason why world has totally given up on Raila. This kind of sickness is just unprecedented globally.
You are conflating what IEBC did for the October sham with what they did for August. Muite was not making a fool of himself in court because IEBC had shared the required information on their servers. Certainly nothing with KIMS information.
Rather conjure up facts, read the court documents in that first petition.
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That rich coming from you. I am talking about 8th August Elections. There are so many data points out there it impossible for your theories to fly with anyone with IQ higher than 70.
The court order on server access was obeyed except for few items that were time-barred. NASA and everyone got copies of logs of KIEMS kit. They got and all along had access to FTP server where images were kept. Public had access to iebs results website and forms.iebc - with scanned copies. NASA and the public were present during voting, counting and entire process. The results were pinned outside. Those who wanted to take pictures took pictures and posted.
NASA definitely got copies of the key-in results which they have used to forge IEBC data as clearly demonstrated by Prof Charles Hornsby.
NASA moronic argument that you're trying to push here is cyclical; server was hacked; then later when new election has been order they turn round to say the server has our results :)
You are conflating what IEBC did for the October sham with what they did for August. Muite was not making a fool of himself in court because IEBC had shared the required information on their servers. Certainly nothing with KIMS information.
Rather conjure up facts, read the court documents in that first petition.
IEBC did not allow anybody access to their servers - that is what the circus in court was about. They shared printouts. None with information on KIEMS data. You seem to have time to read Charles Hornsby. Why don’t you also read the SCOK ruling?
In any case, isn’t quoting Charles Hornsby when, according to you, we already have this information telling? Why not just point to it? If it’s out there, one simply needs to point a link.
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Pray what do you think is in the server? IEBC shared digital logs (not print out) of key-in results & it's metadata(source of NASA fakery), they shared all scanned images - and that is just 'server' front - then they had earlier shared the same to the public via two websites. Then they shared paper copies. Then each party agents had paper copies at end of voting, also public had their copy pinned out there. The public was always there in the entire process. This is already an overkill.
Based on all that data..NOBODY to this day has IMPUGNED any figures or data from IEBC. Not even on a single polling station. The last refugee for the scoundrels is the server :)
The server is hacked. The server has our results. And pigs also fly.
Prof Charles hornsby demonstrate clearly why NASA argument don't make sense...using many different data points..including MCA or MP results to show NASA got a dog beating.
SCORK made huge blunder and they must be regretting that decision. The lower courts so far have given IEBC nearly 100% thumbs in other petition on 8.8th except for Wajir Governor who was nailed mainly because he has a doggy degree.Most observers have said they had not seen such a robust systems anywhere else....this was as fail-proof as system as it got.
IEBC conducted world class elections in third world country and I expect at end of the petition process -- they will be vindicated - with 1 bad SCORK decision as the only blot. Which is why our election is WORLD MOST EXPENSIVE. And some people will still comes and cast aspersion on the "server" :D :D.
The lesson IEBC learnt on 26th was basically next time put the server in "transparent casing" preferably in KICC sitting under some platform - and have everyone given read access to it - as long as they can't modify stuff.
IEBC did not allow anybody access to their servers - that is what the circus in court was about. They shared printouts. None with information on KIEMS data. You seem to have time to read Charles Hornsby. Why don’t you also read the SCOK ruling?
In any case, isn’t quoting Charles Hornsby when, according to you, we already have this information telling? Why not just point to it? If it’s out there, one simply needs to point a link.
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Pray what do you think is in the server? IEBC shared digital logs (not print out) of key-in results & it's metadata(source of NASA fakery), they shared all scanned images - and that is just 'server' front - then they had earlier shared the same to the public via two websites. Then they shared paper copies. Then each party agents had paper copies at end of voting, also public had their copy pinned out there. The public was always there in the entire process. This is already an overkill.
Based on all that data..NOBODY to this day has IMPUGNED any figures or data from IEBC. Not even on a single polling station. The last refugee for the scoundrels is the server :)
The server is hacked. The server has our results. And pigs also fly.
Prof Charles hornsby demonstrate clearly why NASA argument don't make sense...using many different data points..including MCA or MP results to show NASA got a dog beating.
SCORK made huge blunder and they must be regretting that decision. The lower courts so far have given IEBC nearly 100% thumbs in other petition on 8.8th except for Wajir Governor who was nailed mainly because he has a doggy degree.Most observers have said they had not seen such a robust systems anywhere else....this was as fail-proof as system as it got.
IEBC conducted world class elections in third world country and I expect at end of the petition process -- they will be vindicated - with 1 bad SCORK decision as the only blot. Which is why our election is WORLD MOST EXPENSIVE. And some people will still comes and cast aspersion on the "server" :D :D .
The lesson IEBC learnt on 26th was basically next time put the server in "transparent casing" preferably in KICC sitting under some platform - and have everyone given read access to it - as long as they can't modify stuff.
IEBC did not allow anybody access to their servers - that is what the circus in court was about. They shared printouts. None with information on KIEMS data. You seem to have time to read Charles Hornsby. Why don’t you also read the SCOK ruling?
In any case, isn’t quoting Charles Hornsby when, according to you, we already have this information telling? Why not just point to it? If it’s out there, one simply needs to point a link.
At this rate, we will be seeing arguments to the effect the SCOK did not nullify that first election when they still had balls. This stuff happened six months ago, was litigated right here, you generally wanted nothing to do with it. Now you want us to discuss it on the basis of Charles Hornsby's speculations.
Yet, you slavishly refuse to even acknowledge the simple fact that this information we are talking about cannot be accessed to this day. One of the things I was obsessed about was seeing the actual polling stations KIEMS information. I would have noticed if they had it out there and most likely would have gone with IEBC's declaration; I have nothing to gain from fantasies.
I mentioned elsewhere that opinions on this issue were hardened a while back, and no amount of logic will get through to either side. Though Robina disagrees.
Your points on MCAs and other elective seats would be persuasive(even though there are many ways of explaining them) if IEBC was a trustworthy organization.
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Yet, you slavishly refuse to even acknowledge the simple fact that this information we are talking about cannot be accessed to this day. One of the things I was obsessed about was seeing the actual polling stations KIEMS information. I would have noticed if they had it out there and most likely would have gone with IEBC's declaration; I have nothing to gain from fantasies.
I mentioned elsewhere that opinions on this issue were hardened a while back, and no amount of logic will get through to either side. Though Robina disagrees.
If I were so inclined, I'd link to the numerous discussions that went on here where you were complaining that for all we knew that data could be coming from anywhere due to the lack of info; indeed there were IEBC memos made public where these basic facts were admitted even by them. IEBC blatantly disobeyed a court order to allow several persons to access and download data from their servers in the presence of all. One of NASA's irreducible minimums was to avail this info and have an audit before the next election. What's the point of this particular debate, though? There is no one arguing that IEBC obeyed that order outside nipate. Let it go.
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Yet, you slavishly refuse to even acknowledge the simple fact that this information we are talking about cannot be accessed to this day. One of the things I was obsessed about was seeing the actual polling stations KIEMS information. I would have noticed if they had it out there and most likely would have gone with IEBC's declaration; I have nothing to gain from fantasies.
I mentioned elsewhere that opinions on this issue were hardened a while back, and no amount of logic will get through to either side. Though Robina disagrees.
If I were so inclined, I'd link to the numerous discussions that went on here where you were complaining that for all we knew that data could be coming from anywhere due to the lack of info; indeed there were IEBC memos made public where these basic facts were admitted even by them. IEBC blatantly disobeyed a court order to allow several persons to access and download data from their servers in the presence of all. One of NASA's irreducible minimums was to avail this info and have an audit before the next election. What's the point of this particular debate, though? There is no one arguing that IEBC obeyed that order outside nipate. Let it go.
Yep. It's somewhere on this forum. To buttress the fact that I am not in it for "my man", I was even among the first to dismiss the logs displayed by NASA after the elections. I was even ready to stretch credulity and resign to the fact that IEBC missing forms had an innocent explanation where Omollo had the presence of mind to deny the benefit of the doubt to folks that have never shown they deserve it. The contumacious disobedience shook me back to reality. I was not always sympathetic to NASA.
Why am I bothering with it now? Robina brought up the claim that it has no basis. We all know how the mists of time can allow us to mold the narratives we want without having to deal with glaring unsupportive facts. In this case, the narrative is the tyranny of numbers where somehow a core of GEMA and Kalenjin is bigger than Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Miji Kenda and Kisii.
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Yep. It's somewhere on this forum. To buttress the fact that I am not in it for "my man", I was even among the first to dismiss the logs displayed by NASA after the elections. I was even ready to stretch credulity and resign to the fact that IEBC missing forms had an innocent explanation where Omollo had the presence of mind to deny the benefit of the doubt to folks that have never shown they deserve it. The contumacious disobedience shook me back to reality. I was not always sympathetic to NASA.
Why am I bothering with it now? Robina brought up the claim that it has no basis. We all know how the mists of time can allow us to mold the narratives we want without having to deal with glaring unsupportive facts. In this case, the narrative is the tyranny of numbers where somehow a core of GEMA and Kalenjin is bigger than Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Miji Kenda and Kisii.
Termi, it's not that long ago that people have forgotten. If people are denying info in the public domain, it's not by accident. Its not even confirmation bias. Move along and don't let Robina bait you into endless debates. Both she and Pundit know the IEBC refused to open servers in defiance of a court order and haven't done so to this day, no one here is ignorant.
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Yep. It's somewhere on this forum. To buttress the fact that I am not in it for "my man", I was even among the first to dismiss the logs displayed by NASA after the elections. I was even ready to stretch credulity and resign to the fact that IEBC missing forms had an innocent explanation where Omollo had the presence of mind to deny the benefit of the doubt to folks that have never shown they deserve it. The contumacious disobedience shook me back to reality. I was not always sympathetic to NASA.
Why am I bothering with it now? Robina brought up the claim that it has no basis. We all know how the mists of time can allow us to mold the narratives we want without having to deal with glaring unsupportive facts. In this case, the narrative is the tyranny of numbers where somehow a core of GEMA and Kalenjin is bigger than Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Miji Kenda and Kisii.
Termi, it's not that long ago that people have forgotten. If people are denying info in the public domain, it's not by accident. Its not even confirmation bias. Move along and don't let Robina bait you into endless debates. Both she and Pundit know the IEBC refused to open servers in defiance of a court order and haven't done so to this day, no one here is ignorant.
I agree. If we cannot even agree on the most basic facts, it's kind of hilarious for me to think I can make a convincing argument a few steps removed from those basic facts.