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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RVtitem on November 16, 2017, 09:06:11 AM
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Mugabe was a brave wise man, no doubt about it. Meriad sunctions only let his regime suffer on last years.
If Zimbabwe manage to be stable, then it will surpass south Africa with their fake African prosperity. He layed a proper Foundation for the future.
I Disagree
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Just like Kenya, the former white owned land is now in the hands of black settlers who have no idea about farming. The irony is that Mugabe's daughter threw out the veterans who had taken over a white farm. It is now hers and the veterans who did the dirty job are landless.
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SA should absolutely not borrow Mugabe's failed script. They should use progressive empowerment of the blacks, not Mugabe's madness. Otherwise their economy will spin to basket case which is already happening. They really need the wisdom to balance majority black rights and the economic benefit of the white minority. Like Zim, they can't have their cake and eat it too.
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Mugabe chose that route just to save his dwindling presidency way back in 2000. That was after being 20 years in power and he had no new ideas for Zimbabwe. SA can hardly go that way since even a dunderhead like Zuma is confined to two terms. Zuma would had been the perfect Mugabe for SA had he the unlimited stay as president.
SA should absolutely not borrow Mugabe's failed script. They should use progressive empowerment of the blacks, not Mugabe's madness. Otherwise their economy will spin to basket case which is already happening. They really need the wisdom to balance majority black rights and the economic benefit of the white minority. Like Zim, they can't have their cake and eat it too.
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Land distribution is required.But not forceful seizures.SA has to do this.
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How do you see that working out? Will the redistributed farms remain as productive? By the way it's not just the land but the entire economy is white dominated. Say in the mining industry they have been giving workers shares as a benefit based on years as service - but this form of empowerment has folks quite impatient. How for example do you redustribute huge banks owned by white people? Do you seize them? Charge them more taxes? How do you avoid the investor exodus? Affirmative action is a tough nut when the marginalized group is the supermajority. SA may just have to suck it up and accept the rich whites as "investors".
Land distribution is required.But not forceful seizures.SA has to do this.
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Just like Kenya, the former white owned land is now in the hands of black settlers who have no idea about farming. The irony is that Mugabe's daughter threw out the veterans who had taken over a white farm. It is now hers and the veterans who did the dirty job are landless.
I disagree
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Kenya smallhilder farming is proof enough that it can work
How do you see that working out? Will the redistributed farms remain as productive? By the way it's not just the land but the entire economy is white dominated. Say in the mining industry they have been giving workers shares as a benefit based on years as service - but this form of empowerment has folks quite impatient. How for example do you redustribute huge banks owned by white people? Do you seize them? Charge them more taxes? How do you avoid the investor exodus? Affirmative action is a tough nut when the marginalized group is the supermajority. SA may just have to suck it up and accept the rich whites as "investors".
Land distribution is required.But not forceful seizures.SA has to do this.
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They are self-made farmers. They have beat the odds over the years to emerge top. The trouble with redistribution is lack of merit. You just distribute stuff to the hoi polloi and hope a few serious ones sustain it. The odds are stuck! The reality is that anyone suffering because their great grandpa lost land to kaburu is not enterprising. It's a much safer bet to let the proven owners run them and find other reparations.
Kenya smallhilder farming is proof enough that it can workHow do you see that working out? Will the redistributed farms remain as productive? By the way it's not just the land but the entire economy is white dominated. Say in the mining industry they have been giving workers shares as a benefit based on years as service - but this form of empowerment has folks quite impatient. How for example do you redustribute huge banks owned by white people? Do you seize them? Charge them more taxes? How do you avoid the investor exodus? Affirmative action is a tough nut when the marginalized group is the supermajority. SA may just have to suck it up and accept the rich whites as "investors".
Land distribution is required.But not forceful seizures.SA has to do this.
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They are self-made farmers. They have beat the odds over the years to emerge top. The trouble with redistribution is lack of merit. You just distribute stuff to the hoi polloi and hope a few serious ones sustain it. The odds are stuck! The reality is that anyone suffering because their great grandpa lost land to kaburu is not enterprising. It's a much safer bet to let the proven owners run them and find other reparations.
Kenya smallhilder farming is proof enough that it can workHow do you see that working out? Will the redistributed farms remain as productive? By the way it's not just the land but the entire economy is white dominated. Say in the mining industry they have been giving workers shares as a benefit based on years as service - but this form of empowerment has folks quite impatient. How for example do you redustribute huge banks owned by white people? Do you seize them? Charge them more taxes? How do you avoid the investor exodus? Affirmative action is a tough nut when the marginalized group is the supermajority. SA may just have to suck it up and accept the rich whites as "investors".
Land distribution is required.But not forceful seizures.SA has to do this.
They'll get the land and subdivide it into 50x100 and sell it, and in twenty years, no food. Remember NKR ADC.. Its no more.
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Robina..two things..one historical injustice..and secondly majority poor people without skills best bet is farming...farming require few skills.Rich South African farmers can move elsewhere.Dutch are great farmers running nearly all serious farming worldwide and south africa are lucky due to that dutch connection....but surely the poor desperate south african deserve land to forage on.
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Always a lovely and inspirational story. Small-scale farmer pulls himself up by the bootstraps and succeeds. More should get into it.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3264078-6ilpaoz/index.html
The peasant coffee farmer, who grows 60 per cent of Kenya’s coffee, is basically a serf.
Tomorrow evening: attending an event organized by UN-related types on food aid to East Africa (including Kenya). Has now become an a very regular event. Will pass on the good news from here.
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No the poor African does not deserve the land to forage. I recommend a good state-served education. Afforded by the excellent tax-paying farmer. If schooling does not uplift him sorry he shouldn't get to subdivide the land. It's for his own good. In any case there is massive acreage unocccupied which he will not convert into useful farmland while hankering for what is already taken. The sustaibable economy is much more useful than the temporary humanitarianism. Those white farmers are the reason SA is not a food begger.
Can you draw a parallel to Kenya? Those herders invading the ranches and acting like it only rains at the ranch. The massive lands outside the ranch they overwhelm with the large herds of cattle then act so righteous and bereaved. Give them the ranch and there would be nothing in a short while. Bye bye to the tourism too. The reason for the herders' suffering is their own backwardness not "historical injustice". This applies to the massive desert that is the entire Ukambani, the upper coast and NFD.
Robina..two things..one historical injustice..and secondly majority poor people without skills best bet is farming...farming require few skills.Rich South African farmers can move elsewhere.Dutch are great farmers running nearly all serious farming worldwide and south africa are lucky due to that dutch connection....but surely the poor desperate south african deserve land to forage on.
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Of course you'll never ran out of negative news if you keenly look for them. Kenya smallholder coffee produce some of the highest quality beans everywhere in planet. It been in turmoil the last few years - but since the first smallholder was allowed to plant coffee around late 1950- till around 2000 - that whopping 50 years - small holder coffee - propped the kenyan economy and proved small holder farming was viable and profitable.
Always a lovely and inspirational story. Small-scale farmer pulls himself up by the bootstraps and succeeds. More should get into it.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/1056-3264078-6ilpaoz/index.html
The peasant coffee farmer, who grows 60 per cent of Kenya’s coffee, is basically a serf.
Tomorrow evening: attending an event organized by UN-related types on food aid to East Africa (including Kenya). Has now become an a very regular event. Will pass on the good news from here.
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1) SA or Zim situation is just obnoxious - where white farmers own 90% of arable land - which they acquired through violent means. That cannot be allowed to stand anywhere. Historical injustice 101. Historical affarmative action 101.
2) Productivity will not fall with small holder farming - case in point - kenya's tea,horticulture and coffee. We've proven that productivity - both in quality & quantity - doesn't reduce but actually dramatically increased compared to large scale production.
3) Laikipia is like RSA - there is need for some solution - one or two large scale farmers is okay - but having the whole county occupied by few ranches is not good - my suggestion is for gov to buy out some of the ranches and land be given to herders.
4) Herders - pastoralist - we need to focus on them - they need to individually own land - right now that whole part of kenya is community land - so nobody is responsible for anything. GoK should really work on giving every herder a titledeed - and they will start fencing it off & doing responsible management.
Laikipia and RSA were always ticking time bombs. They will explode.
So don't worry about white farmers - they will be fine - don't worry about productivity - small holders can be organized to produce more !
Just see Netherlands - very tiny country - but second producer of food after USA - which is 270 times bigger.
No the poor African does not deserve the land to forage. I recommend a good state-served education. Afforded by the excellent tax-paying farmer. If schooling does not uplift him sorry he shouldn't get to subdivide the land. It's for his own good. In any case there is massive acreage unocccupied which he will not convert into useful farmland while hankering for what is already taken. The sustaibable economy is much more useful than the temporary humanitarianism. Those white farmers are the reason SA is not a food begger.
Can you draw a parallel to Kenya? Those herders invading the ranches and acting like it only rains at the ranch. The massive lands outside the ranch they overwhelm with the large herds of cattle then act so righteous and bereaved. Give them the ranch and there would be nothing in a short while. Bye bye to the tourism too. The reason for the herders' suffering is their own backwardness not "historical injustice". This applies to the massive desert that is the entire Ukambani, the upper coast and NFD.
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1) SA or Zim situation is just obnoxious - where white farmers own 90% of arable land - which they acquired through violent means. That cannot be allowed to stand anywhere. Historical injustice 101. Historical affarmative action 101.
2) Productivity will not fall with small holder farming - case in point - kenya's tea,horticulture and coffee. We've proven that productivity - both in quality & quantity - doesn't reduce but actually dramatically increased compared to large scale production.
3) Laikipia is like RSA - there is need for some solution - one or two large scale farmers is okay - but having the whole county occupied by few ranches is not good - my suggestion is for gov to buy out some of the ranches and land be given to herders.
4) Herders - pastoralist - we need to focus on them - they need to individually own land - right now that whole part of kenya is community land - so nobody is responsible for anything. GoK should really work on giving every herder a titledeed - and they will start fencing it off & doing responsible management.
Laikipia and RSA were always ticking time bombs. They will explode.
So don't worry about white farmers - they will be fine - don't worry about productivity - small holders can be organized to produce more !
Just see Netherlands - very tiny country - but second producer of food after USA - which is 270 times bigger.
No the poor African does not deserve the land to forage. I recommend a good state-served education. Afforded by the excellent tax-paying farmer. If schooling does not uplift him sorry he shouldn't get to subdivide the land. It's for his own good. In any case there is massive acreage unocccupied which he will not convert into useful farmland while hankering for what is already taken. The sustaibable economy is much more useful than the temporary humanitarianism. Those white farmers are the reason SA is not a food begger.
Can you draw a parallel to Kenya? Those herders invading the ranches and acting like it only rains at the ranch. The massive lands outside the ranch they overwhelm with the large herds of cattle then act so righteous and bereaved. Give them the ranch and there would be nothing in a short while. Bye bye to the tourism too. The reason for the herders' suffering is their own backwardness not "historical injustice". This applies to the massive desert that is the entire Ukambani, the upper coast and NFD.
You lost me here.
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Of course you'll never ran out of negative news if you keenly look for them. Kenya smallholder coffee produce some of the highest quality beans everywhere in planet. It been in turmoil the last few years - but since the first smallholder was allowed to plant coffee around late 1950- till around 2000 - that whopping 50 years - small holder coffee - propped the kenyan economy and proved small holder farming was viable and profitable.
That's great. So it is a real pity that people cannot eat tea or coffee. Other than the endless begging for food---regular bad news that one doesn't have to look for---take a look at Kenya's annual non-aid imports of maize, wheat, and rice.
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1) SA or Zim situation is just obnoxious - where white farmers own 90% of arable land - which they acquired through violent means. That cannot be allowed to stand anywhere. Historical injustice 101. Historical affarmative action 101.
2) Productivity will not fall with small holder farming - case in point - kenya's tea,horticulture and coffee. We've proven that productivity - both in quality & quantity - doesn't reduce but actually dramatically increased compared to large scale production.
3) Laikipia is like RSA - there is need for some solution - one or two large scale farmers is okay - but having the whole county occupied by few ranches is not good - my suggestion is for gov to buy out some of the ranches and land be given to herders.
4) Herders - pastoralist - we need to focus on them - they need to individually own land - right now that whole part of kenya is community land - so nobody is responsible for anything. GoK should really work on giving every herder a titledeed - and they will start fencing it off & doing responsible management.
Laikipia and RSA were always ticking time bombs. They will explode.
So don't worry about white farmers - they will be fine - don't worry about productivity - small holders can be organized to produce more !
Just see Netherlands - very tiny country - but second producer of food after USA - which is 270 times bigger.
Your made-up "facts" keep getting more and more bizarre.
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1) SA or Zim situation is just obnoxious - where white farmers own 90% of arable land - which they acquired through violent means. That cannot be allowed to stand anywhere. Historical injustice 101. Historical affarmative action 101.
2) Productivity will not fall with small holder farming - case in point - kenya's tea,horticulture and coffee. We've proven that productivity - both in quality & quantity - doesn't reduce but actually dramatically increased compared to large scale production.
3) Laikipia is like RSA - there is need for some solution - one or two large scale farmers is okay - but having the whole county occupied by few ranches is not good - my suggestion is for gov to buy out some of the ranches and land be given to herders.
4) Herders - pastoralist - we need to focus on them - they need to individually own land - right now that whole part of kenya is community land - so nobody is responsible for anything. GoK should really work on giving every herder a titledeed - and they will start fencing it off & doing responsible management.
Laikipia and RSA were always ticking time bombs. They will explode.
So don't worry about white farmers - they will be fine - don't worry about productivity - small holders can be organized to produce more !
Just see Netherlands - very tiny country - but second producer of food after USA - which is 270 times bigger.
Your made-up "facts" keep getting more and more bizarre.
This appears to be a true fact actually.
https://www.quora.com/How-is-the-Netherlands-the-second-largest-food-exporter
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1) SA or Zim situation is just obnoxious - where white farmers own 90% of arable land - which they acquired through violent means. That cannot be allowed to stand anywhere. Historical injustice 101. Historical affarmative action 101.
2) Productivity will not fall with small holder farming - case in point - kenya's tea,horticulture and coffee. We've proven that productivity - both in quality & quantity - doesn't reduce but actually dramatically increased compared to large scale production.
3) Laikipia is like RSA - there is need for some solution - one or two large scale farmers is okay - but having the whole county occupied by few ranches is not good - my suggestion is for gov to buy out some of the ranches and land be given to herders.
4) Herders - pastoralist - we need to focus on them - they need to individually own land - right now that whole part of kenya is community land - so nobody is responsible for anything. GoK should really work on giving every herder a titledeed - and they will start fencing it off & doing responsible management.
Laikipia and RSA were always ticking time bombs. They will explode.
So don't worry about white farmers - they will be fine - don't worry about productivity - small holders can be organized to produce more !
Just see Netherlands - very tiny country - but second producer of food after USA - which is 270 times bigger.
Your made-up "facts" keep getting more and more bizarre.
This appears to be a true fact actually.
https://www.quora.com/How-is-the-Netherlands-the-second-largest-food-exporter
That says "second largest exporter", not "second largest producer". A significant difference.
Kenya's biggest problem is basic production ... enough to properly feed its people. So whatever one wishes to make of the Netherlands---and they do well in food production---to simply say "oh, look at the Netherlands (or wherever), Kenya can do it" is not good enough. Other than the fact that the Netherlands is a sort of exception, if Kenya can do it, then when will it get to doing it?
The other thing I would look at is what Kenyans need, in terms of basic food, and how best to produce it in large volumes. At the top of the list, I would put maize, rice, and wheat. So, how does the fantastic Netherlands do in, say, maize production?. It imports millions of tonnes each year, way more than it produces. Wheat? Imports millions of tonnes per year, substantially more than it produces. Rice? Zero production and imports hundreds of tonnes per year. Obviously their great farming methods don't apply to those things; so it questionable to start using the Netherlands as a "model" for how to feed Kenyans.
On the idea of using the Netherlands as a "model" for the promotion of land division and small-scale farming, there's this:
by 2008 there were 70% fewer farms than in 1960. Further expansion of farm size and scale is expected to continue in the future.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1573521413000183
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No the poor African does not deserve the land to forage. I recommend a good state-served education. Afforded by the excellent tax-paying farmer. If schooling does not uplift him sorry he shouldn't get to subdivide the land. It's for his own good. In any case there is massive acreage unocccupied which he will not convert into useful farmland while hankering for what is already taken. The sustaibable economy is much more useful than the temporary humanitarianism. Those white farmers are the reason SA is not a food begger.
Can you draw a parallel to Kenya? Those herders invading the ranches and acting like it only rains at the ranch. The massive lands outside the ranch they overwhelm with the large herds of cattle then act so righteous and bereaved. Give them the ranch and there would be nothing in a short while. Bye bye to the tourism too. The reason for the herders' suffering is their own backwardness not "historical injustice". This applies to the massive desert that is the entire Ukambani, the upper coast and NFD.
Robina..two things..one historical injustice..and secondly majority poor people without skills best bet is farming...farming require few skills.Rich South African farmers can move elsewhere.Dutch are great farmers running nearly all serious farming worldwide and south africa are lucky due to that dutch connection....but surely the poor desperate south african deserve land to forage on.
Agreed!!!
Asians number in the billions, yet i rarely see them beg for food. Reason- those people have mastered the art of food production. Go to Korea and you'll appreciate their tea, veggies, legumes, etc. They grow every thing, unlike Sub Saharan Africans who depend on one crop-Maize and beans.
Leave land to people who know what to do with it. SA whites know how to farm, let them be farmers.
As for Kenya, Every county needs a land use planning board to manage this meager resource.
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Agreed!!!
Asians number in the billions, yet i rarely see them beg for food. Reason- those people have mastered the art of food production. Go to Korea and you'll appreciate their tea, veggies, legumes, etc. They grow every thing, unlike Sub Saharan Africans who depend on one crop-Maize and beans.
Leave land to people who know what to do with it. SA whites know how to farm, let them be farmers.
As for Kenya, Every county needs a land use planning board to manage this meager resource.
There is an important "psychological" element in all of this; and to the extent that that is so, I am in favour of the natives having more of their land. It is always far, far better to starve on one's own land than to get sustenance from land stolen by those bad people. Unless, of course, one is actually starving. Or dying. And forced to beg for food from the people who returned the land to its owners.
By all means, return the land to the natives. An absolute "must". But the natives then have to fend for themselves. It is absurd and totally lacking in self-respect---and I am astonished that many more don't find it seriously humiliating---to insist on "mzungu, give us back our land!" and then follow it with an annual "mzungu, come here quick!, drought or whatever!, urgent aid please!". 50+ years. Nations of jokers.
We need to get serious about feeding ourselves. The near-annual "international community, saidia please!" does not reflect any seriousness. Nor do taxpayer-funded jokes like Galana, where there is certainly plenty of "eating", but not of food.
Want to be like The Netherlands? Excellent. An admirable goal, if one is cognizant of the reality. Excluding numerous other helpful elements---such as the number of major "agro"-industry players who have been persuaded to set up camp there---consider this: the place has a whole university whose entire business is around the production of food. They even have generous scholarships for people who want to help Africans feed themselves. Kenya? Working hard on B.A. (Hons) from Above-Bar University (2nd Floor, Room 14). Hustling. Nailing sponsorship. Man wakes up one morning, decides he is a "Dr" and "Prof", opens the Fort Hall of Fuck-All, and he actually has people lining up to part with good money! And all over the country, everyone is jerking off about the "national genius"! A real and exemplary hustler, I suppose. And at the top: on the one side, a booze-fiend with a total-thief for sidekick. On the other side, a motley crew that can't plan/project-manage its way out of a wet paper-bag. With little prospect of change.
50+ years of Free, Independent, and Equal. Indeed. Still, time to move from can-might-will-maybe-whatever. Just do it!
Yes, I know. That wasn't exactly the warm fuzzies. I should conclude on a positive note. Here, it is: Remember the kienyeji stuff your grandmother made from the local leaves whenever you had malaria or whatever? Nasty and bitter, but it worked; and, yes, you took it voluntarily. Kenyans need a serious wake-up call, and the next few years of nasty-and-bitter will help to that end. "The selfish and bastards! Always out for only themselves! We'll throw them out in 2022!". You know how it goes.
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There is nothing wrong with importing some food...wheat for example just doesnt do good in tropics while Asians produce dirty cheap rice.The problem is lack of money or poverty
..not food.The people affected live in ASAL region.If white farmers are prolific let them go to Ukambani or Turkana and farm...but leave arable land to Africans.Nobody has begged for food in former white highlands of kenya.On the contrary kenya moved to major global player in coffee,tea,diary and horticuluture by practising small holder farming in those former white farms .We certainly produce more maize than Brits did here...but of course demand from pop pressure exceed that production.You can look up the map and realize why brits farmers didnt farm in Northern kenya but chose to appropriate forcefully only the arable land.The same applies in RSA.
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It looks like one thing these Zimbabweans appreciate about Mugabe is his imminent exit.
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Land ownership is the perfect gateway out of poverty. Taiwan did it.
I would rather be a subsistence farmers on Delamere or Kakuzi land, than be a slum dweller in Kiandutu or Kibera. With cheap fertilizer agricultural productivity is easily doubled if not tripled.
Even these slums once people get the title deeds they will be able to develop their plots. Kihiu Mwiri is now booming!
The Galana and Laikipia ranches were meant to be buffer zones between farming and pastoralists communities in times of drought, so those few wazungus have not had the last of this. It is even crazy to think you can have 10,000, 20,000 acres and live peacefully in some of these jungles.
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Land ownership is the perfect gateway out of poverty. Taiwan did it.
I would rather be a subsistence farmers on Delamere or Kakuzi land, than be a slum dweller in Kiandutu or Kibera. With cheap fertilizer agricultural productivity is easily doubled if not tripled.
Even these slums once people get the title deeds they will be able to develop their plots. Kihiu Mwiri is now booming!
Have you actually visited Delamere? It is a well-run irrigation scheme. The rest of the peasants in Naivasha are dirt poor. Naivasha is a dry rock. This is what I mean - the peasants in the neighborhood will have you believe there is some favoritism that causes the greenery at the Delamere ranch while the stretch to Gilgil is a steaming desert.
The Galana and Laikipia ranches were meant to be buffer zones between farming and pastoralists communities in times of drought, so those few wazungus have not had the last of this. It is even crazy to think you can have 10,000, 20,000 acres and live peacefully in some of these jungles.
Outside the Laikipia ranches - Baringo, Isiolo, Samburu, etc - this is vast acreage that is scorched dry. There is no magic grass or rain on the ranches that causes them to be invaded. Just the absence of large herds of cattle there. Kicking out the mzungu and his horses and castles will simply extend the desert. Desert and famine is not caused by a few mzungu ranches. These are rich boys who make their money elsewhere and retire to the castle on weekend. If mzungu left Laikipia and moved to Marsabit - and open ranches there - you would soon hear all kind of nonsense about how he caused drought there - while his horses feed on magical grass at the ranch :o
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If you look at the google maps you will see that once the rivers/streams get into Delamere very little volume of water gets out on the other end.
Walking around Gatundu, Kilifi and Kisii you see small scale pineapple farming doing quite well. It is worth noting Kenya Canners was started to be buying pineapples from small scale farmers only to turn into an irrigation farm , refuse to buy from the small scale farmers and lobbied to end support for the same small scale farmers by the government. Kenya Canners was built on teh back of hut tax and sweat of the same landless farmers.
Hidden behind the emotional subject of historical, is the economic reality the argument of whether the land and water resources should benefit foreigners just because they employ a few or just because they are bringing dollars. As was in the case in Zimbabwe does it make sense to use your land and water resources to grow tobacco and vegetable for Londoners while the Zimbaweans are hungry. Zimbabwe is now having surplus grain harvest, I saw Mugabe appeal to the guys to ensure they harvest and get back to the shamba 8)
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Total agree. And beside they are many small holders doing irrigation in small scale..however when you scale it up...it make a joke of delamares or galanas...that is why I am see Shirlif and Davis(sp) opening branch everywhere selling small scale irrigation.
SMALL HOLDING FARM is the future and reality for Africa -
If you look at the google maps you will see that once the rivers/streams get into Delamere very little volume of water gets out on the other end.
Walking around Gatundu, Kilifi and Kisii you see small scale pineapple farming doing quite well. It is worth noting Kenya Canners was started to be buying pineapples from small scale farmers only to turn into an irrigation farm , refuse to buy from the small scale farmers and lobbied to end support for the same small scale farmers by the government. Kenya Canners was built on teh back of hut tax and sweat of the same landless farmers.
Hidden behind the emotional subject of historical, is the economic reality the argument of whether the land and water resources should benefit foreigners just because they employ a few or just because they are bringing dollars. As was in the case in Zimbabwe does it make sense to use your land and water resources to grow tobacco and vegetable for Londoners while the Zimbaweans are hungry. Zimbabwe is now having surplus grain harvest, I saw Mugabe appeal to the guys to ensure they harvest and get back to the shamba 8)