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Title: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 03:29:11 PM
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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 03:37:07 PM
This is a CLEAR indictment beyond redemption. I lost count of the crimes this letter discloses.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 03:46:31 PM
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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Pragmatic on September 07, 2017, 03:51:07 PM
Bwana Omollo,

If this memo is indeed authentic, it is the ultimate indictment! From the narrative, it can only mean that something went horribly wrong within IEBC and without because those who organised this "electoral heist" can only have had external parties (main sponsor of the "project heist"). I am in no doubt now that indeed the KIEMS kit did not transmit any election results (or if any did, these were massaged) as they were deliberately interfered with. With Chebukati asking very clear and deliberate questions including that the geo-fencing (GPS) and location markers of the devices were switched off tells you why IEBC was reluctant to provide the information ordered by court regarding the KIEMS transmission. Meantime Chebukati is saying that his account was created a couple of days to the elections and the officers who did this even had the temerity to assign him a password (which even if you want to be so blatant they should have let him do it himself and later use administrator rights to change to their choice for their intended use). They then later went ahead to use this password more than 9000 times to alter/delete some incoming information (results).

The election was horribly botched not just the transmission aspect but it appears this transmission failure was deliberate so that it could allow for fake results to be sent to the server.

I will have to withdraw my earlier doubts and call on NASA to give their countering form 34As that show that what IEBC provided was different from the authentic ones.

How and why are those IEBC officers still at their jobs!!!!??
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 03:59:11 PM
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 07, 2017, 04:04:51 PM
This is why they keep on screaming that they have unassailable numbers. It's a part of psychological preparation for rigging. There numbers are not what it's purported to be. They have good numbers but so does NASA. These people are very beatable in a free and fair elections.

I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 04:09:30 PM
Nope. I always flows with facts. I am shocked by the incompetence by secretariat. I am waiting for Chiloba to RESPOND AND EXPLAIN what appears to be massive cock-up. I still don't have any evidence that Jubilee rigged this election.
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
We have no evidence of that Jubilee didn't win. It easy to tender evidence of manipulation. NASA had agents. It quite simple to get a long list of altered or manipulated results.

They can start with simple excel

Polling station  Votes as counted at Polling  Votes as appeared in Final 34s.

The can easily verify that using agent copies, copy attached to polling station and pictures taken when voting was underway.

The lack of this evidence is what makes me believe IEBC just fumbled on matters TECHNOLOGY- although compared to 2013 - they did better - system collapsed then at 30% transmission of TEXT result only.
This is why they keep on screaming that they have unassailable numbers. It's a part of psychological preparation for rigging. There numbers are not what it's purported to be. They have good numbers but so does NASA. These people are very beatable in a free and fair elections.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
Pundit, what about no. 11? No. 12? And do you still think the President's attacks on the judiciary are warranted? Let him direct his wrath at Chiloba and crew and leave the judges alone.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
No 11- I again Chiloba should respond and explain. I don't know the context. Is this form 34A/B or text -in data and where are those polling stations.

I still agree with dissenting judges that failure of technology like here -is not enough to overturn election - unless one can show those errors somehow affected the credibility of the polls.

In short - even form 34A on full-scap or exercise book - would still be sufficient for me - if indeed it reflect the will of the people. You need to proof the content of full scrap are not true.

Pundit, what about no. 11? And do you still think the President's attacks on the judiciary are warranted? Let him direct his wrath at Chiloba and crew and leave the judges alone.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2017, 04:48:24 PM
No 11- I again Chiloba should respond and explain. I don't know the context. Is this form 34A/B or text -in data and where are those polling stations.

I still agree with dissenting judges that failure of technology like here -is not enough to overturn election - unless one can show those errors somehow affected the credibility of the polls.

In short - even form 34A on full-scap or exercise book - would still be sufficient for me - if indeed it reflect the will of the people. You need to proof the content of full scrap are not true.

Pundit, what about no. 11? And do you still think the President's attacks on the judiciary are warranted? Let him direct his wrath at Chiloba and crew and leave the judges alone.

I think the standard adopted here is to borrow Muite's phrase, abundance of caution.  You have forms with security features at great cost,  but instead you see full-scaps.  You have transmission technology at great cost, but instead you have people trooping into Bomas some of them with full-scaps. 

Because all these features are in place so that we can know what the will of the people is, in the event of their massive failure we cannot claim to know what that will was in the first place.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 04:50:16 PM
Some people are incorrigible:

The form 34 are not just pieces of paper. They exist by law for a specific purpose. They have a lifespan dictated by law. First they are designated and designed by specifications set by the IEBC based on certain considerations. In this case possible fraud required that they have security features. That in effect permanently removed the possibility of using a textbook (acceptable as it may to others!)

The form is delivered and signed for and its serial number and other features noted. It has the names of the candidates PRINTED in a prescribed uniform manner - something that proved useful in detecting fraud this year!

On use, it is filled in with prescribed information, agents signatures obtained or the absence of explained, totals entered and finally the owner of the document - be it returning officer or Presiding Officer - appends his / her signature and other security provisions be it a rubber stamp or secret number etc.

The law requires that the form be transmitted electronically. It is scanned and then transmitted.

Any variation from the above is illegal. If a different form is used the information on it is invalid. It is possible for the IEBC to provide replacements or probably two or more copies where the unused is surrendered, accounted for before the announcement of results.

The Chairman's letter reflects the findings in court based on evidence which was NOT contradicted.

As for numbers, when I wrote about nearly 5 million votes I was ridiculed. How can one say anybody won when 5 million votes cannot be accounted for?:

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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 04:54:21 PM
I think the standard adopted here is to borrow Muite's phrase, abundance of caution.  You have forms with security features at great cost,  but instead you see full-scaps.  You have transmission technology at great cost, but instead you have people trooping into Bomas some of them with full-scaps. 

Because all these features are in place so that we can know what the will of the people is, in the event of their massive failure we cannot claim to know what that will was in the first place.
No explanation was provided for the forgeries
Instead the silly attempt was made to focus on the numbers on it
Jubilee picked some forgeries where Raila got more votes and tried that false equivalence thing
In the end the numbers showed that we were dealing with 5 million votes which nobody could say for sure which candidate got if at all. They were forgeries.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 04:54:49 PM
The lack of those features is not evidence of fraud. I don't know who fault it is - Al Gurair printer or what - made some of those forms miss some watermark - but definitely without evidence that content are fraudelent; I won't dismiss them. These forms had say 10 features - some turned up to have 9 features - and without anybody impugning the content of the forms - Judges should not assume they are not genuine.
I think the standard adopted here is to borrow Muite's phrase, abundance of caution.  You have forms with security features at great cost,  but instead you see full-scaps.  You have transmission technology at great cost, but instead you have people trooping into Bomas some of them with full-scaps. 
Because all these features are in place so that we can know what the will of the people is, in the event of their massive failure we cannot claim to know what that will was in the first place.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 04:58:32 PM
You're making a big deal about failure of technology. It doesn't impugne the content of PHYSICAL form 34s As. One of explanation I have seen is that Telkom (the company) failed to transmit while Safaricom & Airtel did a good job. If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
Some people are incorrigible:

The form 34 are not just pieces of paper. They exist by law for a specific purpose. They have a lifespan dictated by law. First they are designated and designed by specifications set by the IEBC based on certain considerations. In this case possible fraud required that they have security features. That in effect permanently removed the possibility of using a textbook (acceptable as it may to others!)

The form is delivered and signed for and its serial number and other features noted. It has the names of the candidates PRINTED in a prescribed uniform manner - something that proved useful in detecting fraud this year!

On use, it is filled in with prescribed information, agents signatures obtained or the absence of explained, totals entered and finally the owner of the document - be it returning officer or Presiding Officer - appends his / her signature and other security provisions be it a rubber stamp or secret number etc.

The law requires that the form be transmitted electronically. It is scanned and then transmitted.

Any variation from the above is illegal. If a different form is used the information on it is invalid. It is possible for the IEBC to provide replacements or probably two or more copies where the unused is surrendered, accounted for before the announcement of results.

The Chairman's letter reflects the findings in court based on evidence which was NOT contradicted.

As for numbers, when I wrote about nearly 5 million votes I was ridiculed. How can one say anybody won when 5 million votes cannot be accounted for?:

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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 05:00:27 PM
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 05:03:51 PM
Those are your own words. There wass NO Failure of Technology.

KEIMS did not fail. I know you wished it could but it didn't.

As for the telecoms excuse:
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You're making a big deal about failure of technology. It doesn't impugne the content of PHYSICAL form 34s As. One of explanation I have seen is that Telkom (the company) failed to transmit while Safaricom & Airtel did a good job. If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
You here seriously fail to appreciate what section 39 was trying to cure. Again all because you continue to refuse to read the Court of Appeal judgment in it entirety and for once pretend to have understood it. That is what sunk your advocates and continues to sink you. If a court finds something untenable and illegal repeating it makes your action null and void! Iwinjo?
   
If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Empedocles on September 07, 2017, 05:15:00 PM
We have no evidence of that Jubilee didn't win. It easy to tender evidence of manipulation. NASA had agents. It quite simple to get a long list of altered or manipulated results.

They can start with simple excel

Polling station  Votes as counted at Polling  Votes as appeared in Final 34s.

The can easily verify that using agent copies, copy attached to polling station and pictures taken when voting was underway.

The lack of this evidence is what makes me believe IEBC just fumbled on matters TECHNOLOGY- although compared to 2013 - they did better - system collapsed then at 30% transmission of TEXT result only.
This is why they keep on screaming that they have unassailable numbers. It's a part of psychological preparation for rigging. There numbers are not what it's purported to be. They have good numbers but so does NASA. These people are very beatable in a free and fair elections.
The numbers released by Ndii on behalf of NASA, with which he claimed NASA had won were almost immediately shown to be completely wrong (showed a Jubilee win) and he quickly deleted his tweet (but not before countless screenshots were made).

Whether Jubilee rigged I don't know (I personally wouldn't put it past them) as like RV, I'm more inclined to believe IEBC bungled the election in the typical Kenyan government institution fashion.

What matters is NASA buckling down by stopping this nonsense of whining nonstop, organizing for polling agents, and preparing to get the voters out on 17.10 otherwise as RV puts it, another dog beating is coming up.

IEBC can always be dealt with if NASA wins.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 05:15:55 PM
Seem like management failure. Still it doesn't impugne the content of form 34s or doesn't mean alternative transmission failed.
Those are your own words. There wass NO Failure of Technology.

KEIMS did not fail. I know you wished it could but it didn't.

As for the telecoms excuse:
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You're making a big deal about failure of technology. It doesn't impugne the content of PHYSICAL form 34s As. One of explanation I have seen is that Telkom (the company) failed to transmit while Safaricom & Airtel did a good job. If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 05:19:54 PM
As usual, there are two sides to every allegation. Let Chilobye respond hopefully in public as well.


The memo hints at systematic failures...epic failures. Were they deliberate and did they advantage Jubilee? Nothing suggests thus.

But Jubilee has rabidly defended IEBC for reasons that are not too hard to guess. JUBILEE's position,if innocent' would have been very simple; NASWA bring 1001 ideas/demands so long as IEBC is agreeable to them.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
It's time we used the block chain to protect our vote. 
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
It is an irregularity and to borrow your own words: "The Court ruled against your position".

I also find it funny that you would consider a forgery good enough proof of votes.

Let me explain something: The moment Maraga asked Muite if those security features were expected in all the forms, his answer that yes they were KILLED your case. I could not understand why he chose to answer that question and above all why he invited it.

Courts are allergic to illegalities, irregularities and while at it forgeries. They cannot sanitize them.

So we get it clear: Any entries on a forgery are null and void to the extent that it purports to mimic a legal document. There were no votes to be invalidated Pundit. They never existed.
Seem like management failure. Still it doesn't impugne the content of form 34s or doesn't mean alternative transmission failed.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2017, 06:47:17 PM
Just saw a response from the reactionaries at IEBC.



Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 06:49:05 PM
It is split down the middle.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 06:59:26 PM
How many are they in total? Wonder if Chebukati is all alone. He saw Maraga's courage and decided there's no way I'm letting my name be soiled. This is why he refused to resign. So he could SHOW that he did nothing dirty.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 07:02:42 PM
On social media people are saying that many of those unauthorized forms were printed by the same Mombasa company that prints Safcom scratch cards. I wonder if this is true.

But Im still wondering about no. 11. Most damning thing (in my view) among the other damning things. It shows faking.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:08:55 PM
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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:11:38 PM
It does not matter what the commissioners say, the Chairman has released information that is devastating.

It is within his powers to discipline Chiloba.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 07:14:16 PM
It does not matter what the commissioners say, the Chairman has released information that is devastating.

It is within his powers to discipline Chiloba.
There's no place for unilateral decisions in modern corporate world and is love to believe IEBC is modelled around such.

If this Mluhya is alone in covering his ass, he got it bad
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: patel on September 07, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
#5 This 2 characters should be investigated Paul Mugo and Boniface Wamae. For Chiloba, did he order Chebukati username and password created before or after Msando death?

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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:20:49 PM
Again, that is a plausible defense strategy. Very convinient now. People will be wondering whether ALL the decisions Chiloba took had a collegial / boardroom approval? For instance not deploying scanners and Sat phones was not decided by the entire board, was it?

How about the edict on stamping ballots?

Again my point is not to discuss the latest developments of this afro sinema but to state that as a credible body to conduct presidential elections, it is not viable. I am sure Pundit will join you to split hairs on the decision making processes and why the 4 anti-reform commissioners are right. The SCOK has found the IEBC culpable. They need to undertake major changes. If not, the judgment will be out soon and the parties will run to the courts demanding those changes BEFORE elections.


It does not matter what the commissioners say, the Chairman has released information that is devastating.

It is within his powers to discipline Chiloba.
There's no place for unilateral decisions in modern corporate world and is love to believe IEBC is modelled around such.

If this Mluhya is alone in covering his ass, he got it bad
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:43:02 PM
Chiloba does not have plenty of respect for the law. He will suffer a serious correction:

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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:51:34 PM
They didn't have a common plan. The Commissioners confirm the memo and the NIS hacks Chebukati's twitter handle to deny it:

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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 07:55:08 PM
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2017, 08:00:52 PM
It does not matter what the commissioners say, the Chairman has released information that is devastating.

It is within his powers to discipline Chiloba.
There's no place for unilateral decisions in modern corporate world and is love to believe IEBC is modelled around such.

If this Mluhya is alone in covering his ass, he got it bad

The mluhya should sing like a canary to whoever cares to listen.  I am now convinced, as I said before, that this shit went down without his knowledge.  It's been pretty obvious to me that the chebukati user id, was not exactly his, or at a minimum he had no idea how it was being used.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 08:07:04 PM
They didn't have a common plan. The Commissioners confirm the memo and the NIS hacks Chebukati's twitter handle to deny it:

Do you need to be on twitter to view Chebukati's tweets? Because I have looked at his twitter account and the only tweet I see is from yesterday, 6th September and doesn' mention the memo.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 08:33:18 PM
Ok this is now confusing. How are they going to hold re-run with these divisions. Seem Chebukati has decide to go solo - to ran the commission and secretariat.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 08:48:32 PM
More drama..Paul Kurgat denies the statement
This is to kindly inform you that I was not consulted or briefed on the statement attributed to IEBC commissioners and sent to the newsrooms this evening. I encourage my colleaques to make use of our internal mechanisms and opportunities. I had fruitful discussions this evening with Bishop Alfred Rotich at Waumini house during which the statement was released.
Commissioner Kurgat
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2017, 08:51:30 PM
More drama..Paul Kurgat denies the statement
This is to kindly inform you that I was not consulted or briefed on the statement attributed to IEBC commissioners and sent to the newsrooms this evening. I encourage my colleaques to make use of our internal mechanisms and opportunities. I had fruitful discussions this evening with Bishop Alfred Rotich at Waumini house during which the statement was released.
Commissioner Kurgat

They are in meltdown mode.  It will be a miracle if they can pull off the election.  This is even before the ruling is out, not to mention potential court cases.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 07, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
The court through a decision or the parliament can find a way extend the voting date into next year while we fix the IEBC.

Ok this is now confusing. How are they going to hold re-run with these divisions. Seem Chebukati has decide to go solo - to ran the commission and secretariat.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 08:53:46 PM
More drama..Paul Kurgat denies the statement
This is to kindly inform you that I was not consulted or briefed on the statement attributed to IEBC commissioners and sent to the newsrooms this evening. I encourage my colleaques to make use of our internal mechanisms and opportunities. I had fruitful discussions this evening with Bishop Alfred Rotich at Waumini house during which the statement was released.
Commissioner Kurgat
Personally, I was waiting for the Luhya lady called Margarate to disown it. I still am. Interesting that it is Kurgat.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 08:59:32 PM
ALL Mexican TV Soap Operas cancelled, here is the New Kid on the Block:

Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 09:07:30 PM
Too bad for Connie Maina; Two of the five have denied the circular she sent making it null and void:
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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
Nusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioners should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered or that reason.

Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.

We just need the election asap so we can move on.

The court through a decision or the parliament can find a way extend the voting date into next year while we fix the IEBC.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Uhuru won nothing. The court ruled:
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As to whether the irregularities and illegalities affected the integrity of the election, the court was satisfied that they did
and thereby impugning the integrity of the entire Presidential Election
Nusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioner should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered for that reason. Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 09:19:44 PM
Nusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioners should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered or that reason.

Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.

We just need the election asap so we can move on.

The court through a decision or the parliament can find a way extend the voting date into next year while we fix the IEBC.
Why would this mean nusu mkate? Uhuru and Ruto amd their cabinet would continue as is. Personally, I would support it if it came from IEBC itself and wasnt too long (not next year). IEBC can rrequest international expert help and run the election in two or three months. No one wants nusu mkate. I just keep hearing this from paranoid Uhuru.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 07, 2017, 09:24:20 PM
Too bad for Connie Maina; Two of the five have denied the circular she sent making it null and void:


Does it take a meeting to issue a statement?
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 07, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
RV Pundit is still stunned by the 9/1/2017 SCOK ruling. Which part of null and void is he having problems with.

Uhuru won nothing. The court ruled:
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As to whether the irregularities and illegalities affected the integrity of the election, the court was satisfied that they did
and thereby impugning the integrity of the entire Presidential Election
Nusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioner should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered for that reason. Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
Who is the second commissioner who has denied it?
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 09:40:57 PM
Uhuru won nothing. The court ruled:
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As to whether the irregularities and illegalities affected the integrity of the election, the court was satisfied that they did
and thereby impugning the integrity of the entire Presidential Election
Nusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioner should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered for that reason. Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.


I'm not sure why jubilee would think for one minute that nasa would want to share government with electoral criminals again.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 09:42:16 PM
The election needs to be put off until January to allow for all that issues to be ironed out and the riggers stated and charged.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: patel on September 07, 2017, 09:49:52 PM
friendly reminder to those who think things should have done kienyeji style...This was chiloba 3 days before elections

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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Empedocles on September 07, 2017, 09:54:11 PM
Funny thing is, all this noise on the IEBC mess reminds me of past yuge scandals like the NYS / Maize / Goldenberg etc.

A lot of finger pointing and tons of accusations flying thick and fast etc.

The similarities are amusingly uncanny, yet we fall for them time and time again. My bet is that zilch will happen, aside from some lowly scapegoat(s) being "disciplined", until we stop taking sides depending on our tribal...sorry...political inclination.

Well, at least we're being kept so busy we're, as usually, ignoring the bigger picture.

The show must go on.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Nefertiti on September 07, 2017, 10:38:22 PM

This beats NASA record of disappearing agents and their phones :)
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Nefertiti on September 07, 2017, 10:39:33 PM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 10:41:24 PM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 07, 2017, 11:15:32 PM
That is Connie's standpoint. She claimed that Chebukati had not consulted on the matter. She therefore paraded the numbers to show who had the might and right.

Unfortunately two have jumped from her ship, undermining the very point she was making... Iwinjo?

Too bad for Connie Maina; Two of the five have denied the circular she sent making it null and void:


Does it take a meeting to issue a statement?
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Nefertiti on September 07, 2017, 11:19:29 PM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...

I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...

I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.
You know, sometimes it's just better to seek clarification when you dont understand a point. It's much better than making them up and assigning them to others or mutilating their points.

Now, That which you refer to was not intended to make it "easier" for you to do anything, it was to counter an argument you made. Also it was a hypothetical example purely made to illustrate the simple point why judges need more than common sense assumptions to make factual findings.

A second time you misrepresent or create a fake argument for me. Just state and defend your own positions and stop paraphrasing if you dont do that well. Dishonest debating is annoying.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 11:40:11 PM
Now that i have had a chance to read the memo, I conclude that this is a very long arse covering note.  Is this Chebukati's "abidabit"? 

Uhuruto kwisha.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...

I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.


OK, you were indeed born free....
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 11:42:39 PM
Now that i have had a chance to read the memo, I conclude that this is a very long arse covering note.  Is this Chebukati's "abidabit"? 

Uhuruto kwisha.
He is saying "Hey, world, I wasn't part of this! Didn't even have a clue!" If he just quitely resigned he would forever look guilty. Great move on his part.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 11:45:07 PM
I think with all this drama and Jubilee's hunger for power, we now need to look out for a false flag event. 

Wanakenya tukae chonjo.

Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 07, 2017, 11:46:33 PM
He is saying "Hey, world, I wasn't part of this! Didn't even have a clue!" If he just quitely resigned he would forever look guilty. Great move on his part.

Something must have changed internally.  I wonder what has changed, this could also be an insurance policy.  Remember Msando found himself "suicided".

Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 07, 2017, 11:52:29 PM
He is saying "Hey, world, I wasn't part of this! Didn't even have a clue!" If he just quitely resigned he would forever look guilty. Great move on his part.

Something must have changed internally.  I wonder what has changed, this could also be an insurance policy.  Remember Msando found himself "suicided".
Also, the example of the SCOK and how well their decision to stick to the rule of law was received. That's why you need a strong judiciary and good public examples. It gives other people courage to also do the right thing. This is how you begin to build a culture of rule of law, not just rules. That's my take. SCOK judgment has a lot of impact, good or bad, especially regarding the running of independent public institutions.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 08, 2017, 12:05:41 AM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...

I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.

Here irregularities=rigging and rigging=jubilee rigging
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 08, 2017, 12:25:46 AM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...

I crossed the innocent fumbling line a few days ago.  Rather late if you ask me.  Maybe if I see one full result transmission from source polling stations to destination server, I might harbor unreasonable doubts.  1 out 40,883.  The portal and myriads of implausible but not impossible explanations for why all manner of things were missing had me fooled for a while.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: MOON Ki on September 08, 2017, 01:51:54 AM
Astonishing.  Bungling, bumbling, fumbling ... whatever *-ling ... If the facts are as set in that memo---and Chebukati ought to know---then it's hard to see why anyone should believe that in just a few weeks the IEBC will suddenly turn around and do a proper job.   Some of what was required does not even seem to be terribly complicated, and they have had 4 years and tens of billions of shillings to get things right.   And, after 2013, they were already "on notice".   

Time to outsource.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: KenyanPlato on September 08, 2017, 02:33:05 AM
same results will be produced by these novices. The only way is to give Raila nusu Mkate and call it a day. Raila will be happy to retire as a rt honorable president deputy to assistant President. For gods sake mae a title and give it to Raila
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 08, 2017, 04:04:58 AM
Everyone is finding ever more ingenious ways of bolting from jubilee house of cards... .

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 :D
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Nefertiti on September 08, 2017, 06:08:59 AM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...

I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.

Here irregularities=rigging and rigging=jubilee rigging

Indeed. Commonsense dictates it :) It gives people hope that NASA will win. It may yet be proven right.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Nefertiti on September 08, 2017, 06:24:13 AM
Everyone is finding ever more ingenious ways of bolting from jubilee house of cards... .

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 :D

Pundit's buddy Generali Korir in trouble. A joint petition...
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 08, 2017, 07:18:43 AM
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.

The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.

You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged?  Wow...

I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.

Here irregularities=rigging and rigging=jubilee rigging

Indeed. Commonsense dictates it :) It gives people hope that NASA will win. It may yet be proven right.
There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requiremenr
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 08, 2017, 11:54:33 AM
Astonishing.  Bungling, bumbling, fumbling ... whatever *-ling ... If the facts are as set in that memo---and Chebukati ought to know---then it's hard to see why anyone should believe that in just a few weeks the IEBC will suddenly turn around and do a proper job.   Some of what was required does not even seem to be terribly complicated, and they have had 4 years and tens of billions of shillings to get things right.   And, after 2013, they were already "on notice".   

Time to outsource.

There is incompetence.  Then there is the kind of cockup that can only be the result of a special effort.  I am now leaning on the latter explanation.  It's NYS redux.  The purpose?  It provides cover for all sorts of things from rigging to garden variety theft.  It's a cauldron of opportunity for certain types.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: GeeMail on September 08, 2017, 12:05:03 PM
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 08, 2017, 12:11:28 PM
There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requirement
It was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 08, 2017, 12:20:31 PM
There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requirement
It was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
Just flip it. The desperate belief that the 54% was clean. And everything else is imaginary. Because: photos. IEBC Chair says there are 682 polling stations with an identical number of rejected votes. Wants to know why. But these must be genuine unaltered results. Because there are no photos. Until you get a photo, nothing else counts. Etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 08, 2017, 12:44:25 PM
There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requirement
It was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
What part of the ruling are you reading this.

It was one of NASWA charges. The final ruling will bear this out. For now, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. If I supported NASWA, I'd cross my gonads that it was inflated to have a realistic chance at the rerun
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 08, 2017, 12:56:21 PM
I do not have to read it anywhere in the judgment, do I? NASA presented evidence among others supporting the 54% algorithm. This came under the broad effort to prove the IEBC bungled the poll. The 54% came as a result - not of voting - but result transmission.
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As to whether there were irregularities and illegalities committed in the conduct of the 2017 Presidential Election,
the court was satisfied that the 1st Respondent committed irregularities and illegalities inter alia, in the transmission of results
,
It was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
What part of the ruling are you reading this.

It was one of NASWA charges. The final ruling will bear this out. For now, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. If I supported NASWA, I'd cross my gonads that it was inflated to have a realistic chance at the rerun
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Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 08, 2017, 03:55:05 PM
I do not have to read it anywhere in the judgment, do I? NASA presented evidence among others supporting the 54% algorithm. This came under the broad effort to prove the IEBC bungled the poll. The 54% came as a result - not of voting - but result transmission.
Quote
As to whether there were irregularities and illegalities committed in the conduct of the 2017 Presidential Election,
the court was satisfied that the 1st Respondent committed irregularities and illegalities inter alia, in the transmission of results
,
It was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
What part of the ruling are you reading this.

It was one of NASWA charges. The final ruling will bear this out. For now, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. If I supported NASWA, I'd cross my gonads that it was inflated to have a realistic chance at the rerun
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There's clear charge of Uhuru misusing state resources, and another of stuffing in his favour. The full judgement will respond to these.

Anything else you read is embellished
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 08, 2017, 05:06:15 PM
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.

Because the result favored them.  Anything that risked that was to be opposed.  What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 08, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.

Because the result favored them.  Anything that risked that was to be opposed.  What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.

Nothing puzzling; they assume IEBC is in their pockets or a broken IEBC is better than nothing
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 08, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.

Because the result favored them.  Anything that risked that was to be opposed.  What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.
Correction: their support of the anti-reformist side or at least their blocking of the attempts at a cleanup. Especially considering that they are supposed to be the most negatively affected by IEBC's "fumbling".
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 08, 2017, 05:30:25 PM
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.

Because the result favored them.  Anything that risked that was to be opposed.  What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.

Nothing puzzling; they assume IEBC is in their pockets or a broken IEBC is better than nothing

It is puzzling.  Because they blame IEBC for the problems that negatively impacted them in the petition.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 08, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.

Because the result favored them.  Anything that risked that was to be opposed.  What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.
Correction: their support of the anti-reformist side or at least their blocking of the attempts at a cleanup. Especially considering that they are supposed to be the most negatively affected by IEBC's "fumbling".

Yes.  Even more puzzling that they do not want IEBC to fix what they readily admit are IEBC's faults.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 08, 2017, 08:17:54 PM
I never understood and it seems the SCOK judges never understood/accepted Jubilee's argument that the numbers were correct but what failed was the transmission. The transmission gadgets transmitted the data that was feed to them.  The issue here is whether the data was manipulated. It is now clear that it was and the SCOK agreed by declaring the elections null and void. So far their is no evidence in the failure of technology.  The only complaint is that the technology was not used, under used or manipulated.


You're making a big deal about failure of technology. It doesn't impugne the content of PHYSICAL form 34s As. One of explanation I have seen is that Telkom (the company) failed to transmit while Safaricom & Airtel did a good job. If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
Some people are incorrigible:

The form 34 are not just pieces of paper. They exist by law for a specific purpose. They have a lifespan dictated by law. First they are designated and designed by specifications set by the IEBC based on certain considerations. In this case possible fraud required that they have security features. That in effect permanently removed the possibility of using a textbook (acceptable as it may to others!)

The form is delivered and signed for and its serial number and other features noted. It has the names of the candidates PRINTED in a prescribed uniform manner - something that proved useful in detecting fraud this year!

On use, it is filled in with prescribed information, agents signatures obtained or the absence of explained, totals entered and finally the owner of the document - be it returning officer or Presiding Officer - appends his / her signature and other security provisions be it a rubber stamp or secret number etc.

The law requires that the form be transmitted electronically. It is scanned and then transmitted.

Any variation from the above is illegal. If a different form is used the information on it is invalid. It is possible for the IEBC to provide replacements or probably two or more copies where the unused is surrendered, accounted for before the announcement of results.

The Chairman's letter reflects the findings in court based on evidence which was NOT contradicted.

As for numbers, when I wrote about nearly 5 million votes I was ridiculed. How can one say anybody won when 5 million votes cannot be accounted for?:

(http://omollosview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/chiloba-6.jpg)

Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 08, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
I never understood and it seems the SCOK judges never understood/accepted Jubilee's argument that the numbers were correct but what failed was the transmission. The transmission gadgets transmitted the data that was feed to them.  The issue here is whether the data was manipulated. It is now clear that it was and the SCOK agreed by declaring the elections null and void. So far their is no evidence in the failure of technology.  The only complaint is that the technology was not used, under used or manipulated.

If there was failure, it was not raised by IEBC.  The window for that to sell is now somewhere in the past.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 08, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
Both arguments failed in respect of Jubilee.

NASA couléd easily prove that the failure to use the electronic transmission had greatly compromised the results.

NASA also produced evidence which showed that a large number of Form 34As were below the legal requirement or expected standard or were most likely fake. They were plain fakes, unsigned, unsigned by the returning officer etc. The total number of votes affected was 5 million. This was not contradicted by IEBC or Uhuru.

To make it worse their feeble attempts to counter that backfired spectacularly in court as four advocates fumbled and became objects of amusement with questions from the judges.

My experience says the more questions a party fields from the judge(s) and FAILS to answer satisfactorily, the greater the chances of his side losing. It is worse when you put on an embarrassing show as Muite did.

Then there are the two clowns who could not satisfy Justice Mwilu about the 5 votes not cast. That was about the high number and low number of rejected votes. You have the IEBC operating with 500K rejected votes one day and suddenly they are all gone and you have a small neat figure of 80K with Mombasa having 0 (ZERO) spoilt votes! The literacy rate in Nairobi is HIGHER than Mombasa. The higher the Illiteracy the higher the number of spoilt votes!



I never understood and it seems the SCOK judges never understood/accepted Jubilee's argument that the numbers were correct but what failed was the transmission. The transmission gadgets transmitted the data that was feed to them.  The issue here is whether the data was manipulated. It is now clear that it was and the SCOK agreed by declaring the elections null and void. So far their is no evidence in the failure of technology.  The only complaint is that the technology was not used, under used or manipulated.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 08, 2017, 08:33:09 PM
The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 08, 2017, 08:44:10 PM

They are deliberately misleading their followers with this argument and I am tired of hearing them parroting it without thinking. Its like one caught lying about ones age then one arguing that it is his mouth/tongue/vocal cords that failed to transmit the correct information.

Both arguments failed in respect of Jubilee.

NASA couléd easily prove that the failure to use the electronic transmission had greatly compromised the results.

NASA also produced evidence which showed that a large number of Form 34As were below the legal requirement or expected standard or were most likely fake. They were plain fakes, unsigned, unsigned by the returning officer etc. The total number of votes affected was 5 million. This was not contradicted by IEBC or Uhuru.

To make it worse their feeble attempts to counter that backfired spectacularly in court as four advocates fumbled and became objects of amusement with questions from the judges.

My experience says the more questions a party fields from the judge(s) and FAILS to answer satisfactorily, the greater the chances of his side losing. It is worse when you put on an embarrassing show as Muite did.

Then there are the two clowns who could not satisfy Justice Mwilu about the 5 votes not cast. That was about the high number and low number of rejected votes. You have the IEBC operating with 500K rejected votes one day and suddenly they are all gone and you have a small neat figure of 80K with Mombasa having 0 (ZERO) spoilt votes! The literacy rate in Nairobi is HIGHER than Mombasa. The higher the Illiteracy the higher the number of spoilt votes!



I never understood and it seems the SCOK judges never understood/accepted Jubilee's argument that the numbers were correct but what failed was the transmission. The transmission gadgets transmitted the data that was feed to them.  The issue here is whether the data was manipulated. It is now clear that it was and the SCOK agreed by declaring the elections null and void. So far their is no evidence in the failure of technology.  The only complaint is that the technology was not used, under used or manipulated.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 09, 2017, 01:39:24 PM
Thanks for the Otiende Youtubes. I had to run out of Church (I do escort someone on Saturday to Maraga's Church) when I started watching Muite and Macharia fumbling.

The IEBC stated in court that ALL the electronically transmitted results were NOT results. Count how many votes those are.

I really have no idea how they expected to win that case, do you? When you present a lousy case, you lose. That is the written law.


They are deliberately misleading their followers with this argument and I am tired of hearing them parroting it without thinking. Its like one caught lying about ones age then one arguing that it is his mouth/tongue/vocal cords that failed to transmit the correct information
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: bryan275 on September 09, 2017, 02:05:20 PM
The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.

That third server you mentioned here before?  Apparently the GPRS of the KIEMS would have prove that some of them were trasmitting from hotels in NBO, and those dodgy polling stations.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 09, 2017, 02:14:14 PM
Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.

The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.

That third server you mentioned here before?  Apparently the GPRS of the KIEMS would have prove that some of them were trasmitting from hotels in NBO, and those dodgy polling stations.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Omollo on September 09, 2017, 02:22:07 PM
KM

Find and post the video of Chebukati declaring the results. You will notice many things that will shine some light on what happened. Note the people going to obtain the signatures.... Note him stammering when he realizes that Mombasa has 0 (ZERO) spoilt votes. There is no democracy anywhere on earth where more than 10 people ^vote and you find 0 spoilt votes.

Deviation: Spoilt votes cannot be ignored. The case for these must be made strongly. People in many democracies use spoilt, blank or rejected votes to make a political point that cannot be ignored in a country whose constitution guarantees public participation and sovereignty to "the people".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilt_vote
Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.

The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.

That third server you mentioned here before?  Apparently the GPRS of the KIEMS would have prove that some of them were trasmitting from hotels in NBO, and those dodgy polling stations.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 09, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.
KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.

I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 09, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.

That third server you mentioned here before?  Apparently the GPRS of the KIEMS would have prove that some of them were trasmitting from hotels in NBO, and those dodgy polling stations.

It's safe to say most polling stations KIEMS transmitted the results electronically.  I haven't heard any complaints of a problem there.  It's also true that the results were not received on the server that IEBC reluctantly granted access to.

The POs were firing off the results and scans to somewhere.  Was there more than one server?  Did IEBC grant access to the wrong server in response to SCOK's order?  It's all so vague that only a full ICT audit - not just server access - is called for, ideally after the entire ICT department leadership is fired.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 09, 2017, 03:13:35 PM
NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution.  The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election.  There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process. 

Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.
KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.

I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 09, 2017, 03:42:40 PM
NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution.  The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election.  There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process. 

Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.
KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.

I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 09, 2017, 04:37:49 PM
I personally do not sympathize with Chebukati, he knew there were shenanigans going on and he was ready to cover it up until Maraga's court called him out.  Had the court ruled in their favor, I do not think Chebukati would have written that Memo to Chiloba.  However, chebukati still seems to be the lesser of the two evils and the harder one to get rid of. NASA does not have good options because they are out of power.

NASA can: 1) agree to the 10/17/2017 election date with a special secretariat as put together by Chebukati with all the rigging landmines still intact in the system.  2) boycott the elections and Ouru rides to the presidency unopposed 3) suggest a nusu makate caretaker government while a new commission is put into place and invite ridicule from all sides. Unless the court comes up with another bombshell in their findings, #1 is the best option for NASA. Also, if IEBC, collapses on its own then NASA can ask for a caretaker government while a new commission and secretariat is put together. All tough choices.

NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution.  The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election.  There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process. 

Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.
KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.

I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kadame7 on September 09, 2017, 04:47:12 PM
Kichwa, I don't see why there needs to be a nusu mkate govt in any event. If Chebukati needs some more time, he can get three more months with the govt as is. Why is no. 3 the only other option? Of those three you've listed, no. 2 is the best for me. No. 1 is horrible and no. 3 is out of the question. If Jubilee do what has been said by Higgins, there is absolutely no point in going for elections.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 09, 2017, 06:03:48 PM
I personally do not sympathize with Chebukati, he knew there were shenanigans going on and he was ready to cover it up until Maraga's court called him out.  Had the court ruled in their favor, I do not think Chebukati would have written that Memo to Chiloba.  However, chebukati still seems to be the lesser of the two evils and the harder one to get rid of. NASA does not have good options because they are out of power.

NASA can: 1) agree to the 10/17/2017 election date with a special secretariat as put together by Chebukati with all the rigging landmines still intact in the system.  2) boycott the elections and Ouru rides to the presidency unopposed 3) suggest a nusu makate caretaker government while a new commission is put into place and invite ridicule from all sides. Unless the court comes up with another bombshell in their findings, #1 is the best option for NASA. Also, if IEBC, collapses on its own then NASA can ask for a caretaker government while a new commission and secretariat is put together. All tough choices.

NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution.  The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election.  There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process. 

Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.
KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.

I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.

Actually NASWA has zero options
1. Nobody is even entertaining nusu mkate
2. Boycotting elections saves Jubilee time and money
3. 17th is irreversible

Their ONLY shot is pushing for accountability and transparency from IEBC as they campaign. But they also need to be transparent themselves in their interactions  with IEBC. Every meeting, every progress should be publicised as much as frustrations. Otherwise Jubilee will control the narrative .

They can also pray that their petitions will succeed and ruin Jubilee's tyranny
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 09, 2017, 06:47:41 PM
Just because NASA's options are not apparent to you does not mean they do not have any. Some options are not for public discussion.


I personally do not sympathize with Chebukati, he knew there were shenanigans going on and he was ready to cover it up until Maraga's court called him out.  Had the court ruled in their favor, I do not think Chebukati would have written that Memo to Chiloba.  However, chebukati still seems to be the lesser of the two evils and the harder one to get rid of. NASA does not have good options because they are out of power.

NASA can: 1) agree to the 10/17/2017 election date with a special secretariat as put together by Chebukati with all the rigging landmines still intact in the system.  2) boycott the elections and Ouru rides to the presidency unopposed 3) suggest a nusu makate caretaker government while a new commission is put into place and invite ridicule from all sides. Unless the court comes up with another bombshell in their findings, #1 is the best option for NASA. Also, if IEBC, collapses on its own then NASA can ask for a caretaker government while a new commission and secretariat is put together. All tough choices.

NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution.  The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election.  There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process. 

Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.
KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.

I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.

Actually NASWA has zero options
1. Nobody is even entertaining nusu mkate
2. Boycotting elections saves Jubilee time and money
3. 17th is irreversible

Their ONLY shot is pushing for accountability and transparency from IEBC as they campaign. But they also need to be transparent themselves in their interactions  with IEBC. Every meeting, every progress should be publicised as much as frustrations. Otherwise Jubilee will control the narrative .

They can also pray that their petitions will succeed and ruin Jubilee's tyranny
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: Kichwa on September 09, 2017, 06:51:13 PM
Its more complex than that.  This president has very limited powers legally cannot therefore constitute a new Commission if that were to be the case.  You may therefore need an interim arrangement for the government to fully function if more time is required.

Kichwa, I don't see why there needs to be a nusu mkate govt in any event. If Chebukati needs some more time, he can get three more months with the govt as is. Why is no. 3 the only other option? Of those three you've listed, no. 2 is the best for me. No. 1 is horrible and no. 3 is out of the question. If Jubilee do what has been said by Higgins, there is absolutely no point in going for elections.
Title: Re: Chebukati's Tough Memo to Chiloba
Post by: vooke on September 09, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
Just because NASA's options are not apparent to you does not mean they do not have any. Some options are not for public discussion.


I personally do not sympathize with Chebukati, he knew there were shenanigans going on and he was ready to cover it up until Maraga's court called him out.  Had the court ruled in their favor, I do not think Chebukati would have written that Memo to Chiloba.  However, chebukati still seems to be the lesser of the two evils and the harder one to get rid of. NASA does not have good options because they are out of power.

NASA can: 1) agree to the 10/17/2017 election date with a special secretariat as put together by Chebukati with all the rigging landmines still intact in the system.  2) boycott the elections and Ouru rides to the presidency unopposed 3) suggest a nusu makate caretaker government while a new commission is put into place and invite ridicule from all sides. Unless the court comes up with another bombshell in their findings, #1 is the best option for NASA. Also, if IEBC, collapses on its own then NASA can ask for a caretaker government while a new commission and secretariat is put together. All tough choices.

NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution.  The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election.  There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process. 

Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won.  You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's.  At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born.  Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification.  Did the same men came to see him.  Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.
KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.

I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.

Actually NASWA has zero options
1. Nobody is even entertaining nusu mkate
2. Boycotting elections saves Jubilee time and money
3. 17th is irreversible

Their ONLY shot is pushing for accountability and transparency from IEBC as they campaign. But they also need to be transparent themselves in their interactions  with IEBC. Every meeting, every progress should be publicised as much as frustrations. Otherwise Jubilee will control the narrative .

They can also pray that their petitions will succeed and ruin Jubilee's tyranny
Sure, their options are limited by your imagination