Did Chiloba deliberately sabotage the General Elections in entirety? It's only proper we have Commission of Inquiry #ChebukatiMemoToChiloba
— Donald B Kipkorir (@DonaldBKipkorir) September 7, 2017
5. The Commission spent about Ksh 848 Million to purchase satellite phones that Never worked , Respond Chiloba #ChebukatiMemoToChiloba
— Charles Mark Dienya (@CharlesDienya) September 7, 2017
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
This is why they keep on screaming that they have unassailable numbers. It's a part of psychological preparation for rigging. There numbers are not what it's purported to be. They have good numbers but so does NASA. These people are very beatable in a free and fair elections.
Pundit, what about no. 11? And do you still think the President's attacks on the judiciary are warranted? Let him direct his wrath at Chiloba and crew and leave the judges alone.
No 11- I again Chiloba should respond and explain. I don't know the context. Is this form 34A/B or text -in data and where are those polling stations.
I still agree with dissenting judges that failure of technology like here -is not enough to overturn election - unless one can show those errors somehow affected the credibility of the polls.
In short - even form 34A on full-scap or exercise book - would still be sufficient for me - if indeed it reflect the will of the people. You need to proof the content of full scrap are not true.Pundit, what about no. 11? And do you still think the President's attacks on the judiciary are warranted? Let him direct his wrath at Chiloba and crew and leave the judges alone.
I think the standard adopted here is to borrow Muite's phrase, abundance of caution. You have forms with security features at great cost, but instead you see full-scaps. You have transmission technology at great cost, but instead you have people trooping into Bomas some of them with full-scaps.No explanation was provided for the forgeries
Because all these features are in place so that we can know what the will of the people is, in the event of their massive failure we cannot claim to know what that will was in the first place.
I think the standard adopted here is to borrow Muite's phrase, abundance of caution. You have forms with security features at great cost, but instead you see full-scaps. You have transmission technology at great cost, but instead you have people trooping into Bomas some of them with full-scaps.
Because all these features are in place so that we can know what the will of the people is, in the event of their massive failure we cannot claim to know what that will was in the first place.
Some people are incorrigible:
The form 34 are not just pieces of paper. They exist by law for a specific purpose. They have a lifespan dictated by law. First they are designated and designed by specifications set by the IEBC based on certain considerations. In this case possible fraud required that they have security features. That in effect permanently removed the possibility of using a textbook (acceptable as it may to others!)
The form is delivered and signed for and its serial number and other features noted. It has the names of the candidates PRINTED in a prescribed uniform manner - something that proved useful in detecting fraud this year!
On use, it is filled in with prescribed information, agents signatures obtained or the absence of explained, totals entered and finally the owner of the document - be it returning officer or Presiding Officer - appends his / her signature and other security provisions be it a rubber stamp or secret number etc.
The law requires that the form be transmitted electronically. It is scanned and then transmitted.
Any variation from the above is illegal. If a different form is used the information on it is invalid. It is possible for the IEBC to provide replacements or probably two or more copies where the unused is surrendered, accounted for before the announcement of results.
The Chairman's letter reflects the findings in court based on evidence which was NOT contradicted.
As for numbers, when I wrote about nearly 5 million votes I was ridiculed. How can one say anybody won when 5 million votes cannot be accounted for?:
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So, Chiloba spent about 2.5M per Satellite phone?? The nerve on these people! The last time I purchased a Sat phone (2004), one was 180k!!
— Luanda Magere (@MagereLuanda) September 7, 2017
You're making a big deal about failure of technology. It doesn't impugne the content of PHYSICAL form 34s As. One of explanation I have seen is that Telkom (the company) failed to transmit while Safaricom & Airtel did a good job. If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
We have no evidence of that Jubilee didn't win. It easy to tender evidence of manipulation. NASA had agents. It quite simple to get a long list of altered or manipulated results.The numbers released by Ndii on behalf of NASA, with which he claimed NASA had won were almost immediately shown to be completely wrong (showed a Jubilee win) and he quickly deleted his tweet (but not before countless screenshots were made).
They can start with simple excel
Polling station Votes as counted at Polling Votes as appeared in Final 34s.
The can easily verify that using agent copies, copy attached to polling station and pictures taken when voting was underway.
The lack of this evidence is what makes me believe IEBC just fumbled on matters TECHNOLOGY- although compared to 2013 - they did better - system collapsed then at 30% transmission of TEXT result only.This is why they keep on screaming that they have unassailable numbers. It's a part of psychological preparation for rigging. There numbers are not what it's purported to be. They have good numbers but so does NASA. These people are very beatable in a free and fair elections.
Those are your own words. There wass NO Failure of Technology.
KEIMS did not fail. I know you wished it could but it didn't.
As for the telecoms excuse:
(http://omollosview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/chiloba-9.jpg)You're making a big deal about failure of technology. It doesn't impugne the content of PHYSICAL form 34s As. One of explanation I have seen is that Telkom (the company) failed to transmit while Safaricom & Airtel did a good job. If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.
Seem like management failure. Still it doesn't impugne the content of form 34s or doesn't mean alternative transmission failed.
The alleged memo from the Commission: here are the facts pic.twitter.com/lyEl99cylr
— IEBC (@IEBCKenya) September 7, 2017
It does not matter what the commissioners say, the Chairman has released information that is devastating.There's no place for unilateral decisions in modern corporate world and is love to believe IEBC is modelled around such.
It is within his powers to discipline Chiloba.
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It does not matter what the commissioners say, the Chairman has released information that is devastating.There's no place for unilateral decisions in modern corporate world and is love to believe IEBC is modelled around such.
It is within his powers to discipline Chiloba.
If this Mluhya is alone in covering his ass, he got it bad
IEBC vice chair Connie Nkatha & 4 commissioners disown damning Chebukati memo to Chiloba. It's now open revolt at the commission pic.twitter.com/7OPTSJFFZG
— Larry Madowo (@LarryMadowo) September 7, 2017
It does not matter what the commissioners say, the Chairman has released information that is devastating.There's no place for unilateral decisions in modern corporate world and is love to believe IEBC is modelled around such.
It is within his powers to discipline Chiloba.
If this Mluhya is alone in covering his ass, he got it bad
They didn't have a common plan. The Commissioners confirm the memo and the NIS hacks Chebukati's twitter handle to deny it:
More drama..Paul Kurgat denies the statement
This is to kindly inform you that I was not consulted or briefed on the statement attributed to IEBC commissioners and sent to the newsrooms this evening. I encourage my colleaques to make use of our internal mechanisms and opportunities. I had fruitful discussions this evening with Bishop Alfred Rotich at Waumini house during which the statement was released.
Commissioner Kurgat
Ok this is now confusing. How are they going to hold re-run with these divisions. Seem Chebukati has decide to go solo - to ran the commission and secretariat.
More drama..Paul Kurgat denies the statementPersonally, I was waiting for the Luhya lady called Margarate to disown it. I still am. Interesting that it is Kurgat.
This is to kindly inform you that I was not consulted or briefed on the statement attributed to IEBC commissioners and sent to the newsrooms this evening. I encourage my colleaques to make use of our internal mechanisms and opportunities. I had fruitful discussions this evening with Bishop Alfred Rotich at Waumini house during which the statement was released.
Commissioner Kurgat
IEBC COMMISSIONER Paul Kurgat distances himself from statement showing five officials disowning memo by Chairperson Chebukati to CEO Chiloba pic.twitter.com/9Ia0GciQHM
— Nation Breaking News (@NationBreaking) September 7, 2017
The court through a decision or the parliament can find a way extend the voting date into next year while we fix the IEBC.
As to whether the irregularities and illegalities affected the integrity of the election, the court was satisfied that they did
and thereby impugning the integrity of the entire Presidential Election
Nusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioner should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered for that reason. Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.
Nusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioners should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered or that reason.Why would this mean nusu mkate? Uhuru and Ruto amd their cabinet would continue as is. Personally, I would support it if it came from IEBC itself and wasnt too long (not next year). IEBC can rrequest international expert help and run the election in two or three months. No one wants nusu mkate. I just keep hearing this from paranoid Uhuru.
Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.
We just need the election asap so we can move on.The court through a decision or the parliament can find a way extend the voting date into next year while we fix the IEBC.
Too bad for Connie Maina; Two of the five have denied the circular she sent making it null and void:
Uhuru won nothing. The court ruled:QuoteAs to whether the irregularities and illegalities affected the integrity of the election, the court was satisfied that they did
and thereby impugning the integrity of the entire Presidential ElectionNusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioner should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered for that reason. Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.
Uhuru won nothing. The court ruled:QuoteAs to whether the irregularities and illegalities affected the integrity of the election, the court was satisfied that they did
and thereby impugning the integrity of the entire Presidential ElectionNusu mkate pap. Nope let them fight and whoever remain standing can hold election. The commissioner should vote on issues. They are odd-numbered for that reason. Uhuru should insist on election - however sham - coz he already won and has the mandate of the people in parliament and elsewhere.
[/url]Latest memo from @IEBCKenya RT and share widely... pic.twitter.com/vNuSUTzMVb
— Mzalendo Halisi Foundation (@UtuNaUzalendoKE) August 5, 2017
5. The Commission spent about Ksh 848 Million to purchase satellite phones that Never worked , Respond Chiloba #ChebukatiMemoToChiloba
— Charles Mark Dienya (@CharlesDienya) September 7, 2017
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
Too bad for Connie Maina; Two of the five have denied the circular she sent making it null and void:
Does it take a meeting to issue a statement?
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged? Wow...
You know, sometimes it's just better to seek clarification when you dont understand a point. It's much better than making them up and assigning them to others or mutilating their points.I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged? Wow...
I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged? Wow...
I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.
Now that i have had a chance to read the memo, I conclude that this is a very long arse covering note. Is this Chebukati's "abidabit"?He is saying "Hey, world, I wasn't part of this! Didn't even have a clue!" If he just quitely resigned he would forever look guilty. Great move on his part.
Uhuruto kwisha.
He is saying "Hey, world, I wasn't part of this! Didn't even have a clue!" If he just quitely resigned he would forever look guilty. Great move on his part.
Also, the example of the SCOK and how well their decision to stick to the rule of law was received. That's why you need a strong judiciary and good public examples. It gives other people courage to also do the right thing. This is how you begin to build a culture of rule of law, not just rules. That's my take. SCOK judgment has a lot of impact, good or bad, especially regarding the running of independent public institutions.He is saying "Hey, world, I wasn't part of this! Didn't even have a clue!" If he just quitely resigned he would forever look guilty. Great move on his part.
Something must have changed internally. I wonder what has changed, this could also be an insurance policy. Remember Msando found himself "suicided".
Here irregularities=rigging and rigging=jubilee riggingI wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged? Wow...
I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.
I wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged? Wow...
Here irregularities=rigging and rigging=jubilee riggingI wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged? Wow...
I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.
Everyone is finding ever more ingenious ways of bolting from jubilee house of cards... .
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There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requiremenrHere irregularities=rigging and rigging=jubilee riggingI wonder if Robina and vooke will still insist on the innocent fumbling line after this.... :D I won't ask about Pundit because I know he will always support Jubilee and I don't begrudge him his loyalty to Ruto.
The detailed ruling beckons... I imagine the justices are burning the midnight oil over it.
You honestly hand on heart don't believe that the elections were rigged? Wow...
I don't know it was rigged. Show me a single copy of the original/unforged forms; otherwise let us wait for the detailed ruling, no hurry. It's called suspending judgement. There have been suggestions here that the rigger could as well be some crooked businessman :) -- that should make it easier for us Doubting Thomases to accept the unproven rigging claims. No takers sorry.
Indeed. Commonsense dictates it :) It gives people hope that NASA will win. It may yet be proven right.
Astonishing. Bungling, bumbling, fumbling ... whatever *-ling ... If the facts are as set in that memo---and Chebukati ought to know---then it's hard to see why anyone should believe that in just a few weeks the IEBC will suddenly turn around and do a proper job. Some of what was required does not even seem to be terribly complicated, and they have had 4 years and tens of billions of shillings to get things right. And, after 2013, they were already "on notice".
Time to outsource.
There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requirementIt was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
Just flip it. The desperate belief that the 54% was clean. And everything else is imaginary. Because: photos. IEBC Chair says there are 682 polling stations with an identical number of rejected votes. Wants to know why. But these must be genuine unaltered results. Because there are no photos. Until you get a photo, nothing else counts. Etc etc etc.There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requirementIt was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
What part of the ruling are you reading this.There's a desperate belief that 54% was stuffed. To reasonably support NASWA, that's a minimum requirementIt was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?
As to whether there were irregularities and illegalities committed in the conduct of the 2017 Presidential Election,
the court was satisfied that the 1st Respondent committed irregularities and illegalities inter alia, in the transmission of results,
It was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?What part of the ruling are you reading this.
I do not have to read it anywhere in the judgment, do I? NASA presented evidence among others supporting the 54% algorithm. This came under the broad effort to prove the IEBC bungled the poll. The 54% came as a result - not of voting - but result transmission.[/quote]QuoteAs to whether there were irregularities and illegalities committed in the conduct of the 2017 Presidential Election,
the court was satisfied that the 1st Respondent committed irregularities and illegalities inter alia, in the transmission of results,It was proven in court beyond doubt. What is your point?What part of the ruling are you reading this.
It was one of NASWA charges. The final ruling will bear this out. For now, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. If I supported NASWA, I'd cross my gonads that it was inflated to have a realistic chance at the rerun
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.
Because the result favored them. Anything that risked that was to be opposed. What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.
Correction: their support of the anti-reformist side or at least their blocking of the attempts at a cleanup. Especially considering that they are supposed to be the most negatively affected by IEBC's "fumbling".It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.
Because the result favored them. Anything that risked that was to be opposed. What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.
It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.
Because the result favored them. Anything that risked that was to be opposed. What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.
Nothing puzzling; they assume IEBC is in their pockets or a broken IEBC is better than nothing
Correction: their support of the anti-reformist side or at least their blocking of the attempts at a cleanup. Especially considering that they are supposed to be the most negatively affected by IEBC's "fumbling".It still beats me why Uhuru's lawyers in their defence sided with IEBC every time and wept louder thanthe bereaved. With hindsight one can rightfully argue that Respondent#3 orchestrated the fraud in order to benefit and actually did benefit from it. The summary of it is that by so doing, if indeed it had the so called tyranny of nunbers, Respondent#3 shot himself in the foot by attaching his numbers to a fumbled, bungled, mangled election process.
Because the result favored them. Anything that risked that was to be opposed. What is puzzling is their support for IEBC in its current dysfunctional state.
You're making a big deal about failure of technology. It doesn't impugne the content of PHYSICAL form 34s As. One of explanation I have seen is that Telkom (the company) failed to transmit while Safaricom & Airtel did a good job. If KIEMS kit failed - there was a manual backup - which involves delivering the physical forms.Some people are incorrigible:
The form 34 are not just pieces of paper. They exist by law for a specific purpose. They have a lifespan dictated by law. First they are designated and designed by specifications set by the IEBC based on certain considerations. In this case possible fraud required that they have security features. That in effect permanently removed the possibility of using a textbook (acceptable as it may to others!)
The form is delivered and signed for and its serial number and other features noted. It has the names of the candidates PRINTED in a prescribed uniform manner - something that proved useful in detecting fraud this year!
On use, it is filled in with prescribed information, agents signatures obtained or the absence of explained, totals entered and finally the owner of the document - be it returning officer or Presiding Officer - appends his / her signature and other security provisions be it a rubber stamp or secret number etc.
The law requires that the form be transmitted electronically. It is scanned and then transmitted.
Any variation from the above is illegal. If a different form is used the information on it is invalid. It is possible for the IEBC to provide replacements or probably two or more copies where the unused is surrendered, accounted for before the announcement of results.
The Chairman's letter reflects the findings in court based on evidence which was NOT contradicted.
As for numbers, when I wrote about nearly 5 million votes I was ridiculed. How can one say anybody won when 5 million votes cannot be accounted for?:
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I never understood and it seems the SCOK judges never understood/accepted Jubilee's argument that the numbers were correct but what failed was the transmission. The transmission gadgets transmitted the data that was feed to them. The issue here is whether the data was manipulated. It is now clear that it was and the SCOK agreed by declaring the elections null and void. So far their is no evidence in the failure of technology. The only complaint is that the technology was not used, under used or manipulated.
I never understood and it seems the SCOK judges never understood/accepted Jubilee's argument that the numbers were correct but what failed was the transmission. The transmission gadgets transmitted the data that was feed to them. The issue here is whether the data was manipulated. It is now clear that it was and the SCOK agreed by declaring the elections null and void. So far their is no evidence in the failure of technology. The only complaint is that the technology was not used, under used or manipulated.
Both arguments failed in respect of Jubilee.
NASA couléd easily prove that the failure to use the electronic transmission had greatly compromised the results.
NASA also produced evidence which showed that a large number of Form 34As were below the legal requirement or expected standard or were most likely fake. They were plain fakes, unsigned, unsigned by the returning officer etc. The total number of votes affected was 5 million. This was not contradicted by IEBC or Uhuru.
To make it worse their feeble attempts to counter that backfired spectacularly in court as four advocates fumbled and became objects of amusement with questions from the judges.
My experience says the more questions a party fields from the judge(s) and FAILS to answer satisfactorily, the greater the chances of his side losing. It is worse when you put on an embarrassing show as Muite did.
Then there are the two clowns who could not satisfy Justice Mwilu about the 5 votes not cast. That was about the high number and low number of rejected votes. You have the IEBC operating with 500K rejected votes one day and suddenly they are all gone and you have a small neat figure of 80K with Mombasa having 0 (ZERO) spoilt votes! The literacy rate in Nairobi is HIGHER than Mombasa. The higher the Illiteracy the higher the number of spoilt votes!I never understood and it seems the SCOK judges never understood/accepted Jubilee's argument that the numbers were correct but what failed was the transmission. The transmission gadgets transmitted the data that was feed to them. The issue here is whether the data was manipulated. It is now clear that it was and the SCOK agreed by declaring the elections null and void. So far their is no evidence in the failure of technology. The only complaint is that the technology was not used, under used or manipulated.
They are deliberately misleading their followers with this argument and I am tired of hearing them parroting it without thinking. Its like one caught lying about ones age then one arguing that it is his mouth/tongue/vocal cords that failed to transmit the correct information
The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.
The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.
That third server you mentioned here before? Apparently the GPRS of the KIEMS would have prove that some of them were trasmitting from hotels in NBO, and those dodgy polling stations.
Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.
That third server you mentioned here before? Apparently the GPRS of the KIEMS would have prove that some of them were trasmitting from hotels in NBO, and those dodgy polling stations.
Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.KM,
The information available shows that Chiloba and Muhato switched off the most part of the KIEMS. They operated with something else.
That third server you mentioned here before? Apparently the GPRS of the KIEMS would have prove that some of them were trasmitting from hotels in NBO, and those dodgy polling stations.
Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.
I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution. The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election. There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process.What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.
I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution. The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election. There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process.What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.
I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
I personally do not sympathize with Chebukati, he knew there were shenanigans going on and he was ready to cover it up until Maraga's court called him out. Had the court ruled in their favor, I do not think Chebukati would have written that Memo to Chiloba. However, chebukati still seems to be the lesser of the two evils and the harder one to get rid of. NASA does not have good options because they are out of power.
NASA can: 1) agree to the 10/17/2017 election date with a special secretariat as put together by Chebukati with all the rigging landmines still intact in the system. 2) boycott the elections and Ouru rides to the presidency unopposed 3) suggest a nusu makate caretaker government while a new commission is put into place and invite ridicule from all sides. Unless the court comes up with another bombshell in their findings, #1 is the best option for NASA. Also, if IEBC, collapses on its own then NASA can ask for a caretaker government while a new commission and secretariat is put together. All tough choices.NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution. The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election. There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process.What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.
I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
I personally do not sympathize with Chebukati, he knew there were shenanigans going on and he was ready to cover it up until Maraga's court called him out. Had the court ruled in their favor, I do not think Chebukati would have written that Memo to Chiloba. However, chebukati still seems to be the lesser of the two evils and the harder one to get rid of. NASA does not have good options because they are out of power.
NASA can: 1) agree to the 10/17/2017 election date with a special secretariat as put together by Chebukati with all the rigging landmines still intact in the system. 2) boycott the elections and Ouru rides to the presidency unopposed 3) suggest a nusu makate caretaker government while a new commission is put into place and invite ridicule from all sides. Unless the court comes up with another bombshell in their findings, #1 is the best option for NASA. Also, if IEBC, collapses on its own then NASA can ask for a caretaker government while a new commission and secretariat is put together. All tough choices.NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution. The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election. There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process.What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.
I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
Actually NASWA has zero options
1. Nobody is even entertaining nusu mkate
2. Boycotting elections saves Jubilee time and money
3. 17th is irreversible
Their ONLY shot is pushing for accountability and transparency from IEBC as they campaign. But they also need to be transparent themselves in their interactions with IEBC. Every meeting, every progress should be publicised as much as frustrations. Otherwise Jubilee will control the narrative .
They can also pray that their petitions will succeed and ruin Jubilee's tyranny
Kichwa, I don't see why there needs to be a nusu mkate govt in any event. If Chebukati needs some more time, he can get three more months with the govt as is. Why is no. 3 the only other option? Of those three you've listed, no. 2 is the best for me. No. 1 is horrible and no. 3 is out of the question. If Jubilee do what has been said by Higgins, there is absolutely no point in going for elections.
Just because NASA's options are not apparent to you does not mean they do not have any. Some options are not for public discussion.Sure, their options are limited by your imaginationI personally do not sympathize with Chebukati, he knew there were shenanigans going on and he was ready to cover it up until Maraga's court called him out. Had the court ruled in their favor, I do not think Chebukati would have written that Memo to Chiloba. However, chebukati still seems to be the lesser of the two evils and the harder one to get rid of. NASA does not have good options because they are out of power.
NASA can: 1) agree to the 10/17/2017 election date with a special secretariat as put together by Chebukati with all the rigging landmines still intact in the system. 2) boycott the elections and Ouru rides to the presidency unopposed 3) suggest a nusu makate caretaker government while a new commission is put into place and invite ridicule from all sides. Unless the court comes up with another bombshell in their findings, #1 is the best option for NASA. Also, if IEBC, collapses on its own then NASA can ask for a caretaker government while a new commission and secretariat is put together. All tough choices.NASA's knows that they cannot get rid of the Commission within 60 days so they are stuck with a band aid solution that Chebukati has hatched as the only politically viable solution. The only way to resolve this problem properly is for some kind of an arrangement with Jubilee, where a version of nusu makate is put in place for a period of six months to one year to make the necessary changes before election. There is no political will for this kind of a solution and therefore it seems that the Chebukati hybrid plan is the only one viable. If NASA wins, you will see a lot of changes in the electoral process but if Jubilee wins, there will be no appetite for change on their part because they benefit from this chaos, irregularities, illegalities, corruption, incompetence and impunity in the voting process.What NASWA can/should/will do is irrelevant. They are largely sympathetic to a man who probably bears bigger responsibility for the current position than anybody else. That's what is not sensible to me.Chebuketi's memo is an admission that he like kiviutu in 2007 did not know who won. You wonder why he announced the results if he did not have all the 34a's. At least Kiviutu told us that he was forced. He said the men who picked him up to make the announcement should have never been born. Chebuketi needs to tell us why he made the premature declaration that ouru had won without verification. Did the same men came to see him. Ouru was cleared by the court for wrong doing but it is very hard to believe that IEBC acted alone.KM,
Tell you what, I have no idea why despite what you just said,which is clear from the memo,NASWA are still somewhat convinced Chebukati is clean and Chilobye ain't.
I started a thread on IEBC's structure of commission and secretariat and apart from poking holes at it, i wanted a discourse on who takes the flak for the invalidation. I think as it stands, it is next to impossible to blame one and not the other commissioner,or either secretariat or commissioners because their jobs overlap.
Actually NASWA has zero options
1. Nobody is even entertaining nusu mkate
2. Boycotting elections saves Jubilee time and money
3. 17th is irreversible
Their ONLY shot is pushing for accountability and transparency from IEBC as they campaign. But they also need to be transparent themselves in their interactions with IEBC. Every meeting, every progress should be publicised as much as frustrations. Otherwise Jubilee will control the narrative .
They can also pray that their petitions will succeed and ruin Jubilee's tyranny