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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kadame7 on September 05, 2017, 02:43:23 PM
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I saw this on the wall of one of those associates of Wandia Njoya
EDIT: Found the news link: https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/05/nasa-to-kick-out-wanjigi-to-rebuild-team-for-oct-17-poll_c1629420
NASA to kick out Wanjigi to rebuild team for Oct 17 poll
NASA is shaking up its campaign secretariat as the IEBC yesterday gazetted October 17 for the presidential election rerun.
High-profile figures — including moneybags businessman Jimmy Wanjigi who promised big bucks but didn’t deliver — will be kicked out.
As it tries for a knock-out punch against President Uhuru Kenyatta — in 54 days — Raila Odinga’s opposition aims for a lean, efficient team running a better-organised and lubricated campaign.
Wanjigi and campaign secretariat chief Willis Otieno top the list of those to be purged in the regrouping for an intense, hit-the-ground-running campaign.
The decision to expel Wanjigi was reached at the weekend in Kilaguni, Taita Taveta, where Raila and NASA principals retreated to plot their campaign, create new structures and start fundraising. Today they will visit Kisii to kick off their vote hunt in Western.
It is reported Kalonzo Musyoka (Wiper), Musalia Mudavadi (ANC) and Moses Wetang’ula (Ford Kenya) all told Raila they did not want Wanjigi because “he did not help NASA as expected and instead caused the team problems,” one source told the Star.
“The principals were clear in their assessment that Wanjigi had promised so much and delivered almost nothing to the campaign,” a source familiar with meeting’s decisions said.
Wanjigi was yet to be officially informed. The notorious and formidable businessman, held in awe by not a few people, is reported to have promised to pay for a tallying center, poll agents and the production of media advertisements, among other things, before the August 8 General Election. He did not deliver as expected.
Some NASA secretariat staff had complained several times about Wanjigi and his association with secretariat head Otieno, whom they said was serving the tycoon’s interests, instead of implementing decisions of the NASA principals.
Oligarch Wanjigi, a fearsome power broker, did not add value to NASA’s campaigns and instead fueled friction within the inner core.
Raila’s close allies say Wanjigi orchestrated the perversion and watering-down of NASA’s original manifesto that focussed on ending the culture of corruption and cartels. The editing exposed corruption-busting NASA to ridicule and untold embarrassment. Instead, the second, business-friendly manifesto edited at a Nairobi hotel introduced unapproved mega projects catering to interests seeking huge tenders from a NASA government.
Among NASA’s key changes is to elevate Mombasa Governor Hassan Joho and former Machakos Senator Johnson Muthama as heads of resource mobilisation and logistics.
The strategy team will be led by renowned economist David Ndii. All NASA governors, Senators, MPs and MCAs are also expected to pull out all the stops in the new arrangement.
NASA plans to campaign door to door and those elected under the alliance will lead many teams set up by Friday. The Kilaguni meeting was attended by Raila, running mate Kalonzo, Mudavadi, Wetang’ula, select governors and MPs.
They expressed particular concern that NASA did not do much to protect its vote at tallying centres. The role of Raila’s children Winnie and Junior was discussed but NASA leaders want them excluded so professionals can do their work without interference.
In the run-up to August 8, Hamida Kibwana, a former IEBC official now working for Raila, protested against Wanjigi and Otieno’s focus on business instead of campaign issues. In a letter copied to Raila, Hamida said Otieno had no electoral knowledge and was unqualified to head the secretariat.
Concerning reorganisation, the idea of Adopt–a–Polling Station, in which supporters would finance and act as agents, was never implemented, despite fundraising. NASA has again embarked on financing and vote protection. Yesterday the opposition alliance released a Safaricom paybill and bank account numbers where supporters and sponsors can deposit funds.
NASA will have a joint Parliamentary Group meeting his week to discuss in detail the roles of other elected members. On Friday last week during the second NASA Parliamentary Group meeting at the Okoa Kenya Secretariat in Lavington, Raila told elected MPs to support the rerun and do everything possible to safeguard his votes. NASA will form a national coordinating committee with members from each region to spearhead campaigns.
Already NASA has hit the ground running, trying to capitalize on Kenyatta’s and Uhuru’s ugly onslaught against Chief Justice David Maraga and his court. Uhuru called them wakora and said he would deal with them after his reelection.
On Friday last week, Maraga and three justices voted 4-2 to nullify Kenyatta’s reelection, an historic ruling since no African court has ever dared nullify the election of a sitting president.
Kisii will be NASA’s first stop.
On Sunday, Kisii residents on Sunday poured into the streets, protesting against the persistent verbal attacks on their native son, CJ David Maraga.
The fusillade of insults could have negative consequences for Kenyatta.
The second unapproved NASA manifesto — that would have benefited businessmen such as Wanjigi — included unapproved capital intensive projects such as the Moyale-Mandera-Wajir-Garissa road, the Likoni Bridge, a public university and ICT centre in every county, airstrips upgraded to commercial standards, a Coast commuter rail line from Malindi to Diani and from Mombasa to Voi, among other infrastructure.
The controversial document was disowned by NASA technocrats who said it tarnished the alliance’s reputation.
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I found this bit very interesting:
They expressed particular concern that NASA did not do much to protect its vote at tallying centres. The role of Raila’s children Winnie and Junior was discussed but NASA leaders want them excluded so professionals can do their work without interference.
In the run-up to August 8, Hamida Kibwana, a former IEBC official now working for Raila, protested against Wanjigi and Otieno’s focus on business instead of campaign issues. In a letter copied to Raila, Hamida said Otieno had no electoral knowledge and was unqualified to head the secretariat.
Concerning reorganisation, the idea of Adopt–a–Polling Station, in which supporters would finance and act as agents, was never implemented, despite fundraising. NASA has again embarked on financing and vote protection. Yesterday the opposition alliance released a Safaricom paybill and bank account numbers where supporters and sponsors can deposit funds.
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So kijini jini unlike Omollo who insist the sky is pink ; you guys know you ran one of most haphazard campaign and got a dog beating in all seats. Now start from there - rather than blaming UFOS and poor computers - start from the basics.
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Kadame
1. Find out who owns The Extreme Ethnic Rag
2. Jubilee has a long running smear campaign against a) Jimmi Wanjigi 2). Raila's children
If you need some details of the Jubilee onslaught on the above (since people tend to forget easily) let me know.
Note that the smear against Wanjigi started a few days before the abortive elections started. History repeats itself.
There has been some merging of times - may be Cambridge Analytica is pressed for time (as they manipulate NASA into seeking the extension of time). The attack on Junior followed before they rounded up on Rosemary using Fazul and before that the Kibera seat.
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So kijini jini unlike Omollo who insist the sky is pink ; you guys know you ran one of most haphazard campaign and got a dog beating in all seats. Now start from there - rather than blaming UFOS and poor computers - start from the basics.
I never ran any campaign, Pundit. And the two are not mutually exclusive: disorganization and IEBC games. In fact, I think the disorganization is likely what left NASA vulnerable to those games revealed in the audit and scrutiny :D
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Kadame
1. Find out who owns The Extreme Ethnic Rag
2. Jubilee has a long running smear campaign against a) Jimmi Wanjigi 2). Raila's children
If you need some details of the Jubilee onslaught on the above (since people tend to forget easily) let me know.
Note that the smear against Wanjigi started a few days before the abortive elections started. History repeats itself.
There has been some merging of times - may be Cambridge Analytica is pressed for time (as they manipulate NASA into seeking the extension of time). The attack on Junior followed before they rounded up on Rosemary using Fazul and before that the Kibera seat.
Ok. But what happened to the agents? I'm reading pieces here and there that a good number of them vanished on D-Day due to not being paid.
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Kadame
This is a mixture of leaks from the NIS, the smear campaign and the preparations to continue the criminal activities of the Muhoro / Kameru led squads against NASA election campaign. These are the thugs :
1. Who raided and destroyed two tallying centres, seizing equipment which was traced to State House (the fools forgot Gps would reveal the storage. They only switched it off several International Media Houses had been taken to view and their informants leaked it or their bugs)
2. Its is the same rag that has been claiming Jimi is funding NASA
3. Please wonder a little just how well co-ordinated these guys are: Pundit says NASA is broke: The Star publishes a story saying the same. It is the same star that published horror stories of how JP aspirants were having to walk for lack of funds.
Pundit should just come out and confess to his REAL role in Kenyan Politics.
I found this bit very interesting:
They expressed particular concern that NASA did not do much to protect its vote at tallying centres. The role of Raila’s children Winnie and Junior was discussed but NASA leaders want them excluded so professionals can do their work without interference.
In the run-up to August 8, Hamida Kibwana, a former IEBC official now working for Raila, protested against Wanjigi and Otieno’s focus on business instead of campaign issues. In a letter copied to Raila, Hamida said Otieno had no electoral knowledge and was unqualified to head the secretariat.
Concerning reorganisation, the idea of Adopt–a–Polling Station, in which supporters would finance and act as agents, was never implemented, despite fundraising. NASA has again embarked on financing and vote protection. Yesterday the opposition alliance released a Safaricom paybill and bank account numbers where supporters and sponsors can deposit funds.
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There are lot of Omollos in NASA who just want to blame IEBC, NSIS, Computer and UFOS while running a campaign that mostly start and end with press statement towards IEBC. Meanwhile Jubilee were combing the country.
Now 1 month to go - knowing the 60 days cannot be extended - they are still dilly-dallying instead of hitting the campaign trail, hiring agents (and paying the old ones) and setting up systems.
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Kadame,
This is what I am getting from this story. NASA was disorganized as hell. In spite of this, the jubilant still had to resort to manipulation of the electoral system to win.
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Kadame,
This is what I am getting from this story. NASA was disorganized as hell. In spite of this, the jubilant still had to resort to manipulation of the electoral system to win.
Exactly, extend that to the fact that Jubilee (claim) they had the numbers, and still stuffed the ballots...
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There is no evidence Jubilee did anything of that nature. Not from SCOK. Not from even the wide world web. Jubilee gave NASA a dog beating of 1.4m votes. 11% gap. They won the rest of the seats in ratio going towards 60% - I don't know if there is anything to describe this in any country - except a white-wash.
Well Kagame scored 98.5% - improving from 96% - so Jubilant has long way to go to get there.
Kadame,
This is what I am getting from this story. NASA was disorganized as hell. In spite of this, the jubilant still had to resort to manipulation of the electoral system to win.
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There is no evidence Jubilee did anything of that nature. Not from SCOK. Not from even the wide world web. Jubilee gave NASA a dog beating of 1.4m votes. 11% gap. They won the rest of the seats in ratio going towards 60% - I don't know if there is anything to describe this in any country - except a white-wash.
Well Kagame scored 98.5% - improving from 96% - so Jubilant has long way to go to get there.
Kadame,
This is what I am getting from this story. NASA was disorganized as hell. In spite of this, the jubilant still had to resort to manipulation of the electoral system to win.
I agree. At least not direct evidence. Indirect? That is another story. I believe IEBC was involved in manipulation of the process. Were they doing this to favor NASA? Most definitely not.
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When you find evidence I'd be glad to look at them and change my mind. Let wait for SCOK ruling in details. I don't think IEBC has been accused of any manipulation. They've been accused of mostly fumbling so much it cast doubt on the entire vote.
I agree. At least not direct evidence. Indirect? That is another story. I believe IEBC was involved in manipulation of the process. Were they doing this to favor NASA? Most definitely not.
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When you find evidence I'd be glad to look at them and change my mind. Let wait for SCOK ruling in details. I don't think IEBC has been accused of any manipulation. They've been accused of mostly fumbling so much it cast doubt on the entire vote.
I agree. At least not direct evidence. Indirect? That is another story. I believe IEBC was involved in manipulation of the process. Were they doing this to favor NASA? Most definitely not.
The ruling will put some meat on it. But I doubt the judges would have overturned the election on mere fumbling, no matter how much, as long it did not affect the outcome.
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A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
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The court already spoke on the issue of credibility of the 8/8/2017 election. This is not an issue where contributory culpability was required. There is always room for improvement and NASA should quickly fix the mistakes that they can fix for now and move on without dwelling too much into it.
All I know is that we Africans have problems running anything huge-I do not know why. I do not think Jubilee was well ran either. Just look at the way their lawyers were disorganized at the hearing. There nominations were no better than NASA's and therefore I do not believe their campaign was any better.
Each time I walk into JKIA, the first thing I notice is disorganization. We cannot even clear one passenger plane of less than 200 people quickly, when other international airports have 10 jumbo jets arrive within minutes of each other and the passengers are cleared through custom and immigration very quickly.
There is no evidence Jubilee did anything of that nature. Not from SCOK. Not from even the wide world web. Jubilee gave NASA a dog beating of 1.4m votes. 11% gap. They won the rest of the seats in ratio going towards 60% - I don't know if there is anything to describe this in any country - except a white-wash.
Well Kagame scored 98.5% - improving from 96% - so Jubilant has long way to go to get there.
Kadame,
This is what I am getting from this story. NASA was disorganized as hell. In spite of this, the jubilant still had to resort to manipulation of the electoral system to win.
I agree. At least not direct evidence. Indirect? That is another story. I believe IEBC was involved in manipulation of the process. Were they doing this to favor NASA? Most definitely not.
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When you find evidence I'd be glad to look at them and change my mind. Let wait for SCOK ruling in details. I don't think IEBC has been accused of any manipulation. They've been accused of mostly fumbling so much it cast doubt on the entire vote.
I agree. At least not direct evidence. Indirect? That is another story. I believe IEBC was involved in manipulation of the process. Were they doing this to favor NASA? Most definitely not.
The ruling will put some meat on it. But I doubt the judges would have overturned the election on mere fumbling, no matter how much, as long it did not affect the outcome.
IEBC was accused of neglecting or refusing to obey the law. I don't think the court would have included "refusing" in its formulation without seeing significant evidence of willfulness. In any case, I just needed look at the audit, scrutiny and a few videos of the proceedings over the past few days to see more than innocent fumbling. I understand the court operates on different standards than just common sense but all my senses tell me Jubilee people or their associates were uploading and deleting forms on IEBC's server and that we got a smokescreen to distract us for many hours while the real work was underway replacing forms with new informal forms and filling them in a mad rush, sometimes through just one person. Anyway, NASA need to get very organized and run a smooth operation this time if they decide to go ahead. If the dirt isnt got rid of, they ought not participate.
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A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Your description of Kadame's views is suspect. :D Want to say that again?
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The court can only base its findings on the evidence presented to them.
A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Your description of Kadame's views is suspect. :D Want to say that again?
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The court can only base its findings on the evidence presented to them.
A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Your description of Kadame's views is suspect. :D Want to say that again?
I know. That's what I said to vooke but seeing his mischaracterization here its clear he didn't get what I was saying. He and Robina severally made an argument that the mere fact that the court said it didn't find evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing surely means the "fumbling" must not have favoured Jubilee. Assuming there was no way the court could have said it found no evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing if IEBC's wrongs favoured him. I simply said in response that this assumption was unwarranted. If you have evidence that A's wrong doing favoured B, that is not enough to attribute the wrong-doing to B. That's what vooke is misunderstanding and misstating.
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Trouble started here
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A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Amen.
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A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Are we still waiting for SCoK to tell us who stood to benefit the best from the massive fraud? This pussyfooting around the criminal eleents amongst us is akin to being their getaway drivers.
"Mwizi ni mwizi!"
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A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Are we still waiting for SCoK to tell us who stood to benefit the best from the massive fraud? This pussyfooting around the criminal eleents amongst us is akin to being their getaway drivers.
"Mwizi ni mwizi!"
I recall you impugning the justices before the 1st. Patience pays.
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If no rigging or fraud evidence was tendered don't expect judges to cook one for you. As far as I know what tilted the scales was that AUDIT of form 34s and servers. The audit does tell NOT you anything except that some forms were not proper and server were not well secured. Judges can ask DPP & Police to find the evidence by launching investigation.
NASA who've made rigging & fraud & manipulation allegations - need to bring their evidence forth.
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The court can only base its findings on the evidence presented to them.
A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Your description of Kadame's views is suspect. :D Want to say that again?
I know. That's what I said to vooke but seeing his mischaracterization here its clear he didn't get what I was saying. He and Robina severally made an argument that the mere fact that the court said it didn't find evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing surely means the "fumbling" must not have favoured Jubilee. Assuming there was no way the court could have said it found no evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing if IEBC's wrongs favoured him. I simply said in response that this assumption was unwarranted. If you have evidence that A's wrong doing favoured B, that is not enough to attribute the wrong-doing to B. That's what vooke is misunderstanding and misstating.
If you look at NASWA's petition, there were clear allegations of rigging in favor of Uhuru by IEBC. The other allegation is collusion of IEBC and Jubilee in chasing of NASWA agents from central and RV polling stations.
So if SCOK concludes there was ANY rigging,it must be on these lines,and I doubt they can rule there was rigging but stop short of blaming Uhuru. That's all
22.3 Furthermore, the results as displayed in the 1st Respondent’s Forms 34B variously exclude substantial numbers of polling stations within the constituencies and are incorrigibly inaccurate in mathematical additions in favour of the 3rd Respondent.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8QTNpSjhDaFF0Yms
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A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Are we still waiting for SCoK to tell us who stood to benefit the best from the massive fraud? This pussyfooting around the criminal eleents amongst us is akin to being their getaway drivers.
"Mwizi ni mwizi!"
Mwizi ni mwizi indeed. For me, the pussyfooting ended at the verdict.
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A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Are we still waiting for SCoK to tell us who stood to benefit the best from the massive fraud? This pussyfooting around the criminal eleents amongst us is akin to being their getaway drivers.
"Mwizi ni mwizi!"
I recall you impugning the justices before the 1st. Patience pays.
Yes, i was guilty of relying too much on our history of a bent bench. I apologise unreservedly to the Good Judge and his incorruptible bench of 4 judges.
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All this doesn't change the fact that 542,352 votes were added onto Uhuru's votes as found by the US statistician.
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The court can only base its findings on the evidence presented to them.
A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Your description of Kadame's views is suspect. :D Want to say that again?
I know. That's what I said to vooke but seeing his mischaracterization here its clear he didn't get what I was saying. He and Robina severally made an argument that the mere fact that the court said it didn't find evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing surely means the "fumbling" must not have favoured Jubilee. Assuming there was no way the court could have said it found no evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing if IEBC's wrongs favoured him. I simply said in response that this assumption was unwarranted. If you have evidence that A's wrong doing favoured B, that is not enough to attribute the wrong-doing to B. That's what vooke is misunderstanding and misstating.
If you look at NASWA's petition, there were clear allegations of rigging in favor of Uhuru by IEBC. The other allegation is collusion of IEBC and Jubilee in chasing of NASWA agents from central and RV polling stations.
So if SCOK concludes there was ANY rigging,it must be on these lines,and I doubt they can rule there was rigging but stop short of blaming Uhuru. That's all
22.3 Furthermore, the results as displayed in the 1st Respondent’s Forms 34B variously exclude substantial numbers of polling stations within the constituencies and are incorrigibly inaccurate in mathematical additions in favour of the 3rd Respondent.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8QTNpSjhDaFF0Yms
I think you're still making the leap/assumption. Look, Uhuru or Raila are not the only persons with interests deep enough to motivate interference in a process like that. Without some more evidence, an assumption like that would be unwarranted even though common sense tells you to make it. Imagine the hypothetical example where a powerful cartel stands to gain or lose big should Uhuru or Raila win and they decide to take matters into their own hands to manipulate the result either way and ensure their preferred outcome. If a court assumed that only Uhuru/Raila could have done so in that instance, it would be assuming falsely. Also, please understand that there is a difference between what parties claim and what the court does.
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I think you're still making the leap/assumption. Look, Uhuru or Raila are not the only persons with interests deep enough to motivate interference in a process like that. Without some more evidence, an assumption like that would be unwarranted even though common sense tells you to make it. Imagine the hypothetical example where a powerful cartel stands to gain or lose big should Uhuru or Raila win and they decide to take matters into their own hands to manipulate the result either way and ensure their preferred outcome. If a court assumed that only Uhuru/Raila could have done so in that instance, it would be assuming falsely. Also, please understand that there is a difference between what parties claim and what the court does.
The bold. I think there is legal term for it, but I am a little shallow there. Something that describes a court that is inquisitive and can make new findings - on the basis of evidence before it - that are not necessarily in the pleadings vs a court that only deals with the prayers before it.
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In 2013, Caroli Omondi stole the money which was supposed to pay the agents. Nothing was done.
Finding out who own the "rag" is completely avoiding the internal problems NASA experienced during 8.8 and will most likely, yet again, experience on 17.10.
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The court can only base its findings on the evidence presented to them.
A repeat will readily expose rigging patterns.
Kadame' theory that rigging evidence in SCOK can't be ascribed to either candidate but rather IEBC is something I have doubts over. If the SCOK exposes rigging,I hope they will let out in whose favor it was done
Your description of Kadame's views is suspect. :D Want to say that again?
I know. That's what I said to vooke but seeing his mischaracterization here its clear he didn't get what I was saying. He and Robina severally made an argument that the mere fact that the court said it didn't find evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing surely means the "fumbling" must not have favoured Jubilee. Assuming there was no way the court could have said it found no evidence of Uhuru's wrong-doing if IEBC's wrongs favoured him. I simply said in response that this assumption was unwarranted. If you have evidence that A's wrong doing favoured B, that is not enough to attribute the wrong-doing to B. That's what vooke is misunderstanding and misstating.
If you look at NASWA's petition, there were clear allegations of rigging in favor of Uhuru by IEBC. The other allegation is collusion of IEBC and Jubilee in chasing of NASWA agents from central and RV polling stations.
So if SCOK concludes there was ANY rigging,it must be on these lines,and I doubt they can rule there was rigging but stop short of blaming Uhuru. That's all
22.3 Furthermore, the results as displayed in the 1st Respondent’s Forms 34B variously exclude substantial numbers of polling stations within the constituencies and are incorrigibly inaccurate in mathematical additions in favour of the 3rd Respondent.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8QTNpSjhDaFF0Yms
I think you're still making the leap/assumption. Look, Uhuru or Raila are not the only persons with interests deep enough to motivate interference in a process like that. Without some more evidence, an assumption like that would be unwarranted even though common sense tells you to make it. Imagine the hypothetical example where a powerful cartel stands to gain or lose big should Uhuru or Raila win and they decide to take matters into their own hands to manipulate the result either way and ensure their preferred outcome. If a court assumed that only Uhuru/Raila could have done so in that instance, it would be assuming falsely. Also, please understand that there is a difference between what parties claim and what the court does.
It's actually possible for NASWA to plant rigging evidence in favour of Jubilee just to dig it out in court. NASWA did it but the mathematical additions are in favour of the third respondent.
Let's wait for SCOK's answer to 22.3 and then try and read the tea leaves to guide us as to who did it, or who masterminded it.
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I think you're still making the leap/assumption. Look, Uhuru or Raila are not the only persons with interests deep enough to motivate interference in a process like that. Without some more evidence, an assumption like that would be unwarranted even though common sense tells you to make it. Imagine the hypothetical example where a powerful cartel stands to gain or lose big should Uhuru or Raila win and they decide to take matters into their own hands to manipulate the result either way and ensure their preferred outcome. If a court assumed that only Uhuru/Raila could have done so in that instance, it would be assuming falsely. Also, please understand that there is a difference between what parties claim and what the court does.
The bold. I think there is legal term for it, but I am a little shallow there. Something that describes a court that is inquisitive and can make new findings - on the basis of evidence before it - that are not necessarily in the pleadings vs a court that only deals with the prayers before it.
Ok found it. I think the legal terms are inquisitorial vs adversarial. They are usually associated with different legal systems, but they can be used occasionally in the same legal system(in this case common law).
In the inquisitorial approach, the judges can look at the evidence and discover another crime.
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I think you're still making the leap/assumption. Look, Uhuru or Raila are not the only persons with interests deep enough to motivate interference in a process like that. Without some more evidence, an assumption like that would be unwarranted even though common sense tells you to make it. Imagine the hypothetical example where a powerful cartel stands to gain or lose big should Uhuru or Raila win and they decide to take matters into their own hands to manipulate the result either way and ensure their preferred outcome. If a court assumed that only Uhuru/Raila could have done so in that instance, it would be assuming falsely. Also, please understand that there is a difference between what parties claim and what the court does.
The bold. I think there is legal term for it, but I am a little shallow there. Something that describes a court that is inquisitive and can make new findings - on the basis of evidence before it - that are not necessarily in the pleadings vs a court that only deals with the prayers before it.
Ok found it. I think the legal terms are inquisitorial vs adversarial. They are usually associated with different legal systems, but they can be used occasionally in the same legal system(in this case common law).
In the inquisitorial approach, the judges can look at the evidence and discover another crime.
Ah, I see. That's not what I was referring to. I meant: the framing of claims by NASA can't make the court find wrong-doing by anyone. The court will do that based on sufficient evidence for the finding, which would be a factual one in this case and not a legal one.
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In 2013, Caroli Omondi stole the money which was supposed to pay the agents. Nothing was done.
Finding out who own the "rag" is completely avoiding the internal problems NASA experienced during 8.8 and will most likely, yet again, experience on 17.10.
For sure NASA needs to revamp its organization. Everyone I've spoken to complains about their happless disorganization.
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It's actually possible for NASWA to plant rigging evidence in favour of Jubilee just to dig it out in court. NASWA did it but the mathematical additions are in favour of the third respondent.
This is why I was saying the court can't make those assumptions even if they seem obvious to us in a commonsensical way. We don't have to justify all our findings in a reasoned judgment, but they do.
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In 2013, Caroli Omondi stole the money which was supposed to pay the agents. Nothing was done.
Finding out who own the "rag" is completely avoiding the internal problems NASA experienced during 8.8 and will most likely, yet again, experience on 17.10.
I can't comment on what will happen on 17 Oct; I have no idea. But I do know that in terms of organization Raila, for whatever reason, has been unable or unwilling to learn any lessons from 2013. Still, who knows; perhaps he will surprise us in the next few weeks. Maybe Omollo and friends will lead the wake-up call that is surely sorely needed.
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In 2013, Caroli Omondi stole the money which was supposed to pay the agents. Nothing was done.
Finding out who own the "rag" is completely avoiding the internal problems NASA experienced during 8.8 and will most likely, yet again, experience on 17.10.
I can't comment on what will happen on 17 Oct; I have no idea. But I do know that in terms of organization Raila, for whatever reason, has been unable or unwilling to learn any lessons from 2013. Still, who knows; perhaps he will surprise us in the next few weeks. Maybe Omollo and friends will lead the wake-up call that is surely sorely needed.
I doubt anything will change. I still recall Orengo's words to Ranneberger, about Raila being a poor manager who surrounds himself with incompetent people.
I don't understand how Raila thinks. I mean, beating Uhuru shouldn't be that hard at all, even if the NASA consensus is that Uhuru wouldn't hand over power.
A properly organized NASA (without i.e. a constantly disappearing Kalonzo) would be unbeatable in my opinion.