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Title: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 10:54:10 AM
Apparantly they are prepping his seats and his entire cabinet is there right now.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 10:57:29 AM
who is about to IEBC? ANy links?
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
who is about to IEBC? ANy links?
Yes, IEBC. No links. I heard it from someone at home watching tv.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 11:04:03 AM
NTV is showing just news.. It looks like Media has been called and is about to make it way to Bomas
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Ok, when someone has links, bandika them here
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Omollo on August 11, 2017, 11:07:38 AM
Peace messages have just been upped. If they knew how irritating this propaganda is they would stop. I never seen anything that annoys people more than the be peaceful as we rape you.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 11:08:14 AM
Pick any live stream that tickles your fancy
https://www.kenyamoja.com
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 11:10:42 AM
Pick any live stream that tickles your fancy
https://www.kenyamoja.com

Thank you my nigga I just saw the sexy Rita Tinina she has eaten well

105 constituencies yet to report


Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
Pick any live stream that tickles your fancy
https://www.kenyamoja.com

Thank you my nigga I just saw the sexy Rita Tinina she has eaten well

105 constituencies yet to report

Thays not possible. Kwani how many constituencies are there? 105 seems too many.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 11:17:04 AM
290
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 11:44:43 AM
He just flew past Eastlands with a lot of Airforce cover. He will be announced in a few minutes. Just heard military helicopters all over the place.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: RV Pundit on August 11, 2017, 11:50:02 AM
Watching Citizen. Let Raila go to court if he dispute the polls.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 11:51:15 AM
IEBC has done it bit. So it up to NASA to obey the law and follow the constitution
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
Who is GODEC does Githae comment on US elections?
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 12:33:15 PM

13 form 34B to go

Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 12:34:58 PM

13 form 34B to go

I knew the 105 claim could not be true. If it was, they wouldnt be getting ready for the big announcement.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: RV Pundit on August 11, 2017, 12:36:44 PM
They say they'll make another announcement at 2;30.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
Police are in the air here controlling crowds.. people need to chill
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 12:41:46 PM
Global wacha zako  :D I thought you were not even in Kenya :D
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 11, 2017, 12:46:35 PM
Global wacha zako  :D I thought you were not even in Kenya :D

I came in last night will be leaving on 8/23.. I am lobbying for a contract
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 11, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
They have until Tuesday.  There are still questions swirling around.  They should hold off for now.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 04:17:06 PM
NASWA is employing delay tactics.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 04:19:07 PM
NASWA is employing delay tactics.
IEBC isnt NASA vooke.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
NASWA is employing delay tactics.
IEBC isnt NASA vooke.

Let me help a bit.
NASWA went to Bomas, held a closed door meeting with commissioners. They came out and said there are several issues that need to be resolved before announcing.

1. NASWA needs access to IEBC servers so they can verify whether indeed hacking took place. They say Jubilee is invited.
2. Another claim is IEBC has only 29K forms 34A while Ezra Chiloba said they have all but 2.
3. That there are glaring errors in the portal bla bla

Their prayers is to suspend announcing the results till these issues are resolved.

What I believe is the best is, NASWA should make public whatever they shared with IEBC as they have always done before. IEBC should do what it deems fit; either go ahead with the announcement or halt

As it were, NASWA withholding from the public what they shared covers them from public scrutiny which means you can't judge if it is frivolous. I'm skeptical of NASWA claims seeing it's a marked departure from their previous handling of the so called 'leakages'
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: RV Pundit on August 11, 2017, 04:45:32 PM
Time wasting.Go to court.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kichwa on August 11, 2017, 04:50:42 PM
First things first. Do not worry about going to court. There will be enough time for that if NASA chooses to.  BTW why is the police still raiding NASA centers?

Time wasting.Go to court.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 04:58:26 PM
Time wasting.Go to court.
Yep, NASWA is wasting time shopping for fresh 'evidens '
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: patel on August 11, 2017, 05:50:58 PM
Raila should not concede, let the chip fall where they may....
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kichwa on August 11, 2017, 05:59:48 PM
When IEBC is satisfied they can announce anytime they want. What has NASA got to do with that.

Time wasting.Go to court.
Yep, NASWA is wasting time shopping for fresh 'evidens '
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 11, 2017, 06:01:46 PM

IEBC can announce anytime they want. What has NASA got to do with that.

Time wasting.Go to court.
Yep, NASWA is wasting time shopping for fresh 'evidens '

They have a week from the election day. Given that there are major accusations going back and forth, it makes sense that they take as much time as possible to put all, or at least most doubts, to bed, before making the announcement.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
Termie,
As I said, I have no problem with IEBC receiving complaints queries and all, but NASWA's last demand reeks of time wasting because unlike others they have withheld their claims from the public, and are demanding a tad too much information, an audit.

If there's rigging and they got shreds of evidence, they should go public with it. As it were, they are essentially demanding to audit IEBC database. How different is this from demanding IEBC accounts for all the ballots,as well as interrogating the rather high number of spoilt ballots, or flawed transport contracts that ocassioned delay and poor turnout or anything else?

By your own admission, NASWA is full of shiet and you wish Omorlo would advise them to abandon that line without anything concrete.  Barely 24hrs, they asked IEBC to declare Babu and Kalozer as the president. NASWA is not serious or has not given any reason to be taken seriously.

It's a shame that NASWA Is desperately clinging to hacking theories which have nothing to do with forms 34A,B and of course the mother of all, Form 34C

If IEBC is to spend its 7 days window, it should be on executing its mandate, and not entertaining sore losers who are keeping their gonads crossed that new incriminating info may fall on their laps with passage of time.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 06:47:39 PM
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 06:58:43 PM
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.
Kadame,
I believe we overrate Babu's concession. Frankly speaking, it's irrelevant.

NASWA has severally on various occasions claimed the elections were not free and fair. They have called them a sham affecting not just the presidential but all the 6 elections. Yesterday, Babu was categorical the elections were hacked.

They did this WITHOUT accessing IEBC servers. So I don't see how accessing the servers will make them reverse themselves. It's simply an issue of making an offer IEBC can't accept so they can claim the rejection is suspect and push IEBC on the defensive.

What I know almost with certainty is, NASWA is headed to SCOK regardless of what IEBC does or does not do
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 11, 2017, 07:16:30 PM
Termie,
As I said, I have no problem with IEBC receiving complaints queries and all, but NASWA's last demand reeks of time wasting because unlike others they have withheld their claims from the public, and are demanding a tad too much information, an audit.

If there's rigging and they got shreds of evidence, they should go public with it. As it were, they are essentially demanding to audit IEBC database. How different is this from demanding IEBC accounts for all the ballots,as well as interrogating the rather high number of spoilt ballots, or flawed transport contracts that ocassioned delay and poor turnout or anything else?

By your own admission, NASWA is full of shiet and you wish Omorlo would advise them to abandon that line without anything concrete.  Barely 24hrs, they asked IEBC to declare Babu and Kalozer as the president. NASWA is not serious or has not given any reason to be taken seriously.

It's a shame that NASWA Is desperately clinging to hacking theories which have nothing to do with forms 34A,B and of course the mother of all, Form 34C

If IEBC is to spend its 7 days window, it should be on executing its mandate, and not entertaining sore losers who are keeping their gonads crossed that new incriminating info may fall on their laps with passage of time.

They have until Tuesday.  The prudent thing to do is for Chebukati to make sure all the loose ends are tied.  There is no point rushing, and then being forced to hold another election soon thereafter by a SCOK decision.  Of course that is purely hypothetical in Kenya's situation.  But it can't hurt Chebukati to cover all the bases.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 11, 2017, 07:18:23 PM
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.

I am not sure about that.  If you saw David Ndii's interview, they are saying that the stuff we are seeing is fiction.  If that is the stuff they find in the database, I am not sure how that changes that idea.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
vooke, they have set a clear term for concession, its better for a country's healing, if all the parties give their blessing to the result IEBC announces. They are not saying they will go to court, they are saying they will accept and move on. If I were Uhuru, Id give them my support. Maybe this is the only way the principals can calm their political juniours and bases. Its not too big. Let them have at it.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kadame6 on August 11, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.

I am not sure about that.  If you saw David Ndii's interview, they are saying that the stuff we are seeing is fiction.  If that is the stuff they find in the database, I am not sure how that changes that idea.
The belief is that the servers contain information that is different from what we are seeing. This has gone on long enough. Let them satisfy their suspicions and move on. We all know Uhuru is going to be sworn in...lets wrap this up.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 11, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.

I am not sure about that.  If you saw David Ndii's interview, they are saying that the stuff we are seeing is fiction.  If that is the stuff they find in the database, I am not sure how that changes that idea.
The belief is that the servers contain information that is different from what we are seeing. This has gone on long enough. Let them satisfy their suspicions and move on. We all know Uhuru is going to be sworn in...lets wrap this up.

Yes.  They believe that.  But there are two levels.  If you watched that interview, they also believe that this information that is different from what we are seeing, is also different from their own separate tallying.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 07:43:49 PM
vooke, they have set a clear term for concession, its better for a country's healing, if all the parties give their blessing to the result IEBC announces. They are not saying they will go to court, they are saying they will accept and move on. If I were Uhuru, Id give them my support. Maybe this is the only way the principals can calm their political juniours and bases. Its not too big. Let them have at it.
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.

I am not sure about that.  If you saw David Ndii's interview, they are saying that the stuff we are seeing is fiction.  If that is the stuff they find in the database, I am not sure how that changes that idea.
You shouldn't be sure of what Orengo/DVD states
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 07:48:00 PM
vooke, they have set a clear term for concession, its better for a country's healing, if all the parties give their blessing to the result IEBC announces. They are not saying they will go to court, they are saying they will accept and move on. If I were Uhuru, Id give them my support. Maybe this is the only way the principals can calm their political juniours and bases. Its not too big. Let them have at it.
Kadame,
You know too well none of their demands will satisfy them.

I just walked into another brief by Orengo where he bashed Kerry and Mbeki suggesting they were unfit to be Observers. They also said they are walking out of Bomas. As I told you, they make an offer that can't be accepted and throw tantrums over non-acceptance. They have meddled too much. Think for a second what would be happening if Jubilee was the one doing this. Just think about that

Orengo said Kenyans have resisted subversion of democracy bla bla....the suggestion is police are free to waste a few bullets saving lives and property.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 11, 2017, 07:50:51 PM
vooke, they have set a clear term for concession, its better for a country's healing, if all the parties give their blessing to the result IEBC announces. They are not saying they will go to court, they are saying they will accept and move on. If I were Uhuru, Id give them my support. Maybe this is the only way the principals can calm their political juniours and bases. Its not too big. Let them have at it.
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.

I am not sure about that.  If you saw David Ndii's interview, they are saying that the stuff we are seeing is fiction.  If that is the stuff they find in the database, I am not sure how that changes that idea.
You shouldn't be sure of what Orengo/DVD states

If they come with demonstrable evidence, I'll defer.  I am not an ideologue.  The demand for DB access can easily lead to more questions and demands.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
vooke, they have set a clear term for concession, its better for a country's healing, if all the parties give their blessing to the result IEBC announces. They are not saying they will go to court, they are saying they will accept and move on. If I were Uhuru, Id give them my support. Maybe this is the only way the principals can calm their political juniours and bases. Its not too big. Let them have at it.
From what I understand, they are asking for access to the IEBC servers for themselves, Jubilee, media and stake holders. They say they are ready to accept whatever is in those servers. If there's nothing there, NASA will simply embarrass themselves like yesterday, and Raila will give his consession speech.

I say let them. This is the best way to resolve it as they have said themselves that they will accept it.

I am not sure about that.  If you saw David Ndii's interview, they are saying that the stuff we are seeing is fiction.  If that is the stuff they find in the database, I am not sure how that changes that idea.
You shouldn't be sure of what Orengo/DVD states

If they come with demonstrable evidence, I'll defer.  I am not an ideologue.

NASWA have withheld this from the public. So it's basically their vs IEBC's word. I have no reason to trust NASWA seeing they have meticulously distributed whatever evidence they had with the public before apart from this,which is by their demands very vital to the integrity of the process.

IEBC has responded to each of their claims. Yesterday you observed IEBC was yet to deny the fresh allegations. But they did respond in the following presser. And the response was thorough. So I believe IEBC has weighed the fresh claims and found them unworthy to stop declaration.


Here's Orengo declaring war
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 11, 2017, 08:01:24 PM

Here's Orengo declaring war
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What are they responding to?  This stuff is moving too fast.
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: vooke on August 11, 2017, 08:49:56 PM

Here's Orengo declaring war


What are they responding to?  This stuff is moving too fast.


That's what I'm saying NASWA withheld from the public. They went to Bomas in the afternoon,held closed door meeting with the commissioners urging them not to go ahead with the declaration.
When they came out, they mentioned some issues. Off my mind I heard they requested for IEBC servers, and they wanted anybody else interested to examine them as well.


The clip
Title: Re: They are about to announce Uhuru winner on TV
Post by: RV Pundit on August 11, 2017, 08:58:26 PM
Chebukati doing his thing.commendable job