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Title: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 01, 2016, 01:43:50 PM

He just ruined Chirstie for life. He told him Pack and go home you punk. I will vote for Trump just because he is a man with big balls. He is arrogant pig but I think he has earned his stripes as a no nonsense guy. Is Trump a bigot? I do not think so. I think he is a demagogue that will look for publicity no matter how vile it is. Trump Show Apprentice treated Africans and Black candidates very well and fairly. He is married to an immigrant and does not seem to be overly concerned with race like other Americans are. Hillary has no chance against this guy
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 01, 2016, 04:10:17 PM
He is destroying the Republican Party.  He'll encounter a very different environment in the general.  To compete he will end up having to kill the enthusiasm of his white supremacist bedrock by trying to actually sound sane. 

The general is Hillary's to lose.  Not enough crazies for Trump to make it.  Tougher still when you factor in a potential major third candidate backed by the sane portion of the Republican establishment.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on March 01, 2016, 04:20:59 PM
He just ruined Chirstie for life. He told him Pack and go home you punk. I will vote for Trump just because he is a man with big balls. He is arrogant pig but I think he has earned his stripes as a no nonsense guy. Is Trump a bigot? I do not think so. I think he is a demagogue that will look for publicity no matter how vile it is. Trump Show Apprentice treated Africans and Black candidates very well and fairly. He is married to an immigrant and does not seem to be overly concerned with race like other Americans are. Hillary has no chance against this guy

That one sentence highlighted in red is the danger.

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Among the current crop of candidates for president of the United States, who exhibits leadership and who doesn’t?

Leadership isn’t just the ability to attract followers. Otherwise some of the worst tyrants in history would be considered great leaders. They weren’t leaders; they were demagogues. There’s a difference.

A leader brings out the best in his followers. A demagogue brings out the worst.

Leaders inspire tolerance. Demagogues incite hate.

Leaders empower the powerless; they give them voice and respect. Demagogues scapegoat the powerless; they use scapegoating as a means to fortify their power.

Leaders calm peoples’ irrational fears. Demagogues exploit them.

Source and the full article: http://robertreich.org/post/131884484780



Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 01, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
In general he will win because white America is tired of liberalism.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on March 02, 2016, 12:35:12 AM
Trump might actually become president!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on March 02, 2016, 06:16:28 AM
Let's look at this realistically. Black folks aren't hoodwinked by Trump's BS, so they will deliver for Hillary close to Obama numbers. With Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric, Hispanics despise Trump. Mitt Romney's 27% is likely to go below 20% for Trump. America's continual demographic changes mean that Trump will need 2/3 of the White vote to win. A very tall order, if I may say so.  Donald Trump is just an empty, noisy suit who will go down in history as the man who lost to America's first female president.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RVtitem on March 02, 2016, 08:25:06 AM
Let's look at this realistically. Black folks aren't hoodwinked by Trump's BS, so they will deliver for Hillary close to Obama numbers. With Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric, Hispanics despise Trump. Mitt Romney's 27% is likely to go below 20% for Trump. America's continual demographic changes mean that Trump will need 2/3 of the White vote to win. A very tall order, if I may say so.  Donald Trump is just an empty, noisy suit who will go down in history as the man who lost to America's first female president.


www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/01/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-black-voters-primary-elections-2016-column/81150932/
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 02, 2016, 01:27:47 PM
Let's look at this realistically. Black folks aren't hoodwinked by Trump's BS, so they will deliver for Hillary close to Obama numbers. With Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric, Hispanics despise Trump. Mitt Romney's 27% is likely to go below 20% for Trump. America's continual demographic changes mean that Trump will need 2/3 of the White vote to win. A very tall order, if I may say so.  Donald Trump is just an empty, noisy suit who will go down in history as the man who lost to America's first female president.


www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/01/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-black-voters-primary-elections-2016-column/81150932/
Something happened to Tavis Smiley from the moment Obama declared his candidacy for the White House.  He has an inexplicable visceral loathing for Obama that clouds his judgment.  It has been downhill ever since for him as far as being in touch with the African American pulse.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on March 03, 2016, 03:15:51 AM
Smiley joined justice Thomas

Let's look at this realistically. Black folks aren't hoodwinked by Trump's BS, so they will deliver for Hillary close to Obama numbers. With Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric, Hispanics despise Trump. Mitt Romney's 27% is likely to go below 20% for Trump. America's continual demographic changes mean that Trump will need 2/3 of the White vote to win. A very tall order, if I may say so.  Donald Trump is just an empty, noisy suit who will go down in history as the man who lost to America's first female president.


www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/01/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-black-voters-primary-elections-2016-column/81150932/
Something happened to Tavis Smiley from the moment Obama declared his candidacy for the White House.  He has an inexplicable visceral loathing for Obama that clouds his judgment.  It has been downhill ever since for him as far as being in touch with the African American pulse.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 04, 2016, 02:59:13 AM
Enter rethugs establishment  this has kasarani written all over it. However if trump is stopped there will be  an end to rethug party. Here is 538 analysis
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-just-barely-on-track-to-win-the-gop-nomination/
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on March 05, 2016, 08:10:39 AM
Let's look at this realistically. Black folks aren't hoodwinked by Trump's BS, so they will deliver for Hillary close to Obama numbers. With Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric, Hispanics despise Trump. Mitt Romney's 27% is likely to go below 20% for Trump. America's continual demographic changes mean that Trump will need 2/3 of the White vote to win. A very tall order, if I may say so.  Donald Trump is just an empty, noisy suit who will go down in history as the man who lost to America's first female president.


www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/01/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-black-voters-primary-elections-2016-column/81150932/
Something happened to Tavis Smiley from the moment Obama declared his candidacy for the White House.  He has an inexplicable visceral loathing for Obama that clouds his judgment.  It has been downhill ever since for him as far as being in touch with the African American pulse.

Termie, I agree. There is a difference in constructive criticism to accomplish a goal and outright hatred. I don't think that Tavis Smiley knows or cares to know the difference. The man is so infatuated with anything linked to Obama...and not in a good way.  If he really believes for a second that black folks "don't mind" divisive, bigoted and blatantly racist ... toxic rhetoric from the likes of Donald Trump ....I have a bridge to sell him.

There's nothing more pathetic like an envious man

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on March 06, 2016, 04:57:57 PM
In general he will win because white America is tired of liberalism.
Expect a significant economic slowdown if Trump wins. USA will be boycotted and Asia will take over. Debt will skyrocket to $40T in 5yrs. Economic gaps will widen significantly.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on March 06, 2016, 05:00:30 PM
In general he will win because white America is tired of liberalism.
Expect a significant economic slowdown if Trump wins. USA will be boycotted and Asia will take over. Debt will skyrocket to $40T in 5yrs. Economic gaps will widen significantly.
Expect significant changes if Hillary wins. RIght wilng will kick its propaganda a notch whining about everything.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 07, 2016, 05:30:23 PM
In general he will win because white America is tired of liberalism.
Expect a significant economic slowdown if Trump wins. USA will be boycotted and Asia will take over. Debt will skyrocket to $40T in 5yrs. Economic gaps will widen significantly.
I worry more about his impulsiveness.  Four of years of Trump with the nuclear codes could prove disastrous.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 08, 2016, 01:06:57 AM
I'm rooting for Trump to win his party's nomination.   That will makes things much easier for the other party.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on March 08, 2016, 06:05:21 AM
I was thinking that it'll be easy for the other party until I looked closer. Americans have gone bonkers.

I'm rooting for Trump to win his party's nomination.   That will makes things much easier for the other party.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 09, 2016, 02:56:38 PM
I'm rooting for Trump to win his party's nomination.   That will makes things much easier for the other party.

You are mistaken, American are looking for a political revolution not status quo
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 09, 2016, 04:53:41 PM
I'm rooting for Trump to win his party's nomination.   That will makes things much easier for the other party.

You are mistaken, American are looking for a political revolution not status quo

Interesting.   So you think that people who voted for Obama would vote for Trump?    Why? What would his attraction be to blacks, Hispanics and other minorities, and sensible whites?
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on March 09, 2016, 04:54:49 PM
I'm rooting for Trump to win his party's nomination.   That will makes things much easier for the other party.

You are mistaken, American are looking for a political revolution not status quo

Yeah, that's what's worrying a few people here and there. Reminds me of the fourth Chinese curse: "May you all your dreams come true."

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 09, 2016, 05:26:19 PM
I'm rooting for Trump to win his party's nomination.   That will makes things much easier for the other party.

You are mistaken, American are looking for a political revolution not status quo
There is a revolution going on.  In the Republican party.  Joe The Plumber is waking up to the lie he has been fed for the last I don't know how many years since the Southern strategy.  He now realizes that all these years he has been voting against his own interests in the belief that these are African Americans interests.

Trump will run away with this racist part of the party.  The Republican establishment will either have to form a new party or embrace Trump and naked racism and xenophobia, rather than the current couched and misleading variety, that appeals to a Trumpoid.  They could carry the South and lose the general on a consistent basis.

Democrats will veer more to the left and be more like a real liberal party.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 09, 2016, 08:01:11 PM
They could carry the South and lose the general on a consistent basis.

Last elections: Romney took all of the South except Florida, but lost.   Had he won in Florida, he would have beaten Obama.  Can Trump win in any of the states that Obama took?   Doubtful.   Can he win in Florida?   The demographics suggest not, especially given some of his more colourful comments. 

What does his own party think of his chances?   This week the politicians have started to take hard swings at him, and the money people have started pouring their stuff into Super PACs funding attack ads against him.   What do those people see?

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Trump will run away with this racist part of the party.  The Republican establishment will either have to form a new party or embrace Trump.

The current party "spit" and (in a small number of ways) the candidate bring to mind Barry Goldwater and the Republican party of his day.   Goldwater won the nomination, but did not get very far after that.  It might be argued that the South is less Democratic these days, but then there's the first point above (spread of electoral-college votes).

Trump's success so far should be judged in light of the fact that so far the battle is limited to  the party faithful. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 12, 2016, 08:53:36 AM
Trump is no idiot. I expect him to tone down once he wins the party ticket and win against Hillary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on March 12, 2016, 11:04:07 AM
Trump is no idiot. I expect him to tone down once he wins the party ticket and win against Hillary.

If Trump tones down, he loses his core supporters.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 12, 2016, 03:03:33 PM
Trump is no idiot. I expect him to tone down once he wins the party ticket and win against Hillary.

If Trump tones down, he loses his core supporters.

Exactly.  He has eviscerated his chances in a general for a primary victory.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 12, 2016, 05:08:18 PM
total showdown between liberals and nationalists. This is going to get ugly in South and Mid-west. It total chaos. Liberals now are giving GOP establishment more reasons for a brokered convention. At this point Republicans party leaders may decide they may as well lose GE but hold on to the party. I except trump to run as an independent because there is no way he is going to be allowed to be candidate. trump is "winning" with 35% of republican delegates. It is a Moi minority win in the 1990s
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 13, 2016, 10:31:50 AM
Trump after he wins Ohio and Florida will wrap up the Rethug ticket and from there he'll start moderating as he takes on Hillary. Just like rethug cannot figure out how to stop trump (whatever he does or says), I think democrats will also fail to handle trump.

This election is Donald Trump to lose. He is Obama anti-dote. Folks are tired of Obama measured no drama presidency. They want to have someone a little more carefree. In Trump they see one.

total showdown between liberals and nationalists. This is going to get ugly in South and Mid-west. It total chaos. Liberals now are giving GOP establishment more reasons for a brokered convention. At this point Republicans party leaders may decide they may as well lose GE but hold on to the party. I except trump to run as an independent because there is no way he is going to be allowed to be candidate. trump is "winning" with 35% of republican delegates. It is a Moi minority win in the 1990s
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 13, 2016, 06:47:18 PM
Trump after he wins Ohio and Florida will wrap up the Rethug ticket and from there he'll start moderating as he takes on Hillary. Just like rethug cannot figure out how to stop trump (whatever he does or says), I think democrats will also fail to handle trump.

This election is Donald Trump to lose. He is Obama anti-dote. Folks are tired of Obama measured no drama presidency. They want to have someone a little more carefree. In Trump they see one.

Trump is going nowhere.   Even Trump probably knows that; but he is a businessman, and this little circus will make the "Trump" name/brand even more marketable.   

The idea that "democrats will also fail to handle trump" is way off.   If you look at the Electoral College votes in Obama's 1st victory and his 2nd, you will see that Romney got all the possible redneck votes (South and tinker-toy parts of the Mid-West) but still lost.   Those votes make up the best-case scenario for Trump.    Except that he is probably worse off than Romney: like Goldwater, even if he wins party's nomination, ultimately he splits his own party in a disastrous way.

This brings us to your earlier comment that once he is nominated, he will shape up ... Won't work.    Unlike what happens our Great Country, in the USA the trash  that politicians talk is never forgotten.   For Trump to win, even if he gets all the redneck votes---and that's not a certainty, given the conflicts in his own party---he would have to win Florida.   TV ads that regurgitate his views on "south of the border" (and suchlike) pretty much ensures that won't happen.   To keep his rabid supporters he will not be able to back away from his nasty bits, and that's going to make it even easier to hit him on that basis.

And here's another aspect: In terms of grassroots organization of get-them-to-register/get-them-out-to-vote, I can't think of a US president/"aspiring-president" who's done better than Obama.   (His "cousin" in Kenya could learn something there.)   That is interesting for two reasons: 

* Contrary to what one would expect as the norm, Obama maintained his "organization" from the 1st campaign to the next.  What is even more unusual is that he has still kept it an plans to do "great" things with it after he leaves office. (The Washington Post,  a few months ago, had a lengthy and very interesting article on this.)

* At some point, Obama will bring all his stuff in support of the Democratic nominee, and it's not chicken-shit.   (Not surprisingly, one of the debates between Clinton and Sanders boiled down to who would be truer to Obama's legacy .... who loved Obama the most.)
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 13, 2016, 11:52:45 PM
Trump after he wins Ohio and Florida will wrap up the Rethug ticket and from there he'll start moderating as he takes on Hillary. Just like rethug cannot figure out how to stop trump (whatever he does or says), I think democrats will also fail to handle trump.

This election is Donald Trump to lose. He is Obama anti-dote. Folks are tired of Obama measured no drama presidency. They want to have someone a little more carefree. In Trump they see one.

Trump is going nowhere.   Even Trump probably knows that; but he is a businessman, and this little circus will make the "Trump" name/brand even more marketable.   

The idea that "democrats will also fail to handle trump" is way off.   If you look at the Electoral College votes in Obama's 1st victory and his 2nd, you will see that Romney got all the possible redneck votes (South and tinker-toy parts of the Mid-West) but still lost.   Those votes make up the best-case scenario for Trump.    Except that he is probably worse off than Romney: like Goldwater, even if he wins party's nomination, ultimately he splits his own party in a disastrous way.

This brings us to your earlier comment that once he is nominated, he will shape up ... Won't work.    Unlike what happens our Great Country, in the USA the trash  that politicians talk is never forgotten.   For Trump to win, even if he gets all the redneck votes---and that's not a certainty, given the conflicts in his own party---he would have to win Florida.   TV ads that regurgitate his views on "south of the border" (and suchlike) pretty much ensures that won't happen.   To keep his rabid supporters he will not be able to back away from his nasty bits, and that's going to make it even easier to hit him on that basis.

And here's another aspect: In terms of grassroots organization of get-them-to-register/get-them-out-to-vote, I can't think of a US president/"aspiring-president" who's done better than Obama.   (His "cousin" in Kenya could learn something there.)   That is interesting for two reasons: 

* Contrary to what one would expect as the norm, Obama maintained his "organization" from the 1st campaign to the next.  What is even more unusual is that he has still kept it an plans to do "great" things with it after he leaves office. (The Washington Post,  a few months ago, had a lengthy and very interesting article on this.)

* At some point, Obama will bring all his stuff in support of the Democratic nominee, and it's not chicken-shit.   (Not surprisingly, one of the debates between Clinton and Sanders boiled down to who would be truer to Obama's legacy .... who loved Obama the most.)

While racists make up a good chunk of the right wing of the Republican party, his views are not appealing or even tolerated among independents, let alone some parts of his own party.  He cannot change tact and suddenly appeal to them, having gone off the cliff in the primary.  Wavering is a losing trait in US politics.

It's true the electoral college map does not favor him.  He might not even be able to compete in Ohio.  I think he is currently running with 35% of a crumbling Republican party.  In the general he starts off at a disadvantage, and will not be able to win, in the big states of California, New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania.  He only has Texas among the big guns.

Bush was able to win Ohio, New Mexico, Virginia and Florida.  These are must win yet not sufficient states, for any Republican to have a chance.  Obama machine actually turned Virginia and New Mexico reliably blue.  They are no longer battle ground states and barring disaster, they should be safe pickings for Clinton because of Hispanics and DC suburban Northern Virginia. 

The Clinton machine, even by itself is pretty formidable with a few lessons from the Obama experience.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 14, 2016, 02:25:38 AM
Here is the electoral college map.  Hillary's task is simple.  She just needs to hang onto 23 electoral swing votes out of the toss-ups to close the deal; something like Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire.  She could lose Virginia, Ohio and Florida and still win.  It's an uphill task for well organized and united Republican front.  It's even worse in their current condition.

Her campaign can make Republican's task even crazier by seriously targetting quasi-Republican turf like North Carolina, Georgia and Missouri.

(http://images.politico.com/global/2015/05/01/sabatographic503.jpg)

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/2016-predictions-117554
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on March 14, 2016, 07:38:46 AM
They could carry the South and lose the general on a consistent basis.

Last elections: Romney took all of the South except Florida, but lost.  Had he won in Florida, he would have beaten Obama. Can Trump win in any of the states that Obama took?   Doubtful.   Can he win in Florida?   The demographics suggest not, especially given some of his more colourful comments. 

What does his own party think of his chances?   This week the politicians have started to take hard swings at him, and the money people have started pouring their stuff into Super PACs funding attack ads against him.   What do those people see?

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Trump will run away with this racist part of the party.  The Republican establishment will either have to form a new party or embrace Trump.

The current party "spit" and (in a small number of ways) the candidate bring to mind Barry Goldwater and the Republican party of his day.   Goldwater won the nomination, but did not get very far after that.  It might be argued that the South is less Democratic these days, but then there's the first point above (spread of electoral-college votes).

Trump's success so far should be judged in light of the fact that so far the battle is limited to  the party faithful.

Moon Ki, FACT CHECK will rate your statement not true. Even if Romney had carried Florida, Virginia and Ohio all battleground states that he lost; Obama still would have won with 272 electoral votes.

(http://media.law.uark.edu/arklawnotes/files/2013/07/Leflar-figure4.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on March 14, 2016, 08:06:25 AM
Trump after he wins Ohio and Florida will wrap up the Rethug ticket and from there he'll start moderating as he takes on Hillary. Just like rethug cannot figure out how to stop trump (whatever he does or says), I think democrats will also fail to handle trump.

This election is Donald Trump to lose. He is Obama anti-dote. Folks are tired of Obama measured no drama presidency. They want to have someone a little more carefree. In Trump they see one.

total showdown between liberals and nationalists. This is going to get ugly in South and Mid-west. It total chaos. Liberals now are giving GOP establishment more reasons for a brokered convention. At this point Republicans party leaders may decide they may as well lose GE but hold on to the party. I except trump to run as an independent because there is no way he is going to be allowed to be candidate. trump is "winning" with 35% of republican delegates. It is a Moi minority win in the 1990s


Trump has an uphill battle even if he wins the GOP. Republicans can't win with White voters alone. No Republican candidate before Romney lost while winning 59 percent of the white vote, which was almost 90 percent of his support. George H.W. Bush won about that portion in 1988 but captured 426 electoral votes. Romney got just 206. The white portion of the vote has shrunk 15 points to 72 percent in the six presidential elections since 1992. With the fastest-growing ethnic group, Asian Americans, Romney did even worse (21 percent) than he did with Hispanics (27 percent).

http://www.thenation.com/article/bad-news-about-white-people-romney-won-white-vote-almost-everywhere/

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 14, 2016, 08:13:27 AM
RP:

Noted, with thanks.   I added the votes with paper and pencil, lost a "carry" and ended up with 232 for Obama!
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 14, 2016, 11:06:51 AM
Obama "organisation" comes down to his momentum at the right time; he was able to energize his voters; All these assumptions have been tested in primaries and trump 'make america great again' smashes them again and again.It down to who can energize folks. In states where independents and non-registered rethugs have been allowed to vote; trump wins; and he is getting some record turn out while spending very little.

I believe trump will energize a lot of folks who naturally won't be interested in politics and win. The same way Obama energized students and the likes to carry him to POTUS.

Hillary just don't excite anyone. Sanders could but his wish-washy nature just mean he can't sustain it. The rednecks now have a good reason to really come out and vote.

Say anything but USA is still a white country...with more than 70% of the vote. Trump just need to excite part of that 70% to come out and vote.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 14, 2016, 12:30:57 PM
Obama "organisation" comes down to his momentum at the right time; he was able to energize his voters; All these assumptions have been tested in primaries and trump 'make america great again' smashes them again and again.It down to who can energize folks. In states where independents and non-registered rethugs have been allowed to vote; trump wins; and he is getting some record turn out while spending very little.

I believe trump will energize a lot of folks who naturally won't be interested in politics and win. The same way Obama energized students and the likes to carry him to POTUS.

Hillary just don't excite anyone. Sanders could but his wish-washy nature just mean he can't sustain it. The rednecks now have a good reason to really come out and vote.

Say anything but USA is still a white country...with more than 70% of the vote. Trump just need to excite part of that 70% to come out and vote.

Obama had a formidable ground game.  Something that I can't say for Trump but could say for Hillary.  Sure he can turn out hordes of rednecks and Romney Blue dog dems to carry states in a Republican Primary.  But even in those, he is just getting 35% and polarizing a good chunk of the rest.   

The real problem though is the electoral college math doesn't add up for him.  He won't get Obama supporters and more.  High turnouts in safe states are virtually meaningless.  Demographic shifts are actually turning formerly safe red states into swing states.  And it's not just because of minorities but also because an influx of whites from the North.

Any Republican, let alone Trump, has an uphill task winning enough swing states.  Trump is the only Republican thus far who loses in a matchup with either Democrat.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 14, 2016, 12:42:33 PM
What is this with 35%? It is not like Obama won with 70% of democratic party. It was dog fight all the way. The same is true for republican party with many strong candidates. Once republican party come over and endorse trump; then trump get "100%" of the rethugs. And that will happen on Tuesday night after he carries Ohio and Florida.

We know Hillary will win in Democratic party but going by how "badly" she is struggling against an independent socialist like Sanders; how do you expect her to compete against Donald Trump?

What worked for Obama will not work for everyone. Trump has not needed any ground game or tonnes of money. He has simply used his big mouth, his jet, a few big rallies and twitter. Now when the party machinery comes into play, then trump becomes even more deadly.

Many folks have underestimated Trump but look where he is is now. He was suppose to be dead so many times; but he is still kicking.

Once Trump locks the party ticket; expect him to make smart choice with regard to his VP and guys around him; that will appease the party and moderate his message.

Obama had a formidable ground game.  Something that I can't say for Trump but could say for Hillary.  Sure he can turn out hordes of rednecks and Romney Blue dog dems to carry states in a Republican Primary.  But even in those, he is just getting 35% and polarizing a good chunk of the rest.   

The real problem though is the electoral college math doesn't add up for him.  He won't get Obama supporters and more.  High turnouts in safe states are virtually meaningless.  Demographic shifts are actually turning formerly safe red states into swing states.  And it's not just because of minorities but also because an influx of whites from the North.

Any Republican, let alone Trump, has an uphill task winning enough swing states.  Trump is the only Republican thus far who loses in a matchup with either Democrat.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 14, 2016, 08:21:31 PM
What is this with 35%? It is not like Obama won with 70% of democratic party. It was dog fight all the way. The same is true for republican party with many strong candidates. Once republican party come over and endorse trump; then trump get "100%" of the rethugs. And that will happen on Tuesday night after he carries Ohio and Florida.

We know Hillary will win in Democratic party but going by how "badly" she is struggling against an independent socialist like Sanders; how do you expect her to compete against Donald Trump?

What worked for Obama will not work for everyone. Trump has not needed any ground game or tonnes of money. He has simply used his big mouth, his jet, a few big rallies and twitter. Now when the party machinery comes into play, then trump becomes even more deadly.

Many folks have underestimated Trump but look where he is is now. He was suppose to be dead so many times; but he is still kicking.

Once Trump locks the party ticket; expect him to make smart choice with regard to his VP and guys around him; that will appease the party and moderate his message.

Obama had a formidable ground game.  Something that I can't say for Trump but could say for Hillary.  Sure he can turn out hordes of rednecks and Romney Blue dog dems to carry states in a Republican Primary.  But even in those, he is just getting 35% and polarizing a good chunk of the rest.   

The real problem though is the electoral college math doesn't add up for him.  He won't get Obama supporters and more.  High turnouts in safe states are virtually meaningless.  Demographic shifts are actually turning formerly safe red states into swing states.  And it's not just because of minorities but also because an influx of whites from the North.

Any Republican, let alone Trump, has an uphill task winning enough swing states.  Trump is the only Republican thus far who loses in a matchup with either Democrat.
35% is the proportion of his support in the Republican party, while alienating the rest, to this point.  The Republican party has been in decline since 2000, maybe earlier.  W won his first term riding on the back of Ralph Nader as spoiler in Florida.  Beating Kerry was because he was a war President. 

Trump's performance thus far is not surprising at all.  He has consistently led in the polls.  With a lot of help from his big mouth as you acknowledge.  Because Republicans consciously made a decision to rally their base around race a few decades back, using code of course.  Trump is winning with that strategy without mincing words. 

He is running a KKK campaign.  In St. Louis, his speech can be summed up as fuck these niggers.  The message is as clear in the US as madoadoa is in RV.  That is a lot of baggage to carry into a general, where your opponents have no issues calling you out on it.

You have to assume that he is performing miracles, which he is not.  The polls have him consistently losing a general election.  The only Republican candidate who loses to either Dem.  All the others actually beat Hillary and lose to Bernie Sanders.  Trump loses badly in both cases, but gets especially pillaged by Bernie Sanders. 

Given that he has to mellow down to attempt to reach out to others(forget any minorities) it's not as easy as you make it seem.  He will become just another Republican, but with major baggage, trying to win increasingly blue swing states.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 14, 2016, 08:32:06 PM
trump before Chicago was formidable but now his armor has been pierced by liberal activists. His supporters played into the hands of liberal activists and now Donald credibility is shot. So Hillary wins because she will hold onto NJ, PA, NY which would have been swing states if Donald did not Fuck up last week. GOP is done. Working class Americans are idiots they should have worked to broaden their base but due to racism they shrunk it. Trump economic message would have been sellable to even workingclass African Americans especially males.

So not Hillary is president elect unless she develops health complications between now and November
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 14, 2016, 08:50:59 PM
trump before Chicago was formidable but now his armor has been pierced by liberal activists. His supporters played into the hands of liberal activists and now Donald credibility is shot. So Hillary wins because she will hold onto NJ, PA, NY which would have been swing states if Donald did not Fuck up last week. GOP is done. Working class Americans are idiots they should have worked to broaden their base but due to racism they shrunk it. Trump economic message would have been sellable to even workingclass African Americans especially males.

So not Hillary is president elect unless she develops health complications between now and November
In Chicago, he encountered First Amendment.  Free speech does not include a right to a cooperative audience.  It was akin to Raila going into Gatundu to insult kamwana. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 14, 2016, 10:29:09 PM
the issue still remains unsolved trump or no trump.. so we can kick the can down the road and wait for mid term elections for a new revolt
http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/14/why-washingtons-political-class-is-losing-control/
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 16, 2016, 02:57:58 AM

John Oliver does his part on this demagogue. This interesting, it shows how a bully in this politically correct world where everyone is a slave of self interest and other vested interests can rise and take power. If trump wins then I would say even military coup is within reach in this country. A trump win will be a revolution, how this ends will be interesting. This country used to be the land of the brave but money has become so addicting and a tool of control that brilliant men have turned to nothing but slaves. Their freedom is nonexistent. In Corporate boardrooms no decisions can be made without checking with the masters no independence of doing what is good for the greater society or organization. It a very confusing time and a desperate one
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on March 16, 2016, 05:46:35 AM
 GOP baggers created Trump. Trump is the nominee. Next!!!
I can see USA going into a deep recession if elected president. Everyone will take their money out and keep it in Europe/China. Businesses will make sure he is not elected.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 16, 2016, 06:43:43 AM
Trump wins everywhere except Ohio. Rubio drops out. Now it Trump, Ted and Kasich. Key stats to watch is turn out of previously disinterested working class America who are now trooping back to voting booths after finding a candidate they can identify it. And that is trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kadudu on March 16, 2016, 10:52:43 AM
You mean white America.
Trump will loose big against Clinton in November that is if he gets the Republican nomination. Never in the history of the Republican party has the Republican establishment come out to condemn a Republican candidate like it has done with Trump.
Trump has abused Latinos and Blacks cannot stand him. How do you win a presidential election without these groups?

Trump wins everywhere except Ohio. Rubio drops out. Now it Trump, Ted and Kasich. Key stats to watch is turn out of previously disinterested working class America who are now trooping back to voting booths after finding a candidate they can identify it. And that is trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 16, 2016, 12:09:46 PM
Blacks are 10% and Latino maybe 20%..leaving White America at 70%. And that is group that hasn't been voting as much...and if trump wins non-liberal whites..he wins.
Facts is Trump is now winning with 40-45% in primaries...clearly somebody is voting for Trump...a  heck lots of republicans.
Trump has abused Latinos and Blacks cannot stand him. How do you win a presidential election without these groups?
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 16, 2016, 01:03:03 PM
Blacks are 10% and Latino maybe 20%..leaving White America at 70%. And that is group that hasn't been voting as much...and if trump wins non-liberal whites..he wins.
Facts is Trump is now winning with 40-45% in primaries...clearly somebody is voting for Trump...a  heck lots of republicans.
Trump has abused Latinos and Blacks cannot stand him. How do you win a presidential election without these groups?
What is the hypothetical path to a victory for Trump?  Which states will vote red? 
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 16, 2016, 01:28:04 PM
Blacks are 10% and Latino maybe 20%..leaving White America at 70%. And that is group that hasn't been voting as much...and if trump wins non-liberal whites..he wins.

First, not all those whites would vote for Trump.  Second, one should look at the distribution of the Electoral College votes.  Third, and most significant, you seem to ignore what the Republican Party itself thinks on the matter of minorities.   After the last elections, the party engaged in quite a bit of handwringing and then carried out a "post-mortem" on their miserable performance.   You will find the report here: 

http://goproject.gop.com/rnc_growth_opportunity_book_2013.pdf

What the report stresses, right from the git-go, is the significance of minority groups.  Of those groups, Hispanics come first, as they are considered more "Republican-malleable" than blacks.   That group is already lost: (i) all the Democrats have to do is replay audios of Trump's comments on alleged rapists, murderers, and other criminals from the south, and (ii) the GOP's efforts at stymying Obama on immigration.

If you do not have the time to read all of that, here is a quick "summary":

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/6-big-takeaways-from-the-rnc-s-incredible-2012-autopsy

Note Point #2:

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2. Listen To Minorities
Much of the report is about encouraging Republicans to listen not just to Republican minorities, but to reach out to black, Hispanic, and Asian American voters in their own communities. The reason: arithmetic.
"By the year 2050 we'll be a majority-minority country and in both 2008 and 2012 President Obama won a combined 80 percent of the votes of all minority groups," RNC chair Reince Priebus said in a press conference debuting the report. "The RNC cannot and will not write off any demographic or community or region of this country."

Terminator's comment on the old "Southern strategy" was spot on: these days, there simply aren't enough rednecks in the right places (Electoral College votes) for business as usual for that party. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 16, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
You guys talk as if all over sudden a republican can never win POTUS. Forgetting Obama just replaced George Dubya Bush who had an even more dubious record. Fact is republican party won the mid term and control the congress & I think even the senate. That is not a party in decline. It a party that control most of the US except in big cities where liberals, blacks and latinos dominate. Without caring to elaborate..Trump will carry most rural white dominated states....and will be just need to win both Florida and Ohio...to nick POTUS.

All the stars are aligning for Trump. In this election where folks are anti-politicians and anti-establishment, trump as the only outsider, is become more popular the more rethugs politicians cast aspersion on him. Also after liberal democract in Obama, US seem ready for another George Dubya Bush.

The more republican party top honchos refuses to endorse trump, the more popular he is becoming.

Bottomline: Blacks are overrated minority. Latinos have a long way to go. American remain a white country...and all trump need is to get the red necks interested in voting again.

What is the hypothetical path to a victory for Trump?  Which states will vote red? 
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 16, 2016, 02:31:37 PM
If we went by the Official Rethugs line, Jeb Bush with his latino wife, would already have secured nomination. Of course, we know those guys are totally out of sync with American votes out there, considering their most hated two, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, are leading by far, and Jeb Bush is dead as dodo.Despite all the gazillions of money they poured. Maybe they can do another report on why Jeb Bush failed.

Only Trump seem to have the handle of this. Americans are frustrated, angry and want blood.

Hillary is going to ridicolous length to appeal to black votes and she seem to have lost white votes to Sanders..Not a good sign for Hillary.

First, not all those whites would vote for Trump.  Second, one should look at the distribution of the Electoral College votes.  Third, and most significant, you seem to ignore what the Republican Party itself thinks on the matter of minorities.   After the last elections, the party engaged in quite a bit of handwringing and then carried out a "post-mortem" on their miserable performance.   You will find the report here: 

http://goproject.gop.com/rnc_growth_opportunity_book_2013.pdf

What the report stresses, right from the git-go, is the significance of minority groups.  Of those groups, Hispanics come first, as they are considered more "Republican-malleable" than blacks.   That group is already lost: (i) all the Democrats have to do is replay audios of Trump's comments on alleged rapists, murderers, and other criminals from the south, and (ii) the GOP's efforts at stymying Obama on immigration.

If you do not have the time to read all of that, here is a quick "summary":

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/6-big-takeaways-from-the-rnc-s-incredible-2012-autopsy

Note Point #2:

Quote
2. Listen To Minorities
Much of the report is about encouraging Republicans to listen not just to Republican minorities, but to reach out to black, Hispanic, and Asian American voters in their own communities. The reason: arithmetic.
"By the year 2050 we'll be a majority-minority country and in both 2008 and 2012 President Obama won a combined 80 percent of the votes of all minority groups," RNC chair Reince Priebus said in a press conference debuting the report. "The RNC cannot and will not write off any demographic or community or region of this country."

Terminator's comment on the old "Southern strategy" was spot on: these days, there simply aren't enough rednecks in the right places (Electoral College votes) for business as usual for that party. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 16, 2016, 04:51:41 PM
You guys talk as if all over sudden a republican can never win POTUS. Forgetting Obama just replaced George Dubya Bush who had an even more dubious record. Fact is republican party won the mid term and control the congress & I think even the senate. That is not a party in decline. It a party that control most of the US except in big cities where liberals, blacks and latinos dominate. Without caring to elaborate..Trump will carry most rural white dominated states....and will be just need to win both Florida and Ohio...to nick POTUS.

All the stars are aligning for Trump. In this election where folks are anti-politicians and anti-establishment, trump as the only outsider, is become more popular the more rethugs politicians cast aspersion on him. Also after liberal democract in Obama, US seem ready for another George Dubya Bush.

The more republican party top honchos refuses to endorse trump, the more popular he is becoming.

Bottomline: Blacks are overrated minority. Latinos have a long way to go. American remain a white country...and all trump need is to get the red necks interested in voting again.

What is the hypothetical path to a victory for Trump?  Which states will vote red? 
That's not true.  I am just going by the polls.  On an earlier post, I actually said Hillary loses to all Republican candidates except the Donald.  Ted Cruz, Rubio, Kasich all beat Clinton in a general; at least in a popular vote terms. 

Without going into details, the mid-term demographic has always favored Republicans.  It doesn't always translate to the general election.

Every state in the US is white dominated.  The states you say he will win are red states.  Republicans win red states.  Sarah Palin brought out hordes of the same Trump supporters to stop Obama from shuckin' and jivin' his way to White House.  And they carried those states.

It's true that most whites vote Republican.  Romney got something like 59% of the white vote nationally.  I am not sure about the exact figure but that proportion goes down in Blue states.  The South has a larger proportion of blacks; the Republicans therefore have to win a lot more than 59% of the white vote in those states to carry them.  Their proportion of the white vote in blue states doesn't help them in a general(they can win congressional seats though).  Trump has to win over enough undecided whites to carry some swing states.  One can even give him Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Colorado off the bat  and he'd still lose. 

But that is really splitting hairs. The electoral college map is where you want to focus. There are all sorts of reasons for it, but some states are reliably blue, others are red and some are purple trending to blue.  The margin for error for a Republican in 2016 is thinner than it was in 2000 when Bush attracted more than just angry white voters and had some help from Ralph Nader. 

In any case not a single poll has Trump winning the general election against either democrat.  It might be too early, but that has been a pretty steady outcome.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 16, 2016, 05:02:06 PM
bush was different in way.. . Bush had very solid economic policies and other policies that he sold to everyone. He was a centrist on all issues even social issues in his first term. He had very key minorities in his team, Condi and Powell. He promised a lot of PORK to minorities in terms of social welfare that was going to be channeled Churches and other NGos. Bush won with democrats crossing over in big numbers in battle ground states


yes without Ralph Nader Bush wouldn't have won
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 16, 2016, 11:06:29 PM
If we went by the Official Rethugs line, Jeb Bush with his latino wife, would already have secured nomination.

I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion.  You seem to be "mixing" the primaries (in which Trump is winning) with the general election (which is what the report is about).  You are also not taking into account the difference between "necessary conditions" and "sufficient conditions".

The people voting for Trump are pretty much all white (as is most of the party), but all those Republican (and like-minded) whites voting for him (or any other Republican)  would not be enough to win the general election.   That is the main point in the report.

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Hillary is going to ridicolous length to appeal to black votes and she seem to have lost white votes to Sanders..Not a good sign for Hillary.

Not really?   Considering his views, do you really see Sanders voters turning to vote for Trump?  The kind of people Sanders attracts don't just dislike Trump; they absolutely loathe his type.   

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If we went by the Official Rethugs line

That report came from actually talking to voters and doing a careful analysis; it wasn't some men sitting in an office and making up opinions.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 17, 2016, 12:41:12 AM
Dont waste time with report analysising stuff that cannot be replicated. every election is unique in it's own way. No wonder rethugs are confused. They are running this election using last election template.

As for Sanders, I doubt that only liberal white are voting for him. I think majority of those backing Sanders just hate hillary for being a system business as usual wall street phoney. And that is exactly the kind of voters Trump is attracting. Including democrats and independents who do not feel hillary business as usual.

This election is about change..not obama type change..but trump like change.


Not really?   Considering his views, do you really see Sanders voters turning to vote for Trump?  The kind of people Sanders attracts don't just dislike Trump; they absolutely loathe his type.   

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 17, 2016, 12:42:50 AM
We will get there in due course. Bush snr. Reagan and all those republicans who won....clearly didn't need Ralph Nader dude. For now Trump is busy with primaries and once we get to elections...the choice will be clear...business as usual hillary versus Donald Trump.

That's not true.  I am just going by the polls.  On an earlier post, I actually said Hillary loses to all Republican candidates except the Donald.  Ted Cruz, Rubio, Kasich all beat Clinton in a general; at least in a popular vote terms. 

Without going into details, the mid-term demographic has always favored Republicans.  It doesn't always translate to the general election.

Every state in the US is white dominated.  The states you say he will win are red states.  Republicans win red states.  Sarah Palin brought out hordes of the same Trump supporters to stop Obama from shuckin' and jivin' his way to White House.  And they carried those states.

It's true that most whites vote Republican.  Romney got something like 59% of the white vote nationally.  I am not sure about the exact figure but that proportion goes down in Blue states.  The South has a larger proportion of blacks; the Republicans therefore have to win a lot more than 59% of the white vote in those states to carry them.  Their proportion of the white vote in blue states doesn't help them in a general(they can win congressional seats though).  Trump has to win over enough undecided whites to carry some swing states.  One can even give him Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Colorado off the bat  and he'd still lose. 

But that is really splitting hairs. The electoral college map is where you want to focus. There are all sorts of reasons for it, but some states are reliably blue, others are red and some are purple trending to blue.  The margin for error for a Republican in 2016 is thinner than it was in 2000 when Bush attracted more than just angry white voters and had some help from Ralph Nader. 

In any case not a single poll has Trump winning the general election against either democrat.  It might be too early, but that has been a pretty steady outcome.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 17, 2016, 03:00:12 AM
Dont waste time with report analysising stuff that cannot be replicated. every election is unique in it's own way. No wonder rethugs are confused. They are running this election using last election template.

It's not a matter of running an election using the last election's template or trying to replicate anything.  It's an analysis of where the votes are: the demographic shifts simply don't favour Trump.   If you wish to make a convincing argument for how he could win, you should try one in terms of Electoral-College votes; that is what I don't see in any of your statements.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 17, 2016, 07:44:38 AM
At this point in time, nobody had Obama electrocal college map wrapped. His idea of change we can believe in though had caught fire. The same way trump and sander idea that wall street rented lying politician time is over seem the running theme of this election. I think once trump wraps up rethug ticket, hillary will be in big trouble. Hillary has no message, is running on empty and sort of want to ran Obama 3rd term...I am assuming that she is not just pandering to black vote at this point.
It's not a matter of running an election using the last election's template or trying to replicate anything.  It's an analysis of where the votes are: the demographic shifts simply don't favour Trump.   If you wish to make a convincing argument for how he could win, you should try one in terms of Electoral-College votes; that is what I don't see in any of your statements.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 17, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
Every election is different...and reading this article, Trump has his game on. Appeal to 75% of voters (white) and forget about the minorities.

Trump electoral map will be unique as his campaign; he will turn previously solid blue states to red; in areas where white working class are the majority.


Trump could flip some of states like Colorado, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Pennsylvania from blue to red.


http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/could-donald-trump-win-the-general-election

Despite his occasional protestations to the contrary, Trump would be relying heavily on white voters in a general election. Since they still represent close to three-quarters of the electorate, it appears to be mathematically possible for him to win a majority. Potentially, he could win by increasing turnout in predominantly white areas, winning over Reagan Democrats, and bringing in enough new voters to overcome the unfavorable demographic trends facing the G.O.P. Arguing along these lines, some analysts have raised the possibility that Trump could sweep the Rust Belt states of Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and also flip a Democratic state in the Upper Midwest, either Wisconsin or Minnesota or both. A Trump rampage across the Rust Belt would transform the electoral map—it could even allow him to reach two hundred and seventy votes in the Electoral College without carrying Florida, which is usually a pivotal state. “Don’t laugh,” Zach Carter and Ryan Grim, of the Huffington Post, wrote last month. “Donald Trump could actually win this thing.”
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 17, 2016, 12:31:56 PM
Someone think Donald Trump just need to win the Rust belt 64 delegates states and he is in white house. And those states are lily white.Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-donald-trump-becomes-president_us_56cb5429e4b0928f5a6c9ead
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 17, 2016, 04:46:07 PM
We will get there in due course. Bush snr. Reagan and all those republicans who won....clearly didn't need Ralph Nader dude. For now Trump is busy with primaries and once we get to elections...the choice will be clear...business as usual hillary versus Donald Trump.

That's not true.  I am just going by the polls.  On an earlier post, I actually said Hillary loses to all Republican candidates except the Donald.  Ted Cruz, Rubio, Kasich all beat Clinton in a general; at least in a popular vote terms. 

Without going into details, the mid-term demographic has always favored Republicans.  It doesn't always translate to the general election.

Every state in the US is white dominated.  The states you say he will win are red states.  Republicans win red states.  Sarah Palin brought out hordes of the same Trump supporters to stop Obama from shuckin' and jivin' his way to White House.  And they carried those states.

It's true that most whites vote Republican.  Romney got something like 59% of the white vote nationally.  I am not sure about the exact figure but that proportion goes down in Blue states.  The South has a larger proportion of blacks; the Republicans therefore have to win a lot more than 59% of the white vote in those states to carry them.  Their proportion of the white vote in blue states doesn't help them in a general(they can win congressional seats though).  Trump has to win over enough undecided whites to carry some swing states.  One can even give him Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Colorado off the bat  and he'd still lose. 

But that is really splitting hairs. The electoral college map is where you want to focus. There are all sorts of reasons for it, but some states are reliably blue, others are red and some are purple trending to blue.  The margin for error for a Republican in 2016 is thinner than it was in 2000 when Bush attracted more than just angry white voters and had some help from Ralph Nader. 

In any case not a single poll has Trump winning the general election against either democrat.  It might be too early, but that has been a pretty steady outcome.
You should read What's the matter with Kansas?.  In there you will find the Trumpoid.  There is a misleading narrative that they have just walked out of the woodwork because of Trump.  They have been there all along, emphatically voting against their interests, in the belief that they are denying black people welfare and government programs. 

Trump, with his birther credentials, has merely woken them up from this stupidity and now they don't need the Republican establishment or so they think.  But who else will join them?  That is Trump's dilemma.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on March 17, 2016, 07:23:27 PM
Someone think Donald Trump just need to win the Rust belt 64 delegates states and he is in white house. And those states are lily white.Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-donald-trump-becomes-president_us_56cb5429e4b0928f5a6c9ead

The guy has a whiteness theory on "whiteness theory" on which he bases his fantasies, and at the level of "theory", why not.  But a good knowledge of those states puts paid to that idea.   Among other things, including the voting history of those states, as the writer himself points out:

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This doesn't mean that white people in these states will all flock to Trump. Many of them are die-hard Democrats and appalled by his bigoted campaign.

That is hardly the basis on which to predict a possible Trump win. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 17, 2016, 07:55:45 PM
They been there alright, but never this energized. Now they've got their own in Trump. And they are turning in record numbers including democracts and independent leaning redneck for The Donald Tramp.

If you look at record turn out of these guys in primaries and in rallies, you should be very worried, that the real majority, the america white non-college graduate working class are intend on voting trump.

Bottomline; every election has it's dynamic. If somebody said Obama would win in 08, he would have been laughed off. Now it's Trump time.

It obvious Trump has a clear path to victory, carry all the white majority states in the south, mid-west, upper and rust belt...and it going to be easy considering Hillary is struggling with same demographisc..and all tramp need is record turn out of white working class folks and few sanders democrats & independents...who do not trust Hillary.

You should read What's the matter with Kansas?.  In there you will find the Trumpoid.  There is a misleading narrative that they have just walked out of the woodwork because of Trump.  They have been there all along, emphatically voting against their interests, in the belief that they are denying black people welfare and government programs. 

Trump, with his birther credentials, has merely woken them up from this stupidity and now they don't need the Republican establishment or so they think.  But who else will join them?  That is Trump's dilemma.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 17, 2016, 09:56:25 PM
Pundit,
yes trump is uncoventional, however, he wont be able to win in a General election. He lacks the depth and coalition to do so. In USA there are all sort of looney predictions like the one that predicted that Rommney would beat Obama by over 200 delegates. Stupid Karl Rove had pegged his hope on "white working Class" in Ohio to beat Obama. One thing Trump needs is the American women, without them he is going to lose. it was the white American women that made Obama first terms elections become a cake walk. once the women crossed over it became easier for Obama using Biden to convince the white male.

One thing I know is that once a married guy wife picks a candidate it becomes almost automatic that the husband will eventually vote for the wife's candidate.

Trump has to win it in convention. he was to fight ove Cruz and Kasich.

Hillary so far got this in her purse she can even become so bold and pick Elizabeth Warren as her VP just to make sure that her lock on Women vote and Ultra Liberals is tight
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on March 17, 2016, 09:58:24 PM
Nice post.

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An Open Letter to Donald Trump:

Mr. Trump,

I try my hardest not to be political. I’ve refused to interview several of your fellow candidates. I didn’t want to risk any personal goodwill by appearing to take sides in a contentious election. I thought: ‘Maybe the timing is not right.’ But I realize now that there is no correct time to oppose violence and prejudice. The time is always now. Because along with millions of Americans, I’ve come to realize that opposing you is no longer a political decision. It is a moral one.

I’ve watched you retweet racist images. I’ve watched you retweet racist lies. I’ve watched you take 48 hours to disavow white supremacy. I’ve watched you joyfully encourage violence, and promise to ‘pay the legal fees’ of those who commit violence on your behalf. I’ve watched you advocate the use of torture and the murder of terrorists’ families. I’ve watched you gleefully tell stories of executing Muslims with bullets dipped in pig blood. I’ve watched you compare refugees to ‘snakes,’ and claim that ‘Islam hates us.’

I am a journalist, Mr. Trump. And over the last two years I have conducted extensive interviews with hundreds of Muslims, chosen at random, on the streets of Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan. I’ve also interviewed hundreds of Syrian and Iraqi refugees across seven different countries. And I can confirm— the hateful one is you.

Those of us who have been paying attention will not allow you to rebrand yourself. You are not a ‘unifier.’ You are not ‘presidential.’ You are not a ‘victim’ of the very anger that you’ve joyfully enflamed for months. You are a man who has encouraged prejudice and violence in the pursuit of personal power. And though your words will no doubt change over the next few months, you will always remain who you are.

Sincerely,
Brandon Stanton

https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyork/posts/1207382856002479
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 17, 2016, 10:39:12 PM
They been there alright, but never this energized. Now they've got their own in Trump. And they are turning in record numbers including democracts and independent leaning redneck for The Donald Tramp.

If you look at record turn out of these guys in primaries and in rallies, you should be very worried, that the real majority, the america white non-college graduate working class are intend on voting trump.

Bottomline; every election has it's dynamic. If somebody said Obama would win in 08, he would have been laughed off. Now it's Trump time.

It obvious Trump has a clear path to victory, carry all the white majority states in the south, mid-west, upper and rust belt...and it going to be easy considering Hillary is struggling with same demographisc..and all tramp need is record turn out of white working class folks and few sanders democrats & independents...who do not trust Hillary.

You should read What's the matter with Kansas?.  In there you will find the Trumpoid.  There is a misleading narrative that they have just walked out of the woodwork because of Trump.  They have been there all along, emphatically voting against their interests, in the belief that they are denying black people welfare and government programs. 

Trump, with his birther credentials, has merely woken them up from this stupidity and now they don't need the Republican establishment or so they think.  But who else will join them?  That is Trump's dilemma.
Yes, there are dynamics by which Trump, based on white votes, can win.  US politics are interesting with many possibilities and forces in play.  But I still think the angry white working class approach is far-fetched. 

It comes down to the dynamic I mention earlier, where this white vote is in Blue states and must somehow overcome its usual percentages, enough to tip some delegate rich blue states to Republican.  But it assumes that the anti-trump voters are not as energized to stop him.

Union workers, in the industrial Midwest are notoriously difficult to turn against Democrats; they vote like Luos on automatic for Raila.  And they turn out to protect their turf; Trump can only count on this demographic in a fantastic way.  They will not fall for his anti-establishment appeal.

In 08 Obama had an advantage among young white voters who voted in unprecedented numbers; most of this group, by its nature, the most anti-trump (matched only by Hispanics), is now in the Sandernista column; you saw some of them in Chicago; they can be energized to turn out just to stop Trump.  While there might be some convergence in the anti-establishment bent, everything else shows Trump can never count on Bernie Sanders supporters and liberals in general.

He obviously has the South locked down; likely the delegate poor heartland too, minus Iowa.  Indiana is not far-fetched; he should get that one.  Ohio there is a question-mark.  He could not crack it against Kasich in a primary.  It's the most important swing state in play and Kasich's win there suggests no appetite for an insurgency.

He cannot win Minnesota.  Wisconsin, is usually a good Republican state mid-terms, but terrible in the general; he might entertain some ideas but not anymore than any regular Republican.  He needs the Industrial Midwest and some more.  The point is Trump is viewed negatively enough by independents to the point that Rubio and Ted Cruz would actually fair better in a general; curiously the same thing actually applies to Hillary too..
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 21, 2016, 07:51:23 PM
Clinton and Trump are interesting in the sense that they are the two most polarizing candidates in this campaign.  Despite Trump's own negative perceptions, she only beats him by narrow margins in the polls. 

Even those sympathetic to a female President, balk as soon as they encounter Hillary in person.  She has a caustic personality.  She is unpleasant to be around especially when she is talking.  She is not above playing the dirty games such as the race card she played against Obama in 2008.  Not to mention she is a foreign policy hawk on a scale that would make Dick Cheney blush.

Clinton represents the establishment's last tenuous hold on the status quo.  2016 is one of the elections in which a third or fourth candidate can cause a real upheaval.  Leading to a situation where no candidate gets 270.

I have no personal preference between her and Trump.  Still her path to the White House is easier than Trump's, even if she represents his best chance of winning it all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 22, 2016, 07:56:02 AM
The worst for me is Ted Cruz. The moron is George Bush reincarnate. Trump is an okay liberal guy who is just racist.
Clinton and Trump are interesting in the sense that they are the two most polarizing candidates in this campaign.  Despite Trump's own negative perceptions, she only beats him by narrow margins in the polls. 

Even those sympathetic to a female President, balk as soon as they encounter Hillary in person.  She has a caustic personality.  She is unpleasant to be around especially when she is talking.  She is not above playing the dirty games such as the race card she played against Obama in 2008.  Not to mention she is a foreign policy hawk on a scale that would make Dick Cheney blush.

Clinton represents the establishment's last tenuous hold on the status quo.  2016 is one of the elections in which a third or fourth candidate can cause a real upheaval.  Leading to a situation where no candidate gets 270.

I have no personal preference between her and Trump.  Still her path to the White House is easier than Trump's, even if she represents his best chance of winning it all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 22, 2016, 12:10:22 PM
Bush was never racist nor conservative.  Bush was a screwball like uhuru that got conned by oligarchs led by Cheney. like his dad he should have been one term mistake but moral depravity during Clinton time and foreign policy fuckups by Clinton gave gop an upperhand
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on March 22, 2016, 01:56:05 PM
With today's Brussels attacks, possibility of Donald being the president is significantly raised.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on March 22, 2016, 04:04:07 PM
With today's Brussels attacks, possibility of Donald being the president is significantly raised.

Doubtful. In the very short term, maybe a bit of traction, just like with the Paris attacks last November.

The elections are in November. Of course Trump will milk it as much as he can but there's still some way to go.

Incidentally, the closer the election date nears, it seems that more and more people are now seriously contemplating a Trump presidency and they don't like what they see (see the Brandon Stanton article I posted earlier above). Trump and his hardcore supporters are basically attacking everyone, even Republicans, who don't buy into their BS. I won't be surprised if the voter turnout in November will surpass the 2008 elections, not for the support of the Democratic hopeful, but to block Trump.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 22, 2016, 04:04:50 PM
Yeah. Bush like Ted Cruz is actually dumb and stupid with really insane ideas that they believe in. Trump I think is bright guy who understands that he is just acting up for the " I love the poorly educated" white middle class to take him to POTUS. Folks who watched Trump's The Apprentice knows he is very smart and decisive dude.
Bush was never racist nor conservative.  Bush was a screwball like uhuru that got conned by oligarchs led by Cheney. like his dad he should have been one term mistake but moral depravity during Clinton time and foreign policy fuckups by Clinton gave gop an upperhand
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on March 22, 2016, 08:48:51 PM
Brussels attacks just gives Trump hardline stance more credibility. He may end up getting serious boost from this. meanwhile Bengahzi Clinton will be weakened by this.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: gout on March 29, 2016, 01:42:02 PM
This is Trumps' election to lose given the recent wins by Sanders over Clinton

Not only those who watched, most Kenyans, and by extension African would have died to appear in that show. Trump has just stayed to his element which aptly captures reality on the ground just like our Moses Kurias and Aladwas. They are rich guys who ain't afraid that tribe, race, gender and political correctness nonsense will make them go hungry, lose business and such. I like such guys, and Americans seem to be decided about Trump.

Yeah. Bush like Ted Cruz is actually dumb and stupid with really insane ideas that they believe in. Trump I think is bright guy who understands that he is just acting up for the " I love the poorly educated" white middle class to take him to POTUS. Folks who watched Trump's The Apprentice knows he is very smart and decisive dude.
Bush was never racist nor conservative.  Bush was a screwball like uhuru that got conned by oligarchs led by Cheney. like his dad he should have been one term mistake but moral depravity during Clinton time and foreign policy fuckups by Clinton gave gop an upperhand

Heck, who are Africans to question Trump's presidency yet we are okay with dead logs like Museveni, Mugabe; drug lords; land grabbers, thieves; murderers; and all sort of scum in our political systems.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on March 29, 2016, 02:53:54 PM
Hillary has over pandered to blacks and latino...aka minorities..to the extend she has lost the white vote. This doesn't look good for Hillary. Hillary is running an Obama 3rd term when the USA is ready for change. I think Trump will carry this. No disaster seem to bring him down.
This is Trumps' election to lose given the recent wins by Sanders over Clinton

Not only those who watched, most Kenyans, and by extension African would have died to appear in that show. Trump has just stayed to his element which aptly captures reality on the ground just like our Moses Kurias and Aladwas. They are rich guys who ain't afraid that tribe, race, gender and political correctness nonsense will make them go hungry, lose business and such. I like such guys, and Americans seem to be decided about Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kadudu on April 03, 2016, 01:14:54 PM
Latest national polls shows Trump trailing even in tradional Republican leaning States. The guy has lost the election even before it has started. The GOP leaders have smelt the ratand are all out to stop Trump from getting the party's ticket. Worse for Trump he would loose even worse to Bernie Sanders as to Hillary Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/us/politics/donald-trump-general-election.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on April 11, 2016, 10:53:48 PM
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on April 12, 2016, 11:37:17 PM
Trump is Dr Spin, the rhetoric is just for the primary vote which is predominantly white. Consider his deliberate flip flop and vagueness on abortion, gayism, etc, as soon as he lands the GOP ticket he will embrace Trumpcare and equal pay to appease women. His companies have been outed for utilizing cheap immigrant labor, still he will keep up the anti-Mexico, Islamophobe rhetoric to nail the white vote.

The "anti-establishment" candidate  :D :D Ultimate politician.

Hillary struggles even to shift left to deal with Bernieconomics. Considering the change pendulum swinging against her, plus another ISIS attack in London or EU somewhere ... she will have Cameron to console her.


Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on April 13, 2016, 12:50:38 AM
Hillary slogan: Fighting for us; Hillary for America

Trump slogan: Make America great again!


It's an Obama vs McCain rematch.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on April 16, 2016, 04:23:53 AM
apprentice Blacks now are doing a hatchet job on Trump. Kwame Jackson and Pinkett are on CNN trying to Trump the Donald.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on April 18, 2016, 01:57:09 AM
In other political news: National Black Republican Association endorses Donald J. Trump

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http://blackrepublican.blogspot.ca/2016/01/national-black-republican-association.html

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We, the grassroots activists of the National Black Republican Association, are pleased to announce our endorsement of Donald J. Trump for President of the United States of America.

As citizens who happen to be black, we support Mr. Trump because he shares our values. We, like Mr. Trump, are fiscally conservative, steadfastly pro-life and believers in a small government that fosters freedom for individuals and businesses, so they can grow and become prosperous.

We are deeply concerned about illegal immigration, a major cause of high black unemployment, especially among black youth.

Black Americans across America are beginning to wake up and see clearly the reality of what is happening in black neighborhoods. Democrats have run black communities for the past 60 years and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands, witness Detroit, Baltimore and South Chicago.

We believe that Mr. Trump has demonstrated that he can push back against the mainstream media, end political correctness and free black communities from the destructive grip of socialist Democrats.

We urge our fellow black Americans to seize control over their own destiny and leverage their vote the way other groups do. It is way past time black Americans stop having their vote taken for granted by Democrats, hold politicians accountable for the content of their policies and not vote merely based on the label of their party.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 18, 2016, 11:07:34 PM
Hillary is scary.  She is Dick Cheney in drag.  America needs a leader to normalize its profile in international affairs.  It's too much of a rogue state.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on April 19, 2016, 08:03:07 AM
Interesting. I don't like Hillary and Ted Cruz. Don't mind Trump either. But Sanders is probably the only guy who can fix some issues America has.
Hillary is scary.  She is Dick Cheney in drag.  America needs a leader to normalize its profile in international affairs.  It's too much of a rogue state.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on April 19, 2016, 12:06:59 PM
You're right Sanders seems to get the medical and college crazy costs, political finance reforms, plus ending prison enterprise. Sadly his ideas like free universal education have been called pie-in-the-sky with dismal chance in GOP Congress.

Wall Street-sponsored Hillary... business as usual.

The good guys don't stand a chance. Bernie trails HRC by a whooping 700 delegates  :(


Interesting. I don't like Hillary and Ted Cruz. Don't mind Trump either. But Sanders is probably the only guy who can fix some issues America has.
Hillary is scary.  She is Dick Cheney in drag.  America needs a leader to normalize its profile in international affairs.  It's too much of a rogue state.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on April 19, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
I am a Bernie Mac guy.. Love the granddaddy of socialism. One thing though Vermot has a issue with welfare abuse. I worked there and I was amazed that businesses were closing because residents would rather be on welfare than work.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 19, 2016, 04:46:16 PM
You're right Sanders seems to get the medical and college crazy costs, political finance reforms, plus ending prison enterprise. Sadly his ideas like free universal education have been called pie-in-the-sky with dismal chance in GOP Congress.

Wall Street-sponsored Hillary... business as usual.

The good guys don't stand a chance. Bernie trails HRC by a whooping 700 delegates  :(


Interesting. I don't like Hillary and Ted Cruz. Don't mind Trump either. But Sanders is probably the only guy who can fix some issues America has.
Hillary is scary.  She is Dick Cheney in drag.  America needs a leader to normalize its profile in international affairs.  It's too much of a rogue state.
She is a neocon.  Happy to commit the country to perpetual warfare at the service of the military industrial complex.  Obama tried to dial it back, but it backfired, thanks to her push-back; Libya is her baby.  There would have likely been boots on the ground in Syria under her watch.  With the chaos in the ME she'll be like a child in a candy store.  People will die.

She will say anything to get elected.  In 2008, she paints Obama as a gun-hating liberal, trying to win votes from rural white religious gun lovers; today she paints Sanders as a gun-loving hawk; even trying to suggest that Vermont under Bernie's representation is responsible for gun-violence in New York. 
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on April 19, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
You're right Sanders seems to get the medical and college crazy costs, political finance reforms, plus ending prison enterprise. Sadly his ideas like free universal education have been called pie-in-the-sky with dismal chance in GOP Congress.

Wall Street-sponsored Hillary... business as usual.

The good guys don't stand a chance. Bernie trails HRC by a whooping 700 delegates  :(


Interesting. I don't like Hillary and Ted Cruz. Don't mind Trump either. But Sanders is probably the only guy who can fix some issues America has.
Hillary is scary.  She is Dick Cheney in drag.  America needs a leader to normalize its profile in international affairs.  It's too much of a rogue state.
She is a neocon.  Happy to commit the country to perpetual warfare at the service of the military industrial complex.  Obama tried to dial it back, but it backfired, thanks to her push-back; Libya is her baby.  There would have likely been boots on the ground in Syria under her watch.  With the chaos in the ME she'll be like a child in a candy store.  People will die.

She will say anything to get elected.  In 2008, she paints Obama as a gun-hating liberal, trying to win votes from rural white religious gun lovers; today she paints Sanders as a gun-loving hawk; even trying to suggest that Vermont under Bernie's representation is responsible for gun-violence in New York.

I have a distinct nudge she will not grace the Oval for similar reasons as Obama whooped her on: little authenticity and charm. It is amazing that Trump promises to be much less expeditionary, don't you think?

There was a severe political wind under Obama by now in 08. Now there is one too, just not from Hillary.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on April 27, 2016, 08:04:43 AM
Trumps wins big. He wins five states with really big machines.

This looks like Trump versus Clinton for the main.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on April 27, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
It's squaring out as

Trump - Whites + blue-collars
Clinton - Women + minorities

Killer shot is whose populism can rip more from the other. Training on the poor is where Trump has flipped the classic GOP on its head.

Trumps wins big. He wins five states with really big machines.

This looks like Trump versus Clinton for the main.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on April 27, 2016, 07:19:59 PM
The establishment is anti Trump, but the commoners are for him. GOP created this and now they have to eat it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: gout on May 04, 2016, 11:42:39 AM
Looks Trump is the next Leicester. Consistency despite odds and disbelief.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on May 23, 2016, 04:38:31 AM
The latest EC forecast from Cook:

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DEM: 304
GOP: 190
Toss Up: 44

http://cookpolitical.com/presidential/charts/scorecard
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 24, 2016, 09:42:41 PM
Hillary trails Trump in new Washington Post polls.  She is terribly unlikeable.  As bad as Trump is, people would rather see his face for four years than do the same for Hillary.  If there was a year for a third party even fourth party candidate to have a real shot, 2016 is it.
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It's not the headline, and it takes 219 words to get there, but a new Washington Post poll on the presidential race reveals that Republican Donald Trump leads Democrat Hillary Clinton among registered voters 46 percent to 44 percent.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/begrudging-wapo-poll-trump-46-clinton-44/article/2591982
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Post by: MOON Ki on May 24, 2016, 10:55:53 PM
Hillary trails Trump in new Washington Post polls.  She is terribly unlikeable.  As bad as Trump is, people would rather see his face for four years than do the same for Hillary.  If there was a year for a third party even fourth party candidate to

On the other hand ... from NBC:

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Clinton currently leads Trump by 4 points (47 percent to 43 percent) among registered voters; this margin is nearly unchanged from last week's results.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-majority-americans-dislike-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-n578926

Along with a claim that they are equally detested:

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This week's poll probed how American voters feel about both Trump and Clinton. A majority of voters expressed negative feelings about both leading candidates. Traditionally a fair number of partisans on either side of the aisle express negative opinions about the other party's candidate, but the latest poll found that a majority of voters express negative feelings about both leading candidates.
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Post by: Real P on May 30, 2016, 02:44:23 AM
Hillary trails Trump in new Washington Post polls.  She is terribly unlikeable.  As bad as Trump is, people would rather see his face for four years than do the same for Hillary.  If there was a year for a third party even fourth party candidate to have a real shot, 2016 is it.
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It's not the headline, and it takes 219 words to get there, but a new Washington Post poll on the presidential race reveals that Republican Donald Trump leads Democrat Hillary Clinton among registered voters 46 percent to 44 percent.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/begrudging-wapo-poll-trump-46-clinton-44/article/2591982


Hillary is damaged goods, a flawed candidate of historic proportions. She is still the lesser of two evils. If the presidential election were held today, I will probably vote for her.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on May 30, 2016, 02:51:41 AM
Donald has an ego that if activated may cause problems for USA.
Giving him power is like opening a door to a candy store for a kid.


Hillary trails Trump in new Washington Post polls.  She is terribly unlikeable.  As bad as Trump is, people would rather see his face for four years than do the same for Hillary.  If there was a year for a third party even fourth party candidate to have a real shot, 2016 is it.
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It's not the headline, and it takes 219 words to get there, but a new Washington Post poll on the presidential race reveals that Republican Donald Trump leads Democrat Hillary Clinton among registered voters 46 percent to 44 percent.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/begrudging-wapo-poll-trump-46-clinton-44/article/2591982


Hillary is damaged goods, a flawed candidate of historic proportions. She is still the lesser of two evils. If the presidential election were held today, I will probably vote for her.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Reticent Solipsist on June 10, 2016, 09:36:33 AM
This election will be won on three or four points.

- Demographics
- Cultural variance
- Obama's popularity
- Donald Trump

On demographics, it's clear that the share of white voters in the general elections - presidential - has been declining by an average of three or four percent in every election cycle since the eighties. Put differently, there are not enough angry blue collar white guys to tip the scale for Trump. Meanwhile, minority voters, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians share of the voting population has been rising -- a boon for the Democrats.

As someone who's been voting at the generals since 1992, who vividly recalls the culture wars of the eighties and the nineties on feminism, affirmative action, abortion, and later on gay rights, etc, all I can tell Trump and the Republicans is that this country's culture is changing....fast. Today, when I talk to the twenty and thirty something year old young folks, the so-called millennials, it strikes me that many of those wedge issues are not as important to them.

Frankly and objectively speaking, Barack Obama will go down as one of the ten most significant presidents of this country. One might call me biased, but observing what I have whenever I travel overseas, whenever asked I always remind folks of Obama's momentous achievements: the Iran Nuclear Deal; rapprochement with Cuba; ending the ill conceived war in Iraq; resuscitating the U.S economy in 2009 from imminent depression; solid employment growth over the past six years; fending off China in the South China Sea and in East Asia; standing up for our allies Japan and South Korea vis-a-vis North Korea.

So, Obama's high popularity is a plus for Hillary going forward in the campaign cycle, especially with white women, minority voters, and even with independents and some moderate Republicans.

Trump. The madman with money. Here's a guy who will get his comeuppance and a proper lesson on what really dirty politics and op research in politics mean when he faces off with the unrelenting Clinton machine. Forget Jeb Bush, Rubio, Cruz, and the like.

Trump is sleazy but the Clintons can be sleazier.

I see a 1988 George H. W Bush type shellacking of Dukakis. President Clinton II.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2016, 09:42:52 AM
The polls don't show a shellacking. This race is going down to wire. Obama brought in new votes..blacks, young students & minorities..and Trump is bringing back the disenfranchised white blue-collar Americans. Clinton who couldn't even beat a socilaist Sanders till last minute is certainly far assured from beating Donald Trump who beat many republicans while essentially doing what he is doing. There are so many people who just don't like Hillary.

Hillary is trying to be nice to everyone. Trump has set his eyes on his niche and is not giving a damn about Latinos and Blacks. At end of the day..he knows whites are still 70% plus of the US of A...blacks and latinos maybe 10% each.
 

This election will be won on three or four points.

- Demographics
- Cultural variance
- Obama's popularity
- Donald Trump

On demographics, it's clear that the share of white voters in the general elections - presidential - has been declining by an average of three or four percent in every election cycle since the eighties. Put differently, there are not enough angry blue collar white guys to tip the scale for Trump. Meanwhile, minority voters, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians share of the voting population has been rising -- a boon for the Democrats.

As someone who's been voting at the generals since 1992, who vividly recalls the culture wars of the eighties and the nineties on feminism, affirmative action, abortion, and later on gay rights, etc, all I can tell Trump and the Republicans is that this country's culture is changing....fast. Today, when I talk to the twenty and thirty something year old young folks, the so-called millennials, it strikes me that many of those wedge issues are not as important to them.

Frankly and objectively speaking, Barack Obama will go down as one of the ten most significant presidents of this country. One might call me biased, but observing what I have whenever I travel to overseas, whenever asked I always remind folks of Obama's momentous achievements: the Iran Nuclear Deal; rapprochement with Cuba; ending the ill conceived war in Iraq; resuscitating the U.S economy in 2009 from imminent depression; solid employment growth over the past six years; fending off China in the South China Sea and in East Asia; standing up for our allies Japan and South Korea vis-a-vis North Korea.

So, Obama's high popularity is a plus for Hillary going forward in the campaign cycle, especially with minority voters and even with independents and some moderate Republicans.

Trump. The madman with money. Here's a guy who will get his comeuppance and a proper lesson on what really dirty politics and op research in politics means when he faces off with the Clintons.

Trump is sleazy but the Clintons can be even sleazier.

I see a George H. W Bush type shellacking of Dukakis 1988. President Clinton II.


Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Reticent Solipsist on June 10, 2016, 10:09:40 AM
I would be cautious when citing U.S. demographics. As I stated earlier, in each of our electiion cycles since the 1980s, the share of white voters has a percentage of total voters has been declining by three to four percent - today, I believe it's somewhere in the upper 60s.

Trump will not get the entire 68% of the white vote or whatever it is today. He'll get a majority of the male white vote I would surmise but not enough to make up for his glaring weaknesses among other demographics, including white women and white millennials.

Then remember that this is not Kenya where a sociopath with money can get himself elected president of Kenya despite having "allegedly" killed so many folks in the Rift Valley PEV of 2008.

 As the Clintons get ready to take on and expose Trump - and I'm not particularly a fan of Hillary with her warmongering neocon worldview and her questionable integrity, FOIA issues and email controversy etc - many people will finally see Trump for who he really is: an intellectually shallow, mentally unbalanced, ill-prepared, corrupt, misogynistic man.



The polls don't show a shellacking. This race is going down to wire. Obama brought in new votes..blacks, young students & minorities..and Trump is bringing back the disenfranchised white collar Americans. Clinton who couldn't even beat a socilaist Sanders till last minute is certainly far assured from beating Donald Trump who beat many republicans while essentially doing what he is doing. There are so many people who just don't like Hillary.

Hillary is trying to be nice to everyone. Trump has set his eyes on his niche and is not giving a damn about Latinos and Blacks. At end of the day..he knows whites are still 70% plus of the US of A...blacks and latinos maybe 10% each.
 

This election will be won on three or four points.

- Demographics
- Cultural variance
- Obama's popularity
- Donald Trump

On demographics, it's clear that the share of white voters in the general elections - presidential - has been declining by an average of three or four percent in every election cycle since the eighties. Put differently, there are not enough angry blue collar white guys to tip the scale for Trump. Meanwhile, minority voters, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians share of the voting population has been rising -- a boon for the Democrats.

As someone who's been voting at the generals since 1992, who vividly recalls the culture wars of the eighties and the nineties on feminism, affirmative action, abortion, and later on gay rights, etc, all I can tell Trump and the Republicans is that this country's culture is changing....fast. Today, when I talk to the twenty and thirty something year old young folks, the so-called millennials, it strikes me that many of those wedge issues are not as important to them.

Frankly and objectively speaking, Barack Obama will go down as one of the ten most significant presidents of this country. One might call me biased, but observing what I have whenever I travel to overseas, whenever asked I always remind folks of Obama's momentous achievements: the Iran Nuclear Deal; rapprochement with Cuba; ending the ill conceived war in Iraq; resuscitating the U.S economy in 2009 from imminent depression; solid employment growth over the past six years; fending off China in the South China Sea and in East Asia; standing up for our allies Japan and South Korea vis-a-vis North Korea.

So, Obama's high popularity is a plus for Hillary going forward in the campaign cycle, especially with minority voters and even with independents and some moderate Republicans.

Trump. The madman with money. Here's a guy who will get his comeuppance and a proper lesson on what really dirty politics and op research in politics means when he faces off with the Clintons.

Trump is sleazy but the Clintons can be even sleazier.

I see a George H. W Bush type shellacking of Dukakis 1988. President Clinton II.


Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2016, 11:44:51 AM
I guess kenyans or Kalenjin elected Trump the Republican nominees...not the milllions of Americans republican who preffered him against all men and women of substance and who when polled now have Trump neck and neck with Hillary. Politics is the same everywhere. It is a dirty pig sty everywhere. Trump has his weakness...but he also has strengths that some people are seeing...they see him a strong defender of American interests..they want someone to project American hard power...however impossible..they think Obama has failed.

So in short...until the fat lady sings..stop conflating your personal preference with dispassionate political punditry.

Trump is running strongly. That is a fact.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-5949.html

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I would be cautious when citing U.S. demographics. As I stated earlier, in each of our electiion cycles since the 1980s, the share of white voters has a percentage of total voters has been declining by three to four percent - today, I believe it's somewhere in the upper 60s.

Trump will not get the entire 68% of the white vote or whatever it is today. He'll get a majority of the male white vote I would surmise but not enough to make up for his glaring weaknesses among other demographics, including white women and white millennials.

Then remember that this is not Kenya where a sociopath with money can get himself elected president of Kenya despite having "allegedly" killed so many folks in the Rift Valley PEV of 2008.

 As the Clintons get ready to take on and expose Trump - and I'm not particularly a fan of Hillary with her warmongering neocon worldview and her questionable integrity, FOIA issues and email controversy etc - many people will finally see Trump for who he really is: an intellectually shallow, mentally unbalanced, ill-prepared, corrupt, misogynistic man.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on June 10, 2016, 04:40:31 PM
 Trump is going nowhere after last weeks rant. He entangled himself and is unable to proceed. He is a ranting egomaniac.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 10, 2016, 05:46:30 PM
Both Trump and Clinton are tough sells.  The polls will start to solidify in favor of Clinton once the hurt of the primaries wears off.  Barring an unlikely Bernie third party run.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2016, 06:07:56 PM
Trump has said worse. Most people including the repulican who were fell one after the other make this mistake that trump is an idiot. Really?. How did such an idiot make billion of money. How did he turn 1m dollar he inherited into billions if he wasn't smart.

Trumps doesn't care about blacks and latinos. Just like he doesn't care about liberals. He has basically written them off. Trump just want to pander to white blue-collar/poor whites...the redneck. If they can be energized to vote they can turn the tables against Hillary. Hillary has a problem repeating Obama. Maybe woman will get excited?

Racism in America is real..and Trump didn't invent it..he is playing the race card.....while acting dumb. If Trump can get the racist white Americans out there to turn up and votes..like Obama got the blacks interested in voting...then POTUS Trump is going to become a reality come nov.

Trump is going nowhere after last weeks rant. He entangled himself and is unable to proceed. He is a ranting egomaniac.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2016, 06:17:17 PM
Here is evidence Trump got 3m more republicans to vote for him than Mitt Romney
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckc0dMPW0AAjS_n.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 10, 2016, 07:50:55 PM
Trump has said worse. Most people including the repulican who were fell one after the other make this mistake that trump is an idiot. Really?. How did such an idiot make billion of money. How did he turn 1m dollar he inherited into billions if he wasn't smart.

Trumps doesn't care about blacks and latinos. Just like he doesn't care about liberals. He has basically written them off. Trump just want to pander to white blue-collar/poor whites...the redneck. If they can be energized to vote they can turn the tables against Hillary. Hillary has a problem repeating Obama. Maybe woman will get excited?

Racism in America is real..and Trump didn't invent it..he is playing the race card.....while acting dumb. If Trump can get the racist white Americans out there to turn up and votes..like Obama got the blacks interested in voting...then POTUS Trump is going to become a reality come nov.

Trump is going nowhere after last weeks rant. He entangled himself and is unable to proceed. He is a ranting egomaniac.
I still think his appeal to the Republican right does not translate into the general.  Is there racism?  Yes.  Will people be turned off by Trump for the same?  Yep.  His best chances, and they are terrible, lie in reaching disgruntled Bernie supporters; these voters will vote Hillary before Trump, just on the basis of his racism.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on June 10, 2016, 08:15:37 PM
There are states that trump will win by default....and that is middle of America...whatever Romney/Cain won...Democrats are also winning the coastal  & southern border states by default...the battleground states like Ohio will be down to the extremes of both end..turning up to vote. Most white rednack have not yet had their candidate..now they have somoene not afraid to say what they say in private.
I still think his appeal to the Republican right does not translate into the general.  Is there racism?  Yes.  Will people be turned off by Trump for the same?  Yep.  His best chances, and they are terrible, lie in reaching disgruntled Bernie supporters; these voters will vote Hillary before Trump, just on the basis of his racism.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 12, 2016, 06:55:58 PM
Elizabeth Warren as Clinton's VP is an intriguing concept.  Elizabeth Warren is a more likeable, and would represent the Bernie Sanders platform.  Perhaps that should be the deal that gets Sanders fully behind the ticket. 

The Clinton machine has also started working on Trump; he is going to need serious money to counter that; we'll see where he gets that given that RNC is in disarray.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/06/11/a-hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-pairing-would-be-profoundly-unusual-and-not-just-in-national-politics/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/06/11/a-hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-pairing-would-be-profoundly-unusual-and-not-just-in-national-politics/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on June 12, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
That would be insane. Two women. Money never worked in primary and I doubt it will work. Trump gets free media coz he makes controversial decision one after the other. With shooting in Orlando, Trump crazy idea to ban muslim is going to get traction.
Elizabeth Warren as Clinton's VP is an intriguing concept.  Elizabeth Warren is a more likeable, and would represent the Bernie Sanders platform.  Perhaps that should be the deal that gets Sanders fully behind the ticket. 

The Clinton machine has also started working on Trump; he is going to need serious money to counter that; we'll see where he gets that given that RNC is in disarray.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/06/11/a-hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-pairing-would-be-profoundly-unusual-and-not-just-in-national-politics/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/06/11/a-hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-pairing-would-be-profoundly-unusual-and-not-just-in-national-politics/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 12, 2016, 09:06:26 PM
That would be insane. Two women. Money never worked in primary and I doubt it will work. Trump gets free media coz he makes controversial decision one after the other. With shooting in Orlando, Trump crazy idea to ban muslim is going to get traction.
Elizabeth Warren as Clinton's VP is an intriguing concept.  Elizabeth Warren is a more likeable, and would represent the Bernie Sanders platform.  Perhaps that should be the deal that gets Sanders fully behind the ticket. 

The Clinton machine has also started working on Trump; he is going to need serious money to counter that; we'll see where he gets that given that RNC is in disarray.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/06/11/a-hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-pairing-would-be-profoundly-unusual-and-not-just-in-national-politics/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2016/06/11/a-hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-pairing-would-be-profoundly-unusual-and-not-just-in-national-politics/)
He is getting negative media.  In the primary all he had to do was appeal to the racist Republican base.  Most folks, like 90 something % that are turned on by racist campaigns were already domiciled in that party.  That primary.  Can he spread the hate?  I doubt it.  Obama won twice, not because people did not try.

Trump generally has negative appeal.  He needs the Republican voters to be committed to him, to have a chance(in some cases to even retain current red states).  I see that as more of a problem for him than Hillary and Bernie supporters.  Hillary's own lack of appeal, is what will save him from being bulldozed.

I think the polls should settle in the next few weeks.  Barring some drama from the FBI on the Clinton email affair, she should be on her way.  People will hold their noses and vote for her.

Here is the first salvo from Clinton; it's currently doing loops on mainstream TV.  In addition to free negative media .  Watched by an unsympathetic non-Republican crowd.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on June 12, 2016, 09:25:40 PM
Trump is going to get an up swing post-orlando terror attack.He is going to milk this and make a meal out of it. For me it really down to blacks/hispanic versus rednecks. The ultra liberals & ultra conservative will sort out each other. Who will come to vote. So far Trump is polling 41% versus 44% Hillary- on average in national and most of battleground states. Trump started worse in rethugs nomination. Still a lot of people who are undecided. It down to having another democrat running Obama 3rd term or a new crazy dude. I think US of A is ready for a crazy dude.

Btw now and nov...a lot will happen...choice of VP..convention...who knows.

He is getting negative media.  In the primary all he had to do was appeal to the racist Republican base.  Most folks, like 90 something % that are turned on by racist campaigns were already domiciled in that party.  That primary.  Can he spread the hate?  I doubt it.  Obama won twice, not because people did not try.

Trump generally has negative appeal.  He needs the Republican voters to be committed to him, to have a chance(in some cases to even retain current red states).  I see that as more of a problem for him than Hillary and Bernie supporters.  Hillary's own lack of appeal, is what will save him from being bulldozed.

I think the polls should settle in the next few weeks.  Barring some drama from the FBI on the Clinton email affair, she should be on her way.  People will hold their noses and vote for her.

Here is the first salvo from Clinton; it's currently doing loops on mainstream TV.  In addition to free negative media .  Watched by an unsympathetic non-Republican crowd.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 12, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
Yeah, he'll try to gain from Orlando.  But he has to be smart about it.  The general electoral undecideds tend to be a bit more swayed by convincing arguments.  The ban all Muslims approach won't work, for the simple reason that Omar was natural born citizen in the first place.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on June 13, 2016, 06:16:45 AM
Never seen somebody politicize a tragedy so quickly. The Donald is milking it.

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In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words 'Radical Islam'. For that reason alone, he should step down.

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If we do not get tough and smart real fast, we are not going to have a country anymore. Because our leaders are weak, I said this was going to happen – and it is only going to get worse.

Trump's full statement is here.   (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j-trump-statement-regarding-tragic-terrorist-attacks)

Also, pasted below 


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Last night, our nation was attacked by a radical Islamic terrorist. It was the worst terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, and the second of its kind in 6 months. My deepest sympathy and support goes out to the victims, the wounded, and their families.

In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words 'Radical Islam'. For that reason alone, he should step down. If Hillary Clinton, after this attack, still cannot say the two words 'Radical Islam' she should get out of this race for the Presidency.

If we do not get tough and smart real fast, we are not going to have a country anymore. Because our leaders are weak, I said this was going to happen – and it is only going to get worse. I am trying to save lives and prevent the next terrorist attack. We can't afford to be politically correct anymore.

The terrorist, Omar Mir Saddique Mateen, is the son of an immigrant from Afghanistan who openly published his support for the Afghanistani Taliban and even tried to run for President of Afghanistan. According to Pew, 99% of people in Afghanistan support oppressive Sharia Law.

We admit more than 100,000 lifetime migrants from the Middle East each year. Since 9/11, hundreds of migrants and their children have been implicated in terrorism in the United States.


Hillary Clinton wants to dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East, bringing in many hundreds of thousands during a first term – and we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing.

We need to protect all Americans, of all backgrounds and all beliefs, from Radical Islamic Terrorism - which has no place in an open and tolerant society. Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, Jews, Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans, and I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.


- Donald J. Trump
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 18, 2016, 06:40:02 PM
A gap is opening up in the race.

Clinton leads by 7% in NBC polls.  14% in Bloomberg.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/bloomberg-selzer-24677 (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/bloomberg-selzer-24677)
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/nbc-surveymonkey-24667 (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/nbc-surveymonkey-24667)
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 30, 2016, 05:54:01 PM
Trump jumps ahead of Hillary.  We are in a sick place when Trump and Hillary are the main options.

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Donald Trump has jumped ahead of Hillary Clinton by 4 percentage points, the first time he has led her in a national poll since 38 days ago.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters from Rasmussen Reports found that 43 per cent would vote for Trump if the November election were held today, compared with 39 per cent for Clinton.
That represents a 9-point swing in just the last week: Seven days ago the same pollsters reported that Clinton was leading the presidential race by 5 points.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667913/Trump-Republican-pulls-ahead-Hillary-Clinton-4-points-shock-poll-trailing-5-week-ago.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667913/Trump-Republican-pulls-ahead-Hillary-Clinton-4-points-shock-poll-trailing-5-week-ago.html)
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on July 01, 2016, 08:21:35 AM
The bump is expected. With Orlando, Brexit and Ankara terror attacks. I think Trump after making peace with his party will be unassailable. That should happen once he select a VP and rethugs hold their convention. So far he has been dealing with lots of friendly fires....from the likes of McCain,Romney and other rethugs who don't trust him.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on July 16, 2016, 08:30:45 AM
So trump settle on Mike Prince for VP.I see the poll numbers are tight. Hillary VP choice is romoured to be military general.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on July 16, 2016, 08:18:11 PM
Expectedly... make up for weaknesses with veeps. I call it for Trump: ISIS is a golden goose.


So trump settle on Mike Prince for VP.I see the poll numbers are tight. Hillary VP choice is romoured to be military general.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on July 20, 2016, 12:54:00 PM
It seems Melania Trump's speech writer copied Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech stanza by stanza. To keep the comic headlines rolling of course. Apparently noone will be fired for this "mistake".
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 22, 2016, 04:51:49 PM
We should see a bump in Trump's overall numbers after the convention.  The popular numbers are kinder to him thus far.  The electoral college math still looks like a nightmare for Trump; this is the only thing that matters.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on July 22, 2016, 05:26:51 PM
This is Trump election to lose. ISIS are making him POTUS every day they attack the white world. Looking at battleground states - they're pretty tight now. Just like Britain shocked everybody by exiting EU - American whites are ready for Trump. I am not sure how Trump will implode - he has said all the stupid (iest) things one could say already - and yet he still very very strong.

Real clear - battle ground states
                       Clinton versus Trump
Pennsylvania   45.5   42.3   Clinton +3.2
Florida   44.0   43.4   Clinton +0.6
Ohio   43.5   42.0   Clinton +1.5Trending Down ---Clinton is having problem in place where Obama won with 69% and where a rethug has to win - and Trump will carry this big.
Wisconsin   44.3   38.7   Clinton +5.6
Iowa   42.3   39.3   Clinton +3.0
Virginia   43.8   39.0   Clinton +4.8
North Carolina   44.0   42.0   Clinton +2.0
Georgia   40.8   45.0   Trump +4.2
New Hampshire   43.4   40.8   Clinton +2.6
We should see a bump in Trump's overall numbers after the convention.  The popular numbers are kinder to him thus far.  The electoral college math still looks like a nightmare for Trump; this is the only thing that matters.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 22, 2016, 05:42:16 PM
This is Trump election to lose. ISIS are making him POTUS every day they attack the white world. Looking at battleground states - they're pretty tight now. Just like Britain shocked everybody by exiting EU - American whites are ready for Trump. I am not sure how Trump will implode - he has said all the stupid (iest) things one could say already - and yet he still very very strong.

Real clear - battle ground states
                       Clinton versus Trump
Pennsylvania   45.5   42.3   Clinton +3.2
Florida   44.0   43.4   Clinton +0.6
Ohio   43.5   42.0   Clinton +1.5Trending Down ---Clinton is having problem in place where Obama won with 69% and where a rethug has to win - and Trump will carry this big.
Wisconsin   44.3   38.7   Clinton +5.6
Iowa   42.3   39.3   Clinton +3.0
Virginia   43.8   39.0   Clinton +4.8
North Carolina   44.0   42.0   Clinton +2.0
Georgia   40.8   45.0   Trump +4.2
New Hampshire   43.4   40.8   Clinton +2.6
We should see a bump in Trump's overall numbers after the convention.  The popular numbers are kinder to him thus far.  The electoral college math still looks like a nightmare for Trump; this is the only thing that matters.

Clinton still has a path even including losing the big three Pensylvannia, Ohio, Florida.  Trump must win North Carolina and all the big three.  That a state like Georgia is even in play is actually a bad sign for Trump.  Georgia is usually reliably red.  She has an easier path to the white house than Obama did.

The thing killing Trump.  He has excited his base, some of whom are in reliably blue states.  So his popular numbers go up, even in situations where it means nothing because of the winner take all nature of the electoral college.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2016, 11:57:08 AM
Clinton choices a spanish senator Kaine. I think he already had the spanish vote - and should have chosen a military general - considering Trump has ran away with security.

In the meantime Trump is closing on Hillary

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on July 23, 2016, 12:43:19 PM
Fresh ISIS attack in Munich, 8 dead. Hillary will be toast soon.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 23, 2016, 03:10:00 PM
Clinton choices a spanish senator Kaine. I think he already had the spanish vote - and should have chosen a military general - considering Trump has ran away with security.

In the meantime Trump is closing on Hillary

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus


Tim Kaine is a WASP.  An old white man.  A safe establishment type of guy.  Hillary is making it harder than it should be.  Shooting herself in the foot.  Only days ago this guy called for the deregulation of the banking industry.

She should have picked a flaming liberal as a nod to Bernie Sanders base.  A general would do her no good because she is already considered a hawk.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: MOON Ki on July 23, 2016, 08:35:53 PM
Tim Kaine is a WASP.  An old white man.  A safe establishment type of guy.  Hillary is making it harder than it should be.  Shooting herself in the foot.  Only days ago this guy called for the deregulation of the banking industry.

She should have picked a flaming liberal as a nod to Bernie Sanders base.  A general would do her no good because she is already considered a hawk.

I just listened to the guy do it in the habla lingo, how experiences south of the border changed his life, etc.    The Hispanic vote is in.  Smart move.   
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 24, 2016, 05:48:54 AM
Tim Kaine is a WASP.  An old white man.  A safe establishment type of guy.  Hillary is making it harder than it should be.  Shooting herself in the foot.  Only days ago this guy called for the deregulation of the banking industry.

She should have picked a flaming liberal as a nod to Bernie Sanders base.  A general would do her no good because she is already considered a hawk.

I just listened to the guy do it in the habla lingo, how experiences south of the border changed his life, etc.    The Hispanic vote is in.  Smart move.   
I kind of feel like she already has the Hispanic vote.  They won't touch Trump with a 10 foot pole.  It would make a difference if he increases their turnout from the upper 40 percent to maybe 70 percent or something.  The vote that I think she is risking are the Sanders fanatics.  They won't touch Trump with a 40 foot pole.  But they may just not be motivated enough to show up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 03:33:44 PM
For the firstime in realclearpolitics average polls I am seeing Trump overtook clinton
RCP Poll Average   43.9   44.1   Trump +0.2Trending Up
4-Way RCP Average   40.4   39.8   Clinton +0.6Trending Down
RCP Electoral Map   202   164   

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 25, 2016, 04:09:48 PM
For the firstime in realclearpolitics average polls I am seeing Trump overtook clinton
RCP Poll Average   43.9   44.1   Trump +0.2Trending Up
4-Way RCP Average   40.4   39.8   Clinton +0.6Trending Down
RCP Electoral Map   202   164   

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
As expected.  The numbers should stabilize after Clinton's turn to dominate prime time uncontested for a week.

That said, fanatic turnout by Trump's tribe could tilt the popular vote to him.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 05:30:00 PM
Democratic convention - what new thing will Hillary say to capture the people attention. Seem like the boring I am a safe pair of hands. Trump will continue to hog the news because he is attention seeking whore who will blurt nonsense after nonsense.

Then terror....

Germany has had terrible week of terror -after they let thousands of Syrian in- advantage Trump!
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 25, 2016, 05:38:58 PM
Democratic convention - what new thing will Hillary say to capture the people attention. Seem like the boring I am a safe pair of hands. Trump will continue to hog the news because he is attention seeking whore who will blurt nonsense after nonsense.

The terror....

Germany has had terrible week of terror -after they let thousands of Syrian in- advantage Trump
She won't say anything new.  Just as Trump said nothing new. 

It's just the constant bombardment of the activities of the convention, mostly under the control and direction of her machine, on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, ABC, what have you, 24/7.

Monday, Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders say nice things.  Tuesday, Bill Clinton.  Wednesday Obama brings his gravitas.  Something like that.  Trump takes a back seat having to rely on paid adverts, in specific targeted states.

The intervening period before the debates is likely to get dirty.  By debate time, the dirt having done as much as possible, there is tiny sliver mostly of thoughtful voters still undecided.  Thoughtful voters and Trump...

Still, Hillary herself is Trump's best shot.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kichwa on July 25, 2016, 10:01:40 PM
Hilary will run away with this one. Its not going to be close.  A landslide in US elections is anything over 55%.  I think Hilary will get about 53% popular vote and over 300 in electoral college.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 26, 2016, 04:55:19 AM
Cory Booker auditioning Obama style for 2024.  After Hillary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on July 26, 2016, 02:35:12 PM
Democratic convention - what new thing will Hillary say to capture the people attention. Seem like the boring I am a safe pair of hands. Trump will continue to hog the news because he is attention seeking whore who will blurt nonsense after nonsense.

The terror....

Germany has had terrible week of terror -after they let thousands of Syrian in- advantage Trump
She won't say anything new.  Just as Trump said nothing new. 

It's just the constant bombardment of the activities of the convention, mostly under the control and direction of her machine, on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, ABC, what have you, 24/7.

Monday, Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders say nice things.  Tuesday, Bill Clinton.  Wednesday Obama brings his gravitas.  Something like that.  Trump takes a back seat having to rely on paid adverts, in specific targeted states.

The intervening period before the debates is likely to get dirty.  By debate time, the dirt having done as much as possible, there is tiny sliver mostly of thoughtful voters still undecided.  Thoughtful voters and Trump...

Still, Hillary herself is Trump's best shot.

Melania's plagiary of Michelle's speech was a "mistake" designed to capture the news.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 26, 2016, 05:16:47 PM
The best Melania can do is what?  Mimick Michelle?  She has her work cut out.


This man is the second black President come 2024.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kichwa on July 26, 2016, 05:41:22 PM
Cory needs to get married and have some kids running around or he needs to come-out otherwise the rumors will never end.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on July 26, 2016, 10:49:58 PM
Cory needs to get married and have some kids running around or he needs to come-out otherwise the rumors will never end.

With Trump helping spread the rumours:

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on July 27, 2016, 10:07:11 AM
Been watching the Nate Silver's thing - and last week Tramp had less than 40% chance of winning - now it neck to neck. Clinton is toast.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Real P on July 30, 2016, 11:35:44 AM
(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/07/28/khizr-khan-muslim-father-of-fallen-soldier-shames-donald-trump-at-dnc/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48991951.cached.jpg)

The father of Muslim soldier killed in action delivered a brutal repudiation of Donald Trump at the DNC



This was probably one of the most unsuspected but incredible powerful speeches of the DNC. He wasn't the most eloquent or the best public speaker but he was speaking from the heart and every point he made was rock solid and cut to the core of the issues surrounding Trump and the BS he spews about himself and others. When he pulled that pocket constitution out that was it, he basically slapped Trump across the face in front of millions and stared him in the eye afterward.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 02, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
If the current poll numbers are sustained Hillary is sleepwalking into the White House.  http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

At the moment Trump is fairing badly.  So badly he is starting to focus on excuses.  Roger Stone, a Trump anal wipe has promised a bloodbath if(when) Trump loses.
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"If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government," Stone said. He also promised a "bloodbath" if the Democrats attempt to "steal" the election.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-general-election-rigged-potential-challenge
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on August 02, 2016, 07:59:12 PM
If the current poll numbers are sustained Hillary is sleepwalking into the White House.  http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

At the moment Trump is fairing badly.  So badly he is starting to focus on excuses.  Roger Stone, a Trump anal wipe has promised a bloodbath if(when) Trump loses.
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"If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government," Stone said. He also promised a "bloodbath" if the Democrats attempt to "steal" the election.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-general-election-rigged-potential-challenge

Now that I think about it a bit more, is predestined to implode.  In other words, if you want to hurt grandiose narcissists, target their feelings of job accomplishment (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201111/beware-the-narcissistic-bubble), exactly what Khan unwittingly did.

Wait until the debates, which some are beginning to suspect he wants to avoid at all costs. But whether he debates or not, the implosion is coming, especially the closer he gets to the election date, the more untouchable he's gonna feel.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 04, 2016, 05:58:17 PM
If the current poll numbers are sustained Hillary is sleepwalking into the White House.  http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/)

At the moment Trump is fairing badly.  So badly he is starting to focus on excuses.  Roger Stone, a Trump anal wipe has promised a bloodbath if(when) Trump loses.
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"If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government," Stone said. He also promised a "bloodbath" if the Democrats attempt to "steal" the election.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-general-election-rigged-potential-challenge (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-general-election-rigged-potential-challenge)

Now that I think about it a bit more, is predestined to implode.  In other words, if you want to hurt grandiose narcissists, target their feelings of job accomplishment (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201111/beware-the-narcissistic-bubble), exactly what Khan unwittingly did.

Wait until the debates, which some are beginning to suspect he wants to avoid at all costs. But whether he debates or not, the implosion is coming, especially the closer he gets to the election date, the more untouchable he's gonna feel.

He does have a serious personality disorder.  The kind that will not permit him to correct course.  He did so well appealing to the Republican crass racism, that he assumed the same formula would work in the general.  To put it plainly he doesn't know how to appeal to the rest of population. 

He has to actually try to sound less bombastic, more reasonable, even convincing.  Like a grown up.  But if he does that, the red necks will peel off.  He will keep his faithful bunch of racists, and basically go down with them. 

Right now Hillary can shoot someone in Times Square and sleepwalk into the White House.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on August 04, 2016, 11:19:20 PM
Doubts emeging that Mrs. Melania Trump probably wasn't legal when she first started working in the States:

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I cringed this morning when I read this story in Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/melania-trump-immigration-donald-226648) which pretty clearly demonstrated that Melania Trump was an undocumented worker for years when she began her modeling career in the US in the mid-90s. I say I cringed not because there's anything wrong with the piece but because we too were working on it back in February and March and had it pretty well nailed. The hold up was that there was at least one theoretically possible way she could have been legal that we couldn't definitively rule out since the Trumps' of course were not going to answer any questions or provide any of her immigrants papers. The irony in all of this is that the evidence against Trump comes almost entirely from her own mouth, specifically a January interview she gave to Harper's Bazaar and a subsequent TV interview with Mika Brzezinski in which she explained that she was nothing like those awful 'illegals' her husband wants to expel en masse.

The key is this passage in that interview (http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a13529/melania-trump-interview-0216/) ...

"I came here for my career, and I did so well, I moved here. It never crossed my mind to stay here without papers. That is just the person you are. You follow the rules. You follow the law. Every few months you need to fly back to Europe and stamp your visa. After a few visas, I applied for a green card and got it in 2001. After the green card, I applied for citizenship. And it was a long process."

None of our readers seem to have read that profile - or at least they didn't make the connection and tell us. But at least two did see her subsequent late February interview with Mika Brzezinski in which she made essentially the same claims.

"I followed the law. I never thought to stay here without papers. I had a visa, I traveled every few months back to the country to Slovenia to stamp the visa. I came back, I applied for the green card, I applied for the citizenship later on after many years of green card. So I went by system, I went by the law. And you should do that, you should not just say let me stay here and whatever happens, happens."

The irony here is that Melania lays it on rather thick about how she's nothing like the people her husband wants to boot out of the country. Let's call it her 'I was legit white immigrant' tour.

Here's the problem, as both TPM Readers JSK (immigrant) and PG (immigration lawyer) noted to us in emails: the set of circumstances Melania describes makes it almost certain that she was in the US on travel/visitor visas rather than a work visa. If you're on a work visa you don't have to keep traveling back and forth to get your visa renewed. (The Politico article goes through the technical names for these different kinds of visas.)

There is a possible exception: very high profile athletes and models can get a kind of visa which allows them to visit the country and work for a short period of time. But Melania wasn't in that echelon at all. She was one of many models trying to get a start in the business doing mainly catalog work.

The upshot is that Melania was almost certainly working in the US illegally. And every time she returned to the country and passed through immigration she would have had to have committed fraud by saying she in the US to visit rather than work.

In theory this would make her subsequent Green Card and even citizenship suspect, based on visa fraud earlier in the process.

It is only fair to say that based on our reporting this sort of illegal work was rife in the modeling industry at the time. This wouldn't have made her a particularly egregious example. But then few of those women are now married to a man who wants a zero tolerance policy that would lead to the expulsion of 3% of the current US population.

So if you're inclined to snark, Trump's third wife was an 'illegal'. Even her status in the country today could, in theory, be suspect.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/was-melania-trump-an-illegal-also-argh

Here's all she had to say about it, without addressing the dates in question:

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on August 05, 2016, 10:07:25 AM
Yeap Donald on the ropes now. But don't count him out yet. He is an alley cat.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Empedocles on August 05, 2016, 11:30:14 AM
Yeap Donald on the ropes now. But don't count him out yet. He is an alley cat.

He's completely unhinged.

The more things get worse for him, the more he'll do crazy stuff which will chase even more voters from his camp.

The guy is completely bonkers! Like, what in the world is this?


Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 05, 2016, 06:55:30 PM
Yeap Donald on the ropes now. But don't count him out yet. He is an alley cat.

It really depends on Clinton.  Trump lacks the discipline to simply channel maturity.  Let alone a winning argument.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on September 06, 2016, 11:46:24 PM
Trump catching up fast. 3% behind now per RCP

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: RV Pundit on September 07, 2016, 09:42:39 AM
Yeah seem Trump is coming back up. Hillary just isn't likeable and trustworthy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on September 07, 2016, 11:08:22 AM
Yeah Clinton just lacks charm. Trump needs to improve ground game/turnout the vote to upstage her in swing states.

Yeah seem Trump is coming back up. Hillary just isn't likeable and trustworthy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on September 07, 2016, 04:41:24 PM
Robina,
Am not a Clinton fan but Trump's ego will take the country back 50+ years.
A man who spews anything for a vote is not someone you can trust. Some time back Ventura and Swatzneggar spewed their way into Minesotta and California governorships and drove Minessota and California into oblivion. Jerry has been nursing CA and its resurecting slowly. Things have been so good for 4yrs now that people forget. Think before you even lean Donald.
My friend was telling me that the guy will change once he is in office, yes he will but, it will be his way.

Yeah Clinton just lacks charm. Trump needs to improve ground game/turnout the vote to upstage her in swing states.

Yeah seem Trump is coming back up. Hillary just isn't likeable and trustworthy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on September 07, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
So you say. We are discussing likelihoods/merits/etc not our personal preferences :) Anyway he has articulated the redneck's plight. I like him for that.

Robina,
Am not a Clinton fan but Trump's ego will take the country back 50+ years.
A man who spews anything for a vote is not someone you can trust. Some time back Ventura and Swatzneggar spewed their way into Minesotta and California governorships and drove Minessota and California into oblivion. Jerry has been nursing CA and its resurecting slowly. Things have been so good for 4yrs now that people forget. Think before you even lean Donald.
My friend was telling me that the guy will change once he is in office, yes he will but, it will be his way.

Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 07, 2016, 08:53:55 PM
Trump has rebounded from his low.  Part of it is just being not TOO stupid.  That is how low the bar is for him.  And that is also how bad Clinton is as a candidate.  Both candidates are unappealing.  He is ultimately the more unappealing candidate.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 14, 2016, 03:59:50 PM
Trump has hit his ceiling.  Clinton's focus should now be the turnout machine and she makes history most unpopular candidate to win the White House.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Nefertiti on September 14, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
Trump has hit his ceiling.  Clinton's focus should now be the turnout machine and she makes history most unpopular candidate to win the White House.

Yes, she better. Turnout likelihood favors Trump. She also must avoid lies (health, etc) and Trumpish recklessness like terming his supporters as deplorables.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Georgesoros on September 14, 2016, 11:50:27 PM
It's a pity that there's nothing to discuss about this year but personalities. Very little policy, especially from republicans has made this election very boring.
Title: Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 15, 2016, 02:04:35 AM
Trump has hit his ceiling.  Clinton's focus should now be the turnout machine and she makes history most unpopular candidate to win the White House.

Yes, she better. Turnout likelihood favors Trump. She also must avoid lies (health, etc) and Trumpish recklessness like terming his supporters as deplorables.


She is at her weakest point the last week and a half.  And Trump still trails in most polls.  And Hillary is very unpopular.  That should say something about Trump's own popularity.  He can't seem to get past 41 percent.