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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on April 02, 2015, 08:21:40 AM
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Scores reportedly dead
Many hostages
Blasts & gunfire reported as masked gunmen attack Garrisa University in Kenya
http://rt.com/news/246121-kenya-attack-garissa-university/
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GoK dismissed a recent warning and advisory on the attack
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Omorlo,
I have seen circulars for UoN and I think USIU over the same. Looks like Garissa ignored it
GoK dismissed a recent warning and advisory on the attack
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The killers posed as fellow worshippers. Are they killing fellow Muslims or were they at a church?
It's not obvious, to me, how building a wall on the Somalia border is a solution to this menace.
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I have seen the circulars. That is perhaps what caused the lapse. Some people imagine that if the attack plans are known then the attack wont happen.
Omorlo,
I have seen circulars for UoN and I think USIU over the same. Looks like Garissa ignored it
GoK dismissed a recent warning and advisory on the attack
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I saw this Kenian lady,she is with Foreign Affairs saying she don't think the government is going to do it.
The killers posed as fellow worshippers. Are they killing fellow Muslims or were they at a church?
It's not obvious, to me, how building a wall on the Somalia border is a solution to this menace.
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From FB
Subject: TERROR THREAT
From: mailadmin@uonbi.ac.ke
Date: Thu, March 26, 2015 8:28 am
To: all@uonbi.ac.ke
Cc: all@students.uonbi.ac.ke
TERROR THREAT ALERT
Intelligence reports indicate that the Al Shabaab terror group is planning retaliatory attacks on vital installations in Nairobi including a major University. The information is already being processed by the relevant government agencies with an objective of putting necessary measures in place to foil any such attempts.
You are hereby advised to continue being vigilant and diligent while in the University and other crowded places. Be conscious of any suspicious persons and/or luggage as you go about your daily schedules.
Please report any security concerns by calling the University control room on any of the following numbers 0717035268, 0750982391, 0731453263, 020-2319186, 020-2319172, 020-318262 or the nearest security office.
We reaffirm our commitment to always ensure a safe and secure environment for the University community and property.
XYZ
CHIEF SECURITY OFFICER
UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI
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Death toll is 147 and counting
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Death toll is 147 and counting
These niggas are messing around with Kenyans.
I think Kenya either pulls out of Somalia, or declares open hunting season in Somalia and the borderlands. You cannot have one foot in, one foot out.
Because of corruption and disorganization, I say they get out of Somalia.
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What a tragedy. It is astonishing that towns in the former NEP do not have better security. KDF should abandon the charcoal business, pull back into Kenya, and focus on securing ex-NEP.
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What a tragedy. It is astonishing that towns in the former NEP do not have better security. KDF should abandon the charcoal business, pull back into Kenya, and focus on securing ex-NEP.
Yep. I am almost certain the casualties will go up. They accounted for about 500 hundred students out of a population of a 1,000 or thereabouts.
Very scant reports on the local TV channels; the mental state of the germanwings co-pilot still dominating the headlines here.
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Big score for alshabaab; they strike in Mandera where police are tens of miles away, they strike in Garissa with KDF and Police right there.
In Westgate we was told of 'hundreds', turned ouut to be 69. I don't see it going over 147
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Move out of Somali. Hand over AMISON Kenya sector to some other peace keeping nation. Japan and India are aggressively looking for such opportunities. No way Alshabab will cross oceans to attack India or Japan.
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Pundit
More people are moving closer to the view we expressed several years ago. I know you opposed the Somalia incursion as I did. We said then that the cheers will turn to tears and got hot water in our faces from "patriotic" Kenyans singing Operation Linda Nchi. Uhuru has failed.
In history if you inherit a war and refuse to end it, it kills you politically - sometimes physically.
Move out of Somali. Hand over AMISON Kenya sector to some other peace keeping nation. Japan and India are aggressively looking for such opportunities. No way Alshabab will cross oceans to attack India or Japan.
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I just saw a picture. It's too much to share. Bodies in a hall of residence. More than 50 for sure. Looks like they were going door to door and shooting people.
If these attackers were four as alleged. I am thinking if those kids had some military training, they could have fought back, even without weapons. Perhaps it's time to introduce compulsory military boot camp for college students; not many Al-Shabab types in those ranks.
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By the way, has anybody seen Uhuru? He seems to have gone AWOL since he made the police-training order, early on in the situation. Since then, Nkaissery has made a statement and offered condolences over the death of 147, and many others (including foreigners) have made the expected type of statement. But I have yet to read of anything from Uhuru or see a video of him making a statement. Not even in the Kenyan papers.
And just a few days ago:
'President Uhuru Kenyatta has criticised the UK for issuing travel advisories to its citizens, saying they were based on “untrue” information about Kenya’s security.
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“We want to encourage, especially our brothers and sisters from the African continent, to travel in Africa. Help us promote this country. Help us tell them Kenya is safe,” he said.'
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-tells-off-UK-for-fresh-travel-warning/-/1056/2673468/-/1mepp4z/-/index.html
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4 people? That is not like Al Shabaab. They follow the Chechen style where a large group seizes an institution. They achieve their objective and split in to two. The larger group leaves to take back tapes and other propaganda material. A small group of hard core suicide bombers stay behind to provide cover for the larger group to escape. I believe they were done by dawn and simply shot to divert attention.
I just saw a picture. It's too much to share. Bodies in a hall of residence. More than 50 for sure. Looks like they were going door to door and shooting people.
If these attackers were four as alleged. I am thinking if those kids had some military training, they could have fought back, even without weapons. Perhaps it's time to introduce compulsory military boot camp for college students; not many Al-Shabab types in those ranks.
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following the Chinese model. Deny the environment is ok while people can't even breathe. Security can take hrs even in NRB to come to rescue. Theres not even a 911 system, in a country that is spending trilions on rails that many can't use. Counties are spending money on big cars and iPads but not security.
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This is interesting, survivors , two of them insist that the attackers wore balaclavas but they spoke FLUENT Swahili, meaning they are coasterners. Will paste a clip
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This is interesting, survivors , two of them insist that the attackers wore balaclavas but they spoke FLUENT Swahili, meaning they are coasterners. Will paste a clip
vooke
that is the reason it has always been stupid to profile Somalis. European countries have learnt to look at these movements broadly. They see all races trekking down to join them. Al Shabaab has membership from all over East Africa.
Note that anybody from TZ can speak Swahili as well as a Kenyan Mpwani. I also recalled Comoros and Mauritius
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What a good Friday! :( It's time for a national dialogue, we need to come up with a PLAN as a people,just as we did when we all decided that a new constitution was a must. Corruption is a matter of our very survival now. But it is such a huuuge Goliath, how to slay it? P Uhuru can't fight it alone as it is a disease that has firmly become the culture of Kenya at every level and the man has so much baggagehimself from his clan. It just is no longer sustainable, this corruption. Even for people used to corruption like Kenyans. We will collapse. If we need to totally overhaul our entire security apparatus, we must sober up, count the cost and willingly take it up. Even if we have to forgive past corruption in order to start on a clean slate with absolute zero tolerance with serious jail-time consequences, I am willing to make that sacrifice if it will allow the mafias to let us move on. The people who committed corruption in the past are the ones holding us back. We thought having a good document was enough in 2005, 2007, and 2010, but it clearly is not. The problem is our rotten dying culture and we are learning very fast that it is now a matter of life and death. You can't change a culture single-handedly. You need to convince the people on a course that we can we can all take on.
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Termie,
Tell me Negro is not 10 lightyears behind bazungu
At Westgate, RECCE almost had it until the badass KDF marched in with tanks.
Now we are told 18 negros highly trained by seasoned Jews took 12 minutes to end the siege but they was sent in 12 hour later!
Can I conjecture that a significant number was slain by KDF
When will Negro EVER learn from experience?
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Termie,
Tell me Negro is not 10 lightyears behind bazungu
At Westgate, RECCE almost had it until the badass KDF marched in with tanks.
Now we are told 18 negros highly trained by seasoned Jews took 12 minutes to end the siege but they was sent in 12 hour later!
Can I conjecture that a significant number was slain by KDF
When will Negro EVER learn from experience?
vooke,
I have to say the Negro has similar capacity as anyone else, less I be falsely accused.
That said, it is intriguing why these things happen the way they do here. Why they do not have these highly trained fellows on every police squad is beyond me. The Jews are not aliens with any special capabilities. Most of what they will teach these guys is just to value information, most of it already in the public domain, and how to exploit it.
In Westgate, a Somali businessman and a handful of plainclothes cops and reservists did far more to rescue people, by their mere presence, than Kenya's special forces which showed up hours after the fellows were done butchering.
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If the REECE story is true, then it raises new questions about what, if anything, was learned from Westgate. One would like to imagine that post-Westgate the Kenyan security forces have developed some plans for how to deal with such a situation. What would such a plan involve? Even if all the relevant security personnel are located in Nairobi, surely it can't take more than 30 minutes to fly to Garissa.
A major problem is that things like Westgate, Mpeketoni, etc. tend to be buried in an accept-and-move-on without anyone even being clear as to what exactly happened and how.
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If the REECE story is true, then it raises new questions about what, if anything, was learned from Westgate. One would like to imagine that post-Westgate the Kenyan security forces have developed some plans for how to deal with such a situation. What would such a plan involve? Even if all the relevant security personnel are located in Nairobi, surely it can't take more than 30 minutes to fly to Garissa.
A major problem is that things like Westgate, Mpeketoni, etc. tend to be buried in an accept-and-move-on without anyone even being clear as to what exactly happened and how.
Yep. Garissa will be forgotten in another week or thereabouts.
If you watch the Westgate documentary, you will notice a handful of guys with pistols distracted the killers enough to let people escape. It seems to me that a credible threat of quick intervention reduces the number of soft targets drastically.
I am surprised that KDF don't have units in Garissa trained for that kind of contingency. I saw pictures of tanks going into the university. Maybe they just needed the armor. The way GSU finished them off, probably not.
It might have been a Karangi Boinet stand-off like Westgate again.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Shame-of-slow-response-in-15-hour-campus-terror/-/1056/2676432/-/13wgdjy/-/index.html
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I saw pictures of tanks going into the university.
I saw that too. Those are the same guys who decided that armoured personnel carriers would be the best thing for a mall-fight. But never let it be said that they brought a knife to a gun fight! And, boy oh boy, don't the riff-raff love to see their glorious military out in full.
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Lack of transparency is key to consistent failures. There is no debriefing, so the same mistakes are repeated over and over. Why could it take so long to fly special forces to such an even? They should be in the air 3min after they get info. Also every county should have these forces starting with the NEP and Coast and then slowly spreading to other areas.
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Lack of transparency is key to consistent failures. There is no debriefing, so the same mistakes are repeated over and over. Why could it take so long to fly special forces to such an even? They should be in the air 3min after they get info. Also every county should have these forces starting with the NEP and Coast and then slowly spreading to other areas.
One group had to travel by road to Garissa. Nkaiserry and Boinett flew into Garissa before this group. I don't feel like it was more urgent for Nkaiserry to be on the ground.
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Or even simpler solution,
Expose some section of KDF to counterterrorism training alongside RECCE
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Or even simpler solution,
Expose some section of KDF to counterterrorism training alongside RECCE
Or better still police in each county.
I just read that these recce group fellows didn't get their measly allowances.
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Our security forces are used abused and spit out. No training, no better weapons, etc etc. But, MPIGS can get bigger cars n better terms and are constantly demaning more.
In regards to the attacks, I agree they are hard to prevent. But, a 12hr response is very unacceptable. Politicians should stay out of security decisions. Let the professionals deal with it. At the same time police need to be on the forefront in asking for better resources - body armor, transport, weapons, etc. while the terrorists were armored, Most of police went to the site with basic armor, if at all .
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That may be too expensive and may be fraught with resistance. Remember the doctors opposing devilution because they don't trust county governments. In any case, barring bad weather, RECCE can be deployed ANYWHERE in Kenia within 120 minutes.
Am thinking the next target may be a car bomb going off in traffic.
Or better still police in each county.
I just read that these recce group fellows didn't get their measly allowances.
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That may be too expensive and may be fraught with resistance. Remember the doctors opposing devilution because they don't trust county governments. In any case, barring bad weather, RECCE can be deployed ANYWHERE in Kenia within 120 minutes.
Am thinking the next target may be a car bomb going off in traffic.
Or better still police in each county.
I just read that these recce group fellows didn't get their measly allowances.
I just feel like no expenses should be spared. The police would remain under the same command. Just that each county would have a specially trained swat team. They can be trained by the guys who have already received their training in Israel or the US.
It's hard to say where they'll strike next. Which is their goal.
I think I now know why Ethiopia, with a bigger Somali population, has been spared this mess. Somalis are not as integrated in Ethiopian society as they are in Kenya.
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I am surprised no one is yet to put kamwana on the spot for this blunder one week later.....
Kenyans were outraged after finding out that Britain had fingered Garissa County as possible target by terrorists in its latest travel advisory, which was trashed by President Uhuru Kenyatta.
The UK government had advised against “all but essential travel to” areas within 60km of the Kenya-Somalia border, Garissa County, Eastleigh, Lamu County and areas around Tana River County.
It also warned its citizens against traveling to within 15km of the coast from the Tana River down to and including Tiwi, which includes Momabasa Island, Moi International Airport (including transit through the airport), Malinidi, Kilifi and Watamu.
MUSEVENI ACTED
UK had issued a similar advisory for Uganda, but unlike his neighbour, President Museveni took it seriously and deployed security personnel to patrol the streets including at night.
In contrast, President Kenyatta seemed angered by the advisory, dismissing it as sabotage.
On Wednesday, he haughtily dismissed British tourists as “taxi drivers”.
“I have not heard them (UK) issue any travel advisory against other European countries which are facing terrorism,” he said, adding that they will not intimidate Kenya.
“If they do not want their taxi drivers to come, (President Barack) Obama is coming.” :?: :roll:
He was responding to questions from a TV presenter during the Diaspora Investment Conference in Nairobi.
“Ni nyinyi mwende muulize hao watu wa UK. Muulize hao makaburu (it’s you to ask the British) how Kenya is unsafe.
“Wamejaa hapa. Maaskari wao wako hapa, wanatrain hapa (so many of their citizens, including soldiers under training, are in Kenya). Every afternoon wanacheza golf hukoWindsor halafu wanaenda wanasimama huko wanasema (they play golf here then go back home to say) Kenya is unsafe…” he said.
‘KUPIGA MAGOTI’
“We are tired kupiga magoti mbele yao (of kneeling before them),” he said in response to a question from a journalist.”
Kenyans online were outraged.
Barry said: “When will we learn.”
Charles Inwani wrote: “Knee jerk responses simply dig us deeper into a hell hole we are in!”
Eric Munene weighed in: “A week later we’re less 147 beings.”
http://www.jambonewspot.com/britain-warned-of-imminent-attack-but-uhuru-trashed-it/
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Logan,
kamwana is a victim of delusional advisers. That is not so much to excuse but to explain where he is coming from. He is not responsible.
I just saw today that the Foreign Affairs secretary said the government handled the Garissa attack superbly.
To cut her some slack, no rich people are sending their kids to college in Garissa. They did what makes sense to them. PR was more important than buying a victim that one minute they need to save their lives.
Uganda doesn't have that many Somalis. You can round them up and lock them up in one building. Kenya is just exposed. Those guys will destroy the country while folks are caught up with ukabila.
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Did you see this Editorial?
Interesting Editorial by "Chipiless Mouthpiece" : All was well until they had to veer into the "shared blame game"... :( :(
In America, if you lose your house in a storm, chances are that the President of the United States will come round to comfort you and promise you federal help in rebuilding your home.
(https://www.kenya-today.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/1117.jpg.pagespeed.ce.MWYp0EKaT8.jpg)
In Kenya, your child, your only hope in whom you have invested the family fortune, is slaughtered; but a little time can’t be found in busy diaries for the leader you elected to come and look you in your teary eyes and assure you that he did his best, that the death of your son or daughter has not been in vain, that he feels your pain and is doing his best to bring to justice those who did it.
Even the leader of the Opposition is so busy saving the country that he couldn’t spare an afternoon to share your pain and to assure you of the support of your countrymen. ( And the usual Raila's mention of shared responsibility when the idiots are cornered is often fascinating.. :( )
Kenya, led by the Jubilee government, let down the students of Garissa University College in life and in death.
The country is vulnerable, not just because it has enemies, but because its systems of security are corrupt and incompetent. There were intelligence reports that a university was to be attacked, and that Garissa and Mandera were at risk. Why weren’t adequate measures taken to protect the university?
It is bad enough that it took 11 hours for specialist officers trained in dealing with terrorists to swing into action.
By then it was too late because everybody knows that Al-Shabaab does not take hostages; the terrorists strike to kill and die.
The speed with which they are confronted is, therefore, of essence. Any delay, leaving young people at the mercy of the killers for all those hours, takes bungling to a new level.
A Cabinet secretary going on international TV to argue that the response time was adequate is new low even by our standards.
On Monday, the Daily Nation wrote the story of Mr Peter Kithome who, in the search for his daughter, Monica Ngwasi Mutinda, was required to look into the mouths of all female bodies in an overwhelmed mortuary from where the stench enveloped nearly the entire neighbourhood. Why did grieving relatives have to be put through additional trauma?
Why couldn’t individuals first be identified through fingerprints and DNA instead of asking parents to search for their loved ones in a pile of bodies? Why crowd all the bodies into Chiromo Mortuary when there is great capacity in other facilities for decent preservation?
(http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/2679048/highRes/987478/-/maxw/600/-/11l3t8dz/-/DNAttack0704is.jpg)
A volunteer consoles the relative of a Garissa University College student killed by Al-Shabaab during an attack on the institution. PHOTO | BILLY MUTAHI | NATION MEDIA GROUP
THE CHILDREN OF KENYA
These are the children of Kenya, the hope of its future. They are the martyrs of a nation under attack.
The way we treat their remains must symbolise our resolve to protect ourselves and prevail over enemies. For their deaths to mean something, the entire ceremony of State must be extended in their honour to elevate their sacrifice and energise a brutalised nation.
It is wrong for leaders to exploit tragedy for political ends. Terrorism is not a campaign issue. It is an existential threat to the nation.
It saddens Kenyans to see that their leaders are not circling the wagons and fighting this evil as one. Others, who have in the past supported the hate-mongers refuse to see the error of their ways.
But in this tragedy there are opportunities: to check and weed out the hate-preaching extremists who are radicalising the youth, to design one standard and generally accepted curriculum for madrassa so that religious instruction is not used as cover for radicalisation.
There is also a chance to smoke out the vile supporters, sympathisers, and financiers of terrorists in our midst.
These children are lost to us, brutally slaughtered by fanatics. But even in death they still have the power to unite us, to get us to see beyond our differences and to fight together for our preservation as one people.
Where is the leadership?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Editorial/Garissa-University-College-Students-Death/-/440804/2678700/-/q9k53sz/-/index.html
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Did you see this Editorial?
Interesting Editorial by "Chipiless Mouthpiece" : All was well until they had to veer into the "shared blame game"... :( :(
In America, if you lose your house in a storm, chances are that the President of the United States will come round to comfort you and promise you federal help in rebuilding your home.
(https://www.kenya-today.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/1117.jpg.pagespeed.ce.MWYp0EKaT8.jpg)
In Kenya, your child, your only hope in whom you have invested the family fortune, is slaughtered; but a little time can’t be found in busy diaries for the leader you elected to come and look you in your teary eyes and assure you that he did his best, that the death of your son or daughter has not been in vain, that he feels your pain and is doing his best to bring to justice those who did it.
Even the leader of the Opposition is so busy saving the country that he couldn’t spare an afternoon to share your pain and to assure you of the support of your countrymen. ( And the usual Raila's mention of shared responsibility when the idiots are cornered is often fascinating.. :( )
Kenya, led by the Jubilee government, let down the students of Garissa University College in life and in death.
The country is vulnerable, not just because it has enemies, but because its systems of security are corrupt and incompetent. There were intelligence reports that a university was to be attacked, and that Garissa and Mandera were at risk. Why weren’t adequate measures taken to protect the university?
It is bad enough that it took 11 hours for specialist officers trained in dealing with terrorists to swing into action.
By then it was too late because everybody knows that Al-Shabaab does not take hostages; the terrorists strike to kill and die.
The speed with which they are confronted is, therefore, of essence. Any delay, leaving young people at the mercy of the killers for all those hours, takes bungling to a new level.
A Cabinet secretary going on international TV to argue that the response time was adequate is new low even by our standards.
On Monday, the Daily Nation wrote the story of Mr Peter Kithome who, in the search for his daughter, Monica Ngwasi Mutinda, was required to look into the mouths of all female bodies in an overwhelmed mortuary from where the stench enveloped nearly the entire neighbourhood. Why did grieving relatives have to be put through additional trauma?
Why couldn’t individuals first be identified through fingerprints and DNA instead of asking parents to search for their loved ones in a pile of bodies? Why crowd all the bodies into Chiromo Mortuary when there is great capacity in other facilities for decent preservation?
(http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/2679048/highRes/987478/-/maxw/600/-/11l3t8dz/-/DNAttack0704is.jpg)
A volunteer consoles the relative of a Garissa University College student killed by Al-Shabaab during an attack on the institution. PHOTO | BILLY MUTAHI | NATION MEDIA GROUP
THE CHILDREN OF KENYA
These are the children of Kenya, the hope of its future. They are the martyrs of a nation under attack.
The way we treat their remains must symbolise our resolve to protect ourselves and prevail over enemies. For their deaths to mean something, the entire ceremony of State must be extended in their honour to elevate their sacrifice and energise a brutalised nation.
It is wrong for leaders to exploit tragedy for political ends. Terrorism is not a campaign issue. It is an existential threat to the nation.
It saddens Kenyans to see that their leaders are not circling the wagons and fighting this evil as one. Others, who have in the past supported the hate-mongers refuse to see the error of their ways.
But in this tragedy there are opportunities: to check and weed out the hate-preaching extremists who are radicalising the youth, to design one standard and generally accepted curriculum for madrassa so that religious instruction is not used as cover for radicalisation.
There is also a chance to smoke out the vile supporters, sympathisers, and financiers of terrorists in our midst.
These children are lost to us, brutally slaughtered by fanatics. But even in death they still have the power to unite us, to get us to see beyond our differences and to fight together for our preservation as one people.
Where is the leadership?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Editorial/Garissa-University-College-Students-Death/-/440804/2678700/-/q9k53sz/-/index.html
No. I hadn't seen it. These days I rely more on social media to get news. Still even there one still gets the tribal undercurrents that seem to be in DNA of a section of Kenyans.
They are saying that Raila supported Al Shabab and should see the error of his ways. He should support kamwana's poor leadership unconditionally.
Obama is coming. Who cares about some poor girl who was tormented then killed because recce shows up a minute too late? That sums up kamwana's state of mind IMO.
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A truly heart-breaking story:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Father-heard-his-daughter-being-shot-by-terrorists/-/1056/2681074/-/qb6q20/-/index.html
And Uhuru's spokesman then says, on the same day, that they had problems getting air transport for 25 people. The whole government of Kenya, and its security forces, cannot quickly move 25 people from Nairobi to another place in Kenya!
But for some this is just the moment to celebrate "two years of success". Amazing place, amazing people.
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A truly heart-breaking story:
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Father-heard-his-daughter-being-shot-by-terrorists/-/1056/2681074/-/qb6q20/-/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Father-heard-his-daughter-being-shot-by-terrorists/-/1056/2681074/-/qb6q20/-/index.html)
And Uhuru's spokesman then says, on the same day, that they had problems getting air transport for 25 people. The whole government of Kenya, and its security forces, cannot quickly move 25 people from Nairobi to another place in Kenya!
But for some this is just the moment to celebrate "two years of success". Amazing place, amazing people.
7 hours lead time, staying hidden was the most she could do. She had done her bit. I am not sure what more she could have done.
The government clearly failed send someone to hold the attention of the terrorists in time. That is something I learnt just watching the Westgate documentary. You would think the Kenyan security would have learnt at least as much.
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I was watching NatGeo about some monkeys/chimps that mimic humans, one was addicted to smoking. The one that really shocked me was another that learnt fishing by spearing
(http://engineering.curiouscatblog.net/images/orangutan_spear_fishing.jpg)
The government clearly failed send someone to hold the attention of the terrorists in time. That is something I learnt just watching the Westgate documentary. You would think the Kenyan security would have learnt at least as much.
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I was watching NatGeo about some monkeys/chimps that mimic humans, one was addicted to smoking. The one that really shocked me was another that learnt fishing by spearing
(http://engineering.curiouscatblog.net/images/orangutan_spear_fishing.jpg)
The government clearly failed send someone to hold the attention of the terrorists in time. That is something I learnt just watching the Westgate documentary. You would think the Kenyan security would have learnt at least as much.
That looks like orangutan. I think they are equipped to learn stuff. The apes and dolphins actually demonstrate cultural behavior.
Abdul Haji and a handful of others with pistols were the difference between life and death for scores of survivors that day at Westgate. Government security response was not until 3 hours later.
Ironically I had initially thought that Abdul Haji was one of the terrorists when I saw CNN footage. I think the American CNN reporters also thought so.