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Forum => Controversial => Topic started by: vooke on December 11, 2014, 09:00:58 AM
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Below is a narration of what happened in one of the miracles in the video...for those who might not have the time or data to watch it.
A consecrated Host becomes flesh and blood
At seven o’clock in the evening on August 18, 1996, Fr. Alejandro Pezet was saying Holy Mass at a Catholic church in the commercial center of Buenos Aires. As he was finishing distributing Holy Communion, a woman came up to tell him that she had found a discarded host on a candleholder at the back of the church. On going to the spot indicated, Fr. Alejandro saw the defiled Host. Since he was unable to consume it, he placed it in a container of water and put it away in the tabernacle of the chapel of the Blessed Sacrament.
On Monday, August 26, upon opening the tabernacle, he saw to his amazement that the Host had turned into a bloody substance. He informed Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, who gave instructions that the Host be professionally photographed. The photos were taken on September 6. They clearly show that the Host, which had become a fragment of bloodied flesh, had grown significantly in size. For several years the Host remained in the tabernacle, the whole affair being kept a strict secret. Since the Host suffered no visible decomposition, Cardinal Bergoglio decided to have it scientifically analyzed.
On October 5, 1999, in the presence of the Cardinal’s representatives, Dr. Castanon took a sample of the bloody fragment and sent it to New York for analysis. Since he did not wish to prejudice the study, he purposely did not inform the team of scientists of its provenance. One of these scientists was Dr. Frederic Zugiba, the well-known cardiologist and forensic pathologist. He determined that the analyzed substance was real flesh and blood containing human DNA. Zugiba testified that, “the analyzed material is a fragment of the heart muscle found in the wall of the left ventricle close to the valves. This muscle is responsible for the contraction of the heart. It should be borne in mind that the left cardiac ventricle pumps blood to all parts of the body. The heart muscle is in an inflammatory condition and contains a large number of white blood cells. This indicates that the heart was alive at the time the sample was taken. It is my contention that the heart was alive, since white blood cells die outside a living organism. They require a living organism to sustain them. Thus, their presence indicates that the heart was alive when the sample was taken. What is more, these white blood cells had penetrated the tissue, which further indicates that the heart had been under severe stress, as if the owner had been beaten severely about the chest.”
Two Australians, journalist Mike Willesee and lawyer Ron Tesoriero, witnessed these tests. Knowing where sample had come from, they were dumbfounded by Dr. Zugiba’s testimony. Mike Willesee asked the scientist how long the white blood cells would have remained alive if they had come from a piece of human tissue, which had been kept in water. They would have ceased to exist in a matter of minutes, Dr. Zugiba replied. The journalist then told the doctor that the source of the sample had first been kept in ordinary water for a month and then for another three years in a container of distilled water; only then had the sample been taken for analysis. Dr. Zugiba’s was at a loss to account for this fact. There was no way of explaining it scientifically, he stated. Only then did Mike Willesee inform Dr. Zugiba that the analyzed sample came from a consecrated Host (white, unleavened bread) that had mysteriously turned into bloody human flesh. Amazed by this information, Dr. Zugiba replied, “How and why a consecrated Host would change its character and become living human flesh and blood will remain an inexplicable mystery to science—a mystery totally beyond her competence.”
http://www.loamagazine.org/nr/the_main_topic/eucharistic_miracle_in_buenos.html
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First red flag
Doctor Frederic Zugibe's publication list has none of this miraculous finding
http://66.59.70.135/publish.htm
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It would appear that miracles have a hard time being accepted in modern times.
What do you make of the miracle of the sun in Fatima, October 13, 1917? I stand to be corrected but I think one of these children predicted world war II.
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Termie,
One verse
Acts 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.
Am a Christian, I have witnessed miracles but I can tell you that I totally agree with James Randi, 99% of the so called miracles are BS claims that can't stand scrutiny. Notable/Observable miracles are extremely rare. Too rare than we want them and this breeds fakes
There was NOTHING in the Miracle of the Sun. You have thousands preconditioned to see something in the sun, they stare directly into the sun and claimed to have seen it dancing. If the sun is going to dance significantly to be observed by the naked eye it would have to cover hundreds of thousands of kilometers very fast. That's something that can't be missed by 1913 astronomy gear. That not a single observatory picked nothing on this day tells it all. It was a localized event at most.
Sometimes when I was much younger a woman , a devout Catholic claimed to have seen Mary in her hurricane lamp at night. The next day the entire village flocked to her house. During the day they would shut all the doors to and watch at the burning lamp. Some women started claiming that they had seen her too. Those who saw nothing were written off as lacking faith. Over the next few days crowds came from neighboring villages......you get the drift
One of the kids survived to 97 years of age. In the 1940s she was aksd to write down the three secrets she had seen. She wrote just two. The first was a vision of hell ( is this a secret?) The next was a vision of World War 1 ending and WW2 starting if men didn't repent or something. The second is quite impressive except she wrote it AFTER WW2 had started. That's prophet Owuor's mentor right there :lolz:
The third one is BS as well and i think the one pope suggested she may have imagined it
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html
It would appear that miracles have a hard time being accepted in modern times.
What do you make of the miracle of the sun in Fatima, October 13, 1917? I stand to be corrected but I think one of these children predicted world war II.
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Termie,
One verse
Acts 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.
Am a Christian, I have witnessed miracles but I can tell you that I totally agree with James Randi, 99% of the so called miracles are BS claims that can't stand scrutiny. Notable/Observable miracles are extremely rare. Too rare than we want them and this breeds fakes
There was NOTHING in the Miracle of the Sun. You have thousands preconditioned to see something in the sun, they stare directly into the sun and claimed to have seen it dancing. If the sun is going to dance significantly to be observed by the naked eye it would have to cover hundreds of thousands of kilometers very fast. That's something that can't be missed by 1913 astronomy gear. That not a single observatory picked nothing on this day tells it all. It was a localized event at most.
Sometimes when I was much younger a woman , a devout Catholic claimed to have seen Mary in her hurricane lamp at night. The next day the entire village flocked to her house. During the day they would shut all the doors to and watch at the burning lamp. Some women started claiming that they had seen her too. Those who saw nothing were written off as lacking faith. Over the next few days crowds came from neighboring villages......you get the drift
One of the kids survived to 97 years of age. In the 1940s she was aksd to write down the three secrets she had seen. She wrote just two. The first was a vision of hell ( is this a secret?) The next was a vision of World War 1 ending and WW2 starting if men didn't repent or something. The second is quite impressive except she wrote it AFTER WW2 had started. That's prophet Owuor's mentor right there
The third one is BS as well and i think the one pope suggested she may have imagined it
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html)
It would appear that miracles have a hard time being accepted in modern times.
What do you make of the miracle of the sun in Fatima, October 13, 1917? I stand to be corrected but I think one of these children predicted world war II.
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It appears you don't believe Sister Lucia's story. They seem genuine to me. The miracle of the sun could have easily happened and been missed by astronomy gear from any era including the future. If you factor in an omnipotent that can suspend the laws of nature.
What miracle have you witnessed? Do you have documentary evidence for it? Is there any Negro prophet that you respect?
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I desperately want to believe in it but it looks like BS,smells like BS so it must be BS.
Just think of how much distance the sun needs to cover and how fast to be noticeable to a naked human eye. That's a galactic experience and you are saying ONLY a few thousand guys in a specific place saw that? They had observatories back then! Am not doubting that God the Creator of All can make the sun bounce from one edge of our galaxy to the other, just that such a phenomena would not be missed. And there was as many contradicting accounts as the deluded.
The only miracle I can confidently share is that of an otherwise normal but childless couple. They was married five years and had been trying to get a baby for over 4 years. The wife approached me and asked me for verses to encourage such a couple. I shared some verses and promised to pray for her friend. After a few days I shared prayer points from Psalms. The lady conceived around the same time and when she was delivered she told me that it was her and she was embarrassed of telling me directly. She was so overjoyed. They burnt some serious cash on fertility clinics and specialists to no avail. I wanted to know if they had used anything special over conception, drugs and such. They just had normal sex and the pregnancy caught her by surprise.
Negro prophets.....I used to believe T B Joshua was a prophet. In fact I shared his MH370 prophecy on .com and you viciously attacked it. I later discovered he is nothing more than a charlatan. I can't think of any public figure. This is not to mean that all that claim to be prophets are false, just that I haven't tested all. Jarluo Owuor I have tested and found to be an unintelligent charlatan. But I have a buddy in Norway. The negro prophesied over my life and not just generalities with shocking precision.
It appears you don't believe Sister Lucia's story. They seem genuine to me. The miracle of the sun could have easily happened and been missed by astronomy gear from any era including the future. If you factor in an omnipotent that can suspend the laws of nature.
What miracle have you witnessed? Do you have documentary evidence for it? Is there any Negro prophet that you respect?
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Serratia it is
http://www.antimicrobe.org/h04c.files/history/serratia.asp