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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on October 24, 2022, 07:53:56 AM
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Ruto has to fire NIS director and get bottom of this.
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The police says it mistaken identity. This is huge mess.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-10-24-pakistani-journalist-shot-dead-by-police-at-roadblock-in-kajiado/
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Police training in Kenya needs an overhaul. Very poorly trained police officers and maybe it is on purpose.
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It's crazy. Even if the kidnapped child was in the car, it doesn't make sense to spray the car with bullets. You could end up killing the kidnapped child too.
Our police force needs an overhaul.
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Only radical shake up will fix kenya police.
I still insist every police man be sent to their village to guard their own villagemates.
They will become more humane - not detached.
There should be police localization policy. Only OCS - upward should be taken to other counties.
Ruto legacy will amount much more if he can confront kenya police - it's most vile, the most corrupt, the most evil police force in the world.
Vetting didnt help.
The solution is send each policeman to their county - let them sleep at their home with their wives and kids - report to nearest police station - and only the OCS/OCPD should continue serving in their current location.
This will instantly make police happy and responsible members of society - not drug addicts killing people away from their homes - like an occupying force.
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What is the chance of one bullet hitting the head especially if the police were following up a "carjacking" that had a child on board? Couldn't they have shot at the tires?
According to police, at the roadblock, there was a call for police to intercept a car similar to the one they were driving following a carjacking incident in Pangani area, Nairobi where a child was taken hostage.
And a few minutes later, Sharif’s car emerged at the roadblock and they were stopped and asked to identify themselves.
They allegedly failed to stop and drove past the roadblock. - The Star
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New Police head has to think seriously about major overhaul
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It was to be done under the new constituition. Who diluted the police reforms?
I have not forgotten the vetting of top police officers by the National Police Service Commission under Johnston Kavuludi. It was a mockery of the Kenyan public with police officers making the whole thing look like a circus.
Forget police reforms under this regime. It will benefit more from a corrupt and inept police force.
Only radical shake up will fix kenya police.
I still insist every police man be sent to their village to guard their own villagemates.
They will become more humane - not detached.
There should be police localization policy. Only OCS - upward should be taken to other counties.
Ruto legacy will amount much more if he can confront kenya police - it's most vile, the most corrupt, the most evil police force in the world.
Vetting didnt help.
The solution is send each policeman to their county - let them sleep at their home with their wives and kids - report to nearest police station - and only the OCS/OCPD should continue serving in their current location.
This will instantly make police happy and responsible members of society - not drug addicts killing people away from their homes - like an occupying force.
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Let see. I trust in Ruto; you trust in the loser Raila. Ruto I think is open to ideas like localizing police force - that will make them more humane. I dont think anybody benefit from our vile police force - it soon turn on you.
It was to be done under the new constituition. Who diluted the police reforms?
I have not forgotten the vetting of top police officers by the National Police Service Commission under Johnston Kavuludi. It was a mockery of the Kenyan public with police officers making the whole thing look like a circus.
Forget police reforms under this regime. It will benefit more from a corrupt and inept police force.
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Police need to be held accountable in every case of violence.
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KAJIADO WEST SUBCOUNTY
MAGADI POLICE STATION
SUBJECT. SHOOTING INCIDENT REPORT/DEATH OF A FOREIGNER. It was reported to Magadi police station vide OB 14/23/10/2022 at 22.00hrs that along Kuenia farm/kamukuru marram a shooting incident involving GSU officers had occurred and one Pakistan national namely ARSHAD MOHAMMED SHARIFF aged 50 years had been fatally shot while he was been driven in a motor vehicle registration number KDG 200M along that road when the deceased and his brother KHURRAM AHMED were driving back to Nairobi. It started when officers from Dci starehe circulated a report of theft of a motor vehicle/abduction vide OB 70/23/10/2022 that one Douglas Wainaina parked his motor vehicle registration number KDJ 700F outside a electrical shop and left his son namely Dancan Kamau inside the said motor vehicle. On return, he found the said motor vehicle missing. He reported the said incident at pangani police station where the officers located the son at Olosuritia ACK Church within Kiserian. He was also located at Kiserian dam estate and later at Olepolos Hills. The Dci officers from starehe subcounty alerted the oc GSU magadi training school who acted appropriately. The scene was visited by SCPC Kajiado West, oc Dci Kiserian and the ocs magadi together with the scenes of crime personnel from Kajiado North subcounty. From the scene that was near Tinga Market, it was established that Kurram Ahmed and his brother now deceased were driving along Kuenia-kamukuru rough road and before they reached the Kiserian-magadi road, they found the road blocked using small stones and they decided to pass them. It was then they heard gun shots towards their vehicle directed from the front and rear. They did not stop and proceeded with the journey. Khurram called Naqar Ahmed also a Pakistan national who reside at Tinga and informed him about the Incident. He advised them to pass his place and on arrival at the main gate found his brother had died with a gun shot wound on the head which had penetrated from the back of his head and exited at the front side of his head. Upon scrutiny of the said motor vehicle, it had a bullet hole on the left side of the windscreen on the side the deceased was sitting, two bullet holes on the rear left back screen, one bullet hole on the rear right door, four holes right side of the boot and one front right tyre that had been deplated. The said Pakistan nationals claim that they are developers and reside in Nairobi. Scene was documented and the body taken to Chiromo mortuary awaiting postmortem. Case PUI.
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The police says it mistaken identity. This is huge mess.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-10-24-pakistani-journalist-shot-dead-by-police-at-roadblock-in-kajiado/
Didn't I tell you about 5hrs ago?
I've seen someone post on Twitter that the guy criticized current Pakistani PM vehemently so it may not mistaken identity.
Kenya is a nation of thugs.
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Why did the driver (knowing how trigger happy the kenya police are) why did he refuse to stop at the road block?
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Why did the driver (knowing how trigger happy the kenya police are) why did he refuse to stop at the road block?
Who relayed communication on the police network?
KDG 200M
KDJ 700F
Does evading a road block warrant shoot to kill?
Did the Pakistanis shoot on the police first?
What a country.
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The documentary ‘Behind Closed Doors’ depicts how politicians used the international financial system and offshore jurisdictions to launder their ill-gotten wealth, and has been directed by Michael Oswald, produced and written by Murtaza Mehdi.
It also mentioned that the film has contributions from PTI (Former Pakistan PM) Imran Khan, journalist Arshad Sharif, John-Allan Namu, Tom Stocks, Rachel Davies Teka, Fawad Chaudry, Emin Huseynov, Shazad Akbar, Irfan Hashmi.
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This sound fishy - all the GSUs who shot them should be in custody as we speak.
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Why did the driver (knowing how trigger happy the kenya police are) why did he refuse to stop at the road block?
Who relayed communication on the police network?
KDG 200M
KDJ 700F
Does evading a road block warrant shoot to kill?
Did the Pakistanis shoot on the police first?
What a country.
EXACTLY!!!
dEADLY WEAPON MUST ONLY AND ONLY BE USED AS A LAST RESORT.
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This sound fishy - all the GSUs who shot them should be in custody as we speak.
This is not more than jailing these people.
What is the policy on use of deadly force?
All armed men and women in uniform need to be professionals not hustlers.
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We have a primitive and untrained police. How many Kenyan civilians die every year through this trigger happy police? They had no reason to shoot. They were not attacked or under threat.
Who relayed communication on the police network?
KDG 200M
KDJ 700F
Does evading a road block warrant shoot to kill?
Did the Pakistanis shoot on the police first?
What a country.
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Precisely. Until police are made to write long statement for every bullet shot; they will never account for this; police officer should almost never use a gun; except as last resort.
We need serious reforms in police force.
We have a primitive and untrained police. How many Kenyan civilians die every year through this trigger happy police? They had no reason to shoot. They were not attacked or under threat.
Who relayed communication on the police network?
KDG 200M
KDJ 700F
Does evading a road block warrant shoot to kill?
Did the Pakistanis shoot on the police first?
What a country.
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We have a primitive and untrained police. How many Kenyan civilians die every year through this trigger happy police? They had no reason to shoot. They were not attacked or under threat.
Who relayed communication on the police network?
KDG 200M
KDJ 700F
Does evading a road block warrant shoot to kill?
Did the Pakistanis shoot on the police first?
What a country.
Police are very bright/sharp people...I have friends in the police force and they can detect even the slightest of things know when a person is lying..very experienced people but they are SAVAGE DANGEROURS CREATURE who on face value pretend to be STUPID.
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Very shameful that these are things making global headlines.
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Not stopping increases your chances of being shot exponentially. The kenyan driver should have known that. Now, I'm not sure if something else was going on here and if this was a paid hit/assassination (we will found out soon) but always stop first.
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Very shameful that these are things making global headlines.
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It cost between 150,000 and 200,000 to be recruited into the police force. All the thugs that Laikipia and Samburu , who had rich parents are today part of the force.
Reforms should start from recruitment.
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Because of endemic levels of corruption in Kenya's security organs at times they do CONTRACT KILLINGS for security agents of a 3rd country...don't rule out this in yesterday's assassination of Pakistani journalist Mr. Arshad Sharif by Kenyan elite paramilitary GSU
@ImranKhanPTI
This is from Ahmed Nasir. This case is becoming even more bizarre. Why would they agree to a contract killing with a new regime just getting into place? and I doubt the soldiers that actually did the killing will get any money. So, who did the Pakistani's approach? How long ago? and who was paid?
The problem now is that you are dealing with two mafia states - Pakistan and Kenya.
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He was even hounded out of UAE,Was supporting Imran Khan So he was in exile in Kenya and was very critical of current Pakistani prime minister and was planning to return to Pakistan in coming weeks.He had a ranch in Kajiado.
Source Aljazeera.
Seems it was professional hit job.
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Kenya police and intelligence are rogue. Ruto has the opportunity to be remembered for overhaul the policing services. It has to begin by taking these thugs back to their respective villages - where they can become human again.
Then using technology - have more cameras all over - let the police wear body cameras - whatever technology we can leverage.
The thugs have to be stopped.
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We have a primitive and untrained police. How many Kenyan civilians die every year through this trigger happy police? They had no reason to shoot. They were not attacked or under threat.
Who relayed communication on the police network?
KDG 200M
KDJ 700F
Does evading a road block warrant shoot to kill?
Did the Pakistanis shoot on the police first?
What a country.
Police are very bright/sharp people...I have friends in the police force and they can detect even the slightest of things know when a person is lying..very experienced people but they are SAVAGE DANGEROURS CREATURE who on face value pretend to be STUPID.
The ones you know are sharp, but most are either drop outs or cant communicate or pass a pshychological test.
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Classic hit case. Money was pursuing money laundering cartels....I say check with bank owners in kenya first.
Tourist should keep off kenya for now. The country is not safe
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We have a primitive and untrained police. How many Kenyan civilians die every year through this trigger happy police? They had no reason to shoot. They were not attacked or under threat.
Who relayed communication on the police network?
KDG 200M
KDJ 700F
Does evading a road block warrant shoot to kill?
Did the Pakistanis shoot on the police first?
What a country.
Police are very bright/sharp people...I have friends in the police force and they can detect even the slightest of things know when a person is lying..very experienced people but they are SAVAGE DANGEROURS CREATURE who on face value pretend to be STUPID.
The ones you know are sharp, but most are either drop outs or cant communicate or pass a pshychological test.
1) Being a school drop out or being unable to communicate in basic English doesn't mean someone is stupid.Education is not the only definition of being sharp.
2) police deal with murderers robbers prostitutes conmen politicians conmen pastors terrorists dead bodies gun mercenaries peddlers etc etc...so any experienced is able to detect anything instantly.
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Europe is not safe, Kenya is not safe, America is not safe. Only India is safe for Patel.
Classic hit case. Money was pursuing money laundering cartels....I say check with bank owners in kenya first.
Tourist should keep off kenya for now. The country is not safe
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Most policemen are okay. They just have bad deal - they are ever on transfer, harsh bosses, work in foreign & hostile places, don't stay with their families, poor pay and almost zero growth.
The solution is simple - improve their welfare - by sending them back to work from their homes.
Only the paramilitary wing and big boss should work outside their counties. Let somali police guard somali - Turkana the same. It their home - they wont see it as punishment if posted to Lodwar or Wajir - while majority of police - their happiness level reduce to -negative when posted there.
90% should stay in their villages with their wifes and kids - at least stay in their county - and they will become better people - and avoid inter-county transfer unless someone has been promoted to senior ranks.
The same way teachers are village pillars - chiefs & ass chiefs are well respected - police can stop being drunkards - and become proper security.
No where except Africa do you have this kind of policing - this colonial relic. People should police their villages.
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When did I say America is not safe? America is like mini Heaven. Europe is broke. Kenya is totally not safe for now. Too many killings. Spouse killings, police killings....Kenya is the new murder capital of the world.
Europe is not safe, Kenya is not safe, America is not safe. Only India is safe for Patel.
Classic hit case. Money was pursuing money laundering cartels....I say check with bank owners in kenya first.
Tourist should keep off kenya for now. The country is not safe
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So now you want to blame @KaInsect for your own poor choice of words? Punda.
All he did was interpret your statement. Kenya is a liberal & democratic Nation just like South Africa, America etc which inadvertently leads to security challenges.
That said, indeed nobody in their right minds should ever run to Kenya or South Africa seeking sanctuary! Kenya is the country where Ochalan the Kurdish leader was abducted from. Kanu the Ibo was abducted by Nigerian government abducted before flying him out to Nigeria. Kenya is the country where the rendition of suspected Al Qaeda terrorists to Guantanamo bay has taken place. This is a country where Rwandese intelligence operatives, gunned down at forest road round about in broad daylight Seth Sendashonga Who had fallen out with so called 'benign dictator'. Here Mossad, CIA, MI6 and all others all operate freely and certain echelon of government knows and probably benefits financially from it. This is a country where corruption is condoned and the police used in people disappearances!
I would not be surprised to learn that Pakistan intelligence has had a long collaboration with Kenyan intelligence....
When did I say America is not safe? America is like mini Heaven. Europe is broke. Kenya is totally not safe for now. Too many killings. Spouse killings, police killings....Kenya is the new murder capital of the world.
Europe is not safe, Kenya is not safe, America is not safe. Only India is safe for Patel.
Classic hit case. Money was pursuing money laundering cartels....I say check with bank owners in kenya first.
Tourist should keep off kenya for now. The country is not safe
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Kadudu, Europe is broke. Bankrupt. Its going to be a long dark, cold and hungry winter.
Back to kenya. This murder was sanctioned from the top. Classic hit job. Murder so foul. Kenya is not safe. Tourist and investors should keep off for now.
So now you want to blame @KaInsect for your own poor choice of words? Punda.
All he did was interpret your statement. Kenya is a liberal & democratic Nation just like South Africa, America etc which inadvertently leads to security challenges.
That said, indeed nobody in their right minds should ever run to Kenya or South Africa seeking sanctuary! Kenya is the country where Ochalan the Kurdish leader was abducted from. Kanu the Ibo was abducted by Nigerian government abducted before flying him out to Nigeria. Kenya is the country where the rendition of suspected Al Qaeda terrorists to Guantanamo bay has taken place. This is a country where Rwandese intelligence operatives, gunned down at forest road round about in broad daylight Seth Sendashonga Who had fallen out with so called 'benign dictator'. Here Mossad, CIA, MI6 and all others all operate freely and certain echelon of government knows and probably benefits financially from it. This is a country where corruption is condoned and the police used in people disappearances!
I would not be surprised to learn that Pakistan intelligence has had a long collaboration with Kenyan intelligence....
When did I say America is not safe? America is like mini Heaven. Europe is broke. Kenya is totally not safe for now. Too many killings. Spouse killings, police killings....Kenya is the new murder capital of the world.
Europe is not safe, Kenya is not safe, America is not safe. Only India is safe for Patel.
Classic hit case. Money was pursuing money laundering cartels....I say check with bank owners in kenya first.
Tourist should keep off kenya for now. The country is not safe
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Kenya is totally not safe for now. Too many killings. Spouse killings, police killings....Kenya is the new murder capital of the world.
I was thinking the same thing. The country is just not safe right now because murder for hire is so cheap, but I wouldn't call it the murder capital of the world (I think Mexico, with it's cartel violence takes that prize)
Dont forget about that former air force commander Mbijiwe who disappeared and no one has heard from him (what did he do?) The problem with Kenya is that these murders
never get solved and no one is ever convicted or even arrested. So, I don't know what the Indian government will do in this case or even Ruto? what will he tell the Indians? Prosecuting a few lowly policemen won't cut it.
The pakistani's you can forget about because it was clearly a hit and they are not interested in solving it (not sure what that reporter was thinking running to Kenya)
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We are still far from South Africa or Nigeria type violence in most part of kenya.
2/3 of kenya is of course wilderness - Turkana - Pokot- Samburu to Lamu
Therefore, we have to INVEST more on policing and security.
We really must focus on where there is crime
1) Urban areas - technology - cameras - more cameras- all over our urban areas. Huwaei Cameras have greatly helped. We need to do even more cameras - in every street corner - intelligent AI facial recognition cameras all over. People need to know somebody is always watching them. All major urban areas - get Huwaei to deploy more cameras - I am sure technology is now cheap - these cctv cameras are doing wonders in fighting crime.
2) Northern semi-arid kenya - we should borrow a leaf from Museveni and deploy KDF to clean up fire-arms and all that.
The rest of the country is generally okay.
Chiefs & Ass chief with Nyumba kumi is sufficent for most rural kenya.
Rarely any violent robbery - just domestic violences.
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Waah! Current regime in Pakistan is murderous. Now they ave targeted the former PM even before the ink on Arshad dries. The investigation on the latter is cosmetic. Luto should allow FBI and Scotland Yard to investigate unless ....
Former Pakistani PM shot in assassination attempt (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/world/2022-11-03-former-pakistani-pm-shot-in-assassination-attempt/)
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Pakistan is one of the biggest importers of Kenyan tea. That tells it all.
Waah! Current regime in Pakistan is murderous. Now they ave targeted the former PM even before the ink on Arshad dries. The investigation on the latter is cosmetic. Luto should allow FBI and Scotland Yard to investigate unless ....
Former Pakistani PM shot in assassination attempt (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/world/2022-11-03-former-pakistani-pm-shot-in-assassination-attempt/)
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The police says it mistaken identity. This is huge mess.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-10-24-pakistani-journalist-shot-dead-by-police-at-roadblock-in-kajiado/
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