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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on August 21, 2022, 09:08:38 PM
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I totally agree with reasons below - Raila & Uhuru are like people drowing calling for help - you have to be carefully not drown the entire country whilst attempting to rescue them.
They cannot be helped - 1s) They dont want a re-run - they know they will be whitewashed as advantage now has swung to Ruto (by then Speakers of both hse & majority of Mps will be with him) - they want SCORK to execute a civilian coup, declare Raila PORK & damn the consequences 2) IEBC is so dysfunctional it cannot hold an election in 60 days 3) Uhuru is now acting president - without any mandate or legitimacy to rule anybody.
So btw Three People DROWNING (RAILA, UHURU AND GIDEON) and KENYA DROWNING - SCORK will let Raila & Dynasties SINK - he had all the advantages of an INCUMBENCY and he CHOKED. He was given HAIL MARY PASS in 2017 and he CHOKED.
COPIED...
Reasons supreme court will not nullify Ruto's election as president.
1. They are not ready to create constitutional crisis as IEBC will then be severly compromised to be able to do any reelection and Uhuru being caretaker president means he cannot appoint new IEBC commissioners.
2. The same people who will be asking court to nullify elections refused to partipacate in the elections in 2017 after the courts ordered a repeat election. The courts won't be ready to create for them such scenario again which almost proved destabilizing in 2017.
3. The courts in 2017 asked IEBC to open servers. In this elections they did by transmitting and posting all results from all the polling stations on a public portal enhancing transparency, credibility and avoiding interference of results.
4. The people petitioning courts to nullify elections because of claims of rigging had all manner of state support in the elections and use govt resources to do campaigns. The court will find it difficult to side with them and believe that the elections was rigged.
5. The courts will find it difficult to nullify two elections in a succession because it then makes kenyan elections to be always legally challenged and settled in courts instead of the ballot as it should be.
6. Most of the local and international independent observers agreed that the elections were free and fair and agreed with the tallies that were announced by the IEBC hence giving a thumbs up to the elections.
7. The results from polling stations contained in form 34A are final and are all posted in public portal. So far so good no one has provided any evidence to the contrary to show that the results in form 34As do not reflect the results as announced in the polling stations.
8. Its easier for courts to uphold the elections because it maintains political stability judging by the public mood and avoid throwing the country into an electioneering and constitutional crisis. Thus they will go for an easier option.
Those who dont like Ruto - will prefer to hold their nose - rather than risk civil war/constitutional crisis/economic collapse - that will render everyone desolate/refugee.
This is another BBI - CANT BE HELPED - even when one tries.
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All IEBC commissioners are now listening in Bomas :) - as dysfunctional as they are - they are sitting together trying to appear functional.
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GOD CASE - NO APPEAL
2022
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Gordon Opiyo
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You had the President on your side. You had the powerful Matiang'i on your side. You had the ICT Guru, who is globally recognized, Mucheru on your side, he even predicted that the IT system would give you 60% win . You had 100,000 Policemen on your side. You had the entire NIS system on your side. You had all the Planes and Choppers from KDF, on your side. You had all the Chiefs and Assistant Chiefs on your side. You had the DOs and DCs on your side.
You had the media on your side.. To praise you, and spread lies and propaganda against your opponent. You had all the corporate Bigwigs on your side. You had the 39 billionaires from Mt Kenya on your side. They poured money to your campaign like the never ending rains on Mt Elgon. You had the top Social Media influencers on your side, and they had all the cash they wanted. Whereas your opponent had social media influencers riding on Wheelbarrows and Boda Bodas, yours were hoping from plane to plane.
You had all the big names in Africa Union on your side....
Never has anyone had all support humanly possible than you...
In the other side, your opponent was thumped, bludgeoned and pummeled... His accounts were frozen. Anyone who came from his backyard and had a name like Kip or Chep was arrested and sacked from Government.
Any MP who dared go against you was arrested and harrased.
The running mate had lies thrown on him, and you froze his accounts. You bankrupted him.
It is like entering a boxing ring.... With your opponent having his hands and legs tied....
Then he defeats you......
How can you even say that you were rigged out? How dare you say that someone "stole from you?"
A broke opponent, who had to rely on goodwill from friends..
And had no option but to shed tears before God Almighty..
Because he knew he had no other hope or way...
A crushed man, who was humiliated several times by junior officers... And went back home crying and weeping......
How could he rig against all the power displayed against him..
How could he rig, yet his accounts and those of close relatives were frozen?
Can't you see that this was intervention from God??
Can you remember the writing in Mbukinya Bus that said "God's Case, No Appeal"?
This is one of them
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By Peter Wanyama - advocate of the High Court in the defense of IEBC.
10 simple reasons about the 2022 Presidential elections
1. On the IEBC portal form 34A shows the polling station it came from. The same Form 34A that is posted at the polling station. The system rejects forms that have different coding from the polling station code.
1A. The system only accepts a form from a registered polling stations and only from registered Kiems kit that contains a particular sim card. If someone attempts to use an unregistered sim card in the Kit, the system automatically rejects the form. It is not correct to say that someone somewhere uploaded forms into the portal.
2. IEBC has the originals of all the 34As except from one polling station in Wajir where the PO was attacked and form 34A destroyed. But earlier he had submitted the scanned copy to the portal.
3. The Supreme Court Act requires IEBC to submit certified copies of all form 34As to the Supreme Court within 48 hours after filing of the Petition.
4. The forms in the portal are used for verification and public consumption. Anyone can use them and tally the results. They are NOT submitted to the Supreme Court.
5. There were attempts to hack the Results Transmission System but they all failed because of massive firewalls. IEBC will provide system penetration reports to the Supreme Court . More than unsuccessful 100 attempts were made to hack the system.
6. The servers auto-populated the details of the identification of voters . The logs will be provided to the Supreme Court. Where there is a variance, the same can be explained using 'rejected ballots.' For example, in Kiambu the data in Kiems kit tallies with the votes for President and Governor etc. There is no outlying data. The social media narrative is pure hogwash.
7. IEBC has secured the system to ensure no one interferes with the data todate.
8. There are fake forms in the social media. IEBC has authentic forms will all security features
9. If you have doubts on who won the election check the results in 34C in the IEBC website. Go to your PS and check the results.
10. IEBC senior staff and Commissioners were massively intimidated to moderate the results. But you see, you can't change data in the system. Some staff were arrested by ATPU and held for hours but there was no charge they could prefer. It was all intimidation tactics.
11A. During verification of results at Bomas only one side had form 34As from the polling stations. The other side didn't have. POs were instructed to give parties form 34As for their own consumption.
11B. Independent tallies of As by the media and observers neatly tallies with the one by IEBC.
11C. If Azimio had won the elections, Chebukati would have done nothing else but declare Azimio own.
11D. The Supreme Court has final say regarding the validity of the results. IEBC staff, lawyers etc are ready to respond to the Petition with facts and figures.
11E. Elections are emotive in Kenya. But there a lot of lies and misinformation in the social media.
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They let the cat out of the bag.
"Speaking at the Milimani Law Courts on Monday after the Coalition lodged its petition to overturn Deputy President William Ruto’s victory, Orengo pointed out that in case the court orders a fresh election, they will not take part in polls presided over by Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) Wafula Chebukati." Capital FM
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Theuri explains Raila dilema - one minute election was messed up - one minute make me PORK based on the mess.
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IEBC had a manpower of 500,000 clerks, POs and ROs to deliver the Forms 34As in hours.
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Raila wants Cherera to run a re-run; Too much ask from Supreme Court
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/raila-only-cherera-should-manage-upcoming-elections-3924956
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Njenga nails it.
Ephraim Njega
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If Azimio insists on their selfish ends of taking the country through endless political uncertainty, even their supporters are going to turn against them.
The only few people who will be left arguing their case are the delusional and elitist social media middle class. These are the people supporting these shenanigans because their monied lives aren't impacted by this mess.
If a repeat election is held, Azimio leaders know there is no way they are going to win. They just don't have the numbers. So they want to start bringing issues about the IEBC in order to trigger a constitutional crisis.
If the IEBC is allowed to run a repeat election, they wouldn't take part. They will come up with even more absurd demand.
If they believe the election was a travesty and a sham, on what grounds are they asking the Supreme Court to declare them the winners? Winners based on what?
The end game is to prolong Jubilee's ruinous rule and destroy the country. It is either their way or the country goes to the dogs.
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Yes. Baba is mad that the people are going on with their lives as he whines around.
Njenga nails it.
Ephraim Njega
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If Azimio insists on their selfish ends of taking the country through endless political uncertainty, even their supporters are going to turn against them.
The only few people who will be left arguing their case are the delusional and elitist social media middle class. These are the people supporting these shenanigans because their monied lives aren't impacted by this mess.
If a repeat election is held, Azimio leaders know there is no way they are going to win. They just don't have the numbers. So they want to start bringing issues about the IEBC in order to trigger a constitutional crisis.
If the IEBC is allowed to run a repeat election, they wouldn't take part. They will come up with even more absurd demand.
If they believe the election was a travesty and a sham, on what grounds are they asking the Supreme Court to declare them the winners? Winners based on what?
The end game is to prolong Jubilee's ruinous rule and destroy the country. It is either their way or the country goes to the dogs.
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Kakamega and Mombasa has shown that Azimio are ready for a rerun. Let's go.
Njenga nails it.
Ephraim Njega
10m ·
If Azimio insists on their selfish ends of taking the country through endless political uncertainty, even their supporters are going to turn against them.
The only few people who will be left arguing their case are the delusional and elitist social media middle class. These are the people supporting these shenanigans because their monied lives aren't impacted by this mess.
If a repeat election is held, Azimio leaders know there is no way they are going to win. They just don't have the numbers. So they want to start bringing issues about the IEBC in order to trigger a constitutional crisis.
If the IEBC is allowed to run a repeat election, they wouldn't take part. They will come up with even more absurd demand.
If they believe the election was a travesty and a sham, on what grounds are they asking the Supreme Court to declare them the winners? Winners based on what?
The end game is to prolong Jubilee's ruinous rule and destroy the country. It is either their way or the country goes to the dogs.
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At least you've come from the depression; Azimio candidates below PORK have no problem; Raila the perenial loser is the problem; otherwise all the other elections nobody has complain - maybe Kidero only.
Kakamega and Mombasa has shown that Azimio are ready for a rerun. Let's go.
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Raila has won every election since 2002. Process that. Twende rerun.
At least you've come from the depression; Azimio candidates below PORK have no problem; Raila the perenial loser is the problem; otherwise all the other elections nobody has complain - maybe Kidero only.
Kakamega and Mombasa has shown that Azimio are ready for a rerun. Let's go.
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Theuri explains Raila dilema - one minute election was messed up - one minute make me PORK based on the mess.
But now it can.
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Njenga nails it.
Ephraim Njega
10m ·
If Azimio insists on their selfish ends of taking the country through endless political uncertainty, even their supporters are going to turn against them.
The only few people who will be left arguing their case are the delusional and elitist social media middle class. These are the people supporting these shenanigans because their monied lives aren't impacted by this mess.
If a repeat election is held, Azimio leaders know there is no way they are going to win. They just don't have the numbers. So they want to start bringing issues about the IEBC in order to trigger a constitutional crisis.
If the IEBC is allowed to run a repeat election, they wouldn't take part. They will come up with even more absurd demand.
If they believe the election was a travesty and a sham, on what grounds are they asking the Supreme Court to declare them the winners? Winners based on what?
The end game is to prolong Jubilee's ruinous rule and destroy the country. It is either their way or the country goes to the dogs.
This man has become your MOAS? Prophet Njenga?
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Compare 2017 and 2022 how Raila performed against Uhuru and how Jubilee contenstants perfomed against ODM.
There in is your answer .
Railas priority is a Nusu mkate . He doesnt want a rerun. He will be crashed .
Kakamega and Mombasa has shown that Azimio are ready for a rerun. Let's go.
Njenga nails it.
Ephraim Njega
10m ·
If Azimio insists on their selfish ends of taking the country through endless political uncertainty, even their supporters are going to turn against them.
The only few people who will be left arguing their case are the delusional and elitist social media middle class. These are the people supporting these shenanigans because their monied lives aren't impacted by this mess.
If a repeat election is held, Azimio leaders know there is no way they are going to win. They just don't have the numbers. So they want to start bringing issues about the IEBC in order to trigger a constitutional crisis.
If the IEBC is allowed to run a repeat election, they wouldn't take part. They will come up with even more absurd demand.
If they believe the election was a travesty and a sham, on what grounds are they asking the Supreme Court to declare them the winners? Winners based on what?
The end game is to prolong Jubilee's ruinous rule and destroy the country. It is either their way or the country goes to the dogs.
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They have sunk their petition by asking for too much - that SCORK cannot grant
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They dont care about the petition. All they care about is Nusu Mkate Government.
Their attack on Chebukati is a means to get there . Their strategy is get him out of the way , then there will be a Constituional crisis . Through Parliament negotiate a NARA , make Raila PM and change Constituion. If SCORK doesnt give them their way do it riot style .
However it will not be as easy as they think. They are mistaken .
They have sunk their petition by asking for too much - that SCORK cannot grant
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I dont think SCORK will walk onto such a trap with open eyes. They are asking for constitutional crisis that endangers everyone.
They dont care about the petition. All they care about is Nusu Mkate Government.
Their attack on Chebukati is a means to get there . Their strategy is get him out of the way , then there will be a Constituional crisis . Through Parliament negotiate a NARA , make Raila PM and change Constituion. If SCORK doesnt give them their way do it riot style .
However it will not be as easy as they think. They are mistaken .
They have sunk their petition by asking for too much - that SCORK cannot grant
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Which trap? They will act and deal with the one guy who is precipitating the constitutional crisis. A court is moved to act by those who seek justice in its corridors.They even ask you to state your prayers! The Court does not act on its own motion. So you think the Judges are twiddling their fingers and isn't listening to the lawyers in court? You are delusional and foolish on that account.
SCOK allowed 18 lawyers for Petitioners and 4 for the Respondents. All 18 have spoken about how Chebukati willfully violated the Constitution ... Postponed General Elections in 2 counties, abrogated himself powers "to decided" what he would declare .... didnt announce the tally of 27 constituencies even after order had been restored! (Just coz WSR was sitting next to him, daggers drawn!)
Prof Ojienda had this to say in summary: The person I'd not like to be now is Githu Muigai because every advocate in this court has spoken on violations of his client against the constitution.
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I dont think SCORK will walk onto such a trap with open eyes. They are asking for constitutional crisis that endangers everyone.
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SCORK powers are limited by constitution and the laws.
They are limited as election court - to either annul or not annual
They expect someone is asking election to be annualed to do so - with utmost good faith - so he can go back and run again - win or lose - comeback.
Azimio are showing bad faith by asking that Chebukati doesnt participate.
While they know Chebukati cannot be fired or jailed by SCORK.
Chebukati can only be fired through established procedure - he is on equal basis with supreme court judge.
Raila was already given hail mary pass in 2017 - he decided to go for violence - something he would have done without wasting SCORK time.
The court is also very aware that election should be settled at IEBC and ballots - not settled by 7 judges! So annuallment is normally not easy - and ours was Africa first.
So bad faith - annual but we wont use it - we will go violence or EXTRA JUDICIAL MEANS.
The SCORK should simply ignore them and tell them proceed with violence, political and constitutional crisis without us.
Which trap? They will act and deal with the one guy who is precipitating the constitutional crisis. A court is moved to act by those who seek justice in its corridors.The even ask you to state your prayers! The Court does not act on its own motion. So you think the Court is wishing away time and isn't listening to the lawyers in court? You are delusional and foolish on that account.
SCOK allowed 18 lawyers for Petitioners and 4 for the Respondents. All 18 have spoken about how Chebukati willfully violated the Constitution ... Postponed General Elections in 2 counties, decided what he would declare .... didnt announce the tally of 27 constituencies even after order had been restored! (Just coz WSR was sitting next to him, daggers drawn!)
Prof Ojienda had this to say in summary: Tom Ojienda: The person I'd not like to be now is Githu Muigai because every advocate in this court has spoken on violations of his client against the constitution.
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I dont think SCORK will walk onto such a trap with open eyes. They are asking for constitutional crisis that endangers everyone.
They dont care about the petition. All they care about is Nusu Mkate Government.
Their attack on Chebukati is a means to get there . Their strategy is get him out of the way , then there will be a Constituional crisis . Through Parliament negotiate a NARA , make Raila PM and change Constituion. If SCORK doesnt give them their way do it riot style .
However it will not be as easy as they think. They are mistaken .
They have sunk their petition by asking for too much - that SCORK cannot grant
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Even in 2017 with Maragas Misrule IEBC were only told to do a repeat election. SCORK did not sanction IEBC. This time around they have changed tact and they want IEBC official heads.
Now if Supreme court grants Railas wish You talk of Constituional crisis . It will be a national catastrophe . Even SCORK wont survive .
I dont think SCORK will walk onto such a trap with open eyes. They are asking for constitutional crisis that endangers everyone.
They dont care about the petition. All they care about is Nusu Mkate Government.
Their attack on Chebukati is a means to get there . Their strategy is get him out of the way , then there will be a Constituional crisis . Through Parliament negotiate a NARA , make Raila PM and change Constituion. If SCORK doesnt give them their way do it riot style .
However it will not be as easy as they think. They are mistaken .
They have sunk their petition by asking for too much - that SCORK cannot grant
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Exactly. SCORK will not survive because the constitution would have failed - and we will need new constitution - and they will become victim. Only a fool will walk straight into a constitutional crisis.
Even in 2017 with Maragas Misrule IEBC were only told to do a repeat election. SCORK did not sanction IEBC. This time around they have changed tact and they want IEBC official heads.
Now if Supreme court grants Railas wish You talk of Constituional crisis . It will be a national catastrophe . Even SCORK wont survive .
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Vitisho baridi. For years Pundit threathened about Kalenjin warriors on this wall. Last week in futility he was crying here asking for Uganda to invade Kenya.
Whatever you have, come baby come!
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The job warriors can do is different from what Uganda can help. What is required now is intelligence to track and neutralize all coup plotters. Ruto can ask Museveni to send him spies - and they will do the job - with help of Ruto men. These are just few pests - that need to be fixed.
Warriors only come out if there is brazen rigging like 2007 - that spark violence - if they had kidnapped Chebukati for example in Bomas. Ruto security men put a serious gordon in Bomas and they failed to kidnap or arrest Chebukati.
Vitisho baridi. For years Pundit threathened about Kalenjin warriors on this wall. Last week in futility he was crying here asking for Uganda to invade Kenya.
Whatever you have, come baby come!
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A constitutional crisis will happen if a re-run is ordered, no matter if no other orders are granted.
I doubt this court will grant any of the orders re IEBC/Commissioners, just judging from the way they dealt with Moses Kuria and IEBC lawyer applications. They seem determined to avoid coming anywhere near the IEBC crisis. If they order a re-run, they'll just say 're-run in 60 days per this/that article.'
The crisis is not the making of the court but of IEBC (and the political camps who've sullied the institution). It'll happen simply because IEBC is currently dysfunctional and politicians will reject the faction of commissioners aligned with the other side. We'll need a temporary measure, like a limited commission of three, quickly drawn from professionals from other countries who can do the job quickly. If that can be done in two weeks and they do everything openly at every stage, we might get the re-run by deadline or perhaps miss it by just a short time. Better than a prolonged crisis.
But don't expect the crisis to come from any specific orders of the court apart from a re-run: the re-run will immediately usher in the crisis, because it comes from IEBC, not the court.
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The more reason not to allow it unless there is very compelling reason that 2022 election were totally messed up. They werent. Everyone else is very happy - those who lost are happy - in the other seats.
Just a perennial loser in the presidential race with a bad reputation.
SCORK job is to defend the constitution - not to walk straight into constitutional crisis - based on flimsy reasons.
Raila need a smoking gun - he has nothing - fake form 34as, fake logs and rogue IEBC commissioners whose stories keep changing
Why would SCORK stop enjoying their lives like rest of kenyans - and worry about the ambition of one Raila- drag the country through constitutional crisis - where no one knows how it will be resolve - it could degenerate into civil war.
A constitutional crisis will happen if a re-run is ordered, no matter if no other orders are granted.
I doubt this court will grant any of the orders re IEBC/Commissioners, just judging from the way they dealt with Moses Kuria and IEBC lawyer applications. They seem determined to avoid coming anywhere near the IEBC crisis. If they order a re-run, they'll just say 're-run in 60 days per this/that article.'
The crisis is not the making of the court but of IEBC (and the political camps who've sullied the institution). It'll happen simply because IEBC is currently dysfunctional and politicians will reject the faction of commissioners aligned with the other side. We'll need a temporary measure, like a limited commission of three, quickly drawn from professionals from other countries who can do the job quickly. If that can be done in two weeks and they do everything openly at every stage, we might get the re-run by deadline or perhaps miss it by just a short time. Better than a prolonged crisis.
But don't expect the crisis to come from any specific orders of the court apart from a re-run: the re-run will immediately usher in the crisis, because it comes from IEBC, not the court.
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The more reason not to allow it unless there is very compelling reason that 2017 election were totally messed up. They werent. Just a perennial loser with a bad reputation.
You already know my position was re-tallying based on an agreed authentic source; precisely because I don't want a prolonged crisis. But this court will not order that, it's obvious. I'm just suggesting not to blame the court for any crisis that follows based on any orders sought about the commissioners themselves and their chair. In the current circumstances, if they send us back to the ballot, a crisis is following majorly because IEBC has been totally messed up. The courts do not have any constitutional powers to remedy that because its not their job to sort messy politics.
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The part you are not getting is simple
1) Raila has history of getting annualment then throw it to the dogs and going for extra-judicial means.
2) Raila is saying this time - he aint going to Chebukati
So it obvious they are asking the court to annual and occasion a crisis. That HUGE ASK.
You already know my position was re-tallying based on an agreed authentic source; precisely because I don't want a prolonged crisis. But this court will not order that, it's obvious. I'm just suggesting not to blame the court for any crisis that follows based on any orders sought about the commissioners themselves and their chair. In the current circumstances, if they send us back to the ballot, a crisis is following majorly because IEBC has been totally messed up. The courts do not have any constitutional powers to remedy that because its not their job to sort messy politics.
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Why would SCORK stop enjoying their lives like rest of kenyans - and worry about the ambition of one Raila.
Why would SCORK stop enjoying their lives like rest of kenyans - and worry about the ambition of one Ruto.
Submissions for the day over: Now listen to the Judges questions - live now!.....
In 2017, we found that they seemed interested and that shown a light that the Election would be annulled. Remember the question, "what happens to the other 5 ballots"?
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Dear Mami, I spoke the other day about Raila End game . Is simply Change the Constituion and have a P.M. and a Parliamentary system with regional Governments . Raila has been pursuing this dream and for him its more important than even Presidency.
In 2005 he was outfoxed by Kibaki , 2010 Constituional Referendum he was outfoxed by Ruto and Uhuru similarly in 2015 with OKOA Kenya and just last year BBI was thrown out by Kenyan Judiciary.
You see a rerun , We see a NARA in the making. He is going for P.M. post and Parliamentary system.
Look what Anyang Nyongo is saying. Fortunately like in 2017 Ruto wont accept any Bullshit.
https://eu.docs.wps.com/l/sAFBjHUHqmOmfAfLQtvGtpxQ
While this Supreme Court decision will no doubt do justice to the case and nullify the fraudulent elections, thereby occasioning a win for the Raila Amolo Odinga team, the long term solution to electoral fraudulence and its attendant political instability can only be found in a parliamentary system architecture in line with the safeguards needed within the socio-political economy of Kenya. This debate was cut short by the petty bourgeois compromises during the 2005-2010 debates which produced the current constitution. The debates must now be urgently intensified and urgently carried out to come up wit a Kenyan constitution which will stand the test of time.
P. Anyang’ Nyong’o
Kisumu
August 22, 2022.
A constitutional crisis will happen if a re-run is ordered, no matter if no other orders are granted.
I doubt this court will grant any of the orders re IEBC/Commissioners, just judging from the way they dealt with Moses Kuria and IEBC lawyer applications. They seem determined to avoid coming anywhere near the IEBC crisis. If they order a re-run, they'll just say 're-run in 60 days per this/that article.'
The crisis is not the making of the court but of IEBC (and the political camps who've sullied the institution). It'll happen simply because IEBC is currently dysfunctional and politicians will reject the faction of commissioners aligned with the other side. We'll need a temporary measure, like a limited commission of three, quickly drawn from professionals from other countries who can do the job quickly. If that can be done in two weeks and they do everything openly at every stage, we might get the re-run by deadline or perhaps miss it by just a short time. Better than a prolonged crisis.
But don't expect the crisis to come from any specific orders of the court apart from a re-run: the re-run will immediately usher in the crisis, because it comes from IEBC, not the court.
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A crisis following a re-run is not my theory, it's the logical outcome of what transpired in IEBC since election night. My suggestion of three foreign commissioners is just my thinking of how such a crisis might be prevented quickly if we end up there.
That Prime Minister agenda theory is tinted with your hatred of Raila; I disagree and I'm far more aware of his constitutional reform ambitions than you (and I agree with these reforms) :) I see a different agenda in a crisis, from you: I see Uhuru's hand and desire to continue a year longer. So you see a Raila ghost, I see a Uhuru ghost—Guy has all the state machinery, could've easily prevented problems if he wanted. Both are highly speculative whereas the crisis is far more probable if a re-run is ordered and proposed solution IF IT HAPPENS, is reasonable.
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How long will it take to disband the current commision and Sanction current IEBC Commisioner ?
Parliament will need to approve new commisioners . This is not a walk in the park the way you put it out.
Raila vision of a P.M. as stipulated in Nyongos Journal has been his Vision. Even joining hands with Uhuru his mission he thought was to end up with a new constituion with a P.M. and Parliamentary Regional Govt system. Thats why he had to give Uhuru time after Uhuru waw reluctant at first and after Uhuru shafted him in BBI 1 .
Everyone knows this.
If things were to degenerate why would Uhuru want to rule an unruly country. The other day Uhuru had to stop the so called Vigil at IEBC and Supreme Court offices.
Raila is determined to go all the way for him to change the Constituion through NARA like accord and become P.M. as shorterm solution and change of Constituion as longterm solution.
And even if he loses in Court he will still pursue change of Constituion . Take this to the bank.
A crisis following a re-run is not my theory, it's the logical outcome of what transpired in IEBC since election night. My suggestion of three foreign commissioners is just my thinking of how such a crisis might be prevented quickly if we end up there.
That Prime Minister agenda theory is tinted with your hatred of Raila; I disagree and I'm far more aware of his constitutional reform ambitions than you (and I agree with these reforms) :) I see a different agenda in a crisis, from you: I see Uhuru's hand and desire to continue a year longer. So you see a Raila ghost, I see a Uhuru ghost—Guy has all the state machinery, could've easily prevented problems if he wanted. Both are highly speculative whereas the crisis is far more probable if a re-run is ordered and proposed solution IF IT HAPPENS, is reasonable.
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Noway and Pundit, can you two please stop trying to lecture me on the problems of a constitutional crisis when I saw it and worried about it loooong before you? You even rudely argued with me about the prospect while I agonized over possible scenarios and how to prevent them all the while bragging over how you'd win a re-run? Now you johnny come latelies want to explain the problem to me as if I'm a child . . . No. Take a seat, fellaz! 8)
Understand my simple points!
1) I'm saying, don't blame SCOK for crisis, chida ni IEBC and politicians.
2) Court DOES NOT have the power to resolve the problems taken to them, like many prayers in Raila's petition assume; it's not their job to invent solutions that don't yet exist in our law. That's politicians' job.
3) IF (Read the if again if you're having trouble getting) we end up there, the only solution would be to attempt a limited, neutral commission, and if we can't then the crisis would continue
Nowhere have I suggested 'its a walk in the park,' I've said numerously now that it's NOT a walk in the park which is why I don't want it!!!! Again, stop pretending you're sonehow more concerned about this. Aish! 8)
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Dear Mami you're already in constitutional crisis.This thread say the real threat of it is the reason the real threshold to annual this election is very very very high and frankly Raila has failed to convince the judges why they should take Kenya there by annualing it.Ruto has working majority to rule and had mandate..SCORK will go for him.Raila can pursue reforms n nusu mkate..and almost all judges asked them those questions
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Dear Mami you're already in constitutional crisis.This thread say the real threat of it is the reason the real threshold to annual this election is very very very high and frankly Raila has failed to convince the judges why they should take Kenya there by annualing it.Ruto has working majority to rule and had mandate..SCORK will go for him.Raila can pursue reforms n nusu mkate..and almost all judges asked them those questions
Pundit, I'm fully aware we are not there. My response in this thread was prompted by YOU GUYS suggesting that SCOK would be the cause by ordering those prayers about Chebukati etc. The only reason I posted was to make the point that the danger was in the re-run, not what SCOK orders about Commissioners. Yaani, if they order a re-run, the crisis happens no matter what they decide to do about the Commissioners.
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Dear Mami, I think our disagreement is that you think the judges will proceed blindly and follow where the evidence will lead them ..if it's crisis..they will have done their job.I am saying Raila pulled the dangerous cards too early..rogue commissioners ace and then proudly rejecting rerun under Chebukati is asking the judges for nuclear weapons.If deep state had been smart..they won't have pulled those dangerous cards.. before going to court.They would have pretended to want what judges can grant..a rerun..then immediately activated Chebukati iebc factions...they messed up.Once Chebukati stuck to his guns..deep state should not have panicked knowing they will need SCORK.They should not have killed IEBC then rush to court to ask for a rerun.Rerun when you have killed IEBC?The four commissioner should have waited before playing the rogue card...wait while sabotaging Chebukati internally...but go to this extend of hiring two iebc lawyers..was stupid.SCORk can only give you a second chance with IEBC..but here you're proudly presenting divided gov, divided iebc and asking scork for permission to divide Kenya and start a civil war
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Like Justice Ibrahim said what is being asked of them is unthinkable .. you're basically asking scork .the last man standing to start a civil war at worse..a overthrow of constitutional order at best...with drunken outgoing president and a tough deputy president ducking out.. everyone including economy will be damned.If you were asking for IEBC to fix a few issues and you do a rerun that is 2017..that hard ask but okay .But you present iebc corpse then say you won't run under a dead IEBc because we just killed it with our deep state partners...this will be 7-0 because the evidence doesn't even exist
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Like Justice Ibrahim said what is being asked of them is unthinkable .. you're basically asking scork .the last man standing to start a civil war at worse..a overthrow of constitutional order at best...with drunken outgoing president and a tough deputy president ducking out.. everyone including economy will be damned.If you were asking for IEBC to fix a few issues and you do a rerun that is 2017..that hard ask but okay .But you present iebc corpse then say you won't run under a dead IEBc because we just killed it with our deep state partners...this will be 7-0 because the evidence doesn't even exist
Civil war because electoral fraudsters are dealt with? That is stupid.
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Like Justice Ibrahim said what is being asked of them is unthinkable .. you're basically asking scork .the last man standing to start a civil war at worse..a overthrow of constitutional order at best...with drunken outgoing president and a tough deputy president ducking out.. everyone including economy will be damned.If you were asking for IEBC to fix a few issues and you do a rerun that is 2017..that hard ask but okay .But you present iebc corpse then say you won't run under a dead IEBc because we just killed it with our deep state partners...this will be 7-0 because the evidence doesn't even exist
Civil war because electoral fraudsters are dealt with? That is stupid.
You lived with native English speakers yet you can't understand basic plain English..at best..at worse you're and idiot
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Like Justice Ibrahim said what is being asked of them is unthinkable .. you're basically asking scork .the last man standing to start a civil war at worse..a overthrow of constitutional order at best...with drunken outgoing president and a tough deputy president ducking out.. everyone including economy will be damned.If you were asking for IEBC to fix a few issues and you do a rerun that is 2017..that hard ask but okay .But you present iebc corpse then say you won't run under a dead IEBc because we just killed it with our deep state partners...this will be 7-0 because the evidence doesn't even exist
Civil war because electoral fraudsters are dealt with? That is stupid.
You lived with native English speakers yet you can't understand basic plain English..at best..at worse you're and idiot
The stupidity is in tying ourselves up in a constitution that is obviously inadequate. What's the point of a Supreme court if they cannot be imaginative and Supreme? Disband the idots, they're clearly scared of the electoral fraudsters.
Naona ujaacha ujinga... you're basically the same obtuse and foolish RV Pundit I met 20 years ago Labda hata ndevu huna bado.
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Bryan I remain me..only logic and reason will change me..my first car vw Passat I bought after I talked to you ..I was 25yrs
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Bryan I remain me..only logic and reason will change me..my first car vw Passat I bought after I talked to you ..I was 25yrs
Oh yes I remember the Passat.. they were lovely cars. I'm actually planning to get a Golf in a few weeks time. My first VW.
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Bryan I remain me..only logic and reason will change me..my first car vw Passat I bought after I talked to you ..I was 25yrs
Oh yes I remember the Passat.. they were lovely cars. I'm actually planning to get a Golf in a few weeks time. My first VW.
you were into cars then..I remember you telling me to buy a Cherokee..I was like what fuck is that...by then my dad had forced to buy plot and build before buying car ...I was in quaries just 23-24yr old.. built house then I was free to buy car..at 25yrs..long time . Folks respected.I was 25yrs with my own house built with my own sweat driving a German car
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Fred Ngatia address the stability
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Ngatia address the constitutional crisis
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Ngatia...Raila is on record that he won't participate Ina fresh election? What solution thereby election presided over by vice chair.Monumental constitutional crisis.You don't want to put fire
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Ngatia..look for Ghana..substantive truth which brings finality and stability
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Katwa.. Technology
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Katwa.. speaking slowly
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Katwa ..kills Azimio ochieng evidence in monotone?
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Say evidence has low probative value despite coming from a lawyer
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We went to polling stations... agents and pos...six..they say falsified
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Katwa.. very well in technology is meant for comfort ..but results based on papers