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Title: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 12:44:24 PM
First RUN
RUN and try to create or hope to have second round.
This can either through ballot - where no one get 50 plus 1 or supreme court  annualing the results

That is when his value shoot to the roof.

How does he deal with trust issues.

Parliament calendar is delinked from executive.
Parliament that is getting disolved today will resume immediately

Ask whoever has parliamentary majority to pass the law making Kalonzo the prime minister  or chief minister- act of parliament
And make it hard to be fired.
In fact demand for NA and Senate Speaker as GOODWILL :)
Put your two sons to sit there :)

This what happened in NARA act of 2008.

Then pick that side as long as they appoint you to the prime minister position
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: Pajero on May 30, 2022, 02:17:05 PM
Leave Kalonzo alone,you have Mutua and Muthama,plan with them.
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: Pragmatic on May 30, 2022, 02:17:16 PM
Come on.... What TRUST issues!! Even you are onto this fallacy. The fact of the matter is that Raila never became President and therefore had no agreement that he reneged on.

Those exist only in his fertile mind. He said he will deal with Uhuru, has Uhuru fixed those so called TRUST issues for him?? He is so entitled it is unbelievable... what is that he keeps saying he has sacrificed?? Even Uhuru is tired of his unrealistic demands.

He has ran before and he knows how that went. Even now, he keeps putting out a threat to run, but he clearly knows he is headed nowhere... it is a joke.

Instead of scouring the ground canvassing for votes, he is busy in his entitled paneled office making demands. He is the laziest amongst all these fellows surpassed only by Mudavadi, then Wetangula. They are freeloaders.

Martha is doing 100x better than he would have were he the running mate. She is exciting the base and the undecided.... the best he does is cause chaos.

Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 02:23:07 PM
I offer pro bono advices - most people dont take it - so worry not - Kalonzo is not the smartest bulb in the room.
Leave Kalonzo alone,you have Mutua and Muthama,plan with them.
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: Pajero on May 30, 2022, 02:25:05 PM

But Mudavadi and Weta are🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: Nowayhaha on May 30, 2022, 02:25:53 PM
Good in Theory. First based on experience its almost impossible to go for a run off.
Secondly Getting 2/3rd Majority is almost next to impossible. Too many parties to achieve that single handedly.
Kalonzo because of miscalculations has really destroyed his brand in that even if he runs will perform worse than in 2007.
He was also out did by Mudavadi and Wetangula who negotiated their share in Kenya Kwanza thus the best he can get are maybe 3 CS position.
His troops think he can go back to Azimio and get PM post and some CS position in the eyes of Akamba thats a better deal than Kenya Kwanza.
My advice is he should swallow his pride join Ruto who is winning get assured of the 3 Ministries then fight out from there . Same thing he did in 2002 and Uhuru did in 2007.
Within NARC he came in with a lower claut that Ngilu but by 2007 it was clear he was the Kingpin.
If he goes back to Azimio they will lose elections and he will be in the political cold for another 5 years
If he runs he will do a Mudavadi 2013.
If he joins  Kenya Kwanza Rutos votes basket in Ukambani increases and he is assured of CS posts and can pick himself ip from there. Once in Government he will become more powerful and have a sway. He will come out stronger in 2027.



Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 02:27:18 PM
Ruto worked so hard and he was betrayed on first day by Uhuru.
Betrayal is constant in politics.
In fact I remember toying with idea of Ruto doing a mevdev -putin with Uhuru but obviously Uhuru wont have accepted.
Trust in politics is non-existent.

Ruto is very luckly because he cannot be fired as DPORK;
Otherwise right now Gideon Moi would be DPORK and being pushed for PORK;

Now let move to Poor Kaloi.
He clearly has trust issues with almost everyone.
He feel Ruto betrayed him in 2007 by backing Raila.
Uhuru and Ruto betrayed him in KKK despite shuttle diplomacy and other crap.
Raila has betrayed him thrice now - 2013, 2017 and 2022 by-passed for DPORK.

So he has to figure out how to deal with it.

My suggestion - take only a position that makes you hard to be fired.

First take one of speakers - esp NA speaker - gov cannot function with a hostile speaker.
Then take Chief CS.

Only that is possible in run-off scenario when his value will improve drastically. Right now he is of low value like you say. Work hard for run-off. Either through ballot or supreme court.

Come on.... What TRUST issues!! Even you are onto this fallacy. The fact of the matter is that Raila never became President and therefore had no agreement that he reneged on.

Those exist only in his fertile mind. He said he will deal with Uhuru, has Uhuru fixed those so called TRUST issues for him?? He is so entitled it is unbelievable... what is that he keeps saying he has sacrificed?? Even Uhuru is tired of his unrealistic demands.

He has ran before and he knows how that went. Even now, he keeps putting out a threat to run, but he clearly knows he is headed nowhere... it is a joke.

Instead of scouring the ground canvassing for votes, he is busy in his entitled paneled office making demands. He is the laziest amongst all these fellows surpassed only by Mudavadi, then Wetangula. They are freeloaders.

Martha is doing 100x better than he would have were he the running mate. She is exciting the base and the undecided.... the best he does is cause chaos.


Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 02:33:04 PM
That  is the best deal on the table; If he was willing to come down to three CS; and no PM or Chief CS which maDVD has taken;
That to me is surebet - deal on the hand.

Maybe Ruto has to create an hydra headed thing at top - with two Prime Ministers :) - just to assuage his ego.

He wants more. Kamba nations want more. To be below maDVD is to accept hard reality.
And well 2017 can happen - when supreme court annualed Uhuru win.

Good in Theory. First based on experience its almost impossible to go for a run off.
Secondly Getting 2/3rd Majority is almost next to impossible. Too many parties to achieve that single handedly.
Kalonzo because of miscalculations has really destroyed his brand in that even if he runs will perform worse than in 2007.
He was also out did by Mudavadi and Wetangula who negotiated their share in Kenya Kwanza thus the best he can get are maybe 3 CS position.
His troops think he can go back to Azimio and get PM post and some CS position in the eyes of Akamba thats a better deal than Kenya Kwanza.
My advice is he should swallow his pride join Ruto who is winning get assured of the 3 Ministries then fight out from there . Same thing he did in 2002 and Uhuru did in 2007.
Within NARC he came in with a lower claut that Ngilu but by 2007 it was clear he was the Kingpin.
If he goes back to Azimio they will lose elections and he will be in the political cold for another 5 years
If he runs he will do a Mudavadi 2013.
If he joins  Kenya Kwanza Rutos votes basket in Ukambani increases and he is assured of CS posts and can pick himself ip from there. Once in Government he will become more powerful and have a sway. He will come out stronger in 2027.




Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 02:37:38 PM
Very brilliant; getting 30 percent of gov; just to contribute 4-5 percent of the vote; BRILLIANT. Ruto already had 30 percent of Luhyas - these two are just adding another 30 percent; So they are bringing very very litte; and harvesting very very big.

They are the stars of 2022 election negotiation - they strike the rode when it was hot.

When everyone was in Azimio and other nonsense - they went to Ruto early.

Their timming impeccable. Ruto was desperate for support as Uhuru had aligned almost all the forces against him - trying to lynch him like a roadside thief.

Go to Ruto now - even getting to see him is a problem - Ask Kipruto Kirwa :) :) Saa hii ni makofi ya farouk kibet ndio inatembea karen to avoid jostling


But Mudavadi and Weta are🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: Nowayhaha on May 30, 2022, 02:49:46 PM
True 2017 can happen , but you saw what happened .The results will be all out there and all and sundry will know who the real winner will be .In this case Ruto , Kalonzo will come in at worse of position.
The reason Raila refused repeat elections was simply because he knew the results based on the original results.
That  is the best deal on the table; If he was willing to come down to three CS; and no PM or Chief CS which maDVD has taken;
That to me is surebet - deal on the hand.

Maybe Ruto has to create an hydra headed thing at top - with two Prime Ministers :) - just to assuage his ego.

He wants more. Kamba nations want more. To be below maDVD is to accept hard reality.
And well 2017 can happen - when supreme court annualed Uhuru win.

Good in Theory. First based on experience its almost impossible to go for a run off.
Secondly Getting 2/3rd Majority is almost next to impossible. Too many parties to achieve that single handedly.
Kalonzo because of miscalculations has really destroyed his brand in that even if he runs will perform worse than in 2007.
He was also out did by Mudavadi and Wetangula who negotiated their share in Kenya Kwanza thus the best he can get are maybe 3 CS position.
His troops think he can go back to Azimio and get PM post and some CS position in the eyes of Akamba thats a better deal than Kenya Kwanza.
My advice is he should swallow his pride join Ruto who is winning get assured of the 3 Ministries then fight out from there . Same thing he did in 2002 and Uhuru did in 2007.
Within NARC he came in with a lower claut that Ngilu but by 2007 it was clear he was the Kingpin.
If he goes back to Azimio they will lose elections and he will be in the political cold for another 5 years
If he runs he will do a Mudavadi 2013.
If he joins  Kenya Kwanza Rutos votes basket in Ukambani increases and he is assured of CS posts and can pick himself ip from there. Once in Government he will become more powerful and have a sway. He will come out stronger in 2027.




Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 02:59:06 PM
Supreme court look heavy with Azimio - Njoki, Mwilu, Martha and Ouko - those four are enough - Lenaola I think is gone - make that 5 - add wariah who was tortured. They are going to see KANU return and will want to do something about it.

So they can annual again unless Ruto beat Raila by 20 percent as is very likely. Ruto has to beat Raila thoroughly.

In run off - Kalonzo premier will sky high - because he will create a momentum.

True 2017 can happen , but you saw what happened .The results will be all out there and all and sundry will know who the real winner will be .In this case Ruto , Kalonzo will come in at worse of position.
The reason Raila refused repeat elections was simply because he knew the results based on the original results.
That  is the best deal on the table; If he was willing to come down to three CS; and no PM or Chief CS which maDVD has taken;
That to me is surebet - deal on the hand.

Maybe Ruto has to create an hydra headed thing at top - with two Prime Ministers :) - just to assuage his ego.

He wants more. Kamba nations want more. To be below maDVD is to accept hard reality.
And well 2017 can happen - when supreme court annualed Uhuru win.

Good in Theory. First based on experience its almost impossible to go for a run off.
Secondly Getting 2/3rd Majority is almost next to impossible. Too many parties to achieve that single handedly.
Kalonzo because of miscalculations has really destroyed his brand in that even if he runs will perform worse than in 2007.
He was also out did by Mudavadi and Wetangula who negotiated their share in Kenya Kwanza thus the best he can get are maybe 3 CS position.
His troops think he can go back to Azimio and get PM post and some CS position in the eyes of Akamba thats a better deal than Kenya Kwanza.
My advice is he should swallow his pride join Ruto who is winning get assured of the 3 Ministries then fight out from there . Same thing he did in 2002 and Uhuru did in 2007.
Within NARC he came in with a lower claut that Ngilu but by 2007 it was clear he was the Kingpin.
If he goes back to Azimio they will lose elections and he will be in the political cold for another 5 years
If he runs he will do a Mudavadi 2013.
If he joins  Kenya Kwanza Rutos votes basket in Ukambani increases and he is assured of CS posts and can pick himself ip from there. Once in Government he will become more powerful and have a sway. He will come out stronger in 2027.




Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: Pajero on May 30, 2022, 02:59:37 PM
Yes,It's dawned on you,Ruto needs Kalonzo like yesterday because in Muthama and Mutua he has empty shells occupying space for nothing.Anyway too late for you.
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 03:01:27 PM
He can come for 2-3 cs. Nobody is even bothering with him. Ruto is 2nd party in Ukambani after Wiper. If he joins - then Ruto will scale down the campaigns - and start governing.

Yes,It's dawned on you,Ruto needs Kalonzo like yesterday because in Muthama and Mutua he has empty shells occupying space for nothing.Anyway too late for you.
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: Pajero on May 30, 2022, 03:11:37 PM
I thought KK was not about positions but service delivery🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: GeeMail on May 30, 2022, 04:08:41 PM
Pundit finally admit BBI noise was hot air. Bandia high priest now want BBI like hot cake.
Title: Re: If Kalonzo had a brain - this is what he will do to fix trust issues
Post by: RV Pundit on May 30, 2022, 04:12:58 PM
I had no problem with fake positions for fake people like kalonzo; power is not in position; ask RUto what DPORK is helping him now; nothing even he fuel his own cars now; they locked up his expensive clothes in mombasa statehouse :).  What changed - constitution didnt- he fell out with PORK. Deputy governor all country go through the same shiet. Some are given all four or five newspapers and tea less sugar without Mandazi...and nothing more..you spend your day reading newspapers, filling soduku and crosswords as you wait for the governor to die or be impeached....some dont even get official car.

Real power rest in PORK - ingine ni sarakasi ya ABUNUWASI.

I had serious issues with other aspect of BBI. Like judiciary, police, name it; I hated allowing Mps to be part of executive; that mongrel would undo 2010.
Pundit finally admit BBI noise was hot air. Bandia high priest now want BBI like hot cake.