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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Georgesoros on May 18, 2022, 11:41:43 PM
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The guy as gone too much MAGA and forgotten that Toyotas et al have also coming up with better models than Tesla. He is all over politics and he is losing bit by bit. TSLA is half its value that a few mos ago. He wants to back out of Twitter - minus $1bil. Too impulsive at business and his age.
He became paranoid like Trump.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-18/musk-says-esg-an-outrageous-scam-after-tesla-index-exclusion?srnd=premium
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I would never trust such a mercurial man with billions of dollars - leave alone my pension plan. Afadhali miti yangu. They have no emotions.
Musk and his ventures is loved by young guns like Robina - who want to play russian roullette with their savings - because they got no responsibilities or kids.Same Musk crew you find them in bitcoins.
You can almost predict how these risky big moves will always end - PREMIUM TEARS after one miscalculation.
Leaving likes of Bill Gates and Jeff Bezo- such emotional stable folks as good safe pair of hands.
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Musk is not a speculator like say Warren Buffet. I don't love his investment ideas or politics, there he sucks. I like his ABILITY to build cutting-edge stuff. SpaceX is way ahead of any competition.. noone has managed to replicate reusable rockets not even the Chinese.
Tesla will stay ahead for years before GMs catch up. If you look carefully at the fundamentals: it's not just elec or batteries that Tesla has unbeatable lead. Or AI self-driving with nextgen chips Nvidia or Intel couldn't hack. It's actually in manufacturing that Tesla is beating VW like isukuti.
Look at Neuralink too - brainchips while Facebook is talking big headsets as everyone will walk around in the Metaverse. Duhh you don't need to be so smart to tell which one has more disruptive potential. Earbuds vs headsets.
Boring company is another good one.
Musk is a builder not a politician or career advisor. Or a shrink. If you are expecting Musk to go broke you will be waiting. Starlink satellites are lighting up the world.. it is expected SpaceX value will skyrocket soon. Dude owns 40% of SpaceX.
About stocks - Facebook, Netflix, etc have slipped 50% in 2022. Tough season. Tesla is worth like 10X VW or Ford. 3X Toyota the biggest auto seller in the world for decades.
Tesla is still the only ever 1T$ auto company in the world.
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Musk is not a speculator like say Warren Buffet. I don't love his investment ideas or politics, there he sucks. I like his ABILITY to build cutting-edge stuff. SpaceX is way ahead of any competition.. noone has managed to replicate reusable rockets not even the Chinese.
Tesla will stay ahead for years before GMs catch up. If you look carefully at the fundamentals: it's not just elec or batteries that Tesla has unbeatable lead. Or AI self-driving with nextgen chips Nvidia or Intel couldn't hack. It's actually in manufacturing that Tesla is beating VW like isukuti.
Look at Neuralink too - brainchips while Facebook is talking big headsets as everyone will walk around in the Metaverse. Duhh you don't need to be so smart to tell which one has more disruptive potential. Earbuds vs headsets.
Boring company is another good one.
Musk is a builder not a politician or career advisor. Or a shrink. If you are expecting Musk to go broke you will be waiting. Starlink satellites are lighting up the world.. it is expected SpaceX value will skyrocket soon. Dude owns 40% of SpaceX.
About stocks - Facebook, Netflix, etc have slipped 50% in 2022. Tough season. Tesla is worth like 10X VW or Ford. 3X Toyota the biggest auto seller in the world for decades.
Tesla is still the only ever 1T$ auto company in the world.
In my opinion, Tesla will hit $500 by year's end, because there is significant competition. Starlink will be killed by 5G, unless they significantly reduce the price. Space X, maybe, but only Robina can afford $20mil. Solar is neutral. He is not focused and the business is slowly sinking. I was looking to get into one Tesla but I changed my mind. Guy has lost focus and is into too much politics. He should have left Twitter alone - like everyone else. If he buys it, it will fail. If he leaves, $1bil is gone. It is a lose lose situation.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-lost-10bn-net-150707047.html
Robina, You need to cash out, or be prepared to lose more. This Guy is too impulsive.
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I cashed out of Tesla, an agonizing decision cause I was a believer and a long term holder but this guy is smoking way too much weed. His volatility is not good for business. How can you support republicans and maga who are still stuck on coal and fossil fuels while your core business is electric cars? The guy is a genius but man, I do not see what he is doing here, maybe he is banking on international growth but in the USA, the infrastructure is already there and the climate change believing dems are his core customers. His Twitter thing is also weird, he has a child like thing about freedom of speech, the cliche “ you can’t scream fire in a theater.” Explains it all, some speech can be deadly, who is to say that? Twitter? I do not know but in this era of misinformation, someone has to step in. If he buys Twitter and turns it into a right wing mind pollution like Fox News, watch how quickly people, banks and companies bail out. He sounds now like Trump junior on coke, horrible for business.
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Only someone with a small brain would invest in these tesla or bitcoin fling,even following whatever elon musk is doing is beyond insanity l...I'd rather plant seed oils or cotton,invest in a small factory,plant trees harvest them and sell firewood n timber rather than do this shit.
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Totally agree with you. There is so much you can do with money than buy Musk and Bitcoins. The same with investing in NSE - the folks who made that mistake are crying in toilet - as NSE index is now worse than in Moi era. These are guys you find very bitter with gov - because their investment is somehow strongly linked with local and global politics and economy. You wake up to find your asset or share tanked.
In kenya it almost non-brainer - invest in real estate. Next invest in gov treasuries...infrastructure bonds can give you 10 percent per annum...beating inflation.
Only someone with a small brain would invest in these tesla or bitcoin fling,even following whatever elon musk is doing is beyond insanity l...I'd rather plant seed oils or cotton,invest in a small factory,plant trees harvest them and sell firewood n timber rather than do this shit.
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Totally agree with you. There is so much you can do with money than buy Musk and Bitcoins. In kenya it almost non-brainer - invest in real estate.
Only someone with a small brain would invest in these tesla or bitcoin fling,even following whatever elon musk is doing is beyond insanity l...I'd rather plant seed oils or cotton,invest in a small factory,plant trees harvest them and sell firewood n timber rather than do this shit.
Not just real estate..even WATER.
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Passive investment - Land, rentals, warehouse - anything land. Then try to invest in passive agri stuff like trees, avacados, even sugar-cane, sisal...any of the permanent crops. Avoid seasonal crops unless you want active investment in agri.
Active investment - if you have the time - then of course do business - if you dont the time, energy and the passion- dont attempt - look for employment and invest in yourself(education).
Not just real estate..even WATER.
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Only someone with a small brain would invest in these tesla or bitcoin fling,even following whatever elon musk is doing is beyond insanity l...I'd rather plant seed oils or cotton,invest in a small factory,plant trees harvest them and sell firewood n timber rather than do this shit.
You hit me right on the balls bro. I still do crypto.
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I cashed out of Tesla, an agonizing decision cause I was a believer and a long term holder but this guy is smoking way too much weed. His volatility is not good for business. How can you support republicans and maga who are still stuck on coal and fossil fuels while your core business is electric cars? The guy is a genius but man, I do not see what he is doing here, maybe he is banking on international growth but in the USA, the infrastructure is already there and the climate change believing dems are his core customers. His Twitter thing is also weird, he has a child like thing about freedom of speech, the cliche “ you can’t scream fire in a theater.” Explains it all, some speech can be deadly, who is to say that? Twitter? I do not know but in this era of misinformation, someone has to step in. If he buys Twitter and turns it into a right wing mind pollution like Fox News, watch how quickly people, banks and companies bail out. He sounds now like Trump junior on coke, horrible for business.
Am predicting Tesla will be $400-$500/share and then remain so for a while to come. Down from $1100/share in january.
Musk is too erratic.
He killed it.
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it already near 500; how do you explain it rise from 100 in 2020; apart from irrational exuberance; That thing will drop to less than 100. It make no sense unless you listen to Robina yadayada about tech. End of the day it's a fany car.
Am predicting Tesla will be $400-$500/share and then remain so for a while to come. Down from $1100/share in january.
Musk is too erratic.
He killed it.
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Only someone with a small brain would invest in these tesla or bitcoin fling,even following whatever elon musk is doing is beyond insanity l...I'd rather plant seed oils or cotton,invest in a small factory,plant trees harvest them and sell firewood n timber rather than do this shit.
You hit me right on the balls bro. I still do crypto.
vooke?
Which crypto currency do you trade?
How much have you invested?
How much do you make per Day?
Table evidence.I don't like stories.
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Passive investment - Land, rentals, warehouse - anything land. Then try to invest in passive agri stuff like trees, avacados, even sugar-cane, sisal...any of the permanent crops. Avoid seasonal crops unless you want active investment in agri.
Active investment - if you have the time - then of course do business - if you dont the time, energy and the passion- dont attempt - look for employment and invest in yourself(education).
Not just real estate..even WATER.
Rentals are very good investment for stolen money,retirmement or inheritance because they are capital intensive.Buy a in Nairobi maybe Rudi for 5MN,Build 6 2BR units for 10MN That is 15MN already..Hire them at 15K monthly each with 50% occupancy monthly income is 45 k..it would take 30 years to get ROI..I think I'd rather build a godown for 3MN..Hire it for 50K monthly to SMEs like bakery or processors..sink a borehole next to it and have two water bowser that which would give 100k net monthly.
As for seasonal crops,As long as you are doing drought resistant grains and cereals.you are good to go.The rule is very simple.
1) Own the land
2) Have a water pan/borehole..harvest WATER.
3) own trucks to transport to market.
4) Process.
There will soon be oversupply of avocado.Id rather do mangoes oranges bananas.
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Yes rental are only good if you want to park the money.
10yr treasury bond of 10 million can give you 1.2m each year - 15m - can give you 1.5M - or almost 120K per month. So it better to invest in those infrastructure bonds. Zero overheads. Zero headache with tenants. Most are tax free. You get paid every six or 1yr for 10yrs.
Agree on warehouse - and commercial building - rather than residential rental. Commercial building will earn you more - you dont have to provide toilets and name it in every unit.
Agree on providing water - and such services
Seasonal crops - unless you're quiting your job - that like raising cattle or chicken - or tea - time requirement!!
Best bet - plant permanent low maintenance crops that you harvest for three months every year - that you can take leave and manage the harvesting - then go back to your day job
Of course high maturing trees are the best - zero maintanance - great returns.
All in all - first nail your day to day - either in job or business - that can give you money to live day to day comfortably.
Only then - can you start investing.
Rentals are very good investment for stolen money,retirmement or inheritance because they are capital intensive.Buy a in Nairobi maybe Rudi for 5MN,Build 6 2BR units for 10MN That is 15MN already..Hire them at 15K monthly each with 50% occupancy monthly income is 45 k..it would take 30 years to get ROI..I think I'd rather build a godown for 3MN..Hire it for 50K monthly to SMEs like bakery or processors..sink a borehole next to it and have two water bowser that which would give 100k net monthly.
As for seasonal crops,As long as you are doing drought resistant grains and cereals.you are good to go.The rule is very simple.
1) Own the land
2) Have a water pan/borehole..harvest WATER.
3) own trucks to transport to market.
4) Process.
There will soon be oversupply of avocado.Id rather do mangoes oranges bananas.
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Passive investment - Land, rentals, warehouse - anything land. Then try to invest in passive agri stuff like trees, avacados, even sugar-cane, sisal...any of the permanent crops. Avoid seasonal crops unless you want active investment in agri.
Active investment - if you have the time - then of course do business - if you dont the time, energy and the passion- dont attempt - look for employment and invest in yourself(education).
Not just real estate..even WATER.
Rentals are very good investment for stolen money,retirmement or inheritance because they are capital intensive.Buy a in Nairobi maybe Rudi for 5MN,Build 6 2BR units for 10MN That is 15MN already..Hire them at 15K monthly each with 50% occupancy monthly income is 45 k..it would take 30 years to get ROI..I think I'd rather build a godown for 3MN..Hire it for 50K monthly to SMEs like bakery or processors..sink a borehole next to it and have two water bowser that which would give 100k net monthly.
As for seasonal crops,As long as you are doing drought resistant grains and cereals.you are good to go.The rule is very simple.
1) Own the land
2) Have a water pan/borehole..harvest WATER.
3) own trucks to transport to market.
4) Process.
There will soon be oversupply of avocado.Id rather do mangoes oranges bananas.
I dont do much, maybe $200/month. Money I can afford to lose. I do Doge, ether, Shib
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We warned people that Elon was a fraud. A mentally unstable fool. A Kanye west of corporate world. He has left many holding the bag
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The millennial's are about to be taken through life session's of investment - bitcoins and Elon musk easy come easy go - is not investment - it's gambling.
We warned people that Elon was a fraud. A mentally unstable fool. A Kanye west of corporate world. He has left many holding the bag
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We warned people that Elon was a fraud. A mentally unstable fool. A Kanye west of corporate world. He has left many holding the bag
Will Twitter take the $1bil if he backs out?
Am not sure the deal will go thru
Maybe Thiel will rescue Musk.
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The millennial's are about to be taken through life session's of investment - bitcoins and Elon musk easy come easy go - is not investment - it's gambling.
We warned people that Elon was a fraud. A mentally unstable fool. A Kanye west of corporate world. He has left many holding the bag
The millennial's are about to be taken through life session's of investment - bitcoins and Elon musk easy come easy go - is not investment - it's gambling.
We warned people that Elon was a fraud. A mentally unstable fool. A Kanye west of corporate world. He has left many holding the bag
Crypto has a place, but nobody knows where to place it. It will take time.
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Elon is a FULL TRUMP.
Why could he annouce a 10% job cut in a EV boom economy?
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Georgesoros so when is Musk going bankrupt? He is still 80B clear of the closest runner-up Jeff Bezos.
WATCH THIS SPACE:
1. Tesla will rise to 2T+ as EVs take root globally
2. SpaceX will rise as it is increasing nobody can compete
3. Neuralink will dominate the "metaverse" and beat FBs
This not bitcoin but solid stuff.
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Georgesoros so when is Musk going bankrupt? He is still 80B clear of the closest runner-up Jeff Bezos.
WATCH THIS SPACE:
1. Tesla will rise to 2T+ as EVs take root globally
2. SpaceX will rise as it is increasing nobody can compete
3. Neuralink will dominate the "metaverse" and beat FBs
This not bitcoin but solid stuff.
Robina
In my opinion Tesla has peaked. Competitors like Hyundai have created similar tech at a cheaper cost. Also, Mercecedez came up with a 779mile EV - beating Teslas model S. He went into politics and forgot the golden rule - never openly campaign, so he is losing his base. Space X may save him.
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Musk is so federal they cant touch him. Just likeTrump .
Touch him and he switches side to Russia and you have Nuclear weapons being stationed in space. Something which was being seen as futurestic 20 years ago.
Governments need crazy people like Musk to advance their technologies. He is doing well and they are satisfied with him.
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Told ya Robina, lots of people deceided not to buy Tesla brand. Musk killed it.
He should shut his mandibles.
Stay out of politics
https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/07/06/tesla-stock-quivers-on-weak-q2-delivery-numbers/?sh=719b766d2b97
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He is such a dog!!!
Didnt even know he had grown kids.
He has stopped tweeting lately.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/elon-musk-had-twins-last-032809300.html
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Ok, on investing, most of you here post old-school philosophy. Which I agree with - safe stuff for conservative investment
Crytos & tech - invest early in startups or IPO. Tesla was <10$ 2010-13 so it doesn't matter whether it is 100$ or 1k$ now you are ever on top. BTC was 10$ 2010-12.. now fluctuates 20-60k. Dogecoin is still 0$ you can buy it right now - with disposable cash. Not kid's tuition or pension.
It is not gambling when you invest next to nothing. 1k or 5k usd. Then potentially get 1m$ in a few years.
But if you can only spot Tesla or Apple or Uber - TODAY - obviously it is too late and stupid to buy them.
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So Georgesoros - don't buy Tesla today :) - it was good 10 years ago. Buy dogecoin, and wait for 2 years.
Buy Twitter now. Duhhhh. It is suck at 40$ since 2013 IPO - thanks to poor leadership. Musk is crazy, imaginative has BIG potential to skyrocket it. Obviously it is a risk - put in 5k$ or such.
You can keep the tree farm and make smart gamble at the same time.
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So Georgesoros - don't buy Tesla today :) - it was good 10 years ago. Buy dogecoin, and wait for 2 years.
Buy Twitter now. Duhhhh. It is suck at 40$ since 2013 IPO - thanks to poor leadership. Musk is crazy, imaginative has BIG potential to skyrocket it. Obviously it is a risk - put in 5k$ or such.
With DoGE am still doing it. Its for the long term - 5,10,15yrs or so.
Twitter - NO!
You can keep the tree farm and make smart gamble at the same time.
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LoL mafala
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How are mafala doing?
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musks-76-old-dad-203015062.html
Runs in the family
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they are saying Musk has a warchest for the twitter bout.. of course it nonsense. I think the drama is to excite the market - i already picked some twitter shares.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/09/elon-musk-sells-7point92-million-tesla-shares-worth-6point88-billion.html
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they are saying Musk has a warchest for the twitter bout.. of course it nonsense. I think the drama is to excite the market - i already picked some twitter shares.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/09/elon-musk-sells-7point92-million-tesla-shares-worth-6point88-billion.html
Good for you!
I see Twitter has stabilized and has gone up significantly.
Meanwhile, he has stopped his shenanigans. His dad must have told him to stop. :):)
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Govt intervenes in Twitter.
National security at issue.
Musk is a national security threat and should be managed.
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Tesla has lost half of its value since november 2021 to November 2022. $400 to $191.
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We warned people that Elon was a fraud. A mentally unstable fool. A Kanye west of corporate world. He has left many holding the bag
Will Twitter take the $1bil if he backs out?
Am not sure the deal will go thru
Maybe Thiel will rescue Musk.
MUSK has gone full racist. It is clear on twitter.
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How is he racist now? Him, not the users?
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How is he racist now? Him, not the users?
By providing a national platform for racists to spread evil, is Trump a racist??
SAme thing Musk is doing.
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Tesla will go from $150/share to $100/share in a very short time.
Other EVs have emerged.
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Telsa is overrated.
Tesla will go from $150/share to $100/share in a very short time.
Other EVs have emerged.
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Tesla will go from $150/share to $100/share in a very short time.
Other EVs have emerged.
Looks like its going down faster than I thought.
Will Tesla survive $50???
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How can someone being funded directly by Federal Reserve go bankrupt. That SpaceX now owns NASA.
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Not sure why Tesla down almost 20% today.
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Tesla cars quality is garbage. This stock will end up going down another 50%
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The millennials are getting ripped apart and schooled like some of us did in 2000 dotcom crash.
The crypto + Tesla are same whatsapp group. PUMP and DUMP. PONZI.
Yes even at 100 - it still way over-valued. Toyota is valued at 190B. Telsa real value should be below 50B. The current value of 350 - means it still waaaay overvalued.
Tesla cars quality is garbage. This stock will end up going down another 50%
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This thread was very short-sighted.. you really do the real George Soros a disfavor :)
Jewish oligarchs are real. Dirty Zionist pigs but solid thrifters.
Grok is having ChatGPT and Bard for breakfast, lunch & dinner. No contest. It comes down to access to data:
X as global town-hall is more real-time
Bard has mountains of search data and obviously 🙂 Gmail conversations
ChatGPT has Bing search but a mere subset of Google data
The question is who has the BEST DATA. Grok wins hands down
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Telsa is overrated.
Tesla will go from $150/share to $100/share in a very short time.
Other EVs have emerged.
Tesla & BYD will chew the market
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He has recently started using heavy drugs.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/elon-musks-drug-causing-turmoil-155951308.html
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He has recently started using heavy drugs.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/elon-musks-drug-causing-turmoil-155951308.html
Nothing new. Musk is openly bipolar and has been self- medicating with weed and ecstasy for years. Investors only care about his OUTPUT - sobriety, morality or being 'clean' and such piety are pointless.
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@Georgesoros you should read Musk autobiography by Walter Isaacson... and see real stunts the dude does:
https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=16028.0
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=elon+musk+isaacson&adgrpid=152354034862&hvadid=678745895463&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=1009825&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8055645616611851418&hvtargid=kwd-1522611200764&hydadcr=27990_14727866&tag=hydglogoo-20&ref=pd_sl_5hh5jerd8f_e
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SpaceX launched every 4 days in 2023
https://www.tekedia.com/spacex-sets-new-record-and-unveils-starlink-satellite-phone-future/
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SpaceX's new direct-to-cell Starlink satellites relay their 1st text messages
https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-direct-to-cell-first-text-messages
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SpaceX's new direct-to-cell Starlink satellites relay their 1st text messages
https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-direct-to-cell-first-text-messages
SpaceX will disrupt telco - and eat Verizon and Vodafone/Safaricom lunch
In meantime its value has skyrocketed
SpaceX valuation climbs to $180 billion
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/13/spacex-value-climbs-to-180-billion-higher-than-boeing-verizon.html
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SpaceX's new direct-to-cell Starlink satellites relay their 1st text messages
https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-direct-to-cell-first-text-messages
SpaceX will disrupt telco - and eat Vodafone and Safaricom lunch
In meantime its value has skyrocketed
SpaceX valuation climbs to $180 billion
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/13/spacex-value-climbs-to-180-billion-higher-than-boeing-verizon.html
The company is one of the most valuable private companies in the world, classifying it as a "centicorn" or “hectocorn” — a $1 billion unicorn, 100 times over.
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Dogecoin price will skyrocket as Musk plans to launch Xpayments. I went hoarse urging a certain genius here to go for dogecoin instead of trees that need 20 years to mature. Ironically the local charlatan would critique old books and print media as "pressed trees" - all the while racking up log-ferrying 30-wheelers :)
Dogecoin (DOGE) Price Goes Green as Elon Musk's Xpayments Nears Launch
https://u.today/dogecoin-doge-price-goes-green-as-elon-musks-xpayments-nears-launch
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SEC approves Bitcoin ETF's - soon you might be able to buy btc at the local forex bureau
Why Satoshi Nakamoto is smiling at BlackRock’s embrace of Bitcoin
https://fortune.com/crypto/2024/01/20/why-satoshi-nakamoto-is-smiling-at-blackrocks-embrace-of-bitcoin/
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Meantime German autos are thrushing last kicks as BYD and Tesla eat their lunch. My own contention for years has been Tesla will eat Germany's lunch - while China BYD, Xpeng, NIO eat Japan's lunch. This is largely the case - except China models seem to permeate Europe not just cheap third world.
Kenya and Africa watch out - Toyota, Nissan, Chevrolet, etc - GASOLINE DINOSAURS - will be kicked as mostly China EVs take over.
German auto suppliers struggle as Chinese EV makers like Tesla-beating BYD rise: ‘Who is the winner and who is the loser is changing’
https://fortune.com/2024/01/21/tesla-beating-byd-chinese-ev-makers-german-auto-suppliers/
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SpaceX angling for internet business woe unto the slaggards
Starlink Maritime resellers offering 2 months free 5 TB service
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starlin-maritime-free-5-tb-offer/
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Elon Musk promised Tesla’s very own ‘ChatGPT moment’ with full self-drive technology—now owners may be weeks away from finding out if he can finally deliver
https://fortune.com/2024/01/23/elon-musk-tesla-fsdbeta-v12-chatgpt-moment-ai/
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Elon Musk promised Tesla’s very own ‘ChatGPT moment’ with full self-drive technology—now owners may be weeks away from finding out if he can finally deliver
https://fortune.com/2024/01/23/elon-musk-tesla-fsdbeta-v12-chatgpt-moment-ai/
Of course Tesla Autopilot "ChatGPT moment" is nonsense. On this FSD Musk really sells air. Computer vision (CV) has empirically not hit milestone akin to Natural Language Processing (NLP).
NLP hit big milestone when transformers appeared in 2017. Open AI GPT, Google BERT, Facebook Llama, Baidu ERNIE - all these large language models (LLMs) were enabled by the discovery of transformers a few years ago. Speech and language tech leapfrogged.
But then you have Vision Transformers (ViT) - which significantly improved RNNs for video processing. But not enough for a leapfrog.
There are 2 paths in self-driving research now -
1. Google Waymo uses LiDAR plus cameras - which is great but costly hardware. LiDAR is able to beat bad weather like mist or snow - which even 4k cameras cannot. But LiDAR is expensive and cannot scale - cause you have LiDAR installed on each car - so selling to auto market won't cut it.
Additionally Waymo uses HD Maps - which of course are software - scalable - and Google of course has hitech maps of every corner on the globe. The con of maps is you have to train the CV models on every locality - which makes HD Maps sort of unscalable or hard-coded.
So unscalable LiDAR plus semi-scalable HD Maps - Waymo operates real robotaxis only in Phoenix-Arizona, SF Bay Area and I think Albuquerque-New Mexico. But they have very few accidents.. which is much better than Tesla.
2. Tesla uses only cameras - which are way cheaper than LiDAR - plus they don't use HD Maps. In short Autopilot is pure computer vision - which is very scalable - just cameras and software which is pushable over-the-air. They have deep neural networks which train continuously from every Tesla car on the roads.
Autopilot is perfectly scalable pure software - BUT without the benefit of LiDAR and HD Maps. Tesla cars crash ovyo ovyo in misty or such unforeseeable traffic happenings.
Tesla "FSD Beta v14" - is basically Level 2 autonomy - which is just glide smoothly on freeway - but bonk furiously at every junction or snow or town for driver to take over. If there is fallen tree on the road... or broken down truck - driver must take over or the car parks on roadside 😀😂
Basically Musk promise of "ChatGPT moment" is hot air. Nothing big has happened in computer vision to leapfrog like NLP as far as I know.
Yeah - self-driving "ChatGPT moment" is way off. And will only come when RESEARCHERS come up with a transformer equivalent for computer vision.
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Tesla Autopilot is Level 2 autonomy but cheap. Google Waymo is Level 4 I think... but unscalable and costly.
In short you cannot draw analogy from ChatGPT and other LLMs - which are pure software running on clouds. It will equally take a while for ChatGPT to be available off-the-shelf on ear buds - cause you need the mega-processing power of cloud.
Google AI crew are scratching their heads to release MobileNetV4 with Bard or ChatGPT power. Ngumu - MobileNet is optimized (or "quantized") for handsets which have no GCP or Azure power. ChatGPT runs on 800 petaflops 👀👀 - impossible on mobile.
Maybe Musk has a bridge to sell.
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This thread was very short-sighted.. you really do the real George Soros a disfavor :)
Jewish oligarchs are real. Dirty Zionist pigs but solid thrifters.
Grok is having ChatGPT and Bard for breakfast, lunch & dinner. No contest. It comes down to access to data:
X as global town-hall is more real-time
Bard has mountains of search data and obviously 🙂 Gmail conversations
ChatGPT has Bing search but a mere subset of Google data
The question is who has the BEST DATA. Grok wins hands down
xAI is worth $20B wants to raise $6B new capital. So far raised only $135m
OpenAI is worth $86B wants to raise $8B. So far raised $13B from Microsoft
Elon Musk’s AI start-up seeks to raise $6bn from investors to challenge OpenAI
Jan 26, 2024
https://www.ft.com/content/28983bdc-2a38-4103-beae-08d9542ab69d
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I couldn't find information about Grok having economic potential. However, ChatGPT and similar AI models have vast potential for economic impact. They can revolutionize industries like customer service, data analysis, and content creation. For more information, you might want to try searching online, as I didn't find specific data on Grok.
https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/mckinsey-digital/our-insights/the-economic-potential-of-generative-ai-the-next-productivity-frontier
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If RV Punda the local charlatan had a working braincell, he'd have retained his AI startup for a few years as AI peaks. At least sell out abit later like OpenAI. Look at the meteoric rise of Nvidia into Trillion-dollar club of five: Microsoft, Apple, Alphabet, Amazon, Nvidia.
Meta and Berkshire Hathaway are within striking distance:- Meta has some skin in the game with FB, IG, WhatsApp data - and their AI team has Torch, PyTorch, AngularJS, etc - notable AI platforms. And of course Llama LLM which is serious ChatGTP and Bard rival.
Berkshire Hathaway has some significant stake in BYD... which is running circles around Tesla in China, APAC and Europe. And soon BYD will take over Africa and Global South. Because they have cracked battery tech and are vertically integrated with a chokehold on global battery supply chain.. which enable them to clobber Tesla on price.
Yeah - Berkshire is near Trillion-dollar club cause stake in BYD, Apple.
But how come Tesla is worth 7- or 10X as much as BYD?
Well, BYD may be able to mint cheap EVs by owning the battery-auto supply chain. But Tesla has Energy game too - with mega-packs feeding the grid in California, Texas, Australia, etc - which feed the Tesla superchargers for their EVs and even Ford or Uber EVs - complete with home- installable "power-walls" or solar panels. Tesla with EVs, superchargers, grid-supplying megapacks and the panels - is in fact a "smart grid" or IoT ecosystem.
Hold on. Musk has Twitter/X data and xAI with just Grok LLM for now. Tesla is also working on Optimus - a humanoid robot. It will improve rather quickly with vision capabilities from Autopilot and language capabilities from xAI.
Hold on. SpaceX Starlink has global constellation of LEO satellites. Which connects all that stuff globally.
Hold on. Neuralink just released "Telepathy" brain-chip. The objective is a pluggable earbud that can connect humans, swines, gadgets, cars, robots, homes, etc to the SkyNet grid.
Did I mention the Boring Company? A "Road OS" tunnel network under the city.
So the kicker is that "Tesla Mobile" - the near-future Musk has been selling of Level 5 cars on Uber-esque network - is buoyed by the smart IoT ecosystem - a complete circle that noone else can muster without big multi-company partnerships.
This justifies the Tesla 5- or 10X vs Toyota or VW or BYD valuation. And the Regular RV Pundit or Georgesoros cannot see beyond their nose. So they insist that Tesla is "waayyy overlued". Do you really think the market is that stupid?
Tesla seems to be struggling with Autopilot or get outpriced by BYD. But personally I foresee it hitting 1, 2- 3Trillion-dollar club. If it doesn't go private soon.
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Grok is in alpha release and only available to X premium subscribers. Premium is only a dollar you can get on there and see for yourself.
And why do you need analysis on Grok. It is the same as GPT, Bard or other LLMs. Same business model.
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Here https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=12443.60 - Musk is building SkyNet the dystopian "Singularity" in scifi.
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His 56bil package was thrown out by the judge.
Like Trump am sure he will appeal all the way to Supremacy
Does this mean he loses his ultra wealth?
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His 56bil package was thrown out by the judge.
Like Trump am sure he will appeal all the way to Supremacy
Does this mean he loses his ultra wealth?
Dots & crosses. Musk is major shareholder of Tesla, SpaceX etc - it's robbing the right hand with the left.
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Georgesoros Musk has the best performance metric ever: market cap of the company!
Most CEOs are paid to deliver revenues - which of course is suboptimal. Cause you can mint revenues with skeletal margins so zero profits or dismal market share or market cap. Market cap is the ultimate metric to measure performance.
If I am chairman of Vodacom or Safaricom - I will give Tusker dwarf market cap target of $20B and give him all the powers or support he needs - expand abroad, buy startups, launch new stuff, hire foreigners or consultants, increase salaries and the shebang.
All that matters is market cap. The market is smart.
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His 56bil package was thrown out by the judge.
Like Trump am sure he will appeal all the way to Supremacy
Does this mean he loses his ultra wealth?
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The man is a narcisist - "mirror mirror on the wall, who is better than me"?? Every morning.
Investors want return on onvestment, and if all money goes to CEO then what is the point.??
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The man is a narcisist - "mirror mirror on the wall, who is better than me"?? Every morning.
Investors want return on onvestment, and if all money goes to CEO then what is the point.??
Musk EARNED that money. In 2019 Tesla was worth $50B with $20B revenues and zero profit. The target was $200B value, $50B revenue, with a positive margin. He blew all the targets.
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That dimwitted shareholder should be ashamed of himself. What is the suit about if not cheap publicity.
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Country by robot density ie how digitized or automated is the economy.
(https://ifr.org/downloads/press2018/graph_-_Robot_Density_2022_by_country.png)
Clearly —
•China at no 4 outflanks the world considering its massive population. Friendshoring or de-risking by Western companies is nonsense - I don't see any Western "friend" (Vietnam, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Mexico) in the list. (Note Hong Kong, Taiwan are also top 10).
•US barely makes top 10 obviously can't beat China soon.
•Germany still top 3 - debunks "de-industrialization" as false trend; the recession is seasonal hiccup from suicidally sanctioning Russia and China.
•India is nowhere to be found -- nowhere near top 20, and that continues to tell me "India rising" or "Make in India" is far-fetched.
•None of the "Global South" cracks top 20... not even Brazil 😬🤔👀 - (in geoeconomics we don't consider India, Russia, China, Turkey, etc as South but as Emerging Markets).
•Russia is MIA .. this "resource empire" with Saudi continue to rely on oil & gas and have barely divested. Putin, MBS need to work smarter.
•UK, France, Aussies are conspicuously MIA despite constantly throwing their weights around.
https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/global-robotics-race-korea-singapore-and-germany-in-the-lead
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Google is spoiling for war 👀
Google debuts subscription Gemini AI bot, as Microsoft rivalry heats up
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-debuts-subscription-gemini-ai-bot-as-microsoft-rivalry-heats-up-130006991.html
An important point is that Google Bard (now Gemini) is only an LLM or chatbot without vision features. It is also poorly integrated with their search engine.
Unlike Microsoft Bing search engine strong integration with both OpenAI's ChatGPT and DALL-E which makes Bing a wholesome AI experience including visual or image generation.
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Google vs Microsoft...
the former is better for mobile use, and in corollary has more retail audience and consumer products. But in gaming and AI this grip is loosening, peeling away to Microsoft, Meta, AWS. AI developers, for instance, have to contend with the poor architecture of Keras AI platform being haphazardly overlaid on TensorFlow. I often run into the headache of calling Keras via TensorFlow or directly through its own API.
These critcisms are many in Geekdom... StackOverflow, GitHub, Kaggle (this last which Google owns 🙂), etc.
Naturally, I think, Google should soon buy Unity or Unreal... or one of the other popular gaming platforms - as their answer to Microsoft acquisition of Activision Blizzard. Their desperation is nauseating.
Strategically, I see Sundar Pichai as a jarhead drone COO-type ala Tim Cook or Satya Nadella, great at logistics but poor at innovation. This is disappointing because Gates is still power behind the throne , can't say the same for Larry Page, Sergey Brin.
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Google’s and Microsoft’s chatbots are making up Super Bowl stats
https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/11/googles-and-microsofts-chatbots-are-making-up-super-bowl-stats/
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Andrej Karpathy leaves OpenAI. I won't be surprised if he shows up at xAI working on Grok.
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More "ooh tunaonewa" whining... the US has the most permissive, protective policies on Big Tech - compared to the EU, China, Russia, India, Africa or everyone else.
Musk decries US government censorship
17 Feb, 2024 01:13 / Updated 54 minutes ago
The billionaire has claimed to be under “relentless attacks” for allowing free speech on his social media platform
Musk, who heads several other companies, has previously claimed that he’s at “quite significant” risk of being killed. His father, Errol Musk, said in an interview last September that he feared his son could be assassinated by a “shadow government” because of the influence he wields.
https://www.rt.com/news/592575-elon-musk-us-government-censorship/
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Worldcoin soars 140% in a week as wallet app hits 1M daily users
https://cointelegraph.com/news/worldcoin-price-soars-wallet-world-app-openai-sam-altman-sora
Empirically, cryptos will rise organically rather than the Bitcoin rough & tumble, as a quorum of veteran investors and entrepreneurs embrace it.
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His 56bil package was thrown out by the judge.
Like Trump am sure he will appeal all the way to Supremacy
Does this mean he loses his ultra wealth?
@Georgesoros I make the prediction half-awake that Elon Musk will/would win the 56B suit on appeal. Why?
1. "Conflict of interest"
Musk was not on the board when the deal was discussed. He had been stripped by the SEC over some other lunacy. Musk was and remains a legal employee of the company and entitled to negotiated benefits. If the board was incompetent or shortchanged that is not Musk's problem. But were they?
2. Public or "shareholder interest"
This is so objectively overblown by that Delaware court. A shareholder's interest is growth in value of their investment. Tesla value has risen from 50B to at least 500B. Musk compensation is a fraction of the gains - what "interest" is the litigant talking about?
3. Delaware interest
Majority of the vaunted Big Tech and many companies register in Delaware for the legal wiggle room it allows in corporate taxes, JVs, etc. This court decision is chopping the nose to spite the face. I don't need to check to know how many phone calls Delaware AG and politicians have made persuading Tesla and other companies not to bolt the state.
4. I am half as sleepy now - something about irreversible damage. The shareholder should have obtained a stay immediately the 56B deal was done. Musk already spent the cash to buy Twitter. 🙂. Most importantly, Musk already delivered his part of the deal -
[snoring]
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A challenger to Tesla Optimus humanoid robot. Figure AI is backed by Amazon which wants to sustain dominance in robotics. Also by Microsoft and OpenAI.
Figure AI to Raise $675 Million for Human-Like Robots
(https://www.pymnts.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Figure-AI-robotics-funding.jpg?w=457)
https://www.pymnts.com/news/investment-tracker/2024/report-figure-ai-to-raise-675-million-for-human-like-robots/
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A challenger to Tesla Optimus humanoid robot. Figure AI is backed by Amazon which wants to sustain dominance in robotics. Also by Microsoft and OpenAI.
Figure AI to Raise $675 Million for Human-Like Robots
(https://www.pymnts.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Figure-AI-robotics-funding.jpg?w=457)
https://www.pymnts.com/news/investment-tracker/2024/report-figure-ai-to-raise-675-million-for-human-like-robots/
Jeff Bezos and Nvidia join OpenAI and Microsoft in backing a humanoid robot unicorn valued at $2 billion, sources say
https://fortune.com/2024/02/23/jeff-bezos-nvidia-openai-microsoft-robot-unicorn-figureai-funding-round/
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Satoshi Nakamoto is worth $51B
https://news.bitcoin.com/satoshi-nakamotos-growing-fortune-nears-entry-into-worlds-top-25-richest-individuals/
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Nice try Elon, almost does count here.
SpaceX launches giant Starship rocket into space on epic 3rd test flight
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-third-test-flight-launch
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Don Lemon fails to know which side of his bread is butter.
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Nice try Elon, almost does count here.
SpaceX launches giant Starship rocket into space on epic 3rd test flight
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-third-test-flight-launch
Starship is revolutionary, 100X better over present rockets.
After Thursday’s flight, Starship is already the most revolutionary rocket ever built
But even with those caveats, Starship is already the most revolutionary rocket ever built. Because of a relentless focus on costs and cheap building materials, such as stainless steel, SpaceX can likely build and launch a fully expendable version of Starship for about $100 million. Most of that money is in the booster, with its 33 engines. So once Super Heavy becomes reusable, you can probably cut manufacturing costs down to about $30 million per launch.
This means that, within a year or so, SpaceX will have a rocket that costs about $30 million and lifts 100 to 150 metric tons to low-Earth orbit.
Bluntly, this is absurd.
For fun, we could compare that to some existing rockets. NASA's Space Launch System, for example, can lift up to 95 tons to low-Earth orbit. That's nearly as much as Starship. But it costs $2.2 billion per launch, plus additional ground systems fees. So it's almost a factor of 100 times more expensive for less throw weight. Also, the SLS rocket can fly once per year at most.
Then there's the European Space Agency's Vega rocket. Its costs are roughly on par with a Starship that has a reusable first stage. For $37 million, with Vega, you get about 1.5 metric tons to low-Earth orbit. Again, that's a factor of 100 times less payload than Starship.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/03/thursdays-starship-flight-provided-a-glimpse-into-a-future-of-abundant-access-to-space/
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His 56bil package was thrown out by the judge.
Like Trump am sure he will appeal all the way to Supremacy
Does this mean he loses his ultra wealth?
@Georgesoros I make the prediction half-awake that Elon Musk will/would win the 56B suit on appeal. Why?
1. "Conflict of interest"
Musk was not on the board when the deal was discussed. He had been stripped by the SEC over some other lunacy. Musk was and remains a legal employee of the company and entitled to negotiated benefits. If the board was incompetent or shortchanged that is not Musk's problem. But were they?
2. Public or "shareholder interest"
This is so objectively overblown by that Delaware court. A shareholder's interest is growth in value of their investment. Tesla value has risen from 50B to at least 500B. Musk compensation is a fraction of the gains - what "interest" is the litigant talking about?
3. Delaware interest
Majority of the vaunted Big Tech and many companies register in Delaware for the legal wiggle room it allows in corporate taxes, JVs, etc. This court decision is chopping the nose to spite the face. I don't need to check to know how many phone calls Delaware AG and politicians have made persuading Tesla and other companies not to bolt the state.
4. I am half as sleepy now - something about irreversible damage. The shareholder should have obtained a stay immediately the 56B deal was done. Musk already spent the cash to buy Twitter. 🙂. Most importantly, Musk already delivered his part of the deal -
[snoring]
Told you this is economic suicide attempt for Delaware
Tesla investors are flooding judge who threw out Elon Musk’s $56bn pay package with complaints about winning lawyers’ request for $6bn in company stock
“Respectfully, I believe that this judgement is dangerous and misguided, extremely shareholder-hostile and sets a new precedent that will now mark Delaware going forward as being the state with the most business unfriendly environment,” Blake wrote.
Musk has encouraged other businesses to follow his lead and move to reincorporate outside Delaware, the corporate home to almost 70% of Fortune 500 companies.
https://fortune.com/2024/03/13/tesla-investors-flooding-judge-threw-out-elon-musk-56bn-pay-package-complaints-winning-lawyers-demand-6bn-stock/
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Ranking by users not # of billions of parameters
Claude takes the top spot in AI chatbot ranking — finally knocking GPT-4 down to second place
https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/claude-takes-the-top-spot-in-ai-chatbot-ranking-finally-knocking-gpt-4-down-to-second-place
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🙂 It's raining AI jobs
Zuckerberg calling Google employees, asking them to work for Facebook instead https://futurism.com/the-byte/zuckerberg-emailing-google-employees
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Quadriplegic uses Neuralink implant to play video game with his mind
(https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2024/03/26/screenshot-2024-03-26-153027-1711467034969.png?crop=16%3A9&width=775)
https://www.ign.com/articles/first-human-patient-to-receive-a-neuralink-brain-implant-used-it-to-stay-up-all-night-playing-civilization-6
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If RV Punda the local charlatan had a working braincell, he'd have retained his AI startup for a few years as AI peaks. At least sell out abit later like OpenAI. Look at the meteoric rise of Nvidia into Trillion-dollar club of five: Microsoft, Apple, Alphabet, Amazon, Nvidia.
Meta and Berkshire Hathaway are within striking distance:- Meta has some skin in the game with FB, IG, WhatsApp data - and their AI team has Torch, PyTorch, AngularJS, etc - notable AI platforms. And of course Llama LLM which is serious ChatGTP and Bard rival.
Berkshire Hathaway has some significant stake in BYD... which is running circles around Tesla in China, APAC and Europe. And soon BYD will take over Africa and Global South. Because they have cracked battery tech and are vertically integrated with a chokehold on global battery supply chain.. which enable them to clobber Tesla on price.
Yeah - Berkshire is near Trillion-dollar club cause stake in BYD, Apple.
But how come Tesla is worth 7- or 10X as much as BYD?
Well, BYD may be able to mint cheap EVs by owning the battery-auto supply chain. But Tesla has Energy game too - with mega-packs feeding the grid in California, Texas, Australia, etc - which feed the Tesla superchargers for their EVs and even Ford or Uber EVs - complete with home- installable "power-walls" or solar panels. Tesla with EVs, superchargers, grid-supplying megapacks and the panels - is in fact a "smart grid" or IoT ecosystem.
Hold on. Musk has Twitter/X data and xAI with just Grok LLM for now. Tesla is also working on Optimus - a humanoid robot. It will improve rather quickly with vision capabilities from Autopilot and language capabilities from xAI.
Hold on. SpaceX Starlink has global constellation of LEO satellites. Which connects all that stuff globally.
Hold on. Neuralink just released "Telepathy" brain-chip. The objective is a pluggable earbud that can connect humans, swines, gadgets, cars, robots, homes, etc to the SkyNet grid.
Did I mention the Boring Company? A "Road OS" tunnel network under the city.
So the kicker is that "Tesla Mobile" - the near-future Musk has been selling of Level 5 cars on Uber-esque network - is buoyed by the smart IoT ecosystem - a complete circle that noone else can muster without big multi-company partnerships.
This justifies the Tesla 5- or 10X vs Toyota or VW or BYD valuation. And the Regular RV Pundit or Georgesoros cannot see beyond their nose. So they insist that Tesla is "waayyy overlued". Do you really think the market is that stupid?
Tesla seems to be struggling with Autopilot or get outpriced by BYD. But personally I foresee it hitting 1, 2- 3Trillion-dollar club. If it doesn't go private soon.
Tesla is in deeeep trouble - according to Wall Street. Ha!
FREE ADVICE - WHEN TESLA HITS $150 BUY!!! It will course- correct soon after once the mist clears. Cause ecosystem.
You get it right? Starship just hit all the milestones for pre-flight. And will soon skyrocket - and unlock capital and goodwill to escalate Starlink. Which will mean more HD map data for Autopilot,...
When the "Tesla Mobile" network effect kicks in Tesla will be neck and neck with Nvidia and Microsoft. Tesla is in AI, robotics, energy game with everyone - except as unbeatable vertical integration. Awesome synergy and symbiosis. But some analysts think it's behind the curve... 👀🤔
'As negative as we have seen in the last few years': Why a number of Wall Street analysts are souring on Tesla
Filip De Mott Mar 29, 2024, 5:06 PM GMT+3
Tesla's full self-driving could add $40 per share, Bernstein said, but noted that the pricing would be competed away, as Tesla is not alone in pursuing FSD. The company is already behind in robotics, AI, and the robotaxi service.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/tesla-stock-outlook-downgrades-elon-musk-growth-deliveries-price-cuts-2024-3
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I'ma pick up some Tesla stock at $150 - and hold long-term. Currently at $167.
Tesla shares fall after deliveries drop 8.5% from a year ago
KEY POINTS
•Tesla reported first-quarter vehicle deliveries of 386,810, a drop of 8.5% from the same quarter last year.
•According to a mean of 11 estimates compiled by FactSet, analysts were expecting deliveries of around 457,000 for the first three months of the year.
•This was Tesla’s first year-over-year decline in deliveries since 2020, when its operations were disrupted by the global pandemic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/02/tesla-tsla-q1-2024-vehicle-delivery-and-production-numbers.html