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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Stockguru on February 03, 2022, 01:45:46 AM
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This guy is still alive. I thought he had died. As a kid I was mesmerized by cold war. I thought the posibility of WWIII was real. I would ask my dad questions about Nuclear bombs.
I was actually surprised one afternoon to hear the news on the radio that Gorbachev had been placed on Home arrest by the military. The collapse came quickly and furious after that
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Here is documentary that gives into an insight of how Baltic states declaration of independence led to dissolution of USSR. Fascinatiing stuff how hard won Stalin Empire came down crushing. I so believe that any empire that is not kept in power due to self interest will implode. Even CCP one day will implode from within
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Biggest Catastrophy in the 20th Century.
A theorist who lead to collapse of a sovreign country and Warsaw pact.
Glasnost and Perestroika were not well thought out.
Cutting down of Military in Warsaw Pact countries and dalliance with Americans made U.S.S.R. weaker by the time he was realising C.I.A had sponsored politicians to overthrow the Communist Government.
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Biggest Catastrophy in the 20th Century.
A theorist who lead to collapse of a sovreign country and Warsaw pact.
Glasnost and Perestroika were not well thought out.
Cutting down of Military in Warsaw Pact countries and dalliance with Americans made U.S.S.R. weaker by the time he was realising C.I.A had sponsored politicians to overthrow the Communist Government.
The communist party was not going to be able to hold USSR together. Without the threat of Stalin type of violence the Baltic States and other states acquired during WWII looking for Independence.
Gorbachev was pragmatic. He knew the society had moved on past the notion of wanting an Empire at all costs. Like he says every soviet wanted peace by all means. They had suffered enough deaths during Stalin Regime
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He was a pragmatist. Realized all the lies couldnt be further maintained, so he chose pragmatism.
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The coup unravels
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He was a pragmatist. Realized all the lies couldnt be further maintained, so he chose pragmatism.
A pragmatist. A very wise guy. You see that every time he was confronted by a crisis and took time to understand the issue he would change his mind. Case in point is when Lithiunai confronted him in wanting Financial Freedow. He knew excatly where they were headed but he allowed it and just gave cover by warning them that USSR still maintained control over them. When they declared sovergeinity he choose not to use violence. He was focused on Reforms and a way out of the total economic chaos that was causing a lot of suffering for his people.
I think due to Moi dictatorship and us being young we missed this whole period. I started learning about it today by chance and it is fascinating.
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You need to know history first , What was U.S.S.R. ?
Biggest Catastrophy in the 20th Century.
A theorist who lead to collapse of a sovreign country and Warsaw pact.
Glasnost and Perestroika were not well thought out.
Cutting down of Military in Warsaw Pact countries and dalliance with Americans made U.S.S.R. weaker by the time he was realising C.I.A had sponsored politicians to overthrow the Communist Government.
The communist party was not going to be able to hold USSR together. Without the threat of Stalin type of violence the Baltic States and other states acquired during WWII looking for Independence.
Gorbachev was pragmatic. He knew the society had moved on past the notion of wanting an Empire at all costs. Like he says every soviet wanted peace by all means. They had suffered enough deaths during Stalin Regime
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Gorbachev himself avknowledges he made a mistake. Youve been fed Western Propaganda to a level you have been brainwashed. Stalin died in 1953 so how did U.S.S.R. hold ?
He was a pragmatist. Realized all the lies couldnt be further maintained, so he chose pragmatism.
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The Economic crisis was as a result of Perestoika , He unknowingly manufacturee the crisis.
The example you give if from the view point of western world
He was a pragmatist. Realized all the lies couldnt be further maintained, so he chose pragmatism.
A pragmatist. A very wise guy. You see that every time he was confronted by a crisis and took time to understand the issue he would change his mind. Case in point is when Lithiunai confronted him in wanting Financial Freedow. He knew excatly where they were headed but he allowed it and just gave cover by warning them that USSR still maintained control over them. When they declared sovergeinity he choose not to use violence. He was focused on Reforms and a way out of the total economic chaos that was causing a lot of suffering for his people.
I think due to Moi dictatorship and us being young we missed this whole period. I started learning about it today by chance and it is fascinating.
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Stalin was brutal lunatic. How the fuck.He killed 30 million russians. Is that true? 30 million is a lot of people
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The Economic crisis was as a result of Perestoika , He unknowingly manufacturee the crisis.
The example you give if from the view point of western world
He was a pragmatist. Realized all the lies couldnt be further maintained, so he chose pragmatism.
A pragmatist. A very wise guy. You see that every time he was confronted by a crisis and took time to understand the issue he would change his mind. Case in point is when Lithiunai confronted him in wanting Financial Freedow. He knew excatly where they were headed but he allowed it and just gave cover by warning them that USSR still maintained control over them. When they declared sovergeinity he choose not to use violence. He was focused on Reforms and a way out of the total economic chaos that was causing a lot of suffering for his people.
I think due to Moi dictatorship and us being young we missed this whole period. I started learning about it today by chance and it is fascinating.
get out here and go worship communism far away. How was Prestorkia responsible for system that had already collapsed. Wasn't MG trying to save it from total collapse
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Will not engage you further continue watching American made Documentaries. You started today learning the fall of U.S.S.R. Do mpre research and come back.
The Economic crisis was as a result of Perestoika , He unknowingly manufacturee the crisis.
The example you give if from the view point of western world
He was a pragmatist. Realized all the lies couldnt be further maintained, so he chose pragmatism.
A pragmatist. A very wise guy. You see that every time he was confronted by a crisis and took time to understand the issue he would change his mind. Case in point is when Lithiunai confronted him in wanting Financial Freedow. He knew excatly where they were headed but he allowed it and just gave cover by warning them that USSR still maintained control over them. When they declared sovergeinity he choose not to use violence. He was focused on Reforms and a way out of the total economic chaos that was causing a lot of suffering for his people.
I think due to Moi dictatorship and us being young we missed this whole period. I started learning about it today by chance and it is fascinating.
get out here and go worship communism far away. How was Prestorkia responsible for system that had already collapsed. Wasn't MG trying to save it from total collapse
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The Eastern Block was dead broke by end 1990's. There was no other way out, but to open up. Many forget countries like Poland and Hungary had already started political reforms even before Gorbachev appeared in the scene. The people in these countries would have revolted had political reforms not been pushed through.
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The Eastern Block was dead broke by end 1990's. There was no other way out, but to open up. Many forget countries like Poland and Hungary had already started political reforms even before Gorbachev appeared in the scene. The people in these countries would have revolted had political reforms not been pushed through.
Sometimes you wonder if nowayah is just a contrarian for the sake of it. By the time Gorbachev appeared the economy had collapsed. The currency was not worthy a dime. Years of communist inefficiency had broken the whole system. Revolts were everywhere. Workers got paid in coupons that you could exchange for food. Stalin expansion of ussr empire after wwiii created a monster that was hard govern. It was like moi in the 90s. Everyone had already figured out that his government was no good and will never reform.
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Ussr is very funny..back in the day kemrlin used to ask unpopular leaders to claim they sick to leave power. Emissaries would be sent eg in Hungary the deregulation from kermlin. Just told the pm after Stalin death that it has been decided he is sick and so he knew what that meant
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Gorbachev came into power in 1985 U.S.S.R. fell in late 90s early 90s. The economy you say was dead broke is because of thw reforms Gorbachev Introduced. When did the political reforms in Humgary and Poland happen ?
The Eastern Block was dead broke by end 1990's. There was no other way out, but to open up. Many forget countries like Poland and Hungary had already started political reforms even before Gorbachev appeared in the scene. The people in these countries would have revolted had political reforms not been pushed through.
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Read the man's biography first before commenting. He says very clearly the U.S.S.R was on its knees and could not keep up with the US in the arms race and also could not keep on subsidising its satellite nations and Eastern Block allies.
In 1983 East Germany was so broke that West Germany gave it a credit of over 1B DM. The two sister countries were bitter enemies, but the East had to swallow the bitter pill and beg for a credit. Things were thick.
Gorbachev came into power in 1985 U.S.S.R. fell in late 90s early 90s. The economy you say was dead broke is because of thw reforms Gorbachev Introduced. When did the political reforms in Humgary and Poland happen ?
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Read the man's biography first before commenting. He says very clearly the U.S.S.R was on its knees and could not keep up with the US in the arms race and also could not keep on subsidising its satellite nations and Eastern Block allies.
In 1983 East Germany was so broke that West Germany gave it a credit of over 1B DM. The two sister countries were bitter enemies, but the East had to swallow the bitter pill and beg for a credit. Things were thick.
Gorbachev came into power in 1985 U.S.S.R. fell in late 90s early 90s. The economy you say was dead broke is because of thw reforms Gorbachev Introduced. When did the political reforms in Humgary and Poland happen ?
This guy just circlejerks arguments infitum..it is hard to debate or converse with him
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So Gorbachev Biography can be used as a reference as he is the main reason USSR disintergrated. About East Germany you put it simply they were broke, you dont state how . You dont talk of Credit Boycot and cutdown Soviet subsidies .
Read the man's biography first before commenting. He says very clearly the U.S.S.R was on its knees and could not keep up with the US in the arms race and also could not keep on subsidising its satellite nations and Eastern Block allies.
In 1983 East Germany was so broke that West Germany gave it a credit of over 1B DM. The two sister countries were bitter enemies, but the East had to swallow the bitter pill and beg for a credit. Things were thick.
Gorbachev came into power in 1985 U.S.S.R. fell in late 90s early 90s. The economy you say was dead broke is because of thw reforms Gorbachev Introduced. When did the political reforms in Humgary and Poland happen ?
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How can I debate with people who have been brainwashed by Western Media.
People who call Gorbachev a Statesman . It will be a waste of time.
Read the man's biography first before commenting. He says very clearly the U.S.S.R was on its knees and could not keep up with the US in the arms race and also could not keep on subsidising its satellite nations and Eastern Block allies.
In 1983 East Germany was so broke that West Germany gave it a credit of over 1B DM. The two sister countries were bitter enemies, but the East had to swallow the bitter pill and beg for a credit. Things were thick.
Gorbachev came into power in 1985 U.S.S.R. fell in late 90s early 90s. The economy you say was dead broke is because of thw reforms Gorbachev Introduced. When did the political reforms in Humgary and Poland happen ?
This guy just circlejerks arguments infitum..it is hard to debate or converse with him
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Who is your favorite Russian leader? You see instead of being argumentative just give us who you think was statement in Russia and your reasons of saying Gorbachev was a traitor.
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What a question.
Russia has only had 3 leaders. Yelsin Putin and Medvedev.
Now to directly answer your question. Its definetly Putin.I hold the same sentiments as Putin when it comes to Gorbachev.
Who is your favorite Russian leader? You see instead of being argumentative just give us who you think was statement in Russia and your reasons of saying Gorbachev was a traitor.
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Ussr..we in global south refer to ussr..as Russia
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You mean U.S.S.R. ? Just like Putin I think it was mistake for the Bolsheviks creating Soviet Republics feom what was the Russian Empire after thw revolution .I admired Trotsky very much.
Ussr..we in global south refer to ussr..as Russia
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Ussr..we in global south refer to ussr..as Russia
USSR is not Russia, rather Russia made the most powerful brother in the USSR system.
Putin wants that, even when the populace see no benefit.
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Ussr..we in global south refer to ussr..as Russia
USSR is not Russia, rather Russia made the most powerful brother in the USSR system.
Putin wants that, even when the populace see no benefit.
I agree...but in the context of us africans referring to Russia as ussr..
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U.S.S.R. was formed from Russian Empire. Hence the reason has been know as Russia. In Africa is was known as Urusi due to Arabic language Influence.
Putin is wants to keep NATO far away from its borders. NATO was formed as a detterence to U.S.S.R.
After fall of U.S.S.R. NATO continued expanding Eastwards even after NATO and U.S. promised that wouldnt happen.
Now NATO borders Russia through Balitic states and now wants to absord Ukraine.
Russia is a Federation made of several Republics once NATO knocks the door of Russia . The Republics will want to breakaway.
Putin is right in trying to avert this and maintain Russian Sovereignity.
Ussr..we in global south refer to ussr..as Russia
USSR is not Russia, rather Russia made the most powerful brother in the USSR system.
Putin wants that, even when the populace see no benefit.
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Blaming one man for the disintragation of the USSR is a big joke.
When one is broke, how can one discribe it?
Tell me one thing, why was it necessary for the East Block countries to block their people from traveling to the west? The Western Europeans could move to and from Eastern Europe and not the other wa round.
So Gorbachev Biography can be used as a reference as he is the main reason USSR disintergrated. About East Germany you put it simply they were broke, you dont state how . You dont talk of Credit Boycot and cutdown Soviet subsidies .
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Blaming one man for the disintragation of the USSR is a big joke.
When one is broke, how can one discribe it?
Tell me one thing, why was it necessary for the East Block countries to block their people from traveling to the west? The Western Europeans could move to and from Eastern Europe and not the other wa round.
So Gorbachev Biography can be used as a reference as he is the main reason USSR disintergrated. About East Germany you put it simply they were broke, you dont state how . You dont talk of Credit Boycot and cutdown Soviet subsidies .
East bloc did not want their people to be contaminated with Western ideas. They forgot that The more you tell somone not to have it, the more they want it.
The lies finally caught with East bloc and like dominoes they fell.
Putin has gone to the same mentality again. Media is state run. Internet is blocked for any negative talk of Putin. He is trying to control what Russians hear.
Perestroika opened Russia, he is closing Ruaaia.
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Gorbachev is super smart. Didn't realize that he was top student in Moscow University. A decent man
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How can I debate with people who have been brainwashed by Western Media.
People who call Gorbachev a Statesman . It will be a waste of time.
Read the man's biography first before commenting. He says very clearly the U.S.S.R was on its knees and could not keep up with the US in the arms race and also could not keep on subsidising its satellite nations and Eastern Block allies.
In 1983 East Germany was so broke that West Germany gave it a credit of over 1B DM. The two sister countries were bitter enemies, but the East had to swallow the bitter pill and beg for a credit. Things were thick.
Gorbachev came into power in 1985 U.S.S.R. fell in late 90s early 90s. The economy you say was dead broke is because of thw reforms Gorbachev Introduced. When did the political reforms in Humgary and Poland happen ?
This guy just circlejerks arguments infitum..it is hard to debate or converse with him
Noway you have to know that western propaganda is and has always been very lethal. This fuckers convinced Africans to sell their own kin during slavery and when they couldn't compete amongst themselves they banned the trade and replaced it with other forms of the same but packaged to be nicer looking....colonization, religion and of course the modern day hold they have on other peoples of the world through trade. What I always find laughable and sad at the same time is when a negro starts parroting the so called values of the same idiots who literally raped our people and our lands. How do you reconcile for example the fake values of democracy and human rights in one place while turning a blind eye to the same when it favors you or is being done by your allies...a few cases in point shouting at the top of your lungs about genocide in China but ignore atrocities in say Yemen, Syria and Palestine? Call Putin , Xi etc tyrants but embrace the monarchies of the middle east some of whom will ask for your body be chopped up with a bone saw for daring to criticize them or closer at home find clever ways of ensuring other people cant vote through clever laws, and if they do then lump them together with so many white folks in a district that way their vote wont make a difference through gerrymandering? When Maxim Rudim invented the machine gun and saw what it could do he was very quick to suggest that it should never be used on fellow white folks. Propaganda has been used throughout western history especially when competition threatened to take away money and influence . When airbus started producing passenger jets to compete with Boeing in the 70s the planes were rumored to cause some funny ailment ..will look for that material when I get a chance. Anyone who has read enough about say the CIA knows the dirty tricks they used from subverting elections in Italy to overthowing democratically elected governments in Iran to Guatemala. During the cold war they had crazy stuff some of which was even too much for some presidents like Lyndon Johnson who always believed Castro got JFK killed because of the crazy ways Kennedy had tried to either overthrow him( Bay of Pigs invasion) to crazy ideas of exploding cigars or putting explosives on a sea shell in a beach Castro used to go to...imagine a sea shell like Castro would have picked just that specific one. History teaches us that it is mostly written by the victors so I wish folks would educate themselves more on what the same victors left out deliberately. This blindly believing the bull spread by some western sources is very dangerous. Don't be surprised when some folks start bringing down Chinese built or financed infrastructure in the near future back in our countries due to such.