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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on November 01, 2021, 12:50:42 AM
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I predict a month or so before the fall of Ethiopia
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With oromo https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/tigrayan-forces-say-they-have-seized-another-town-ethiopias-amhara-region-2021-10-31/
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This is bad for Abiy he is losing. I wonder how much of control he has of the army and Addis.
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He is done..I remember telling you it would end badly.Now Nobel laureate is calling for civilians to fight ...last days of his regime.Ethiopia army has nearly a million poorly trained soldiers or militias
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Unless the IC broker some kind of power sharing agreement, he is done. The speed with which his forces have collapsed is surprising. He has no fighting troops that is clear, Ethiopian army is a shell of its self. Tigray are still the most cohesive and capable fighters in Ethiopia. He has to sue for peace now and hope the US compel the TDF to halt their advance.
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They called him out. Uhunye was here. Strange how all these things are related. Only china man can save him. Who will pay the loans?
Unless the IC broker some kind of power sharing agreement, he is done. The speed with which his forces have collapsed is surprising. He has no fighting troops that is clear, Ethiopian army is a shell of its self. Tigray are still the most cohesive and capable fighters in Ethiopia. He has to sue for peace now and hope the US compel the TDF to halt their advance.
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Its not a good thing for thewhole region. Ethiopia needs to he stable.
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Will distablise Eritrea, Sudan and Somalia. Tigrayans can only fight. Ruling is not their thing. Reminds me of Pundit and his kinsmen. :D
Its not a good thing for thewhole region. Ethiopia needs to he stable.
So what do you see them doing if the capture Addis? Will they impose dictatorship or will they try to bring in all parties on board and move to federation
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Good military analysis.
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He is asking civilians to defend adis Ababa using guns against rocket
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Will distablise Eritrea, Sudan and Somalia. Tigrayans can only fight. Ruling is not their thing. Reminds me of Pundit and his kinsmen. :D
Its not a good thing for thewhole region. Ethiopia needs to he stable.
So what do you see them doing if the capture Addis? Will they impose dictatorship or will they try to bring in all parties on board and move to federation
Meles zenawi grew Ethiopian economy
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Ethiopia gov declares state of emergency as rebels take more territory
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/africa/ethiopia-declares-state-of-emergency-3605596
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just negotiate a damn thing instead of destruction
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This actually saddens me, every time an African country makes a step forward, some catastrophe throws it back five steps. It’s the evils of tribalism, clannism, corruption, mediocrity.
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This actually saddens me, every time an African country makes a step forward, some catastrophe throws it back five steps. It’s the evils of tribalism, clannism, corruption, mediocrity.
Yeah it is sad. Hopefully this can end quickly and all parties find a way to work together to fix whatever led to this war. It such a set back for Ethiopia. As Vooke says that any country producing refugees is a failed one. Ethiopia has been producing refugees for ages.
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just negotiate a damn thing instead of destruction
Yeah Abiy should negotiate and end this. I do not think the rebels will give up until the take power. He should just negotiate his way out of power while keep protections in place for his supporters.
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This actually saddens me, every time an African country makes a step forward, some catastrophe throws it back five steps. It’s the evils of tribalism, clannism, corruption, mediocrity.
Totally agree. Tribes and corruption/poverty , I believe are the main culprits in Ethiopian war. Tigrinya and ethnic somalis vs majority Oromos and similar tribes!
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My buddy and I were planning to visit Addis after Covid. He was going to show me around, Ethiopians can be closed in and nativist but also very friendly. I think their women are the most beautiful in Africa though they lag in education, I find illiteracy super unsexy doesn’t matter what the person looks like.
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And then the so called "Presidente" tells people to pick up arms and fight? WTF of a presidente is that? He bet big on killing so called enemies and now has lost - OWN it. Whoever who gave this moron a Nobel prize should take it back. We need development not wars.
Also, this might create a vacuum for a surging Shababs creating an EA problem for another 5yrs.
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Time to talk was last year. It's time for Nobel Laurate to plan a orderly exit from power. He caused it by refusing to hold election on the pretext of COVID-19. When Tigrays decided hold election as scheduled - he declared war.
The stupid Abiy War almost at most inopportune time of covid economic shocks - and a war that was really stupid in many ways - Tigrays having been kicked out of power - had retreated to their regions and were happy to do their own stuff - why FOLLOW and KILL THEM in their little corner? They had no numbers to influence politics.
Ethiopia future is more federalism - the country is too unwieldly to be managed from Adis Ababa - give each of the regions even greater autonomy - and leave Ethiopia federal gov as just symbol of national unity -otherwise it will be long civil war - and instability as secretarian tribal secession wars take over.
Abiy like South Sudan Salva Kiir are two morons who have dragged their country down. He got Nobel for making peace with Eritrea - little did people realize he was planning a joint Eritrea and Ethiopia massacre of the Tigrayans.
Kenya should learn from Ethiopia. As we approach 2022 - we similarly could melt into a civil war if Uhuru plays games with Ruto. Nonsense like I have the army so I can do as please do not work all the time - Ethiopia has 1 million armed forces - more tanks than kenya can imagine - they are being taken prisoners of war in their thousands daily.
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He’s done
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Time to talk was last year. It's time for Nobel Laurate to plan a orderly exit from power. He caused it by refusing to hold election on the pretext of COVID-19. When Tigrays decided hold election as scheduled - he declared war.
The stupid Abiy War almost at most inopportune time of covid economic shocks - and a war that was really stupid in many ways - Tigrays having been kicked out of power - had retreated to their regions and were happy to do their own stuff - why FOLLOW and KILL THEM in their little corner? They had no numbers to influence politics.
Ethiopia future is more federalism - the country is too unwieldly to be managed from Adis Ababa - give each of the regions even greater autonomy - and leave Ethiopia federal gov as just symbol of national unity -otherwise it will be long civil war - and instability as secretarian tribal secession wars take over.
Abiy like South Sudan Salva Kiir are two morons who have dragged their country down. He got Nobel for making peace with Eritrea - little did people realize he was planning a joint Eritrea and Ethiopia massacre of the Tigrayans.
Kenya should learn from Ethiopia. As we approach 2022 - we similarly could melt into a civil war if Uhuru plays games with Ruto. Nonsense like I have the army so I can do as please do not work all the time - Ethiopia has 1 million armed forces - more tanks than kenya can imagine - they are being taken prisoners of war in their thousands daily.
He is a an Amhara imperialist, those guys believe in centrally ruled Amhara dominated state subjugating other ethnic groups. Oromos have the biggest grievance. A loose federation is the best solution. For all African states but egos and the temptation to covet other peoples resources overwhelms peoples' judgement.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ending-ethiopias-trade-status-us-weighs-sanctions-genocide/story?id=80928248
Ethiopians need jobs and this makes things worse. I hope USA is using this as a tactic.
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Time to talk was last year. It's time for Nobel Laurate to plan a orderly exit from power. He caused it by refusing to hold election on the pretext of COVID-19. When Tigrays decided hold election as scheduled - he declared war.
The stupid Abiy War almost at most inopportune time of covid economic shocks - and a war that was really stupid in many ways - Tigrays having been kicked out of power - had retreated to their regions and were happy to do their own stuff - why FOLLOW and KILL THEM in their little corner? They had no numbers to influence politics.
Ethiopia future is more federalism - the country is too unwieldly to be managed from Adis Ababa - give each of the regions even greater autonomy - and leave Ethiopia federal gov as just symbol of national unity -otherwise it will be long civil war - and instability as secretarian tribal secession wars take over.
Abiy like South Sudan Salva Kiir are two morons who have dragged their country down. He got Nobel for making peace with Eritrea - little did people realize he was planning a joint Eritrea and Ethiopia massacre of the Tigrayans.
Kenya should learn from Ethiopia. As we approach 2022 - we similarly could melt into a civil war if Uhuru plays games with Ruto. Nonsense like I have the army so I can do as please do not work all the time - Ethiopia has 1 million armed forces - more tanks than kenya can imagine - they are being taken prisoners of war in their thousands daily.
He is a an Amhara imperialist, those guys believe in centrally ruled Amhara dominated state subjugating other ethnic groups. Oromos have the biggest grievance. A loose federation is the best solution. For all African states but egos and the temptation to covet other peoples resources overwhelms peoples' judgement.
Abiy is not Amharic. He is Oromo.
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Abiy seems to have lost control of the army, or portions of it. They are not engaging; they either surrender or just leave their posts - echos of Afghans after US withdrawal. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy is overthrown in a coup.
Per Foregn Policy article I read. Tigrayans still have the army parked with their generals. I know Abiy first order was to fire and forcibly retire these generals. I would think that these generals would still have influence in the army. As for now either the army is incompetent or the have decided not fight. It could be both they are incompetent and have decided not fight to protect Abiy.
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Abiy seems to have lost control of the army, or portions of it. They are not engaging; they either surrender or just leave their posts - echos of Afghans after US withdrawal. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy is overthrown in a coup.
He is AFRICA'S embarrassment. He is being propped by China and Russia while the ground around him sinks
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Abiy seems to have lost control of the army, or portions of it. They are not engaging; they either surrender or just leave their posts - echos of Afghans after US withdrawal. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy is overthrown in a coup.
He is AFRICA'S embarrassment. He is being propped by China and Russia while the ground around him sinks
He Miscalculated. He is like kibaki after in regenede on Mou. He was put in power to offer a transition but decided he wanted to consolidate power for himself. Now he about to lose it and in the process a lot of people will get hurt.
The guy is a kalonzo type of politician. Even Kalonzo would have realized that he is front of Tigrayans and just be a watermelon. All Abiy had to do is manage a transition to federalism
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Ethiopia is a total embarrassment to Afticans,I even didn't want to talk about it, years of consistent development wiped out in a single year. True Abiy miscaculated but TPLF also is to blame everyone is to blame in Ethiopia I just realized their tribalism is worse than Kenya by far,Oromos,Tigrays,Amhara hate each other worse than Luos,Kikuyus and Kalenjin. I don't see any military solution to this war unless a peaceful settlement otherwise Ethiopia will disintegrate to tribal states.
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It is all about the naivete and stupidity of Abiy. Just like you see ufool running around endangering everyone in Kenya.
Kenya has around 30,000 soldiers. I see people joking about anga jeshi. Most likely even Addis has been lying about 1 million army and the TPD generals know it as they are the ones who have been spinning the shitty propaganda.
It makes no sense that Kenya with 30K has a military spending of a $1 billion while Ethiopia spends $0.5 billion.
The pudding is rotten despite its rosy colours. Even China has no say as industrial towns of Dessie Kombucha fall where we expect they have serious investments.
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We spoke about these things a year a go..senseless war by Abiy and Ethiopia to teach Tigrayan minority lesson..now their Waterloo.I could not imagine Ethiopia would collapse this soon.Oromo supporting Tigrayan is new curve ball.Abiy is Amhara mixed with oromo https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=9236.0
I didn't think Tigrayans are such good fighters. I thought they would be disorganized like oromos.
You were right on this from the get go.
Like you said there was no need for Ethiopia to concentrate on the past. The future is what matters and historical injustices should just be acknowledged and left at that
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Amahara are tribal supremacists. They are the kind of Ethiopians you encounter that want nothing to do with dark africans or other africans. Did Haile sailasela come from this ethnic group? Years of dictatorship have made tribalism to be so entrenched in eithiopia. The only way out is Federalism. Give these groups autonomy and negotiate some some of the issues. What I understand is trigrayans control the economy and land. They made sure that during their rule every business they got a cut of about 20% and they took land from Amahara and everyone else they could. It is a mess over there
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yes having ruled ethiopia for centuries; they resent anyone else running ethiopia.
Amahara are tribal supremacists. They are the kind of Ethiopians you encounter that want nothing to do with dark africans or other africans. Did Haile sailasela come from this ethnic group? Years of dictatorship have made tribalism to be so entrenched in eithiopia. The only way out is Federalism. Give these groups autonomy and negotiate some some of the issues. What I understand is trigrayans control the economy and land. They made sure that during their rule every business they got a cut of about 20% and they took land from Amahara and everyone else they could. It is a mess over there
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The problem is this time around no entity has the ability to take over Ethiopia,my analysis is TPLF can't mount a fight to take addis alone actually from scrutinising the areas they have taken it appears they are boxed in as they only occupy a narrow corridor if the Ethiopian army is cohesive they can easily cause massive casualties fo the Tigray if the counter attack. Think of it this way dessie and kombolcha would be like occupying eldoret and nakuru highway strip but with all the surrounding land under the government forces. Anywas lets wait and see,unless other groups emerge or army abandons Abiy this will be along drawn out fight.
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When you're fighting with someone - and they choke your neck - it doesnt matter if rest of your body is intact. This why some areas are strategic. For example in Kenya - once you block the main highway (Mombasa-Malaba) - you essentially choke Kenya and the entire region. Without critical supplies coming in including fuel - what will you fight with?
Abbiy is gone. The question is whether Tigrays and others will manage to hold the center - or it will become another somali - a long drawn civil war as each region resort to crude form of federalism.
I think Tigray having run Ethiopia for last 30yrs have the experience to steady the ship, make concession especially with Oromos (who own Adis Ababa) - and that is it - somalis/southern nations do not really matter. As long as Oromo and Amharas are not united...it going to be easy...to manage Ethiopia.
The problem is this time around no entity has the ability to take over Ethiopia,my analysis is TPLF can't mount a fight to take addis alone actually from scrutinising the areas they have taken it appears they are boxed in as they only occupy a narrow corridor if the Ethiopian army is cohesive they can easily cause massive casualties fo the Tigray if the counter attack. Think of it this way dessie and kombolcha would be like occupying eldoret and nakuru highway strip but with all the surrounding land under the government forces. Anywas lets wait and see,unless other groups emerge or army abandons Abiy this will be along drawn out fight.
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7 more rebels join force...Nobel Laureate should look for asylum
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There is so much propaganda going on in this war. A mix of local politics coupled with geopolitics definitely.
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USA has told non essentials to leave.
This guy has an EGO like Trump and is willing to destroy everything.
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Be careful of western sponsored propaganda. TPLF is a western stooge and US and Europe want them back. If Ethiopia was going down that easily the rebels would have been in addis already what the west is trying to do is sponsoring panic and fear so that government can collapse. Uhuru gatheca is also being used to weaken Ethiopia but lets see how it goes.
My own analysis as a military historian and what I have gathered is that the TPLF rebels have suffered huge loses in around Wollo areas in attempt to march to addis . OLF Is trying to attack addis As it in oromia but they lack the know how. What to note is Abiy though aloof retains majority of support. Again Idont see TPLF able to capture addis easily this is not the 90s.
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The fall of Gaddaffi, Mugabe, Compaore, Bashir, Conde are proof that most African states are hollow fragile states mainly thriving on fear and PR. The blame on foreign interference is usually laughable but it is a good pro govt and even mzungu tactic to show that Africans cannot do anything by themselves.
Even peasant organisation of Mau Mau was said to be 'communist'. School kids are said to be not the ones protesting ati it is suppliers , mara teachers.
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When Abbiy attacked civilians and stopped UN from supplying food to starving Tigrayans - he simply lost the moral ground - and US/EU had no option except kick him out.
The next destination for Abbiy is ICC to answer for Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes.
His laughable attempt to use civilian as human shield is going to unravel on day one when mortar rockets are launched. Civilians will leave their rocks and run back to their house.
Remember already 9 rebel alliances have agreed in Washington DC to attack Adis Gov from all angles. Abbiy is gone. He is probably negotiating for a safe haven.
I saw even Ethiopia Luos are part of the rebel attack Abbiy now.
Be careful of western sponsored propaganda. TPLF is a western stooge and US and Europe want them back. If Ethiopia was going down that easily the rebels would have been in addis already what the west is trying to do is sponsoring panic and fear so that government can collapse. Uhuru gatheca is also being used to weaken Ethiopia but lets see how it goes.
My own analysis as a military historian and what I have gathered is that the TPLF rebels have suffered huge loses in around Wollo areas in attempt to march to addis . OLF Is trying to attack addis As it in oromia but they lack the know how. What to note is Abiy though aloof retains majority of support. Again Idont see TPLF able to capture addis easily this is not the 90s.
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Safaricom swallows the political risk. Abiy fool ought to be hanged for killing the Abyssinian dream.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/corporate/companies/safaricom-evacuates-staff-ethiopia-amid-unrest-3612454
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Rv Pundit
Do you have any link to the new of more rebels join TPLF? so what happens once Abiy falls? Does TPLF have enough popular support to hold the nation together? I understand there are ongoing diplomatic negotiations I wonder if they will work.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-59175404
Rv Pundit
Do you have any link to the new of more rebels join TPLF? so what happens once Abiy falls? Does TPLF have enough popular support to hold the nation together? I understand there are ongoing diplomatic negotiations I wonder if they will work.
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Thanks Pundit. Take time to read comment on this tweet by Zambian president after he evacuated his citizens in ETHIOPIA. Seems Ethiopians are arrogant and hard to take advise. I believe the populace hatred of tplf forced abiy to make this strategic blunder to appease them. However, the tone of the comments on that threads points to a very zenophobic, arrogant people. No wonder mediators have failed
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Ethiopian like Somali are impossible to advice. Their arrogance is world class. US long gave up on Abbiy.
Thanks Pundit. Take time to read comment on this tweet by Zambian president after he evacuated his citizens in ETHIOPIA. Seems Ethiopians are arrogant and hard to take advise. I believe the populace hatred of tplf forced abiy to make this strategic blunder to appease them. However, the tone of the comments on that threads points to a very zenophobic, arrogant people. No wonder mediators have failed
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Yeah I am getting that from their online comments. Seems this one is a full civil war till one side wins and imposes dictatorship on the other. I think kenyans are generally level headed. Seems Somalis and Ethiopians are more like our nomadic groups militant. This war is really ugly. I was watching videos last night on what happened in Tigray region and it just sad and evil. Abiy went too far. I am not sure he can be allowed to be in power
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Yes it going to be nasty fight; country may divide into somalia like fiefdoms. We may have Ethiopia, Tigray, Oromia, Ogaden and Gambela countries Yugoslavia style.
Leadership is very important. Let hope kenya next year can negotiate a peaceful transfer of power to Ruto. Raila will take kenya into war....he is reckless.
Yeah I am getting that from their online comments. Seems this one is a full civil war till one side wins and imposes dictatorship on the other. I think kenyans are generally level headed. Seems Somalis and Ethiopians are more like our nomadic groups militant. This war is really ugly. I was watching videos last night on what happened in Tigray region and it just sad and evil. Abiy went too far. I am not sure he can be allowed to be in power
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I wish peace prevail in the end, but I Hope Abby succeed in crushing Tigray and keeping mainstream Ethiopia together.
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Tigray had been crushed; they had been ousted from power; had been kicked out of most areas; they were contend to stay in their little corner; Abbiy miscalculated by trying to literally finish them off; you do not close all the exit and beat a cat.
For now Tigray have upper hand. Abbiy has lost western support. The country is literally broke and on chokehold.
Abiy next destination is the ICC to face war crimes.
I feel for my Amharas friends ; they are very nice people; but their hatred for Tigrays was over the top. Them stopped they from reasoning rationally.
Amharas are so used to dominating Ethiopia - they resent anyone else running it. Oromos see Adis as their grabbed land - just like Maasai.
Amharas resent Meles Zenawi despite him growing economy; They felt that he had given his fellow cousin Tigrays the Eritrea and made Ethiopia landlocked.
I wish peace prevail in the end, but I Hope Abby succeed in crushing Tigray and keeping mainstream Ethiopia together.
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I wish peace prevail in the end, but I Hope Abby succeed in crushing Tigray and keeping mainstream Ethiopia together.
the man is a moron. He wants to be a dictator.
He has started arresting UN workers - what a moron.
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I saw that. He is setting himself up for ICC war crimes and crimes against humanity. The next decision will be for UNSC to order investigation into war crimes and ICC prosecutor will go for him.
He will discover the world is very small when US and western power do not like you.
the man is a moron. He wants to be a dictator.
He has started arresting UN workers - what a moron.
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I wish peace prevail in the end, but I Hope Abby succeed in crushing Tigray and keeping mainstream Ethiopia together.
the man is a moron. He wants to be a dictator.
He has started arresting UN workers - what a moron.
That is not what Ethiopians in diaspora, especially US think. They are almost United in support of Abby and Ethiopian Govt.
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I wish peace prevail in the end, but I Hope Abby succeed in crushing Tigray and keeping mainstream Ethiopia together.
the man is a moron. He wants to be a dictator.
He has started arresting UN workers - what a moron.
That is not what Ethiopians in diaspora, especially US think. They are almost United in support of Abby and Ethiopian Govt.
I wish peace prevail in the end, but I Hope Abby succeed in crushing Tigray and keeping mainstream Ethiopia together.
the man is a moron. He wants to be a dictator.
He has started arresting UN workers - what a moron.
And that Abiys biggest fault. He is a leader and should have understood how complex the situation is.,plus I think the Ethiopia diaspora has a romantized idea of a united nation against the excess of past. They are disconnected from reality on the ground. Abiy role was one to create conditions necessary to transition. He decided he was going to be the transition itself and the populace misled his intention. He has now plunged the country into a civil war during a drought.
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Tigrays are only 5 percent of Ethiopia - while Amharas and Oromos are 30m each - that huge. So it very unlikely you ever met a Tigray. Tigray were privelleged and sat on the rest. The rest of Ethiopian hate them. They hate them for 30yrs of dictatorship. They hate them for letting go of Eritrea and making Ethiopa landlocked. They hate them for stashing billions abroads. They hate them for dominating the army and civil forces.
But they have allowed their hate to screw them...and now the Tigrays are coming back to sit on them again for 30yrs..Tigrays have experience on sitting on the rest. They have found a good excuse...for tiny elite to come to power.
This was like 2002....Kibaki listened carefully to US and Brig Boinnet...he was told to leave the Kalenjin alone...dont go hard on Moi and company..for their excess.....and kenya will avoid a civil war.
But imagine if Kibaki had gone hard on Kalenjin - after 24yrs of power - and war broke up. Kenya could have gone to civil war.
In fact when Kibaki attempted to summon Moi to appear before Goldenburg...Kalenjin leaders told him NO...they will secede from Kenya if anyone was to touch Moi.
At least by 2007/2008 when Kalenjin waged war - their anger and capacity had dissipated...but if Raila and KIbaki had gone hard on Kalenjin in 2003...by 2004 kenya would been gone.
This is also true for Rwanda - Tutsi small elite will sit on Hutus until Hutus behave - and start looking forward.
Ethiopia attempt to look backward is their undoing. History forget it. Move FORWARD.
Now like Tutsi...Tigrays sees their leadership of Ethiopia as matter of life and death for them....Ethiopia gov has attempted to finish them off...they will not let go easily.
It appear only Mandela understood what moving on meant - did his Truth and Recon..and Boers were happy to let go of power.
That is not what Ethiopians in diaspora, especially US think. They are almost United in support of Abby and Ethiopian Govt.
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That True Pundit. Even kenyatta offered leadership after mau mau civil war he asked kikuyus to move forward and avoid shedding blood in another civil war among kikuyus. If he had not done so there was going to be a lot of bloodshed in kikuyuland. Look forward we must or be caught up in the problems of the past we are trying to solve.
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Precisely. Jomo forgive and forget -made Kenya avoid ZIm - because the Delamares were going to forment trouble. They were going to overthrow Jomo kenyatta through the army and install their own puppet . Kenya also agreeing to purchase land or property was good move - even if British had grabbed it.
This Ethiopia miscalculation is their inability to move forward and their attempt to revenge.
That True Pundit. Even kenyatta offered leadership after mau mau civil war he asked kikuyus to move forward and avoid shedding blood in another civil war among kikuyus. If he had not done so there was going to be a lot of bloodshed in kikuyuland. Look forward we must or be caught up in the problems of the past we are trying to solve.
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This video is worth watching. This Ghanian explain Ethiopia crisis like a boss.
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The usual kelele from Pundit. Can you not discuss any topic here without mentioning the name of your demi-god and Raila?
I have not read any where Raila supporters calling for war if their candidate looses the presidential election in 2022. You do it here everyday.
Yes it going to be nasty fight; country may divide into somalia like fiefdoms. We may have Ethiopia, Tigray, Oromia, Ogaden and Gambela countries Yugoslavia style.
Leadership is very important. Let hope kenya next year can negotiate a peaceful transfer of power to Ruto. Raila will take kenya into war....he is reckless.
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War is caused by stupid people without wisdom, political maturity and recklesness. Like stupid Abiy of Ethiopia is causing pain in his country.
I have given you a very good example - throwing stones and injuring Ruto say in Kisumu - can easily escalate into a civil war. Small action like that can trigger big tribal wars. The tribal wars can trigger division in security forces. And before you know we are in a civil war.
Raila already caused one in 1982 - that luckly lasted less than 24yrs.
I believe Raila will cause war...this not new position...this is my long held position.
I believe he is reckless and would not be able to handle a complex country like Kenya.
You know you take kenya peace for granted...it took lots of wisdom from Kenyattas and Mois to avoid and navigate delicate situations when rest of Africa were going through wars.
The usual kelele from Pundit. Can you not discuss any topic here without mentioning the name of your demi-god and Raila?
I have not read any where Raila supporters calling for war if their candidate looses the presidential election in 2022. You do it here everyday.
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I wish peace prevail in the end, but I Hope Abby succeed in crushing Tigray and keeping mainstream Ethiopia together.
Its unfortunate how much propaganda is out there. Listen to how Tplf is manipulating the media in western countries.
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Its appearing to be more of a stalemate TPLF attacks have been blunted and exhausted with huge casualties. Like I stated earlier no side can prevail military in this war. Unless foreign militaryinterference occurs
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I wish you could watch the documentary I shared. Ethiopia federal forces are weak. Each federal region has their own military. Abbiy is gone because he doesnt even have his own Oromo - having jailed most popular Oromo leaders. This fight is now btw Amhara forces and Tigray forces...the key actor in the war is Meknonen the head of Amhara.
The fight really is about Abiy attempt to centralize Ethiopia and take power from regional or federal states.
Its appearing to be more of a stalemate TPLF attacks have been blunted and exhausted with huge casualties. Like I stated earlier no side can prevail military in this war. Unless foreign militaryinterference occurs
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I wish you could watch the documentary I shared. Ethiopia federal forces are weak. Each federal region has their own military. Abbiy is gone because he doesnt even have his own Oromo - having jailed most popular Oromo leaders. This fight is now btw Amhara forces and Tigray forces...the key actor in the war is Meknonen the head of Amhara.
The fight really is about Abiy attempt to centralize Ethiopia and take power from regional or federal states.
Its appearing to be more of a stalemate TPLF attacks have been blunted and exhausted with huge casualties. Like I stated earlier no side can prevail military in this war. Unless foreign militaryinterference occurs
You relying on documentaries youtube media. Well am relying on first hand information from oromos borana here in isiolo who have relatives in the theatre of war.
Am getting daily briefing each day at 0900hrs.
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Okay let see how it pans out. I dont see Ethiopia lasting a month before TPLF overruns it.
You relying on documentaries youtube media. Well am relying on first hand information from oromos borana here in isiolo who have relatives in the theatre of war.
Am getting daily briefing each day at 0900hrs.
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Its appearing to be more of a stalemate TPLF attacks have been blunted and exhausted with huge casualties. Like I stated earlier no side can prevail military in this war. Unless foreign militaryinterference occurs
Interesting...the biggest problem with this war is that Ethiopia has been able to impose a complete blackout of media. No information is coming out unless smuggled. This is advantageous to the govt but very dangerous because if things go terribly wrong it may take a while for intervention to be made.
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Across all fronts is that TPLF and other detached rebels have faced insurmountable losses. Unless US steps in to save them it will be a disaster.
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After weeks of intense fighting Mille has fallen to the TDF according to multiple sources.
Mille is in Afar State and straddles the Addis-Djibouti highway.
This effectively cuts off two critical aerial routes that sustain Addis.
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After weeks of intense fighting Mille has fallen to the TDF according to multiple sources.
Mille is in Afar State and straddles the Addis-Djibouti highway.
This effectively cuts off two critical aerial routes that sustain Addis.
,"According to multiple sources" why don't you share the link. Brother you and pundit are one relying on western fake news. You never take time to go on the field and interact,just sit on the couch and browse the web then call yourself genius. And only time you go out is to the bar to get gossip from barmaids and walevis.
TPLF is 80kms from mille. They have suffered huge losses they were sending human waves aka 1st world war styles. I think after this war tigray will make 4% of Ethiopia population down from 6,,%. But all is not lost if they send enough human wavs they might take mille from government forces as they have run out of ammunition.
Its laughable Mille has been said to fall since 2nd November
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Tuliza Miraa. Ethiopia Adis is emptying out because people there have real information. Abbiy is delaying is departure by launching air strikes with newly acquired chinese, iranian and turkish drones....but as soon as djibutti highway and railway is choked...he will be dead in one month...without critical supplies like fuel...Adis Ababa will crumble.
This is why Mile is important - if tigray take it - they will just choke Ethiopia - meanwhile in south - Oromia rebels will choke the Moyale highway.
That leave Abbiy with Sudan route - where he can still import fuel and etc - and once that is choked - he will remained landlocked in Adis Ababa.
,"According to multiple sources" why don't you share the link. Brother you and pundit are one relying on western fake news. You never take time to go on the field and interact,just sit on the couch and browse the web then call yourself genius. And only time you go out is to the bar to get gossip from barmaids and walevis.
TPLF is 80kms from mille. They have suffered huge losses they were sending human waves aka 1st world war styles. I think after this war tigray will make 4% of Ethiopia population down from 6,,%. But all is not lost if they send enough human wavs they might take mille from government forces as they have run out of ammunition.
Its laughable Mille has been said to fall since 2nd November
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What is ufool's interest in Addis. Or it is US-Blinkeen cash? Safaricom shares??
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I cant tell - but kenya has joint military pact on somalia -
Safaricom and the 400MW power import from Ethiopia and Refugees and LAPSET
But it's hard to get Abiy to see sense if US has failed to do so
What is ufool's interest in Addis. Or it is US-Blinkeen cash? Safaricom shares??
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EGO is a terrible disease
Africa has its Trump.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-urges-americans-leave-ethiopia-001849988.html
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Good message from Sleepy Joe. Let despots be sorted out.
EGO is a terrible disease
Africa has its Trump.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-urges-americans-leave-ethiopia-001849988.html
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After weeks of intense fighting Mille has fallen to the TDF according to multiple sources.
Mille is in Afar State and straddles the Addis-Djibouti highway.
This effectively cuts off two critical aerial routes that sustain Addis.
,"According to multiple sources" why don't you share the link. Brother you and pundit are one relying on western fake news. You never take time to go on the field and interact,just sit on the couch and browse the web then call yourself genius. And only time you go out is to the bar to get gossip from barmaids and walevis.
TPLF is 80kms from mille. They have suffered huge losses they were sending human waves aka 1st world war styles. I think after this war tigray will make 4% of Ethiopia population down from 6,,%. But all is not lost if they send enough human wavs they might take mille from government forces as they have run out of ammunition.
Its laughable Mille has been said to fall since 2nd November
Njuri you should know that most folks just believe anything paroted by western media. Watch this video
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Funny negroes high on Western Conspiracy theorising.
Im sure you have already lined up powers behind this from CIA, Kung Fu,Russia bla black
All media houses are reporting the same thing; Ethiopia is falling
After weeks of intense fighting Mille has fallen to the TDF according to multiple sources.
Mille is in Afar State and straddles the Addis-Djibouti highway.
This effectively cuts off two critical aerial routes that sustain Addis.
,"According to multiple sources" why don't you share the link. Brother you and pundit are one relying on western fake news. You never take time to go on the field and interact,just sit on the couch and browse the web then call yourself genius. And only time you go out is to the bar to get gossip from barmaids and walevis.
TPLF is 80kms from mille. They have suffered huge losses they were sending human waves aka 1st world war styles. I think after this war tigray will make 4% of Ethiopia population down from 6,,%. But all is not lost if they send enough human wavs they might take mille from government forces as they have run out of ammunition.
Its laughable Mille has been said to fall since 2nd November
Njuri you should know that most folks just believe anything paroted by western media. Watch this video
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Funny negroes high on Western Conspiracy theorising.
Im sure you have already lined up powers behind this from CIA, Kung Fu,Russia bla black
All media houses are reporting the same thing; Ethiopia is falling
After weeks of intense fighting Mille has fallen to the TDF according to multiple sources.
Mille is in Afar State and straddles the Addis-Djibouti highway.
This effectively cuts off two critical aerial routes that sustain Addis.
,"According to multiple sources" why don't you share the link. Brother you and pundit are one relying on western fake news. You never take time to go on the field and interact,just sit on the couch and browse the web then call yourself genius. And only time you go out is to the bar to get gossip from barmaids and walevis.
TPLF is 80kms from mille. They have suffered huge losses they were sending human waves aka 1st world war styles. I think after this war tigray will make 4% of Ethiopia population down from 6,,%. But all is not lost if they send enough human wavs they might take mille from government forces as they have run out of ammunition.
Its laughable Mille has been said to fall since 2nd November
Njuri you should know that most folks just believe anything paroted by western media. Watch this video
Take time to listen to alternative media. All media means exactly what according to you?
https://nation.africa/kenya/blogs-opinion/opinion/the-ethiopia-political-quandary-and-africa-s-development-curse-3621468
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Funny negroes high on Western Conspiracy theorising.
Im sure you have already lined up powers behind this from CIA, Kung Fu,Russia bla black
All media houses are reporting the same thing; Ethiopia is falling
After weeks of intense fighting Mille has fallen to the TDF according to multiple sources.
Mille is in Afar State and straddles the Addis-Djibouti highway.
This effectively cuts off two critical aerial routes that sustain Addis.
,"According to multiple sources" why don't you share the link. Brother you and pundit are one relying on western fake news. You never take time to go on the field and interact,just sit on the couch and browse the web then call yourself genius. And only time you go out is to the bar to get gossip from barmaids and walevis.
TPLF is 80kms from mille. They have suffered huge losses they were sending human waves aka 1st world war styles. I think after this war tigray will make 4% of Ethiopia population down from 6,,%. But all is not lost if they send enough human wavs they might take mille from government forces as they have run out of ammunition.
Its laughable Mille has been said to fall since 2nd November
Njuri you should know that most folks just believe anything paroted by western media. Watch this video
Take time to listen to alternative media. All media means exactly what according to you?
https://nation.africa/kenya/blogs-opinion/opinion/the-ethiopia-political-quandary-and-africa-s-development-curse-3621468
I suppose it makes some feel clever as they figure things most miss or something.
As far as I can see, there are no attempts to push a certain narrative by outsiders. Inside of course this is an authoritarian regime so information control is the game
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-59288744
Look like human shield has been enacted...this will led to high causalities
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Ignore these so called "alternative media". Most are just conspiracy theorists. Need to get attention by all means possible.
I suppose it makes some feel clever as they figure things most miss or something.
As far as I can see, there are no attempts to push a certain narrative by outsiders. Inside of course this is an authoritarian regime so information control is the game
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The figures being thrown around are political. Tigray-6,5,4%
No one no longer talks of 1 million army myth.
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Someone to update us on the war front especially quoting western media and especially Mille :D :D
The truth is TPLF on the war fromt has been decimated. In Bati- Asagita Front the TPLF Again was decimated and they decided as selfie soldiers to now advance on Shewa Robit to claim western media that they are close to finfinne(Addis)
My friends uncle who is a Lt.Col in EPDF has told me its not less than 10,000s Agames killed tried to take selfies for Blinken to show they are advancing on Addis
Warning Plato and other mods don't dare edit my posts.
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Someone to update us on the war front especially quoting western media and especially Mille :D :D
The truth is TPLF on the war fromt has been decimated. In Bati- Asagita Front the TPLF Again was decimated and they decided as selfie soldiers to now advance on Shewa Robit to claim western media that they are close to finfinne(Addis)
My friends uncle who is a Lt.Col in EPDF has told me its not less than 10,000s Agames killed tried to take selfies for Blinken to show they are advancing on Addis
Warning Plato and other mods don't dare edit my posts.
Lol Njuri someone made me a moderator without my knowledge. I use my phone to post and wasn't aware that I have been using the modify post instead of quote button. I hope I haven't altered any content on your posts. If you see an edit on any of your posts know it is me and it was by mistake.
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My question is to you is why hasn't Ethiopian army retaken any of the territories that TDF took? They should be on the offensive. I do not think you can hide 10k bodies
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TDF winning militarily and psychologically.
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They are Kaput. It had 20 division. 10 division already destroyed. Now remaining with 10 divisions - one division has 5-10k soldiers. Abbiy is surviving on Mekonnen - The Amhara governor - militia and army. Otherwise the federal forces are kaput. The Eritrean have gone home.
My question is to you is why hasn't Ethiopian army retaken any of the territories that TDF took? They should be on the offensive. I do not think you can hide 10k bodies
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They are Kaput. It had 20 division. 10 division already destroyed. Now remaining with 10 divisions - one division has 5-10k soldiers. Abbiy is surviving on Mekonnen - The Amhara governor - militia and army. Otherwise the federal forces are kaput. The Eritrean have gone home.
My question is to you is why hasn't Ethiopian army retaken any of the territories that TDF took? They should be on the offensive. I do not think you can hide 10k bodies
Seems like it. NJURI likes to listen to drunkards. Why is a Colonel talking to civilians about war instead of working day and night to win it?
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TDF winning militarily and psychologically.
Their pr and propaganda machinery is very good. See how they were able to win the western powers to sympathize with them. Experience cannot be easily replaced.
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TDF winning militarily and psychologically.
Their pr and propaganda machinery is very good. See how they were able to win the western powers to sympathize with them. Experience cannot be easily replaced.
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Look the kidnapping and jailing of tigray has reached nairobi
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-11-22-ethiopian-businessman-missing-after-abduction-in-nairobi/
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Yeah it seems uhuru is applying pressure. This guy must be connected to the trigray oligarchs. Kenya does that with Somalis to put pressure
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Njuri NJEKE - (Thin Njuri),
You are really terrible analyst. I wonder why? May be you do not have enough sources of information to be able to make an objective assessment. I have looked everywhere and Pundit assessment is spot on that Abiy is gone. He is a terrible leaders and Commander in Chief. Abiy is a Kalonzo type of person that is very good in PR like Alfred Mutua but when the real test of leadership comes they get exposed. I wonder if Ruto will be the same.
“Give a small man a big gun,” said the ambassador, “and he will prove he is a small man”.
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2021-11-22-four-scenarios-and-the-funerals-ethiopian-powder-keg-is-ready-to-explode-in-tragic-ways/
Four scenarios are now possible.
In the first, the international community gets behind an African peace deal, enabled by Abiy taking immediate symbolic de-escalatory steps, including opening humanitarian access to Tigray, turning back on telecoms, banking and electricity services to the province, and speaking out publicly against Eritrean occupation.
This might, in a long shot, halt the war, but it is unlikely to save Abiy. It is difficult to negotiate from a position of weakness.
In the second scenario, suddenly bolstered by fresh international weaponry, the ENDF performs a miracle, and holds on, stopping the TDF and its allies from coming into Addis, the stalemate being followed up, in a positive outcome, by a peace process and a final settlement through a national dialogue.
More likely such a stalemate links to a third scenario, in which the Eritreans distract the TDF’s advance by re-invading Tigray, forcing the TDF’s retreat back up the road to defend their homeland to Ethiopia’s north. This TDF reaction is not certain, however. Rather Asmara’s further involvement might cause them to launch an all-out no holds barred offensive on Addis, perhaps expedited by closer collaboration with the Oromo Liberation Army.
Can Ethiopia make a right turn? (Photo: Greg Mills)
Any further Eritrean intervention, whatever the short-term military consequences, will almost certainly lead to greater longer-term inter-communal violence and possibly even the dissolution of today’s modern version of the Ethiopian state.
If the Eritreans step in, what happens?
There is evidence to suggest that its president, Isaias Afwerki, has good reason to fear the reaction of his own generals to what will be an inevitably brutally bloody and possibly politically fatal struggle as much as the increasing international opprobrium that would surely result. This leads to a fourth, final scenario, that Addis falls, and probably sooner rather than later.
The question is, what then? The Tigrayans will, if they are as smart as they profess to be, not seek to return to the past, save taking back their businesses, but will set about creating a national dialogue that will enable power-sharing with legitimate Oromia and other leadership, and a fairer distribution of resources. Any failure to take this mature approach can only seed yet another conflict.
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One year after the outbreak of civil war in Ethiopia the spectre of regime change looms over Africa’s second most populous nation. The tides of the military conflict pitting Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed and his allies against the rebel Tigray Defence Forces and Oromo Liberation Army changed after a government offensive failed to push back their enemies in October. Instead the insurgents made important territorial gains over the past weeks, vowing to take the capital Addis Ababa.
In response, the government called on civilians to join the war effort against the ‘terrorists’. It also declared a nation-wide state of emergency.
The military outcome of the conflict remains uncertain. Nevertheless, the threat to Abiy’s elected government is reminiscent of the downfall of the Derg dictatorship in May 1991. Led by Mengistu Haile Mariam, the socialist military regime ruled Ethiopia for 17 years after the 1974 revolution that deposed emperor Haile Selassie. It gained a reputation as one of Africa’s most repressive Cold War governments.
Supporters of Abiy, including many residents in Addis Ababa, fear a victory by Tigrayan and Oromo fighters. This could lead to a resurrection of the Ethiopian Peoples’ Revolutionary Democratic Front, which ruled the country for 27 years. This coalition of ethno-national parties, led by the Tigray People’s Liberation Front, ruled with an iron fist until Abiy’s unexpected rise to power in April 2018.
Read news coverage based on evidence, not tweets
Those in favour of the rebels argue that Abiy’s nationalist politics seek to undo the autonomy and political rights of the country’s various ethno-linguistic groups.
At a superficial level the conflict is between, on the one hand, a pan-Ethiopianist political centre advocating for a more unitarian state and, on the other, ethno-nationalist forces fighting for a federal order. This follows a familiar fault line in modern Ethiopian politics.
But, based on my long-term research on local and national politics in Ethiopia, this is where historical parallels between the current and past conflicts in Ethiopia end. A 1991 type of regime change at national level is unlikely, even if the Tigray Defence Forces and Oromo Liberation Army – which recently established the nine-member United Front of Ethiopian Federalist and Confederalist Forces – were to prevail militarily.
Prevailing political attitudes, security actors, alliances and geopolitics differ starkly from the final days of the hated Derg military regime. Five reasons in particular explain why 2021 is not 1991.
1. Abiy’s leadership is not deeply unpopular
When Tigray People’s Liberation Front forces entered Addis Ababa in May 1991 after 16 years of guerrilla warfare against one of Africa’s strongest armies, the Derg government was deeply unpopular. The same cannot be said about Abiy’s Prosperity Party. The party enjoys considerable support in Addis Ababa and parts of Amhara and Oromia regions. It is popular in major cities across the country and among parts of the Ethiopian diaspora.
The Tigrayan-led forces were welcomed as liberators three decades ago. But that’s unlikely to happen today. Many Ethiopians remember the pre-Abiy regime for its uncompromising authoritarian rule and broken promises to democratise Ethiopia.
Few believe that a reincarnated Tigray-led transitional government will solve the country’s deep seated political problems, in particular inter-ethnic animosities.
2. Proliferation of inter-communal conflicts
Today’s security environment is very different. The federal army has been considerably weakened after a year of war. The removal of senior Tigrayan commanders from the Ethiopian National Defence Forces after Abiy came to power is another factor. These commanders are now on the Tigray Defence Forces’ side.
The Ethiopian army’s ability to lead and coordinate operations has diminished while security forces operating under the command of regional states have strengthened. These ‘special forces’ of Amhara, Oromia, Afar and other regions – not the army – have shouldered much of the recent fighting against the Tigrayan and Oromo rebels.
In Amhara region in particular, thousands of local nationalists have joined the war against Tigrayan forces to reverse their gains. A proliferation of inter-communal conflicts across the country and a militarisation of Ethiopian society mean that, militarily speaking, neither the rebels nor the government are the only game in town.
3. Fragile alliances
The political alliances underpinning both Abiy’s government and the rebel coalition are fragile at best. The Amhara and Oromo wings of the ruling Prosperity Party are held together by their joint animosity towards Tigray. Inter-ethnic conflicts between Amhara and Oromo communities in both regional states has been a source of tension within the ruling party. Amhara nationalists feel increasingly let down by Abiy’s government and are likely to continue fighting against Tigrayans even in the unlikely event of a peace deal.
On the rebel side cooperation between Tigray and Oromo forces is based on an opportunistic calculus as well. Oromo nationalists were sidelined from political power during the early years of the previous regime, when the Tigray People’s Liberation Front was in power.
4. The Eritrean factor
When Tigray People’s Liberation Front forces entered the capital three decades ago, they were backed by the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front. This paved the way for the secession of Eritrea. Between 1998-2000 however, Ethiopia and Eritrea went to war driving a wedge between the Tigrayan and Eritrean leadership.
Abiy’s peace agreement with Eritrean president Isaias Afwerki, signed in 2018, turned out to be a military pact against their common enemy – the Tigray People’s Liberation Front. Eritrean defence forces invaded Tigray in the early days of the war, playing a crucial role in the government’s early battle wins.
What’s more, future relations between Tigray and Eritrea have the potential for long-term destabilisation in the northern parts of Ethiopia.
5. The Tigray question
Finally, Tigrayan elites are themselves divided over strategy. The options are between further decentralisation of the country or secession of Tigray in line with article 39 of the Ethiopian constitution. The Tigray People’s Liberation Front has long argued that self-determination within Ethiopia was in the best interest of Tigrayans. But the war and humanitarian crisis in Tigray have pushed many Tigrayans to rally behind calls for secession.
For the time being the main objective is to defeat Abiy’s government. The other is to liberate what they consider as Amhara-occupied territories in western Tigray, and to establish a national transitional government. But Tigray’s political future remains very much in the balance.
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Njuri,
The war thearter is now is now in Dessie see Map. Your General/colonel should get his Borana butt out of isiolo and go shore up Abiys demoralized Army
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Wow TDF is not playing.
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Poetic justice on all actors of this war
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Who should we believe in this information warfare?
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Who should we believe in this information warfare?
Where is tin foil. Abiy is getting thrashed. His mum dreamt of him being a king. He is now living in a nightmare. He is wearing sun glasses even in bed. He is afraid to to see what he had been reduced to.
His 11th hour is here. Oromo and other regional leaders of his prosperity party want him to end the war and surrender. He is using the ruse of going to Frontline to flee like the coward he is. What a moron and moral coward this Ahmed is ?
Listen at this possibly amahara heifer talking nonsense from her bedroom after being on uncle Sam cheese for 3 decades. You can tell that this latte sniffing moron has never lived in Ethiopia. Possibly a kid of a diaspora parent who has been fed propaganda. The good thing is that TDF is letting the battle wins talk. Amaharas are like kikuyus. Tribal supremacists that cannot fight to back their claim. However a small group disciplined Tigrayans is on offense. The other dissapoinyment in Ethiopia are oromos. You would think with all years or fighting they would be the ones calling shots on this war but wapi it is TDF ..the unitary state aka centralized power days is over in Africa. You either devolve the power to the regions or the regions will come for it at 4he center. Abiy should be jailed so that no ever attempts his foolishness again
Anyway this what he told uhunye ..ATI he is willing to compromise after 1 year of uncessary war
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Trump era peace is vanishing...
Democrats are sabotaging African states
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-11/ethiopia-s-civil-war-is-a-problem-u-s-troops-can-help-solve
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Trump era peace is vanishing...
Democrats are sabotaging African states
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-11/ethiopia-s-civil-war-is-a-problem-u-s-troops-can-help-solve
You do not have trust in African ability to self govern. No wonder with all the education you have, you still fallen a victim of conspiracy theories. I pity your kind. Everything that happens your are victim. You are never a victor. For me I love to celebrate real pan africanists like TDF. Instead of accepting victimization they have turned the tables on the oppressor. They are doing what those that have superior moral authority must do to protect themselves and dignity of others. You see aabiy is typical tin foil Shithead. He was handed power on silver platter. Tasked with delivering Ethiopia transition but what did he do. He went on crusade everywhere telling everyone that he is a new king was prophesied by his mother. What a nut head.
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Absolutely. Abbiy has messed Ethiopia. Even his Oromo people dont want him. He is another silva kiir. I hope he ends up in ICC to be tried for war crimes.
You do not have trust in African ability to self govern. No wonder with all the education you have, you still fallen a victim of conspiracy theories. I pity your kind. Everything that happens your are victim. You are never a victor. For me I love to celebrate real pan africanists like TDF. Instead of accepting victimization they have turned the tables on the oppressor. They are doing what those that have superior moral authority must do to protect themselves and dignity of others. You see aabiy is typical tin foil Shithead. He was handed power on silver platter. Tasked with delivering Ethiopia transition but what did he do. He went on crusade everywhere telling everyone that he is a new king was prophesied by his mother. What a nut head.
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Where Miraa dude - Debre Sina is just few kilometres from Adis. Abbiy is gone.
Who should we believe in this information warfare?
Where is tin foil. Abiy is getting thrashed. His mum dreamt of him being a king. He is now living in a nightmare. He is wearing sun glasses even in bed. He is afraid to to see what he had been reduced to.
His 11th hour is here. Oromo and other regional leaders of his prosperity party want him to end the war and surrender. He is using the ruse of going to Frontline to flee like the coward he is. What a moron and moral coward this Ahmed is ?
Listen at this possibly amahara heifer talking nonsense from her bedroom after being on uncle Sam cheese for 3 decades. You can tell that this latte sniffing moron has never lived in Ethiopia. Possibly a kid of a diaspora parent who has been fed propaganda. The good thing is that TDF is letting the battle wins talk. Amaharas are like kikuyus. Tribal supremacists that cannot fight to back their claim. However a small group disciplined Tigrayans is on offense. The other dissapoinyment in Ethiopia are oromos. You would think with all years or fighting they would be the ones calling shots on this war but wapi it is TDF ..the unitary state aka centralized power days is over in Africa. You either devolve the power to the regions or the regions will come for it at 4he center. Abiy should be jailed so that no ever attempts his foolishness again
Anyway this what he told uhunye ..ATI he is willing to compromise after 1 year of uncessary war
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The miraa dude is still listening to his Amahara Colonel. Lol TDF is breezing through amahara region. They arev160 kms ro to Addis. If Oromoia regional govt decides not fight Abiy will be toast soon. Ethiopian Army has strategically decided not to engage TDF in cities. I bet you the Ethiopian army is doing the bare minimum fighting. In Amahara region only the militia are engaging TDF
NJURI thin is a real Mmeru. Meru are known to have a short temper thus hasty decision. TDF is doing what kagame did in Rwanda.
I see my museveni son was so sure of TDF win. I have never heard him pour scorn on another country leadership like he did with Abiy.
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Kenyans are now arresting TPLF operatives in Kenya. Not very smart because Oromos & Ogaden are allies of TPLF. TPLF will order them to cross into Kenya to destroy one or two police stations. Theyll do it and go back to Ethiopia. Ofcourse Matiangi will blame locals and kill more people
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Is this BBC journalist killing linked to the Ethiopia shit??
“My last conversation with her sometimes back entailed what is happening in Addis. We used to have weekly meetings on our programme but then slowed down because of the situation there,” Wanjala added.
According to police, the suspect has since been identified as the journalist's fixer. It is believed that he had severally been spotted with the media personality.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/nairobi/article/2001429910/murdered-bbc-staffer-had-kept-off-addis-on-safety-fears
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This is such a gem bwana Plato.
Trump era peace is vanishing...
Democrats are sabotaging African states
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-11/ethiopia-s-civil-war-is-a-problem-u-s-troops-can-help-solve
You do not have trust in African ability to self govern. No wonder with all the education you have, you still fallen a victim of conspiracy theories. I pity your kind. Everything that happens your are victim. You are never a victor. For me I love to celebrate real pan africanists like TDF. Instead of accepting victimization they have turned the tables on the oppressor. They are doing what those that have superior moral authority must do to protect themselves and dignity of others. You see aabiy is typical tin foil Shithead. He was handed power on silver platter. Tasked with delivering Ethiopia transition but what did he do. He went on crusade everywhere telling everyone that he is a new king was prophesied by his mother. What a nut head.
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Thanks Gout.
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It can only mean one thing - the morale in federal and amhara army is very low - and he is desperately trying to shore up. Reports indicate the towns are falling Afgan style without much fight. I expect Adis to fall in the next two weeks. TDF are really expanding in the central corridor...
The afar has proven difficult for TDF - and so has the western corridor in Amhara - but central corridor is collapsing - and TDF are 200kms from Adis - that is like Nakuru - Nairobi. In the meantime Oromo Militia are also closing in.
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Yeah..what TDF needs to do is ratchet up political alliance. If they get a through pass in Oromia it is 0ver for Abiy
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It actually over. I think Abiy Mohammed is trying to run to exile while pretending to be somewhere in battle field. TDF are almost done with Amhara..now entering Oromo region...with support of OLA.
The biggest resistance was in Amhara - but seems they have allowed TDF a through pass - to Adis Ababa.
Now just 200kms - that means Nakuru - within a week - they will be in Nairobi.
Now even UN is recalling staff...it's over for Abbiy. TDF have prevailed. Oromia maybe become a state like Eritrea..That is deal they have with TDF.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE41pPyXIAca333?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Yeah..what TDF needs to do is ratchet up political alliance. If they get a through pass in Oromia it is 0ver from Abiy
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Yeah UN and France have ordered evacuations. Next few days will be crucial. This is really sureal. Your analysis was point on from the beginning. I never saw how TDF could conquer such a vast area
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Abbiy brought this to himself. You cannot close all escape routes and fight a cat. That is day you will know a cat is a small lion. For Tigrays like Tutsi this a fight for their existence - it doesnt matter the size of the dog - it the size of the fight they have. Tigrays are fighting a war of existence. I have many amhara friends and I know how they hate Tigrays but such is life.
I suspect Uhuru is trying to find asylum for Abiy - he been to Qatar, Mozambique and South Africa. Most likely he will run to Qatar.
Abiy has fallen out with western powers - he need to negotiate not end up in ICC - because that is where he is headed.
Yeah UN and France have ordered evacuations. Next few days will be crucial. This is really sureal. Your analysis was point on from the beginning. I never saw how TDF could conquer such a vast area
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Abbiy brought this to himself. You cannot close all escape routes and fight a cat. That is day you will know a cat is a small lion. For Tigrays like Tutsi this a fight for their existence - it doesnt matter the size of the dog - it the size of the fight they have. Tigrays are fighting a war of existence. I have many amhara friends and I know how they hate Tigrays but such is life.
I suspect Uhuru is trying to find asylum for Abiy - he been to Qatar, Mozambique and South Africa. Most likely he will run to Qatar.
Abiy has fallen out with western powers - he need to negotiate not end up in ICC - because that is where he is headed.
Yeah UN and France have ordered evacuations. Next few days will be crucial. This is really sureal. Your analysis was point on from the beginning. I never saw how TDF could conquer such a vast area
Tragic. You may be right. I think Uhuru has been tasked to get him out Ethiopia. Seems everyone know has run out patience with him. It so sad that Abiy has misled a lot of Ethiopians to a point where they think the world is against them. If he remains Ethiopia will break away into sereral states and there will be civil war that may last decades before everything is resolved.
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Tigrayans, like much of the rest of Ethiopia, are overwhelmingly young. Most Tigrayans under thirty care little about Ethiopia as a whole and imagine a better life for themselves as their own independent state. It was the senior TPLF leaders who had fought for, served Ethiopia, maintained links across regions, and remained open to unity. This was the caste whom Abiy has sought to kill. In the most famous episode, the Ethiopian Army killed Seyoum Mesfin who had served two decades as Ethiopia’s foreign minister. In effect, in a fit of pique, the mercurial Abiy has disproportionately targeted the only figures with whom he could negotiate to preserve Ethiopian unity.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/abiy-ahmed-has-condemned-ethiopia-dissolution-185149
Nor has Abiy done himself any favors with fellow African leaders. There is a way presidents and prime ministers speak to the public, and there is a way in which they talk among themselves. Abiy fails at the latter. He lacks candor and appears untethered from the reality that he has created. Many of his counterparts describe him as a naïf with a messiah complex. While African leaders will not publicly abandon one of their own, the shedding of African Union offices from Ethiopia to other capitals reflects Abiy’s declining diplomatic capital. Simply put, beyond Eritrean dictator Isaias Afwerki, who sees himself as Abiy’s superior, and Mohamed Farmaajo, Somalia’s president whose term expired three months ago, Abiy has no friends.
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Watch this Clip. It is interesting how Abiy Supporters have taken a hardline position. I think Ethiopia won't stand as a country. The moment of disolving Menelik Empire is has come. There is so much Ethnic Nationalism to keep Ethiopia as a Nation
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I think after the initial shock the federal government got its act together. I see a kinda stalemate. All Abiy needs to do now is talk to Sisi about cutting off arms to TPLF. He should negotiate with Oromia & Ogaden. He has a short window. Otherwise TPLF momentum ended.
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There is no stalemate. TDF and OLA are pushing relentless towards Adis Ababa. Adis is basically going to fall within a week or two. What is delaying is ENDF jets and drones. The ground troops seem to be so weak they basically run and abandon weapon. TDF and OLA just harvest the weapons and march down.
These guys are daily mapping the progress of war....Abiy is gone..
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1q-M9x3Kshld2Ys36jDU0Y45TmvE7E0km&hl=en&ll=10.582795191922086%2C39.661863864156246&z=9
I think after the initial shock the federal government got its act together. I see a kinda stalemate. All Abiy needs to do now is talk to Sisi about cutting off arms to TPLF. He should negotiate with Oromia & Ogaden. He has a short window. Otherwise TPLF momentum ended.
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Which Sisi? EGYPTIAN president? the only group that could have stopped TDF is Amhara fighters but they didn't get the requires support from endf. ENDF generals may have made the decision not fight in urban centers for fear of casualties and being eventually help to account if crimes are committed. It have been noted that any time the battle gets near an urban area they are withdrawing or this could be an arrangement between the army and TDF on rules of engagement. Without experience generals and commanders abiy is done. The biggest weakness of TDF is fighting in open flat terrain but Ola is better in this flat terrain
Plus if the regional forces see that Addis is about to fall they will cut deal
Right now Abiy is isolated. Mediators are now dealing with President and do not see how he can remain in continue to be part of the peace deal.
Remember during his ascension to power Tigray leadership had negotiated with and Americans had offered those that wanted to leave asylum.
How tables have turned in less than 3 years abiy is the one shopping for asylum
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Egypt is arming TPLF period. It's done it with shiftas and turned the tide against Mengistu.
The asylum rumor is part of TPLF propaganda which is in high gear. The Ethiopian Uthamakistanis prepared for war in event they lose power.
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Seems most of the arms were stolen from endf or acquire from endf after they abandoned their positions. There is no evidence of outside arming of TDF. I know abiy is buying drones from turkey
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ENDF is overrated militia. Tigrays made sure it was weak. Nearly half of it's officer were Tigrays. Now when they were kicked out...you have inexperienced army being led by morons. While Tigrays have the military brains...who understand war tactics...and have turned around their fortunes.
Which Sisi? EGYPTIAN president? the only group that could have stopped TDF is Amhara fighters but they didn't get the requires support from endf. ENDF generals may have made the decision not fight in urban centers for fear of casualties and being eventually help to account if crimes are committed. It have been noted that any time the battle gets near an urban area they are withdrawing or this could be an arrangement between the army and TDF on rules of engagement. Without experience generals and commanders abiy is done. The biggest weakness of TDF is fighting in open flat terrain but Ola is better in this flat terrain
Plus if the regional forces see that Addis is about to fall they will cut deal
Right now Abiy is isolated. Mediators are now dealing with President and do not see how he can remain in continue to be part of the peace deal.
Remember during his ascension to power Tigray leadership had negotiated with and Americans had offered those that wanted to leave asylum.
How tables have turned in less than 3 years abiy is the one shopping for asylum
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Yes they need to present evidence of outside arming. It's ENDF who are leaving their weapons and tanks for Tigrays. Yes Abbiy bought drones but as of yesterday Turkey was telling it's citizen to leave.
He bought drones from China, Iran and Turkey. This is what is helping delay the match to Adis.
I think Abiy has fallen out with his military commanders because he wants human shield basically erected...he thinks putting millions of ill trained militias, citizens and name it....will stop Tigrays.
The commanders know that is just cannon fodder - they have seen thousands killed in so called human shield...and they are therefore avoiding conflict in urban centers.
Adis will fall without a single shot fired....because nobody except desperate foolish Abiy will want to block tanks, rockets, and mortars with citizen armed with sticks, stones and g3s.
Abiy will run to asylum - and citizen even if they hate Tigrays - will be told to stay home for a week - and Tigrays will take over - and return federalism - if not allow secession referendum in Tigray and Oromia.
Ethiopia likely to go into referendum and split into 8 countries. If Amhara love Ethiopia - then they will accept Tigrays to sit on them for another 30yrs - because no way Tigrays are leaving Adis Ababa except if their country become independent.
Likely to happen - Tigray goes independent, Oromia goes independent taking Adis, Ogaden become Somali independent state. Afar will also become independent.
Amhara will remain with Gambelas and others and become Ethiopia...their HQ will become Tana.
Otherwise another option is more federalism but with Tigrays as titular head. They wont allow anybody else to take power. They are going to double down on having very strong Tigray Forces, a weak Ethiopia federal forces and more stock pilling of arms for future wars.
Seems most of the arms were stolen from endf or acquire from endf after they abandoned their positions. There is no evidence of outside arming of TDF. I know abiy is buying drones from turkey
I think splitting Ethiopia to several countries may be the solution. The country is too big to be effectively ruled. Looking at its terrain it seems to replicate kenya on having more semi and arid area. The countries can then have an economic federation that would eventually down the in may 30 years create a federal political system. This Menelik cruel marriage must be dissolved and let everyone go their separate way
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11th hour is here. Pundit you are right. Uhuru has been taskex with finding a place for abiy to go to. SA and Kenya just issued a joint statement..seems south Africa may be where he ends up
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Funny hullabaloos from couch potatoes. Fano militia has overan lalibella, wollo and other areas in Shewa where the Agame chigray forces had earlier captured this month.
Who capture s a stretch of land just on the main highway and leaves surrounding land to enemy. Eti the bar man thinking is you can choke a man on neck and make his body useless. Completely stupid!
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Funny hullabaloos from couch potatoes. Fano militia has overan lalibella, wollo and other areas in Shewa where the Agame chigray forces had earlier captured this month.
Who capture s a stretch of land just on the main highway and leaves surrounding land to enemy. Eti the bar man thinking is you can choke a man on neck and make his body useless. Completely stupid!
You are such a funny cartoon. I hope you do not teach this nonsense to you students in Meru university
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He is probably trying to escape - pretending to be be in war front - while he is evacuating his own family to a safe house.
11th hour is here. Pundit you are right. Uhuru has been taskex with finding a place for abiy to go to. SA and Kenya just issued a joint statement..seems south Africa may be where he ends up
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Without that highway - how will adis ababa survive - no fuel - no medicine - nothing coming in - nothing going out. This is why small TDF are kicking large army. You fight with brains Njuri. Sio Miraaaaaaaaa
Funny hullabaloos from couch potatoes. Fano militia has overan lalibella, wollo and other areas in Shewa where the Agame chigray forces had earlier captured this month.
Who capture s a stretch of land just on the main highway and leaves surrounding land to enemy. Eti the bar man thinking is you can choke a man on neck and make his body useless. Completely stupid!
During pev meru got on charcoal trucks and headed for rv to fight warriors with machetes...they didn't make it to embu before they were prevailed on to go back eat more Njahi and live to fight another day
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Miraa dude, next is Debre Birhan, and TDF+Ola will be on the outskirts of Adis Ababa
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE1-rcBVQAQhYMh?format=jpg&name=large)
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Without that highway - how will adis ababa survive - no fuel - no medicine - nothing coming in - nothing going out. This is why small TDF are kicking large army. You fight with brains Njuri. Sio Miraaaaaaaaa
Funny hullabaloos from couch potatoes. Fano militia has overan lalibella, wollo and other areas in Shewa where the Agame chigray forces had earlier captured this month.
Who capture s a stretch of land just on the main highway and leaves surrounding land to enemy. Eti the bar man thinking is you can choke a man on neck and make his body useless. Completely stupid!
During pev meru got on charcoal trucks and headed for rv to fight warriors with machetes...they didn't make it to embu before they were prevailed on to go back eat more Njahi and live to fight another day
Yeah was true when it appeared as if Kikuyu were losing the war when it reached Naivasha and Merus got impatient and decided to take matters into their hands. But the tide changed some Meru commanders were sent I reckon about 100 in Naivasha and Nakuru and they did a good job organizing the Kikuyu/Mungiki against the kalenjin and lead them from the front. I reckon the 300 kalenjins killed in PEV were at hands of the Merus.
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Which Kalenjin were killed in Naivasha. Mungiki went to flower farms and killed Luo-Luhyas. The boys from Muranga and Meru saw fire in Molo. I think 18 were killed and all their Kibaki second wife guns from Ethiopia taken. When boys were in Nairobi being given guns - they were promising to take war to Eldoret..Molo walichapwa wakarudi Nakuru. Nakuru kukawaka mpaka KDF ikatolewa. As consolation they went to Naivasha and fished poor Luos-Luhyas from their flower farms houses...and killed them.
After that week - Kibaki called Annan - and agreed to share power.
My friend Kalenjin hapana mchezo. Go to Naivasha today - and cross the lake - you'll find Kalenjin pale. Ask kikuyus if they dare attack them.
or just go to Laikipia today - iko KDF/GSU - lakini so far - no even one pokot killed - and how many KDFs/GSU killed or injured.
Dont ever bring Mungiki in a warrior fight. Just keep GSUs and KDFS wafanya kazi yao. In Molo there is permanent GSU camp that helps..but some fool thought they were doing poor job - only for his Mungiki gang to be decimated in a single afternoon. Kalenjin simply played decoy - send small boys to molo town - Mungiki were suprised to see the might kalenjin warriors running helter skelter - they followed - only to find themselves sorrounded in gorges - and being taken one by one by sharp shooters - gun taken - they decided to go back to Molo town and loot fellow kikuyu shops - and most run back to Muranga and Nairobi slums they had been fished out from.
Unatoka meru with a sharpen panga :) hehehe eti going for war. No kalenjin eve take a panga to war. Iyo sasa unaenda kukata nyazi ama mtu. You need versatile weapons that can allow you to run...because running lazima in those maize plantations :) - if you're not ready to run - umekula githeri - utahara :). Instead of a panga - carry two swords - one long - one short - that you can strap on your body - carry rungu - carry arrows with some poision - and strap your bow. At all time your weapons should be easy to carry and run with it.
Yeah was true when it appeared as if Kikuyu were losing the war when it reached Naivasha and Merus got impatient and decided to take matters into their hands. But the tide changed some Meru commanders were sent I reckon about 100 in Naivasha and Nakuru and they did a good job organizing the Kikuyu/Mungiki against the kalenjin and lead them from the front. I reckon the 300 kalenjins killed in PEV were at hands of the Merus.
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Which Kalenjin were killed in Naivasha. Mungiki went to flower farms and killed Luo-Luhyas. The boys from Muranga and Meru saw fire in Molo. I think 18 were killed and all their Kibaki second wife guns from Ethiopia taken. When boys were in Nairobi being given guns - they were promising to take war to Eldoret..Molo walichapwa wakarudi Nakuru. Nakuru kukawaka mpaka KDF ikatolewa. As consolation they went to Naivasha and fished poor Luos-Luhyas from their flower farms houses...and killed them.
After that week - Kibaki called Annan - and agreed to share power.
My friend Kalenjin hapana mchezo. Go to Naivasha today - and cross the lake - you'll find Kalenjin pale. Ask kikuyus if they dare attack them.
or just go to Laikipia today - iko KDF/GSU - lakini so far - no even one pokot killed - and how many KDFs/GSU killed or injured.
Dont ever bring Mungiki in a warrior fight. Just keep GSUs and KDFS wafanya kazi yao. In Molo there is permanent GSU camp that helps..but some fool thought they were doing poor job - only for his Mungiki gang to be decimated in a single afternoon. Kalenjin simply played decoy - send small boys to molo town - Mungiki were suprised to see the might kalenjin warriors running helter skelter - they followed - only to find themselves sorrounded in gorges - and being taken one by one by sharp shooters - gun taken - they decided to go back to Molo town and loot fellow kikuyu shops - and most run back to Muranga and Nairobi slums they had been fished out from.
Unatoka meru with a sharpen panga :) hehehe eti going for war. No kalenjin eve take a panga to war. Iyo sasa unaenda kukata nyazi ama mtu. You need versatile weapons that can allow you to run...because running lazima in those maize plantations :) - if you're not ready to run - umekula githeri - utahara :). Instead of a panga - carry two swords - one long - one short - that you can strap on your body - carry rungu - carry arrows with some poision - and strap your bow. At all time your weapons should be easy to carry and run with it.
Yeah was true when it appeared as if Kikuyu were losing the war when it reached Naivasha and Merus got impatient and decided to take matters into their hands. But the tide changed some Meru commanders were sent I reckon about 100 in Naivasha and Nakuru and they did a good job organizing the Kikuyu/Mungiki against the kalenjin and lead them from the front. I reckon the 300 kalenjins killed in PEV were at hands of the Merus.
Wishful thinking of a couch potato. You sew war is easy to analyze sitted behind a computer or whatever gadget with endless free safaricom internet bundles.
Reality is different on ground just like I see your analysis on Ethiopia pedestrian if not silly. Merus didn't amount to more than 100 in the PEV. Merus were only sent in closing stages of the war when it appeared Kikuyu were losing and they quickly turned the tide. Have heard of about 20 or so warriors who were beheaded inside Nakuru town as others retreated with their tails tucked in between their legs . In subukuia and Bahati again kalenjin had infiltrated but Meru commanded and reorganize d Kikuyu bands and Mungiki were able to repel them again here kalenjin suffered dozens of loses this is obviously nothing you would like to hear.
We know alot of what happened in 2007 but just keep quiet but again like I always say if you start a war you will be decimated rv will burn you will have nowhere to go. This time Kikuyu are well prepared and armed they won't require our help.
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I know about bahati and subukia were few kalenjin living amongst kikuyus were massacred. Anyway enough of that. Let keep it Ethiopia
Wishful thinking of a couch potato. You sew war is easy to analyze sitted behind a computer or whatever gadget with endless free safaricom internet bundles.
Reality is different on ground just like I see your analysis on Ethiopia pedestrian if not silly. Merus didn't amount to more than 100 in the PEV. Merus were only sent in closing stages of the war when it appeared Kikuyu were losing and they quickly turned the tide. Have heard of about 20 or so warriors who were beheaded inside Nakuru town as others retreated with their tails tucked in between their legs . In subukuia and Bahati again kalenjin had infiltrated but Meru commanded and reorganize d Kikuyu bands and Mungiki were able to repel them again here kalenjin suffered dozens of loses this is obviously nothing you would like to hear.
We know alot of what happened in 2007 but just keep quiet but again like I always say if you start a war you will be decimated rv will burn you will have nowhere to go. This time Kikuyu are well prepared and armed they won't require our help.
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Seems Abbiy has fled to Asmara. Not making sense to go to Afar while the battle for Addis is in Debra Birhan.
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Seems Abbiy has fled to Asmara. Not making sense to go to Afar while the battle for Addis is in Debra Birhan.
Why Asmara? Easier route to flee from?
Picture of Soldiers kissing his hands
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Here is Amhara Militia General calling for Killing of Tigrayans civilians
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Amharas are really a big problem. They cannot get over it that they lost power
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This thread has made me amazed at the number of couch potatoes we have in nipate.
Wake me up when chigray reach addis,as of now they are being massacred in Afar and wollo areas having followed Pundit nkalenjini worrier doctrine of "strangling the neck and making the body useless" :hee20hee20hee: :hee20hee20hee:
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The prize is Adis Ababa - not Afar. Afar is flat terrain - and Ethiopia airforce give the depleted EDNF and Afar force advantages.
This thread has made me amazed at the number of couch potatoes we have in nipate.
Wake me up when chigray reach addis,as of now they are being massacred in Afar and wollo areas having followed Pundit nkalenjini worrier doctrine of "strangling the neck and making the body useless" :hee20hee20hee: :hee20hee20hee:
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This thread has made me amazed at the number of couch potatoes we have in nipate.
Wake me up when chigray reach addis,as of now they are being massacred in Afar and wollo areas having followed Pundit nkalenjini worrier doctrine of "strangling the neck and making the body useless" :hee20hee20hee: :hee20hee20hee:
Abiy captured a shopping center in kasogita and went back to Addis to get his manicure.
TDF is like an octopus hands all over strangling endf to submission. Afar is not the price. Once Eritrea is forced to withdraw in afar it will fall completely
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Chifra in near Tigray border region captured by regime forces,Amhara fano militias have also overun several wollos previously controlled by the Agame Tigray forces who are still "strangling the neck to make the body useless" hundreds of chigrays also captured.
Couch potatoes over to you.
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Abiy took airforce to Afar and bombed TDF position - four tanks destroyed - Tigrays withdrew back to mountains. Strategically Afar is no go zone for them as they dont have air power...so they are sitting ducks in that flat terrain.
In meantime TDF and OLF are focused on Adis Ababa - and are making inroads towards it - they have detoured away from highway in Debre sina - and taken to the mountains...towards the next big town...debre birhan..that is like 100km from Adis.
Ethiopia only strategic advantage is airforce - but half their weapons were destroyed or handed over to TDF.
Chifra in near Tigray border region captured by regime forces,Amhara fano militias have also overun several wollos previously controlled by the Agame Tigray forces who are still "strangling the neck to make the body useless" hundreds of chigrays also captured.
Couch potatoes over to you.
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Agame chigray weyane have just suffered insurmountable loses in Shewa robit,as reported earlier they had marched down the highway following genius computer Pundit military doctrine of "strangling the neck to make the body useless" and also to take selfies for Blinken with no disregard for capturing surrounding areas to offer protection.
Now thousand s of Tigray youth are falling like leaves and Abiy the arrogant strongman now asks the mothers of Tigray to question TPLF.
Keep tuned to Truth News from the honorable Njuri Ncheke whose sources are straight from the battle field.
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Kwani you have a dog in the fight - the Mighty Mountain coward.
I am following this map - ENDF and allies are making some gains - but only because they know the end of war is nigh - TDF are approaching Adis Ababa.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1q-M9x3Kshld2Ys36jDU0Y45TmvE7E0km&hl=en&ll=9.862331773639447%2C39.79985209798863&z=11
Agame chigray weyane have just suffered insurmountable loses in Shewa robit,as reported earlier they had marched down the highway following genius computer Pundit military doctrine of "strangling the neck to make the body useless" and also to take selfies for Blinken with no disregard for capturing surrounding areas to offer protection.
Now thousand s of Tigray youth are falling like leaves and Abiy the arrogant strongman now asks the mothers of Tigray to question TPLF.
Keep tuned to Truth News from the honorable Njuri Ncheke whose sources are straight from the battle field.
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:D :D :D :D
But be very careful what you say about the Tigrayans. I think from what we've been told here, they are the Kalenjins of Ethiopia. Am I right? I think this is what I heard. Or was it the other way around? Anyway, what does it matter? Never let the small contradictory details get in the way. Just repeat something over and over and it will become reality, so we are told. Kenyans, after all, are very stupid people. You can convince them of anything. After the Tigrayans arrive in Addis, no one will ever dare challenge our beloved DPORK again. Sio?
Agame chigray weyane have just suffered insurmountable loses in Shewa robit,as reported earlier they had marched down the highway following genius computer Pundit military doctrine of "strangling the neck to make the body useless" and also to take selfies for Blinken with no disregard for capturing surrounding areas to offer protection.
Now thousand s of Tigray youth are falling like leaves and Abiy the arrogant strongman now asks the mothers of Tigray to question TPLF.
Keep tuned to Truth News from the honorable Njuri Ncheke whose sources are straight from the battle field.
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I dont know which hole you emerged from but we have been discussing these things for donkey years. We stick our necks out and MAKE PREDICTIONS - and folk dont listen - they get violent online -
This was a year ago....when this war started and abiy - was all over the map
https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=9236.0
And this was my sentiment at the start of the war.
Re: Ethiopia War - Special Thread- What is this about? EGO?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2020, 09:26:02 PM »
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Yes it useless ego fight. Ethiopians badly want to teach tigray a lesson - for meles zenawi excess- but Tigrays are good fighters, have stockpiled weapons and their mountainous terrain is crazy.
They either negotiate or prepare for Tigray to become independent state.
It's like taking war to Pokot...except they are 5m.
:D :D :D :D
But be very careful what you say about the Tigrayans. I think from what we've been told here, they are the Kalenjins of Ethiopia. Am I right? I think this is what I heard. Or was it the other way around? Anyway, what does it matter? Never let the small contradictory details get in the way. Just repeat something over and over and it will become reality, so we are told. Kenyans, after all, are very stupid people. You can convince them of anything. After the Tigrayans arrive in Addis, no one will ever dare challenge our beloved DPORK again. Sio?
This what I wrote a year a go at the start of this Abiy stupid war - Long before even American gave up in Afgan. GET BASIC STUFF FIRST before you bring your little childish emotional rants.
Most ethiopian and somalis and eritreans hate the Tigrays - coz they feel superior to all of them - but I don't tjhink it war you can win. They are good fighters and they live in hilly terrains. You have to negotiate otherwise they will just become independent state.
Egypt and Sudan will back a civil war in Ethiopia.
Some of these nonsense can be avoided. it's like South Sudan - Nuers will fight to death - so why take the war to them. The Afgan taliban will fight to death. The vietnamese fought Americans to death. The russian fought the Germans to death.
Leave them alone. Give them autonomy and more federalism. The price of subduing them is not worth.
Tigrays will not submit to Abbiy. They will drag the war and make sure ethiopian gov cannot exist in there.
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Do you think non-Kalenjins were cowards to not have had bravery like the Tigrayans when dealing with Moi during his 24-year rule?
I dont know which hole you emerged from but we have been discussing these things for donkey years. We stick our necks out and MAKE PREDICTIONS - and folk dont listen - they get violent online -
This was a year ago....when this war started and abiy - was all over the map
https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=9236.0
And this was my sentiment at the start of the war.
Re: Ethiopia War - Special Thread- What is this about? EGO?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2020, 09:26:02 PM »
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Yes it useless ego fight. Ethiopians badly want to teach tigray a lesson - for meles zenawi excess- but Tigrays are good fighters, have stockpiled weapons and their mountainous terrain is crazy.
They either negotiate or prepare for Tigray to become independent state.
It's like taking war to Pokot...except they are 5m.
:D :D :D :D
But be very careful what you say about the Tigrayans. I think from what we've been told here, they are the Kalenjins of Ethiopia. Am I right? I think this is what I heard. Or was it the other way around? Anyway, what does it matter? Never let the small contradictory details get in the way. Just repeat something over and over and it will become reality, so we are told. Kenyans, after all, are very stupid people. You can convince them of anything. After the Tigrayans arrive in Addis, no one will ever dare challenge our beloved DPORK again. Sio?
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Most ethiopian and somalis and eritreans hate the Tigrays - coz they feel superior to all of them - but I don't tjhink it war you can win. They are good fighters and they live in hilly terrains. You have to negotiate otherwise they will just become independent state.
Egypt and Sudan will back a civil war in Ethiopia.
Some of these nonsense can be avoided. it's like South Sudan - Nuers will fight to death - so why take the war to them. The Afgan taliban will fight to death. The vietnamese fought Americans to death. The russian fought the Germans to death.
Leave them alone. Give them autonomy and more federalism. The price of subduing them is not worth.
Tigrays will not submit to Abbiy. They will drag the war and make sure ethiopian gov cannot exist in there.
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Dont bring kalenjin all over. Yes Kenyan tribes are cowards except for Somalis who fought a long shifta war. Moi would have stayed forever if he wanted. But he was a wise man. Kenya was going to become a broke hell hole it became...so Kenya tribes fought Moi intelligently - they had no hope militarily.
For Tigrays - this was I wrote last year...
Split hairs. TPLF=Tigrays. Tigrays are united behind TPLF. Tigrays have long history of resistance and the success at that - and that makes them feel invincible. They resisted muslims invasion many centuries ago and became an island of Christianity. They defeated Italians in Adawa and Ethiopia became only Africa country to avoid coloniliasm. Those two are huge ego boosters. They took over Ethiopia and run it for 30yrs. That is a lot of arrogance there. So you cannot just rush and hope to crush them.
As long as Tigrayans have that mentality - Ethiopian are in for a long battle
Do you think non-Kalenjins were cowards to not have had bravery like the Tigrayans when dealing with Moi during his 24-year rule?
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The Shifta war was a good or bad thing for Kenya?
I'm just trying to understand you because it seems like you're obsessed with anything that hints, no matter how indirectly, at a breakup of Kenya.
Is Kenya, the country as we know it now, only something to be enjoyed when it's convenient? Once power has slipped away from one's tribal hero, is it ok to start chasing and magnifying anything that suggests civil war?
Dont bring kalenjin all over. Yes Kenyan tribes are cowards except for Somalis who fought a long shifta war. Moi would have stayed forever if he wanted. But he was a wise man.
For Tigrays - this was I wrote last year...
Split hairs. TPLF=Tigrays. Tigrays are united behind TPLF. Tigrays have long history of resistance and the success at that - and that makes them feel invincible. They resisted muslims invasion many centuries ago and became an island of Christianity. They defeated Italians in Adawa and Ethiopia became only Africa country to avoid coloniliasm. Those two are huge ego boosters. They took over Ethiopia and run it for 30yrs. That is a lot of arrogance there. So you cannot just rush and hope to crush them.
As long as Tigrayans have that mentality - Ethiopian are in for a long battle
Do you think non-Kalenjins were cowards to not have had bravery like the Tigrayans when dealing with Moi during his 24-year rule?
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You hate the truth.
My prediction is simple.
If Ruto is rigged out and the supreme court doesnt annual it.
It's very likely (99 percent) Kalenjin will go to war.
They will attack other tribes..kick them out rv and attempt possibly a secession.
From there it really depend...it could be resolved with peace deal quickly
Or it could go full blown civil war if the security forces split.
If Uhuru goes hard with security forces - Kalenjin in security sector will mutiny - and split.
After the split - then it going to be dog war.
Kenya has issues...it ranked a FRAGILE NATIONS.
Lots of tribes have grievances.
Are Kalenjin afraid of ICC. NOPE. They know Ruto doesnt need to get involved.
Assume Raila is rigged in....Will kalenjin take Uhuru betrayal and Raila presidency...NOT EASILY
Luos are cowards...they can take shiet for many years...Kalenjin are not..or at least do not perceive them to be one.
The Shifta war was a good or bad thing for Kenya?
I'm just trying to understand you because it seems like you're obsessed with anything that hints, no matter how indirectly, at a breakup of Kenya.
Is Kenya, the country as we know it now, only something to be enjoyed when it's convenient? Once power has slipped away from one's tribal hero, is it ok to start chasing and magnifying anything that suggests civil war?
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I see.
But where were all these problems when Moi was in State House? How come I never heard the Civil War warnings then from the likes of you and your tribal hero?
By the way, I love how you try to distance your hero from any future ICC trouble. :D
But your use of inflammatory language, when criticizing the Luos for their supposed cowardice, is inexcusable. Who are you to judge which Kenyan tribe is brave or cowardly? But I know the true cause of your anger. And it will only grow if you continue to see other tribes not interested in the civil war you love to dangle in front of us.
You hate the truth.
My prediction is simple.
If Ruto is rigged out and the supreme court doesnt annual it.
It's very likely (99 percent) Kalenjin will go to war.
They will attack other tribes..
From there it really depend...it could be resolved with peace deal quickly
Or it could go full blown civil war if the security forces split.
If Uhuru goes hard with security forces - Kalenjin in security sector will mutiny - and split.
After the split - then it going to be dog war.
Kenya has issues...it ranked a FRAGILE NATIONS.
Lots of tribes have grievances.
Are Kalenjin afraid of ICC. NOPE. They know Ruto doesnt need to get involved.
The Shifta war was a good or bad thing for Kenya?
I'm just trying to understand you because it seems like you're obsessed with anything that hints, no matter how indirectly, at a breakup of Kenya.
Is Kenya, the country as we know it now, only something to be enjoyed when it's convenient? Once power has slipped away from one's tribal hero, is it ok to start chasing and magnifying anything that suggests civil war?
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You were not born in 92?
Not born in 98
Kalenjin have long history of wanting to secede - but leaders have managed it.
1) Murgor - 1960s- blown whistles, sharpening of spears and talk of secession.
2) Moi - 1960s - There were reports that the Kalenjin under Moi were arming for a war of secession, and there was talk of alliances with Kenya's Somali.
3) 2003-2005 - when Moi was summoned to personally appear in goldenburg - Kalenjin leaders warned that summoning Moi would be declaration of war and they would fight to secede.
You were dead I guess by 2007- you just emerged from a hole
And now we are in 2021
I see.
But where were all these problems when Moi was in State House? How come I never heard the Civil War warnings then from the likes of you and your tribal hero?
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So is Kenya surviving only through the generosity of the Kelenjins? Are the so-called Kalenjin warriors the only thing between Kenya and its breakup?
You were not born in 92?
Not born in 98
Kalenjin have long history of wanting to secede - but leaders have managed it.
1) Murgor - 1960s- blown whistles, sharpening of spears and talk of secession.
2) Moi - 1960s - There were reports that the Kalenjin under Moi were arming for a war of secession, and there was talk of alliances with Kenya's Somali.
3) 2003-2005 - when Moi was summoned to personally appear in goldenburg - Kalenjin leaders warned that summoning Moi would be declaration of war and they would fight to secede.
You were dead I guess by 2007.
And now we are in 2021
I see.
But where were all these problems when Moi was in State House? How come I never heard the Civil War warnings then from the likes of you and your tribal hero?
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Not many tribes would stomach what has been done to Luos.If 1/4 of what has been done to them is visited on kalenjin - they would have gone to war. Even kikuyus went to war in 1952.
But your use of inflammatory language, when criticizing the Luos for their supposed cowardice, is inexcusable. Who are you to judge which Kenyan tribe is brave or cowardly? But I know the true cause of your anger. And it will only grow if you continue to see other tribes not interested in the civil war you love to dangle in front of us.
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People go to war when they feel they cannot stomach a perceived injustice. Kikuyus did it in 1952. They have threaten severally with Mungiki and all. Somalis in 1960s. Coast have tried Pwani si Kenya. Luos did half-arsed coup against Moi.
So is Kenya surviving only through the generosity of the Kelenjins? Are the so-called Kalenjin warriors the only thing between Kenya and its breakup?
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I see.
I'm sure when Moi was running things, people like you and Ruto were very concerned about the plight of the Luos. I'm sure Ruto was always advising Moi on how to improve conditions for the Luos. Right?
Not many tribes would stomach what has been done to Luos.If 1/4 of what has been done to them is visited on kalenjin - they would have gone to war. Even kikuyus went to war in 1952.
But your use of inflammatory language, when criticizing the Luos for their supposed cowardice, is inexcusable. Who are you to judge which Kenyan tribe is brave or cowardly? But I know the true cause of your anger. And it will only grow if you continue to see other tribes not interested in the civil war you love to dangle in front of us.
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I am speaking as a dispassionate pundit. It just happenstance I am a kalenjin. If Ruto was a somali - I would still warn of civil war if a somalian was rigged out - because somalis would not stomach such a injustice without fighting.
If you want to know - I never supported Moi - and our family supported Kibaki right in 1992 - even when it was very risky
If Moi had lost 1992 - Kenya I bet would have gone to civil war. Kalenjin were not ready to hand over power. By 2002 after difficult 90s - they were more than eager to get off IMF back.
I see.
I'm sure when Moi was running things, people like you and Ruto were very concerned about the plight of the Luos. I'm sure Ruto was always advising Moi on how to improve conditions for the Luos. Right?
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I'm sure you're only a "dispassionate pundit."
There are also many racist Whites who say: "I'm not racist. My best friend is black."
Please, spare me. Your anger at those Kenyans who have not fallen over themselves in support of Ruto makes you so mad that everything is now on the table in terms of bringing down Kenya.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Go fool someone else.
I am speaking as a dispassionate pundit. It just happenstance I am a kalenjin. If Ruto was a somalia - I would still warn of civil war if a somalian was rigged out.
If you want to know - I never supported Moi - and our family supported Kibaki right in 1992 - even when it was very risky
If Moi had lost 1992 - Kenya I bet would have gone to civil war.
I see.
I'm sure when Moi was running things, people like you and Ruto were very concerned about the plight of the Luos. I'm sure Ruto was always advising Moi on how to improve conditions for the Luos. Right?
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Just beat Ruto in free and fair manner...this thread goes back to Tigray war - moron.
I'm sure you're only a "dispassionate pundit."
There are also many racist Whites who say: "I'm not racist. My best friend is black."
Please, spare me. Your anger at those Kenyans who have not fallen over themselves in support of Ruto makes you so mad that everything is now on the table in terms of bringing down Kenya.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Go fool someone else.
I am speaking as a dispassionate pundit. It just happenstance I am a kalenjin. If Ruto was a somalia - I would still warn of civil war if a somalian was rigged out.
If you want to know - I never supported Moi - and our family supported Kibaki right in 1992 - even when it was very risky
If Moi had lost 1992 - Kenya I bet would have gone to civil war.
I see.
I'm sure when Moi was running things, people like you and Ruto were very concerned about the plight of the Luos. I'm sure Ruto was always advising Moi on how to improve conditions for the Luos. Right?
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Easier said than done. Will the likes of rabid Ruto supporters like you accept that Ruto can be beaten fairly? I don't think so. Look at how you have used your hero's tactic of repeating something over and over again (that there is no way Ruto can lose fairly), as you prep the Kalenjins for civil war.
Stop trying to play games with us.
Just beat Ruto in free and fair manner...this thread goes back to Tigray war - moron.
I'm sure you're only a "dispassionate pundit."
There are also many racist Whites who say: "I'm not racist. My best friend is black."
Please, spare me. Your anger at those Kenyans who have not fallen over themselves in support of Ruto makes you so mad that everything is now on the table in terms of bringing down Kenya.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Go fool someone else.
I am speaking as a dispassionate pundit. It just happenstance I am a kalenjin. If Ruto was a somalia - I would still warn of civil war if a somalian was rigged out.
If you want to know - I never supported Moi - and our family supported Kibaki right in 1992 - even when it was very risky
If Moi had lost 1992 - Kenya I bet would have gone to civil war.
I see.
I'm sure when Moi was running things, people like you and Ruto were very concerned about the plight of the Luos. I'm sure Ruto was always advising Moi on how to improve conditions for the Luos. Right?
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Gikomba you are very right Pundit with his round soot head and big white teeth is supporting Tigray because he equates them to nkalenjini. He thinks the military activities of TPLF can be replicated by nkalenjini in Kenya next year. This thread has actually made me realize how dumb and silly pundit can be. The so called worrier lacking even basic military knowledge with his"strangling of the neck to make body useless" this guy is a clown. Have always told pundit kalenjin are a non entity in kenya and should they start war next year they will be decimated they are simply not a worry only to themselves and rv doa doa communities.
Pundit is a maniac in short that beyond any help only to watch him repeat himself.
Back to chigray they are now out manouvred and surrounded today they lost soo much territory.by mid December their outcome will be bleak
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If you don't understand the importance of A2 highway - that leads to only port in Djibouti then you clearly don't understand war.
War is not just fighting. War is having the discipline to know when and where to fight.
What Tigray have done in this war so far is very astounding.
To beat EDNF with 200,000 - destroying half the force in Tigray (8 division decimated) - then on their offense to Adis Ababa in a year.
Once this war is over - Gen Tsadkan Gebretensae - the military tactician behind TDF will be studied worldwide.
He had already proven himself in 1990 overthrow of Mengistu and the beating of Eritrea.
We are talking 6 percent of Ethiopia - bossing the rest.
As for Kalenjin - how far is Uhuru doing in Laikipia?
Your Mau Mau were decimated in 4yrs - just few bands of Nandi fought for 15yrs. That is why Nandis are studied to this day.
For example - this is 1895..
The operations had been well planned and executed as the
warriors had defeated several European caravans with the
loss of only two warriors. When provided the opportunity,
the warriors had decisively struck. When the Europeans had
the advantage, the Nandi warriors possessed the discipline to
avoid a costly attack. Moreover, all this was accomplished
by raiding parties, not the combined might of the Nandi
tribes.
Gikomba you are very right Pundit with his round soot head and big white teeth is supporting Tigray because he equates them to nkalenjini. He thinks the military activities of TPLF can be replicated by nkalenjini in Kenya next year. This thread has actually made me realize how dumb and silly pundit can be. The so called worrier lacking even basic military knowledge with his"strangling of the neck to make body useless" this guy is a clown. Have always told pundit kalenjin are a non entity in kenya and should they start war next year they will be decimated they are simply not a worry only to themselves and rv doa doa communities.
Pundit is a maniac in short that beyond any help only to watch him repeat himself.
Back to chigray they are now out manouvred and surrounded today they lost soo much territory.by mid December their outcome will be bleak
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It is clear that TPLF has been getting foreign support and much of the western media has been ropped in the psychological warfare in support of the same. The government of Ethiopia is finally responding and seeking allies in both weapons and information warfare. It seems the tide has turned in Abiys favor in the past week or so. Watch the below video exposing the conspiracy to overthrow the government exposed by this Canadian.
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Pundit you are just a small boy to me when it comes to war and military tactics and thats why i say you are a couch potato relying on internet and books.
TPLF was the Ethiopian army for 30 years when they left power they took with them most of the army equipment and best trained officers. Abiy had ro build army from scratch twice. Firstly when Tplf left with everything after he came to power and second ly last year when the tigray massacred the national army innthe barracks and took most of their equipment.
Abiy is relying on tribal militia and their special forces, actually he is the one that needs studying.
Back to your A2 ,i asked you a simple question if tou marche d from eldoret down the highway to nakuru with the surrounding land being in hands on the enemy would you make it? Answer that knock your head i think you becoming an empty debe.
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So now you have a degree in military science?
Abiy is guy who started the offensive. He bombed the hell out of Mekelle. Had them running to the mountains.
Gen Tsakdan was recalled by TPLF - he had be ostracized after falling out with Tigray Generals - during late 90s border wars with Eritrea - when he wanted to storm Asmara and overrun Eritrea.
Other generals thought he was a crazy dude.
He told them he was not going to work with TPLF - they formed TDF.
Gen Tsakdan then told the TPLF he need at least six months to train 100K soldiers.
While Ethiopia and Eritrea forces - plus all the militia - were busy raping and looting in Mekelle - Gen Tsakdan was training 100,000 volunteers into TDF in the hills of Tigray.
When they were ready - it was about 8 months - June - and they started their offensive.
Within two months - they had destroyed 8 army divisions- half of the Ethiopia army. They literally run and left their weapons. Thousands imprisoned.
Had sent Eritrea forces back to Asmara
Then Baby Gen :) Colonel Abiy run to Amhara Gov Mekonnen - and asked for his milita and forces - they tried and failed.
TDF have matched now to Debre Sina - and have left the A2 around there - and gone to mountains to surround Debre Bihran.
When you're fighting a war - critical highway like Mombasa-Malaba - is quickest way to cripple a gov.
Ethiopia army itself blockaed Tigray and tried to starve them of everything including food aid/fuel.
Now TDF want to secure that higway and also blockade Ethiopia - without fuel/critical supplies - soon lower ethiopia - will be asking for the route to Lamu.
Even our poor warriors started from there.
Warriors fell trees - dug out tarmac - used trucks to block all the roads. Kibaki was paralyzed. Museveni was paralyzed.
Right now Abbiy is just desperately attacking TDF randomly without any gameplan :)
Mountain warrior - even Kalenjin can teach you about war and tactics. There is a reason why Kalenjin have Laibons. Laibons plan everything. They are military strategist and they use to plan everything to the dot. The warriors just need the discipline to follow the general tactics...in this case the laibon. If it was raiding...it use to take two months of scouting and intelligence gathering...and the actual attack would take 30 minutes or less...it would be a flash...and the cows are gone.
Go to pokot and ask them who plan those cattle raids or attacks - LAIBONS. PEV - the laibons. They gather intelligence before authorizing attacks. Before the first Mungiki boarded vehicles in Dandora - Kalenjin warriors already had the intelligence and were waiting for them. They were lured to their death.
"The spiritual leaders, referred to by local communities as laibons, plot the raids and issue instructions to bandits and it is believed their supernatural powers are absolute in governing blessings or curses."
Pundit you are just a small boy to me when it comes to war and military tactics and thats why i say you are a couch potato relying on internet and books.
TPLF was the Ethiopian army for 30 years when they left power they took with them most of the army equipment and best trained officers. Abiy had ro build army from scratch twice. Firstly when Tplf left with everything after he came to power and second ly last year when the tigray massacred the national army innthe barracks and took most of their equipment.
Abiy is relying on tribal militia and their special forces, actually he is the one that needs studying.
Back to your A2 ,i asked you a simple question if tou marche d from eldoret down the highway to nakuru with the surrounding land being in hands on the enemy would you make it? Answer that knock your head i think you becoming an empty debe.
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Njuri after miraa read this article
Gen Tsadkan Gebretensae: Ethiopia's Tigray rebel mastermind
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-57583208
For four months they were training, organising and fighting at the same time until, by May, Gen Tsadkan and the other commanders estimated that they had achieved parity with their adversaries.
Gen Tsadkan Gebretensae is a key member of the Tigrayan Defence Forces Command and widely regarded as one of Africa’s best military thinkers and strategists. He was a former top Ethiopian army general. He is widely-regarded as one of the masterminds of Operation Alula which in late June 2021 led to major reversals for the Ethiopian army in Tigray. In this interview, conducted in Tigray on 6 July by The Elephant, Gen Tsadkan spells out his views on peace and the way forward for Ethiopia.
https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/07/09/tigray-crisis-a-conversation-with-general-tsadkan-gebretensae-tigray-defense-force-central-command/
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Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.
Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:
Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.
Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:
Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!
It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:
Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.
Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:
Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.
If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.
Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!
It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:
Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.
Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:
Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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Look like Abiy has turned the tables on TDF
ENDF and Amhara reinforcements have been sent to the Fashaga area
Fano has recaptured Mehal Meda
The ENDF+Fano have retaken Lalibela
The ENDF+Fano recaptured Were Ilu and Aketsa
ENDF have recaptured Shewa Robit
ENDF have captured Mezezo
ENDF have recaptured Molale
ENDF have captured Degolo
ENDF have captured Dubko
The ENDF+Fano recaptured Gashena
The ENDF+Fano recaptured Arbit
ENDF visually confirmed to be back in control over Filakit
The Ethiopian Air Force destroyed the Tekeze Dam's electricity substation
The ENDF+Afari forces recaptured Chifra
The ENDF+Afari forces have launched attacks towards Chifra
Amhara militiamen carried out raids against Sudanese forces in Al Fashaga
The ENDF+Afari forces have made gains towards Bati
TDF have captured Kob
TDF have captured Shimdir
TDF have repulsed an attack by Fano and ARSF on Lalibela
Heavy clashes around Debre Sina
TDF captured Kelala town
Heavy clashes reported around Armaniya
Heavy clashes on the A2 highway near Debre Sina
Multiple airstrikes near Shewa Robit by the Ethiopian Air Force
The Ethiopian Air Force has bombed Mekelle with a drone
TDF-OLA have captured Shewa Robit
TDF have captured Molale
TDF have captured Mehal Meda
TDF have captured Degolo
TDF are in control of Meskel Ber area
Heavy clashes between the OLA/TDF vs the ENDF+Afari forces on the road to Bati
Fano recaptured Were Ilu
TDF have captured Jama/Lugama
The OLA are confirmed to control Gidami
TDF+OLA control Senbete
TDF+OLA control Ataye
Afar forces have recaptured Kasa Gita and Burqa area
TDF have captured Akesta
TDF have captured Fito
TDF have captured Gimba
TDF have captured Lege Ambo
Amhara Media claims that Kobo has been raided by Fano, with convoys destroyed
Turusina Mosque in Arba Wayu town near Senbete was hit by an airstrike
Fano has launched an offensive into East Wellega
OLA claim they are making huge progress in Hidabu Abote district
The TDF/OLA are attempting to advance towards Ataye
Repeated attempts by the TDF to progress towards Mille
TDF have captured upper and lower Dawunt woreda
TDF claim destroying a large portion of the Southern Command of the ENDF in Tebasit
TDF claim destroying a large portion of the Western Command of the ENDF near Mekdela University and capturing large amounts of artillery
TDF units have popped up at Efratana Gidim district and clashed with ARSF
TDF are clashing at Antsokia
TDF are fighting in Gishe
Airstrikes at Cheffa Robit have reportedly killed 38 civilians and injured over 40 according to Oromo sources
OLA have captured Cheffa Robit
Clashes south of Kemise
Airstrikes around Kemise
400 Oromia Special Forces allegedly defected to the OLA in Laga Tafo, outside of Addis Ababa
TDF have captured Were Ilu
The TDF have reached Kemise
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Do you remember the famous quote by a well-known Nigerian? It goes like this: A tiger does not proclaim its tigritude. It strikes.
Then there's the well known one that everyone knows: Barking dogs never bite.
Your proclamations and barking are suspect because they are shaped to fit a pre-determined outcome. They are not the real thing. They are politically motivated.
It's like a politician who attends church for political rather than religious reasons and makes a big deal about the huge amounts of money he is donating. His profession of deep faith is not convincing.
In other words, most of your arguments and enthusiasm for the war in Ethiopia, for example, are suspect. They are meant to serve another purpose that is far away from what the actual participants in the war have in mind. Tomorrow, you will suddenly jump to another country, seize on the Somalis, and start glorifying their excellent warrior skills and the Shifta war. Then you'll again leap like a mad man to another part of the world and grab Yugoslavia and start getting very excited over how it broke up into pieces. Why all this lunatic behavior? Because everything is fair game in your mad zeal to get your tribal hero to State House. This is spin not "dispassionate punditry." Some of us can tell the difference and will always call you out.
But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.
If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.
Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!
It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:
Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.
Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:
Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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Nigeria is under colony of Northern war mongering tribes - the Hausa and Fulanis - the Poor Igbos are on the receiving end for 50yrs now. The rest of your nonsense is not worthy my time. We discuss many topical issues. Ethiopia is topical. Next month it could be Sudan or Congo.
Ruto is topical issue now. 10yrs ago - we were here - discussing stuff. 20yrs ago - when Ruto was mere MP - were were here.
Do you remember the famous quote by a well-known Nigerian? It goes like this: A tiger does not proclaim its tigritude. It strikes.
Then there's the well known one that everyone knows: Barking dogs never bite.
Your proclamations and barking are suspect because they are shaped to fit a pre-determined outcome. They are not the real thing. They are politically motivated.
It's like a politician who attends church for political rather than religious reasons and makes a big deal about the huge amounts of money he is donating. His profession of deep faith is not convincing.
In other words, most of your arguments and enthusiasm for the war in Ethiopia, for example, are suspect. They are meant to serve another purpose that is far away from what the actual participants in the war have in mind. Tomorrow, you will suddenly jump to another country, seize on the Somalis, and start glorifying their excellent warrior skills and the Shifta war. Then you'll again leap like a mad man to another part of the world and grab Yugoslavia and start getting very excited over how it broke up into pieces. Why all this lunatic behavior? Because everything is fair game in your mad zeal to get your tribal hero to State House. This is spin not "dispassionate punditry." Some of us can tell the difference and will always call you out.
But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.
If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.
Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!
It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:
Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.
Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:
Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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You still don't get it. Discussing issues is NOT the issue.
You just think that we don't see what your spin or pre-determined aim is. Some of us see it clearly and refuse to feed into it. That's all.
And yes, the land that now stands called Kenya, is worth defending, whether or not Ruto enters State House.
You can proclaim your so-called "dispassionate punditry" all you want. But no matter how much you repeat it, it won't be what you want us to think it is. No, some of us do not fall for the tricks you and Ruto use, ati repeating something over and over makes it acceptable. :D
Nigeria is under colony of Northern war mongering tribes - the Hausa and Fulanis - the Poor Igbos are on the receiving end for 50yrs now. The rest of your nonsense is not worthy my time. We discuss many topical issues. Ethiopia is topical. Next month it could be Sudan or Congo.
Ruto is topical issue now. 10yrs ago - we were here - discussing stuff. 20yrs ago - when Ruto was mere MP - were were here.
Do you remember the famous quote by a well-known Nigerian? It goes like this: A tiger does not proclaim its tigritude. It strikes.
Then there's the well known one that everyone knows: Barking dogs never bite.
Your proclamations and barking are suspect because they are shaped to fit a pre-determined outcome. They are not the real thing. They are politically motivated.
It's like a politician who attends church for political rather than religious reasons and makes a big deal about the huge amounts of money he is donating. His profession of deep faith is not convincing.
In other words, most of your arguments and enthusiasm for the war in Ethiopia, for example, are suspect. They are meant to serve another purpose that is far away from what the actual participants in the war have in mind. Tomorrow, you will suddenly jump to another country, seize on the Somalis, and start glorifying their excellent warrior skills and the Shifta war. Then you'll again leap like a mad man to another part of the world and grab Yugoslavia and start getting very excited over how it broke up into pieces. Why all this lunatic behavior? Because everything is fair game in your mad zeal to get your tribal hero to State House. This is spin not "dispassionate punditry." Some of us can tell the difference and will always call you out.
But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.
If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.
Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!
It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:
Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.
Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:
Gikomba when someone say this :) he is not calling for war.
Gen Tsadkan: No, it didn’t come as a surprise to me. In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control. That’s exactly what happened.
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If you keep asking - I will keep repeating. If you want to be "suprised" like 2007 - you need to keep mum. Facts are stubborn.
You still don't get it. Discussing issues is NOT the issue.
You just think that we don't see what your spin or pre-determined aim is. Some of us see it clearly and refuse to feed into it. That's all.
And yes, the land that now stands called Kenya, is worth defending, whether or not Ruto enters State House.
You can proclaim your so-called "dispassionate punditry" all you want. But no matter how much you repeat it, it won't be what you want us to think it is. No, some of us do not fall for the tricks you and Ruto use, ati repeating something over and over makes it acceptable. :D
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Don't make me laugh by suddenly playing defensive.
I simply follow up on what you write. I have absolutely no fear of your so-called warrior "tradition." Or did you say you're now a retired warrior? :D
If you keep asking - I will keep repeating. If you want to be "suprised" like 2007 - you need to keep mum. Facts are stubborn.
You still don't get it. Discussing issues is NOT the issue.
You just think that we don't see what your spin or pre-determined aim is. Some of us see it clearly and refuse to feed into it. That's all.
And yes, the land that now stands called Kenya, is worth defending, whether or not Ruto enters State House.
You can proclaim your so-called "dispassionate punditry" all you want. But no matter how much you repeat it, it won't be what you want us to think it is. No, some of us do not fall for the tricks you and Ruto use, ati repeating something over and over makes it acceptable. :D
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Arguing with pundit is a waste of time. The Martial Kalenjin race is supreme. Dont forget how they live back in bomet,marakwet,baringo pokot etc. Its the master race :)
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Read your signature coward. Rather than reading self serving articles - why not read something like this - I read it in primary school
https://www.sahistory.org.za/sites/default/files/archive-files3/c.j._peers_raffaele_ruggeri_warrior_people_of_ebook4me.org_.pdf
Arguing with pundit is a waste of time. The Martial Kalenjin race is supreme. Dont forget how they live back in bomet,marakwet,baringo pokot etc. Its the master race :)
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I wonder how so-called African tribal warriors stand up to drone technology and firepower.
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Go Ask NATO how much they spent in Afgan. The answer 8 trillion dollars...more than enough to lift entire Africa out poverty..and 900,000 deaths.
End results. Nothing. Taliban are back running things.
Lesson: Some wars are not worth starting. Sometimes you need to avoid such useless wars and negotiate a win-win.
In kenya it simple - just hold free and fair election :) - VERY EASY. Implement COk2010 and kenya will become a proud and stable democracy.
You start games about openly rigging with deep state and system :) - you're dismembering the country.
I wonder how so-called African tribal warriors stand up to drone technology and firepower.
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Every right thinking Kenyan wants a free and fair election. This is not the issue.
I'm talking about protecting innocent lives from terrorists. If an election is rigged and people who did not have anything to do with the rigging are killed under cover of darkness by cowards who call themselves "tribal warriors," these people should be labelled who they really are: terrorists.
Burning a church that has women and kids is not an act of a warrior. It's an act of terrorism by cowards. Killing a family from another tribe at night then running away is not an act of a warrior. It's an act of terrorism.
Every country is different. I'm just wondering how effective drone technology would be in Kenya against such terrorists.
Drones Will Help Track Somali Terrorists
Go Ask NATO how much they spent in Afgan. The answer 8 trillion dollars...more than enough to lift entire Africa out poverty..and 900,000 deaths.
End results. Nothing. Taliban are back running things.
Lesson: Some wars are not worth starting. Sometimes you need to avoid such useless wars and negotiate a win-win.
In kenya it simple - just hold free and fair election :) - VERY EASY. Implement COk2010 and kenya will become a proud and stable democracy.
You start games about openly rigging with deep state and system :) - you're dismembering the country.
I wonder how so-called African tribal warriors stand up to drone technology and firepower.
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If police attack and kill civilians. Civilians will kill civilians. Kibaki started in 2007 by shoot to kill on ODM protestors - before any kalenjin responded in 3rd Jan (Kibaki swearing day) - Kibaki had filled morgues of Kisumu and City mortuary with Luos protestors.
He had definitely planned the rigging and knew Luos would protest - and had prepared to massacre them into submission. What he new saw was Kalenjin reacting violently over a Luo election. In 3 days of Kalenjin gallant freedom fighters (or terrorists) fightback - he was on the ropes and was ready for talks. The 2007 eventually gaves us the constitution. You can call them terrorist or freedom fighters.
Otherwise I agree - the next battle if it comes - warriors should be given guns and arms - so they can battle police - and leave civilians.
Even better Kalenjin security forces should mutiny and fight Kenya gov security. That would be parity in arms....and would results in a fair war.
We need to upgrade the war - so poor do not fight the poor. They should fight the guys who cause the war.
For example it's Uhuru business to manage transition.If he fails or interferes with succession - he should be one on the receiving end - not a poor mama mboga. That is Hustler Nation message I guess.
Every right thinking Kenyan wants a free and fair election. This is not the issue.
I'm talking about protecting innocent lives from terrorists. If an election is rigged and people who did not have anything to do with the rigging are killed under cover of darkness by cowards who call themselves "tribal warriors," these people should be labelled who they really are: terrorists.
Burning a church that has women and kids is not an act of a warrior. It's an act of terrorism by cowards. Killing a family from another tribe at night then running away is not an act of a warrior. It's an act of terrorism.
Every country is different. I'm just wondering how effective drone technology would be in Kenya against such terrorists.
Drones Will Help Track Somali Terrorists
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I know what's really going on here but I'll pretend otherwise for now.
Terrorizing innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the rigging should not be dressed up as "freedom fighting" of "African warrior tradition." It is terrorism pure and simple and it needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP. It should never be a bargaining chip in politics.
We cannot have courts (even if they are not perfect), which are funded by millions of taxpayers, and your so-called "tribal warriors" waiting on the sidelines to strike innocent civilians. You need to choose one (but I know where your true heart is). Otherwise this is domestic terrorism and must be treated accordingly. Try that crap in America and see what happens.
Those of us who have been advocating for reforms in Kenya, when people like Ruto were against us, know that true and legal change is not an easy struggle. But we did not take short cuts by advocating that the killing of innocent Kalenjins was fine since this would force Ruto, Biwott and Moi to see the light.
Like I said, I know what is really going on. I pray it does not succeed.
If police attack and kill civilians. Civilians will kill civilians. Kibaki started in 2007 by shoot to kill on ODM protestors - before any kalenjin responded in 3rd Jan (Kibaki swearing day) - Kibaki had filled morgues of Kisumu and City mortuary with Luos protestors.
He had definitely planned the rigging and knew Luos would protest - and had prepared to massacre them into submission. What he new saw was Kalenjin reacting violently over a Luo election. In 3 days of Kalenjin gallant freedom fighters (or terrorists) fightback - he was on the ropes and was ready for talks. The 2007 eventually gaves us the constitution. You can call them terrorist or freedom fighters.
Otherwise I agree - the next battle if it comes - warriors should be given guns and arms - so they can battle police - and leave civilians.
Even better Kalenjin security forces should mutiny and fight Kenya gov security. That would be parity in arms....and would results in a fair war.
We need to upgrade the war - so poor do not fight the poor. They should fight the guys who cause the war.
For example it's Uhuru business to manage transition.If he fails or interferes with succession - he should be one on the receiving end - not a poor mama mboga. That is Hustler Nation message I guess.
Every right thinking Kenyan wants a free and fair election. This is not the issue.
I'm talking about protecting innocent lives from terrorists. If an election is rigged and people who did not have anything to do with the rigging are killed under cover of darkness by cowards who call themselves "tribal warriors," these people should be labelled who they really are: terrorists.
Burning a church that has women and kids is not an act of a warrior. It's an act of terrorism by cowards. Killing a family from another tribe at night then running away is not an act of a warrior. It's an act of terrorism.
Every country is different. I'm just wondering how effective drone technology would be in Kenya against such terrorists.
Drones Will Help Track Somali Terrorists
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I understand your concerns - and I am also praying we have the most free and fair election - and if there are problems - judiciary are able to rise to the occasion. Maraga already did kenya proud although I disagree with merits of the case...I recognise the decision for it's novelty.
Now instead of trying to civilize kalenjin in few months....I would focus on making sure we call out any attempt to rig election starting yesterday...and any attempt by Koome to undo the reform gains.
We were all in trenches fighting MO1. But unlike you I deal with reality. Not hypothesis. The reality remain Kalenjin savage mode can be easily activated by any perception of rigging.
If you think that Kalenjin need to be prompted or organized or pre-planned - then you're NOT LISTENING. All these years you should already know they don't. They just need a trigger good enough to become a rally cry for entire community. Ruto is the rallying cry. If anything happen today to Ruto - within 2hours - we could see chaos. Do you think people will wait to be organized or prepped for war :(
Or you think they are logging into to Nipate - and reading btw the lines :) - to start their attacks :)
Some of your are either desperate to live your own reality or really crazy nuts.
I know what's really going on here but I'll pretend otherwise for now.
Terrorizing innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the rigging should not be dressed up as "freedom fighting" of "African warrior tradition." It is terrorism pure and simple and it needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP. It should never be a bargaining chip in politics.
We cannot have courts (even if they are not perfect), which are funded by millions of taxpayers, and your so-called "tribal warriors" waiting on the sidelines to strike innocent civilians. You need to choose one (but I know where your true heart is). Otherwise this is domestic terrorism and must be treated accordingly. Try that crap in America and see what happens.
Those of us who have been advocating for reforms in Kenya, when people like Ruto were against us, know that true and legal change is not an easy struggle. But we did not take short cuts by advocating that the killing of innocent Kalenjins was fine since this would force Ruto, Biwott and Moi to see the light.
Like I said, I know what is really going on. I pray it does not succeed.
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Oh, I see. So now it's all about what others are doing against Ruto? You, and your loud declarations that Ruto cannot lose in a fair election (to take just one example), are not part of the problem?
You're an expert at speaking from both ends of your mouth.
I understand your concerns - and I am also praying we have the most free and fair election - and if there are problems - judiciary are able to raise to the occasion.
Now instead of trying to civilize kalenjin in few months....I would focus on making sure we call out any attempt to rig election starting yesterday...and any attempt by Koome to undo the reform gains.
We were all in trenches fighting MO1. But unlike you I deal with reality. Not hypothesis. The reality remain Kalenjin savage mode can be easily activated by any perception of rigging.
I know what's really going on here but I'll pretend otherwise for now.
Terrorizing innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the rigging should not be dressed up as "freedom fighting" of "African warrior tradition." It is terrorism pure and simple and it needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP. It should never be a bargaining chip in politics.
We cannot have courts (even if they are not perfect), which are funded by millions of taxpayers, and your so-called "tribal warriors" waiting on the sidelines to strike innocent civilians. You need to choose one (but I know where your true heart is). Otherwise this is domestic terrorism and must be treated accordingly. Try that crap in America and see what happens.
Those of us who have been advocating for reforms in Kenya, when people like Ruto were against us, know that true and legal change is not an easy struggle. But we did not take short cuts by advocating that the killing of innocent Kalenjins was fine since this would force Ruto, Biwott and Moi to see the light.
Like I said, I know what is really going on. I pray it does not succeed.
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As of now Ruto cannot lose in a free and fair election - but there are still many dynamics. See MOAS thread. I have for example talked about few things to look out for. OKA is one of them. They are 13-15 percent worth of voters. How Mt kenya will vote - still hard to predict with precision...that is why MOASS has scenarios of Ruto getting 40,50,60, 70, 80 percent of GEMA. There are givens - how Luo and Kalenjin will vote.
If election are held tonight - it would be implausible and improbable for Ruto to lose. It would trigger a lot of suspicion of rigging and all Ruto need to say - is I am rigged - and I wont go to court - and war starts.
Can Ruto be beaten in 2022. Of course. NASA need to re-unite - back to 45 percent - and hunt for 5 percent. If they dont - and Ruto continue making inroads in NASA zones - then SHIDA TUPU.
Oh, I see. So now it's all about what others are doing against Ruto? You, and your loud declarations that Ruto cannot lose in a fair election (to take just one example), are not part of the problem?
You're an expert at speaking from both ends of your mouth.
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From my analysis it appears tigray abandoned going for the neck simply because in military terms it playing with russian roulette,now they have retreated to reorganize and dig in heavily fortified strongholds to draw federal forces out to them so that they can annihilate them then move back to trying to Recapture lost ground and addis. This is inline with proper military/war doctrine you dont move on a straight line with enemies surrounding you. They will simply pick you and annihilate just like nandi were able to harras the lunatic railway building.
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They were hoping for a quick run - but seem Abiy acquired drones that are doing damage. Now it going to be a long drawn war - that will bankrupt Ethiopia. It would have been better if war had been won by either parties. Abbiy obviously not going back to Tigray. Tigray will have to find a way to achieve parity in airforce - or simply dig in until Ethiopia is so broke.
From my analysis it appears tigray abandoned going for the neck simply because in military terms it playing with russian roulette,now they have retreated to reorganize and dig in heavily fortified strongholds to draw federal forces out to them so that they can annihilate them then move back to trying to Recapture lost ground and addis. This is inline with proper military/war doctrine you dont move on a straight line with enemies surrounding you. They will simply pick you and annihilate just like nandi were able to harras the lunatic railway building.
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They were hoping for a quick run - but seem Abiy acquired drones that are doing damage. Now it going to be a long drawn war - that will bankrupt Ethiopia. It would have been better if war had been won by either parties. Abbiy obviously not going back to Tigray. Tigray will have to find a way to achieve parity in airforce - or simply dig in until Ethiopia is so broke.
From my analysis it appears tigray abandoned going for the neck simply because in military terms it playing with russian roulette,now they have retreated to reorganize and dig in heavily fortified strongholds to draw federal forces out to them so that they can annihilate them then move back to trying to Recapture lost ground and addis. This is inline with proper military/war doctrine you dont move on a straight line with enemies surrounding you. They will simply pick you and annihilate just like nandi were able to harras the lunatic railway building.
Yes that is the most likely scenario now if Abiys men dont throw caution to the wind as they are not as experienced as the Tigray.
Tigray need to hurriedly retreat and reorganize or hence they will be surrounded and cut off from their strongholds and decimated. The afar militia and fano are closing on cutting them off from A2 to tigray
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China, US, UAE and Turkey meddling. Egypt must be also happy but unlikely to be meddling - It will be very happy for a broke Ethiopia so the GERD can be on hold. Meaning more Ethiopians using firewood from Blue Nile catchments which eventually will be a death bell for Nile which myopic military cannot foresee.
At last the pride of Ethiopia has been sold by Abbiy fool for drones!! I still hope he will go Gaddafi or Saddam way in some desolate village. He needs to go whatever the outcomes.
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Tigray(kalenjin) appear to have been cut out and surrounded in 2 pockets along the A2 to Kombolcha and risk annihilation,the gamble for going for the neck has backfired seriously all surrounding land in hands of Abiy. Main battle for Dessie and Kombolcha loading
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I have to say that I am for a strong Ethiopia surviving. I do not want Ethiopia breaking up. To me, it was bad enough that Eritrea broke away. I have always wanted a strong Ethiopia.
Ethiopia has always been a strong ally of Kenya and vice versa.
Kenya and Ethiopia need each other to counter Somalia. I will never support the weakening of Ethiopia.
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A disintegrated Ethiopia would be a disaster for East Africa. It would be felt allover from Egypt, Sudan, S. Sudan, Somalia and Uganda too.
I have to say that I am for a strong Ethiopia surviving. I do not want Ethiopia breaking up. To me, it was bad enough that Eritrea broke away. I have always wanted a strong Ethiopia.
Ethiopia has always been a strong ally of Kenya and vice versa.
Kenya and Ethiopia need each other to counter Somalia. I will never support the weakening of Ethiopia.
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Yep appears as if Dessie and Kombolcha will fall today. I finally managed to get intouch with my informant on the frontline,the last few days have seen heavy fighting not reported on the media due to blackouts,there are very graphic photos I cant post . In one battle confirmed 600 tigray wiped out by drones as they retreated,survivors then machine gunned by fano militia. Like I stated early on in this thread tigray population will reduce by about 2%
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Yes federal forces fano confirmed in Dessie and Kombolcha
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It's pretty obvious America doesn't like the Ethiopian government. Can they decide to intervene to help their Tigray lackey with targeted strikes? It's ominous, because America has generally left a trail of destruction in its wake. They mess you up and then move on leaving the victim to sort themselves out.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF7z7reXIAIONvY?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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It obvious they will bring sanctions soon on Abiy and his key gov officials. But I doubt they will get UNSC sanctions without China and Russia on board. China has invested so much in Ethiopia - they are going to be biggest losers - because Ethiopia is no position to pay debts.
But really bad news for Ethiopia. The Anglo Saxons will crush their economy Zim style - because they hate anybody not listneing to their wise counsel. Meanwhile Tigrays will dig in.
It's pretty obvious America doesn't like the Ethiopian government. Can they decide to intervene to help their Tigray lackey with targeted strikes? It's ominous, because America has generally left a trail of destruction in its wake. They mess you up and then move on leaving the victim to sort themselves out.
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TDF I guess are back to their homeland. ENDF will not dare cross into Tigray. I think last battle will be in Woldiya. Then we have a long stalemate.
Yes federal forces fano confirmed in Dessie and Kombolcha
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TDF I guess are back to their homeland. ENDF will not dare cross into Tigray. I think last battle will be in Woldiya. Then we have a long stalemate.
Yes federal forces fano confirmed in Dessie and Kombolcha
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You penned your tigray hopes on western disinformation campaigns,there was no threat of Tigray taking addis from a military perspective only scaremongering. Its simple when tigray went for the neck their fate was sealed.
Most importantly is that tigray have lost huge number of fighters and equipment they won't recover from this soon it was a fatal blow while Abiy can draw on the endless amounts of fighters from Afar, Amhara and Oromo. Actually Afar fighters proved to be the main turning point in this war tigray venture s into afar region were disastrous thousands killed in the arid plains. Afar are actually the martial class they have a fearsome reputation more than Tigray. I would say they are like Merus :) quick tempered and fearless,they ended rigray dreams.
Howeve what i predict is Abiy will continue to blockade and weaken, increase drone strikes in Tigray as his forces consolidates all gains made,refit and replenish,then will try to launch a full offensive in tigray, already western tigray is in hands of Amhara fano who have caused all kinds of problems there. But this will be a drawn out war in tigray.
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Tigray has done very well for a population that is 6 percent and is really hated by other Ethiopias. Yes I agree that Afar also have fearsome reputation as fighters. Meru nobody fears you - not any of your neighbeours :) - use the machetes to weed farms :)
Tigray had a good plan - that seem to have unraveled with drone attack and of course local population opposition. Now for Tigrays to relaunch attack - they have to figure out how to deal with ENDF airforce.
Maybe they will ask US and the UN to impose no fly zone or something like that if they cry genocide against their people. They have already made a good case.
If they cannot impose a NO FLY Zone - on Ethiopia - then Tigray forces will need very serious anti-air missiles. Either way as China prop Abiy - the US need to prop Tigray and stop this attempted genocide against a minority by combined gov of Ethiopia and Eritrea.
I am still for Tigray forces to prevail
1) Abiy is a.hole who started a senseless war and
2) Abiy together with Eritrea and 90m Ethiopias are basically on a genocide mission on the minority tigray for the crimes of TPLF regime of Meles Zenawi.
Finally I am going to always back a underdog. What is there to back a big bully like Abbiy.
If a No Fly Zone is imposed - and arm sales to Ethipia banned - TDF will take a month to do another run for Adis.
You penned your tigray hopes on western disinformation campaigns,there was no threat of Tigray taking addis from a military perspective only scaremongering. Its simple when tigray went for the neck their fate was sealed.
Most importantly is that tigray have lost huge number of fighters and equipment they won't recover from this soon it was a fatal blow while Abiy can draw on the endless amounts of fighters from Afar, Amhara and Oromo. Actually Afar fighters proved to be the main turning point in this war tigray venture s into afar region were disastrous thousands killed in the arid plains. Afar are actually the martial class they have a fearsome reputation more than Tigray. I would say they are like Merus :) quick tempered and fearless,they ended rigray dreams.
Howeve what i predict is Abiy will continue to blockade and weaken, increase drone strikes in Tigray as his forces consolidates all gains made,refit and replenish,then will try to launch a full offensive in tigray, already western tigray is in hands of Amhara fano who have caused all kinds of problems there. But this will be a drawn out war in tigray.
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US won't intervene militarily. They will just put pressure for diplomatic solution. If no solution they will just keep on pressure to make sure no one commits genocide. The days of usa interventions are long gone. This my read on it.
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Troops on ground of course no. They just ended a disaster in Afgan. What they will do is impose sanctions on Adis. If Abiy continue with drone attack - they will seek to impose non fly zone - and also to arm Tigray through Egypt and Sudan esp with Anti-Air missiles. Once Tigrays have figured out how to stop Abiy bombs - it will be an equal war.
US won't intervene militarily. They will just put pressure for diplomatic solution. If no solution they will just keep on pressure to make sure no one commits genocide. The days of usa interventions are long gone. This my read on it.
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Tigray has done very well for a population that is 6 percent and is really hated by other Ethiopias. Yes I agree that Afar also have fearsome reputation as fighters. Meru nobody fears you - not any of your neighbeours :) - use the machetes to weed farms :)
Tigray had a good plan - that seem to have unraveled with drone attack and of course local population opposition. Now for Tigrays to relaunch attack - they have to figure out how to deal with ENDF airforce.
Maybe they will ask US and the UN to impose no fly zone or something like that if they cry genocide against their people. They have already made a good case.
If they cannot impose a NO FLY Zone - on Ethiopia - then Tigray forces will need very serious anti-air missiles. Either way as China prop Abiy - the US need to prop Tigray and stop this attempted genocide against a minority by combined gov of Ethiopia and Eritrea.
I am still for Tigray forces to prevail
1) Abiy is a.hole who started a senseless war and
2) Abiy together with Eritrea and 90m Ethiopias are basically on a genocide mission on the minority tigray for the crimes of TPLF regime of Meles Zenawi.
Finally I am going to always back a underdog. What is there to back a big bully like Abbiy.
If a No Fly Zone is imposed - and arm sales to Ethipia banned - TDF will take a month to do another run for Adis.
You penned your tigray hopes on western disinformation campaigns,there was no threat of Tigray taking addis from a military perspective only scaremongering. Its simple when tigray went for the neck their fate was sealed.
Most importantly is that tigray have lost huge number of fighters and equipment they won't recover from this soon it was a fatal blow while Abiy can draw on the endless amounts of fighters from Afar, Amhara and Oromo. Actually Afar fighters proved to be the main turning point in this war tigray venture s into afar region were disastrous thousands killed in the arid plains. Afar are actually the martial class they have a fearsome reputation more than Tigray. I would say they are like Merus :) quick tempered and fearless,they ended rigray dreams.
Howeve what i predict is Abiy will continue to blockade and weaken, increase drone strikes in Tigray as his forces consolidates all gains made,refit and replenish,then will try to launch a full offensive in tigray, already western tigray is in hands of Amhara fano who have caused all kinds of problems there. But this will be a drawn out war in tigray.
Continue burying your head in the sand. Tigray(kalenjin :D) bit more than they can chew,this is not the 90s son. If the military doctrine you applying here is what the kalenjin worriers do then its really funny and ridiculous. Try that in 2022 and you will experience first hand the pain of the bullet. Mark you tigray had all heavy equipment while you just have arrows. My friend kalenjin will be liquidated we will deal with you perpendicularly
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Tigray are not cowards who will back out - in real fighting - retreats are part of the game - in fact unlike Ethiopa gov that lost half it army and weapons in Tigray six months ago - TDF have withdrawn mostly without any fight - that is TACTICAL DISCIPLINE. This is why Merus can never be good fighters - because you're driven by anger like Mkissi :). Knowing when to retreat and reducing causalities is very important. this now becomes a war of attrition. Marathon race of war.
Need I remind you how Nandi led the longest resistance in East Africa - the key component - the Nandi warriors possessed the discipline to retreat when the British had the upper hand and to decisive attack when they had the advantage. They were able to keep causalities down - and re-strategize - change the war theatre to where they would have tactical advantages - like in deep gorges.
That is how Nandi warriors - force of about 4,000 warriors - held the British for 15yrs...from 1890 to 1906...ending with death of Nandi top tactician Koitalel
Treat this Tigray withdraw as tactical retreat..NOT A DEFEAT.
The Ethiopia gov is in for a long war....
How is your war doing in Laikipia - KDF/GSU/APs/Kenya Police - Reservist - against a few Pokots. Kalenjin are fearsome fighters my friend. Do not provoke them. Those arrows evicted 600K people in a 3 days. Kibaki called Annan and shared power.
Continue burying your head in the sand. Tigray(kalenjin :D) bit more than they can chew,this is not the 90s son. If the military doctrine you applying here is what the kalenjin worriers do then its really funny and ridiculous. Try that in 2022 and you will experience first hand the pain of the bullet. Mark you tigray had all heavy equipment while you just have arrows. My friend kalenjin will be liquidated we will deal with you perpendicularly
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Who has told you tigray has retreated without any loses do you listen to your head before posting?I have graphic images of tigray decimated today around kombolcha. This war has costed tigray about 80k fighers.
You take war as a kind of childs play. My friend you have never been in proper war zone to see what you post here as lunacy.
Tigray can never recover soon from the loss of fighters their population is too small for that. They need to dig in and wait for federal forces they cant relaunch counter attacks.
Once bitten twice shy Ethiopians remember how TPLF fought and thats this time they were ready for them and thats why I always tell you. This time Kikuyu are ready for you,go pick the arrows in August 22 and you will see the outcome. You will succeed only in dealing with doadoas inside your majani chai farms.
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But I have been following the news too :) - Maybe there was fighting in Kombolocha...but in many other areas...TDF retreated with almost no fight.
Please provide evidence of Tigray loses - in soldiers and weapons.
So far I have seen 10 tanks loss - and very minimal body loses....almost zero captured soldiers.
You saw how TDF massacred half the Ethiopia army - and took their weapons in June. That was too much of a loss...and now Abiy is depending on militia, rebels and citizens.
Has TDF been defeated :) of course not; This is just a retreat - to rearm and restrategize.
My friend as for war - dont start on kalenjin - I have seen the amazing traditional war infrastructure...you cannot beat it. If they upgrade weapons....just 1,000 guns...KENYA is over.
I am not aware of any community that can mobilize like Kalenjin can in almost an hour of a war cry - I am talking a millions of people transformed into war machine....each person has a role to play.
Who has told you tigray has retreated without any loses do you listen to your head before posting?I have graphic images of tigray decimated today around kombolcha. This war has costed tigray about 80k fighers.
You take war as a kind of childs play. My friend you have never been in proper war zone to see what you post here as lunacy.
Tigray can never recover soon from the loss of fighters their population is too small for that. They need to dig in and wait for federal forces they cant relaunch counter attacks.
Once bitten twice shy Ethiopians remember how TPLF fought and thats this time they were ready for them and thats why I always tell you. This time Kikuyu are ready for you,go pick the arrows in August 22 and you will see the outcome. You will succeed only in dealing with doadoas inside your majani chai farms.
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How I wish we bordered you and your arrows.
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You would have done what - come with machete :) and anger ya mkisii. My friend you can only defend Meru. Kalenjin use to wage wars 150-200KMs away. Our entire society was built on military - we did nothing - except fight and prepare to fight. Our only economic activity was to raid for cattle...nothing more nothing less. NJuri you cannot match Kalenjin in war....Kikuyus have now understood this...they thought Mau Mau war had prepped them...but Kalenjin different kettle fish...a marital society.
Kalenjin apart from few Maasai raids - were never under any attack - in fact an attack on Kalenjin had to come from other kalejin subtribes - but to imagine another tribe launching an attack :) - yeah they could defend themselves on many kalenjin assaults deep in their areas.
In fact I was speaking to South Sudanase - he told me kalenjin are South sudanse cousin Murle - they are tough cattle thieves.
Some people think Kalenjin were warrior slaves of Kush empire :) - before we decided to head south with somalis and oromos.
How I wish we bordered you and your arrows.
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1) Lost two key towns
2) TDF are saying it's tactical retreat.
3) Drones.
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You would have done what - come with machete :) and anger ya mkisii. My friend you can only defend Meru. Kalenjin use to wage wars 150-200KMs away. Our entire society was built on military - we did nothing - except fight and prepare to fight. Our only economic activity was to raid for cattle...nothing more nothing less. NJuri you cannot match Kalenjin in war....Kikuyus have now understood this...they thought Mau Mau war had prepped them...but Kalenjin different kettle fish...a marital society.
Kalenjin apart from few Maasai raids - were never under any attack - in fact an attack on Kalenjin had to come from other kalejin subtribes - but to imagine another tribe launching an attack :) - yeah they could defend themselves on many kalenjin assaults deep in their areas.
In fact I was speaking to South Sudanase - he told me kalenjin are South sudanse cousin Murle - they are tough cattle thieves.
Some people think Kalenjin were warrior slaves of Kush empire :) - before we decided to head south with somalis and oromos.
How I wish we bordered you and your arrows.
Pundit we only know Kalenjin as goat herders and runners nothing else. This illusion of Nandi resistance 200years ago and a few bandits in laikipia making you think you can wage war is delirious. Knock your head and tell me what sound is coming out but again lets wait for Aug 22 and Pray God this time Kikuyu won't have to call us for support because this time we will herd you and your goats to south Sudan where you came from. We are not the cowardly KDF GSU or police. You will feel pain of the panga. Always remember the panga in rwanda left your "hamitic " cousins 1M dead.
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Your people are getting a whipping in Laikipia - which is very close to Meru - what are you waiting for - take your sharpen panga - and see if you will survive war.
Running is very essential in war - that is one element that make Kalenjin very good fighters. Other critical aspect that made kalenjin very good warriors is ability to survive on very little meal for a long time. Kalenjin can feed on morsel of honey and meat - and fight you for days. Most of raids would take a week or so - because they were staged many miles away - and to survive you only carried dried meat and honey.
Then incredible patience and mental discipline. KDF are struggling in Laikipia and Westpokot because those guys can fight you for days surviving on honey and waiting until they have the advantage - to attack - and pulling back when they dont.
Pundit we only know Kalenjin as goat herders and runners nothing else. This illusion of Nandi resistance 200years ago and a few bandits in laikipia making you think you can wage war is delirious. Knock your head and tell me what sound is coming out but again lets wait for Aug 22 and Pray God this time Kikuyu won't have to call us for support because this time we will herd you and your goats to south Sudan where you came from. We are not the cowardly KDF GSU or police. You will feel pain of the panga. Always remember the panga in rwanda left your "hamitic " cousins 1M dead.
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Lets get back to main topic,you can start another topic "Kalenjin taking over Kenya" If you wish then we will discuss there.
As of now Tigray need to cut their losses and leak their wounds,its still a long war but Tigray region will be devastated ,Abiy will relish just blockading it and letting it rot then finally overun it.
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I am very versatile.
Yes on Tigrays - they have to are back to square one - not as bad as Tigray hills beyond Mekelle - but in Woldeya - they should be able to defend their position - the terrain is advantageous - for defensive position.
However having lost the Key highway - that they were using to strangle Adis Ababa - it's their time to be strangled - food/fuel/critical supplies
For now they have to look international aid to match Abiy who has gone shopping for drones from Middle east and China.
Tigrays should make a case to US/Egypt/Sudan to back them - and I am sure they will get arms. They especially need anti-aicraft missiles armed with best radar system - once they bring down a couple of Ethiopia planes - the war will be on parity - it will be down to ground troops.
Secondly considering the huge local population resistance - Tigrays 100K force is not enough to subdue them - they need to mobilize a milllion of soldiers - train them - and move down to almost colonize the Ethiopia regime.
Lets get back to main topic,you can start another topic "Kalenjin taking over Kenya" If you wish then we will discuss there.
As of now Tigray need to cut their losses and leak their wounds,its still a long war but Tigray region will be devastated ,Abiy will relish just blockading it and letting it rot then finally overun it.
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I thought Njuri was an idiot but he got it right on Tigray
Pundito and all his big head punditry lost
Of course war is dynamic but don't spew garbage and conviction
This is something he is doing on Ruto
Ruto is way ahead but his lead is not unassailable
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The war has not ended. I knew Tigray would beat Ethiopia gov even when Abbiy had carpet bombed Mekelle and send them to the hills for six months. That was last year. As we speak now Tigrays are still deep into Amhara region...and the tactical withdrawal doesnt mean defeat.
As for Raila - continue praying and hoping.
I thought Njuri was an idiot but he got it right on Tigray
Pundito and all his big head punditry lost
Of course war is dynamic but don't spew garbage and conviction
This is something he is doing on Ruto
Ruto is way ahead but his lead is not unassailable
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I thought Njuri was an idiot but he got it right on Tigray
Pundito and all his big head punditry lost
Of course war is dynamic but don't spew garbage and conviction
This is something he is doing on Ruto
Ruto is way ahead but his lead is not unassailable
My friend great minds can appear as idiots sometimes. If a million people say a foolish thing,its still a foolish thing to me,When it comes to war tactics that's one area am excellent not like Pundit a know it all. :(
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Dessie and Kombolcha have been recaptured by government troops. Tigrayian forces have started retreating. If tactical or not, psychologically it will damp the moral of Tigrayian troops. This is a war that cannot be won by either side. Best is a peace agreement and both sides make a retreat. It seems Abiy is ready to fight to the end, but the question is if the people around him think the same. I have my doubts.
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Yes it going to be long drawn war. Tigrays have retreated to the mountains - where it easy to defend positions.
Strategically for Tigray - instead of going to Adis - they need to go to Amhara HQ and capture that first - because Amhara forces are ones propping Abiy.
Dessie and Kombolcha have been recaptured by government troops. Tigrayian forces have started retreating. If tactical or not, psychologically it will damp the moral of Tigrayian troops. This is a war that cannot be won by either side. Best is a peace agreement and both sides make a retreat. It seems Abiy is ready to fight to the end, but the question is if the people around him think the same. I have my doubts.
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Tigray CAN'T counter attack now its out of the question and a direct ticket to vaporization. They need dig in consolidate and replenish,they are seriously short of manpower. Abiy has moved cautiously up North to avoid that counter attack so time frame for that is over. If tigray attack it will be now a new start all over.
Abiy on the other side will be doing the same but With an edge, he will use drones and airpower to continue to pound tigray positions and soften them up till when his army is refitted and ready to push into Tigray.
Pundit you lack simple military understanding. Why and how would Tigray go to Amhara HQ to gain what ?? :) You really cluless. Before thinking that ask yourself what has tigray lost in terms of fighters,officers, territory and equipment to be able to go on offensive
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Confusion galore....Pundit ??Njuri ???
Military expert from the great Mountain Warriors.
We have two camps -
1) ENDF+Amhara and Afara regional forces+militia+pro-gov rebels.
2) TDF plus OLF and other secessionist forces all over Ethiopia.
I believe Tigray/OLF main objective is to force Adis gov either
1) To negotiate for secession - referendum and secession of Tigrays. If Abiy is willing to do that - Tigrays will cut their losses.
2) To take over Adis and then do a referendum.
3) Compromise is for Abiy to forget centralizing power and to decentralize power to federal regions - and make them almost independent. For Ethiopia to become United Republic of Ethiopia - where say Tigray is like Zanzibar and Tanzania..united only in name otherwise Zanzibar run it's own affairs.
So just sitting around in Tigrays or edges is not going to make Abiy negotiate.
For now - they will defend their territories - because they are now back up in mountains ( Terrain is important in war).
They will rebuild their forces - Ethiopia and Amhara+Afar will similarly prepare.
Once they are ready - there will be clash as Tigray forces will push forward.
Do they push forward towards Adis Ababa or do they push forward towards the Amhara region.
If Oromo forces are strong - pushing for Adis Ababa is easy - because of the alliance.
If not - they cannot head to Afar - because it's flat terrain and also Eritreas can easily play there.
So for me - if I was Gen Tsakdan - I would head for Amhara regional HQ and topple their gov - beat the Amhara regional forces - especially if OLF can push towards Amhara. Then push for Adis from the west side.
I dont think they will repeat the same quick run for Adis (especially with massive anti-tigray sentiments)...the last civil war lasted 16yrs - so expected for a long nasty war.
Your long post is null and void simply because you don't explain where and when Tigray will source for new fighters,officers and new military hardware to launch an offensive before Abiy does, Sorry pundit but you sound like in elementary school :) on the other side Abiy has endless resources of the same.
Actually main risk i see for Abiy is religion,if Tigray can stir up a religious war as in Muslims(Turkey,UAE drones) are killing Christian s then maybe they would gain some support.
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Njuri kwani you killed all tigrey men already..at six million people they can raise a million soldiers.In six months they trained 100k.Secondly it's in Egypt and Sudan interest to find an endless civil war to stop the damming of Nile.The US already seem against Abiy as he has run to China.Tigray will get arms .They have huge reserve of men to join their army..key difference is efficiency from training..and that is probably why they are retreating.They are going to enlist and many tigray men who are going to be fighting to the death because this an existential threat to them.AS I TOLD TIGRAYAN WITHDREW WITHOUT ANY MAJOR LOSSES
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Confusion galore....Pundit ??Njuri ???
Military expert from the great Mountain Warriors.
We have two camps -
1) ENDF+Amhara and Afara regional forces+militia+pro-gov rebels.
2) TDF plus OLF and other secessionist forces all over Ethiopia.
I believe Tigray/OLF main objective is to force Adis gov either
1) To negotiate for secession - referendum and secession of Tigrays. If Abiy is willing to do that - Tigrays will cut their losses.
2) To take over Adis and then do a referendum.
3) Compromise is for Abiy to forget centralizing power and to decentralize power to federal regions - and make them almost independent. For Ethiopia to become United Republic of Ethiopia - where say Tigray is like Zanzibar and Tanzania..united only in name otherwise Zanzibar run it's own affairs.
So just sitting around in Tigrays or edges is not going to make Abiy negotiate.
For now - they will defend their territories - because they are now back up in mountains ( Terrain is important in war).
They will rebuild their forces - Ethiopia and Amhara+Afar will similarly prepare.
Once they are ready - there will be clash as Tigray forces will push forward.
Do they push forward towards Adis Ababa or do they push forward towards the Amhara region.
If Oromo forces are strong - pushing for Adis Ababa is easy - because of the alliance.
If not - they cannot head to Afar - because it's flat terrain and also Eritreas can easily play there.
So for me - if I was Gen Tsakdan - I would head for Amhara regional HQ and topple their gov - beat the Amhara regional forces - especially if OLF can push towards Amhara. Then push for Adis from the west side.
I dont think they will repeat the same quick run for Adis (especially with massive anti-tigray sentiments)...the last civil war lasted 16yrs - so expected for a long nasty war.
Your long post is null and void simply because you don't explain where and when Tigray will source for new fighters,officers and new military hardware to launch an offensive before Abiy does, Sorry pundit but you sound like in elementary school :) on the other side Abiy has endless resources of the same.
Actually main risk i see for Abiy is religion,if Tigray can stir up a religious war as in Muslims(Turkey,UAE drones) are killing Christian s then maybe they would gain some support.
Sorry the admins need to adjust the settings this new tools are a total mess my quote was as below of course pundit lacks the intelligence to post such
Your long post is null and void simply because you don't explain where and when Tigray will source for new fighters,officers and new military hardware to launch an offensive before Abiy does, Sorry pundit but you sound like in elementary school :) on the other side Abiy has endless resources of the same.
Actually main risk i see for Abiy is religion,if Tigray can stir up a religious war as in Muslims(Turkey,UAE drones) are killing Christian s then maybe they would gain some support.
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Abiy
Has,declared victory and returned back Addis where he has called neighboring countries to brief them. Seems this going to be a long civil war. I do not think Tigray has the muscle to defeat govt and its allies. One thing is for sure is that Ethiopia is weakened and will never be the same again. Abiy dream of centralized power is gone. If he tries that again the regional forces can take Arms and kick endf out.
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Abiy
Has,declared victory and returned back Addis where he has called neighboring countries to brief them. Seems this going to be a long civil war. I do not think Tigray has the muscle to defeat govt and its allies. One thing is for sure is that Ethiopia is weakened and will never be the same again. Abiy dream of centralized power is gone. If he tries that again the regional forces can take Arms and kick endf out.
Does that mean he now consider tigray independent.. because the objective last year was to make them bow to him.He need to negotiate for Zanzibar like union with Tigrayan... respect the constitution of Ethiopia that allows any federal gov to secede and organize a referendum.The same need to happen to other region..it has to be a union of states like USa and Tanzania
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Crowns who dont grasp military issues. War is not like politics where you draw a MOASS. :) Kupigia mbuzi guitar I quit.
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Crowns who dont grasp military issues. War is not like politics where you draw a MOASS. :) Kupigia mbuzi guitar I quit.
Politics and war are twins..not even cousin your mountain crown coward.War is fought to achieve a political objective
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Crowns who dont grasp military issues. War is not like politics where you draw a MOASS. :) Kupigia mbuzi guitar I quit.
Politics and war are twins..not even cousin your mountain crown coward.War is fought to achieve a political objective
No sooner will a camel pass through a Needle's eye than Pundit will post any military sense.
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If this is true then means the communication and coordination from Tigray to the frontline is totally broken.
Getachew Reda, TPLF’s spokesman, accused the national forces of bombing a crucial hydroelectric dam on the Tekeze river, plunging Tigray’s capital Mekele into darkness as the dam is the main supplier of electricity.
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/rest-of-africa/ethiopia-pm-abiy-defends-going-to-frontline-3637652
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Kwani radio uses electricity. Gen Tsakdan and TPLF fought derg by innovating - building their own communication systems. Now with all the satelite phones and solar chargers..it easy. You just need 1000 sat phones...and you can coordinate your troops...if you dont want to build two way radio communication.
If this is true then means the communication and coordination from Tigray to the frontline is totally broken.
Getachew Reda, TPLF’s spokesman, accused the national forces of bombing a crucial hydroelectric dam on the Tekeze river, plunging Tigray’s capital Mekele into darkness as the dam is the main supplier of electricity.
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/rest-of-africa/ethiopia-pm-abiy-defends-going-to-frontline-3637652
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From his interview with The Elephant he has been running a modern military which requires power. Effective command and military command will require power or serious generators to have hands on the foot soldiers unless you operate in small bands like Al Shaitan or Niger Delta militias.
https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/07/09/tigray-crisis-a-conversation-with-general-tsadkan-gebretensae-tigray-defense-force-central-command/
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I see it more as punishing Tigray people by throwing them into darkness...otherwise military wise...KDF in Somalia do not need electricity to fight...and if they need..they can always buy solar or generators...probably for the commander. Otherwise setting up two way radio system is easy. Abiy already bombed and shut down all mobile communication....internet...anything...
From his interview with The Elephant he has been running a modern military which requires power. Effective command and military command will require power or serious generators to have hands on the foot soldiers unless you operate in small bands like Al Shaitan or Niger Delta militias.
https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/07/09/tigray-crisis-a-conversation-with-general-tsadkan-gebretensae-tigray-defense-force-central-command/
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Needing electricity :o now that bogus.
Anyways Abiy has called all East African leaders and told them that he has"vanquished the demonic forces of the tigray and all business is back to normal" needless to say now the EAC leaders look into him with awe, possibly arrogant Abiy wants to cultivate himself to emperor :)
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He can end this war by allowing TDF to run Tigray. He just need push TDF out of Amhara land. Then they can come de-facto independent state.
His victory lap is therefore strange...unless he already negotiated to let TDF run their corner.
TDF pull out it's turning out the airforce did not attack them - as they pulled out of many cities in long flanks - and there was barely any fighting.
So maybe there is handshake that is ongoing.
Needing electricity :o now that bogus.
Anyways Abiy has called all East African leaders and told them that he has"vanquished the demonic forces of the tigray and all business is back to normal" needless to say now the EAC leaders look into him with awe, possibly arrogant Abiy wants to cultivate himself to emperor :)
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Tigray forces takes Lalibella and Gashena. Look like Njuri mountain warriors (real) are going to teach Abbiy some more lesson in the mountains first before they head back to Adis.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/12/tigray-rebels-retake-ethiopian-heritage-town-of-lalibela
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When I said this - the vitrol
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Baby Abiy back to battlefield
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Appears that the second round has begun for mekelle. I don't quite understand what's Abiy strategy is but of course drones will be main feature. As stated before tigray lost alot of fighters in going for addis,they dont have the numbers or equipment any longer so my guess is Abiy has decided to strike them before they can replenish and equip there ranks this will be a very ferocious battle through the mountains of Tigray.
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You miraa customer again is lying to you. The last few days the power has shifted back to TDF. Turn out the Chinese and Turkish drones have 200Km limit. Therefore the tactical retreat from TDF now make sense and unless baby Abiy move with his drones and their turkish pilots deep inside Ethiopia - he is going to be beaten...
Tigray forces seem to be headed for Amhara regional HQ - the Bar Dar - like I predicted - they seem to have decided against going to Adis Ababa - but going for Amhara HQ first as the drones cannot reach there.
If Abiy is a fool enough to go to Mekelle - he will be trapped and finished - before he get to woldeya.
Appears that the second round has begun for mekelle. I don't quite understand what's Abiy strategy is but of course drones will be main feature. As stated before tigray lost alot of fighters in going for addis,they dont have the numbers or equipment any longer so my guess is Abiy has decided to strike them before they can replenish and equip there ranks this will be a very ferocious battle through the mountains of Tigray.
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US Wont allow for the full destruction of TPLF rather they will keep them alive to destabilize the HOA and Ethiopia whenever they feel like. But TPLF days in Ethiopia are gone.
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US and TPLF are not friends - unless you mean Tigray are Jews :).
If Abiy does a clean job in Tigray and take a clean shot on TPLF avoiding civilian causalities; nobody will give a damn about Tigray.
The problem is Abbiy and Ethiopians want to commit genocide against Tigray - and few people will allow that.
Abiy has to professionally fight TPLF - reduce civilian causalities - avoid mass graves - allow UN food aid to flow - allow medicine to flow - and engage TPL fighters.
If he does that - and beat them - that is clean war that US and EU will have no problem with - combatants versus combatants.
Ethiopia gov already enjoy disproportionate advantage in everything - troops, money, ability to procure weapons, air force - it has no excuse to fight like bunch of rebels
US Wont allow for the full destruction of TPLF rather they will keep them alive to destabilize the HOA and Ethiopia whenever they feel like. But TPLF days in Ethiopia are gone.
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Abiy has a personal vendetta with Tigray. I would say he is quite vengeful given a chance he would exterminate them,I think the war was an excuse for this. Abiy has a very big ego he wants to be emperor of Ethiopia, actually I just heard that his mum had told him he dreamt of him becoming the 7th emperor of Ethiopia.
But Abiy and Ruto are quite similar in some ways. Ruto has a deep seated hatred for Luos,this alone is nothing but given a chance when he is president he won't hesitate to mow them down
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Baby Abiy after the TPLF attempted to murder him - his first few days in office - there was an attempted assisination - has been on a mission to cut Tigrays to size.
TPLF were angry when he made peace deal with Oromos militias...without involving them.
After trying to shoot him - he went to Eritrea and made peace...knowing Eritrea hated TPLF.
From there it's been a question of when TPLF and Abiy will go for showdown.
Previous PM was TPLF lackey - and knew when not to cross the line.
TPLF put Abiy to placate Oromos militia - but he wasnt suppose to make any decision.
Why on earth would Ruto hate Luos?
I am not aware of any Kalenjin who hate Luos - Kikuyus and other kabilas who are new in rift valley the relationship is difficult - but btw Kalenjin, Luos, Gusii, Luhyas, and Maasai...the relationship is centuries old. It's like kikuyus and Maasai.
Most kalenjin see Luos as their nilotic brothers who are a little bit cowardly. It doesnt graduate to hatred. The worse it goes is despise. Ruto definitely despise Raila and his Luo elite - because he thinks they dont have what it takes to get power.
Otherwise if they are people who dont fight beyond 2 hours then it's Luo-Kalenjin. Luo-Kalenjin war end swiftly. There is almost no massacres or heavy losses because Luos generally will raise the white flag and Kalenjin will leave them alone.
Ruto will attack Raila because he is main opponent and because gema love it.
Ruto himself - ancestry is Kuria-Gusii - very recent. Some Kalenjin proudly wear their Gusii, ogiek, maasai and luhya ancestry - keeping their old names - and like most nilotic people - knowing their genacological to centuries before
Abiy has a personal vendetta with Tigray. I would say he is quite vengeful given a chance he would exterminate them,I think the war was an excuse for this. Abiy has a very big ego he wants to be emperor of Ethiopia, actually I just heard that his mum had told him he dreamt of him becoming the 7th emperor of Ethiopia.
But Abiy and Ruto are quite similar in some ways. Ruto has a deep seated hatred for Luos,this alone is nothing but given a chance when he is president he won't hesitate to mow them down
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I dont really think you and luos are "friendly",tell us about murder of Robert Ouko and others. Are Luos okay with this? i doubt.
Again also explain to your cousins the Somalis about wagalla massacre,have they forgotten? Are undertaken under Baba Mois leadership.
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It's simply like Maasai-Kikuyu or Samburu-Meru - You can fight, people can die, but people dont hate each other - because it always been like that - people fight - they intermarry - they trade - they following day Luo is in Kalenjin land - and Kalenjin in Luo land.
Now when it come to GEMA-Kalenjin - it's a little more complicated - because you guys are basically strangers in rift valley. You jumped over Maasai straight to Kalenjin...and suddenly people are meeting "strange" people?
Who are these people digging the land like it their life depend on it :) Who the hell is digging at noon when sun is so hot? Then we hear they are Njuri Njeke :) And these people really likes beans :)
We did not know you before arrival of Mzungu. You're strangers in our midst. The same for you guys - you saw the 1st Kalenjin probably with arrival of British.
This is why peace deal is very important btw Kalenjin- gema - because without that - relationship can go south very fast.
I dont really think you and luos are "friendly",tell us about murder of Robert Ouko and others. Are Luos okay with this? i doubt.
Again also explain to your cousins the Somalis about wagalla massacre,have they forgotten? Are undertaken under Baba Mois leadership.
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Njuri Njeke, according to my grandfather, when kikuyus arrived in rift valley, in early 1920s, to dig mzungu farm, it was a spectacle. Mzungu had allowed Kikuyu workers to build huts in edge of mzungu farm - and they work tirelessly digging the farm. Kalenjin thought are they burrow rats? Kalenjin then were reluctantly crazing their cows on edge of Mzungu white highlands - in exchange of giving out their bulls - to be tied together - and to be used to dig. Mzungu then taught Kalenjin how to drive the oxens - COME (COM - that what we say no), GO, TURN - meanwhile Kikuyus were digging like possesed people - the whole day - before retiring to their manyattas full of huts. Some Kalenjin were eventually allowed to live in edges of Mzungu farm but generally majority had to go back to native reserves to retire the night there.
Come 1935-1940 - Mzungu brought tractors - Kalenjin were the 1st to be fired. You oxen are no longer needed. Get out of the farm. They got out and lived in edges - native reserve borders - and some started going for irregular digging too alongside Kikuyus.
Eventually Mzungu brought even bigger machinery - now Kikuyus were kicked out enmasse too - manual digging declared redudant too - in circa 1950s - and they reached central to find there was no where to go - and decided okay enough - we have to fight for our land. With Mau Mau - few kikuyus left in RV - were shipped out as Mzungu considered them a security threat.
Come 1960s with Kenyatta winning presidency - an avalanche of kikuyus descended back - to rift valley - this time as land owners. Other tribes soon followed - Gusii, Luhyas, Luos - and it only stopped in 1970s - and completely in 1980s.
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It's simply like Maasai-Kikuyu or Samburu-Meru - You can fight, people can die, but people dont hate each other - because it always been like that - people fight - they intermarry - they trade - they following day Luo is in Kalenjin land - and Kalenjin in Luo land.
Now when it come to GEMA-Kalenjin - it's a little more complicated - because you guys are basically strangers in rift valley. You jumped over Maasai straight to Kalenjin...and suddenly people are meeting "strange" people?
Who are these people digging the land like it their life depend on it :) Who the hell is digging at noon when sun is so hot? Then we hear they are Njuri Njeke :) And these people really likes beans :)
We did not know you before arrival of Mzungu. You're strangers in our midst. The same for you guys - you saw the 1st Kalenjin probably with arrival of British.
This is why peace deal is very important btw Kalenjin- gema - because without that - relationship can go south very fast.
I dont really think you and luos are "friendly",tell us about murder of Robert Ouko and others. Are Luos okay with this? i doubt.
Again also explain to your cousins the Somalis about wagalla massacre,have they forgotten? Are undertaken under Baba Mois leadership.
Tigray border Amhara and Afar but they are killing and commit all kinds of atrocities. So bordering each other means nothing same case Hutus and Tutsis.
Trust me Luos are better off secure with GEMA than Kalenjin because normally GEMA are not vengeful
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Some societies have deeper unresolved issues that lead to genocide....but Kenya thankfully it not deep.
My friend if you ask any random Luo where he would rather go - it's Kalenjin - actually if Odinga was not there - most Luos will vote Ruto.
Luos call Kalenjin JaLango - basically our slighly less darker brother.
They call Luhya something akin to a stranger.
There is no way Kalenjin-Luo hatred can go beyond two hours. HAKUNA.
For both Luos and Kalenjin to trust GEMA...that takes a big leap of faith.
Even when Moi was pressing Luos hard - Moi was still 'Wuod Odongo" - the son of Odongo.
NJuri hapa mko shida kubwa sana - because if GEMA ever bring their head again :) - Kalenjin and Luo will merge so fast and beat you blue :) :)
Tigray border Amhara and Afar but they are killing and commit all kinds of atrocities. So bordering each other means nothing same case Hutus and Tutsis.
Trust me Luos are better off secure with GEMA than Kalenjin because normally GEMA are not vengeful
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Some societies have deeper unresolved issues that lead to genocide....but Kenya thankfully it not deep.
My friend if you ask any random Luo where he would rather go - it's Kalenjin - actually if Odinga was not there - most Luos will vote Ruto.
Luos call Kalenjin JaLango - basically our slighly less darker brother.
They call Luhya something akin to a stranger.
There is no way Kalenjin-Luo hatred can go beyond two hours. HAKUNA.
For both Luos and Kalenjin to trust GEMA...that takes a big leap of faith.
Even when Moi was pressing Luos hard - Moi was still 'Wuod Odongo" - the son of Odongo.
NJuri hapa mko shida kubwa sana - because if GEMA ever bring their head again :) - Kalenjin and Luo will merge so fast and beat you blue :) :)
Tigray border Amhara and Afar but they are killing and commit all kinds of atrocities. So bordering each other means nothing same case Hutus and Tutsis.
Trust me Luos are better off secure with GEMA than Kalenjin because normally GEMA are not vengeful
How do you explain Luos stoning Ruto in Kisumu the other day?
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Some societies have deeper unresolved issues that lead to genocide....but Kenya thankfully it not deep.
My friend if you ask any random Luo where he would rather go - it's Kalenjin - actually if Odinga was not there - most Luos will vote Ruto.
Luos call Kalenjin JaLango - basically our slighly less darker brother.
They call Luhya something akin to a stranger.
There is no way Kalenjin-Luo hatred can go beyond two hours. HAKUNA.
For both Luos and Kalenjin to trust GEMA...that takes a big leap of faith.
Even when Moi was pressing Luos hard - Moi was still 'Wuod Odongo" - the son of Odongo.
NJuri hapa mko shida kubwa sana - because if GEMA ever bring their head again :) - Kalenjin and Luo will merge so fast and beat you blue :) :)
Tigray border Amhara and Afar but they are killing and commit all kinds of atrocities. So bordering each other means nothing same case Hutus and Tutsis.
Trust me Luos are better off secure with GEMA than Kalenjin because normally GEMA are not vengeful
Forget Luo Kalenjin Unity is a mIrage just like Luhyas uniting which might come earlier :)