NCCK Proposes a Nusa Mkate

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LET US JOIN HANDS TO HEAL KENYA
PRESS STATEMENTa) Expansion of the Executive to provide for the President to appoint a Prime Minister and two Deputies as part of the Executive of the winning party or coalition. The Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Ministers will sit on the cabinet and may answer questions in Parliament. These positions can be ascribed other names.

We hasten to add that this is an expanded executive of the winning party or coalition and is NOT a Nusu Mkate arrangement. If coalitions are made with parties or individuals who ran for elections outside the winning party or coalition, it would be at the discretion of and under the unequivocal leadership of the elected president.

b) Restoration of the position of Leader of the Official Opposition as was in the old constitution and creation of the Deputy Leader of the Official Opposition in Parliament. These positions will be occupied by nominees of the political party or coalition which meets a set criteria who may be the Presidential Candidate and Running Mate who obtain the second highest number of votes in a Presidential Election. This is necessary if we are to provide dignity for the opposition and an effective and facilitated mechanism of holding the government to account.

CONCLUSION

We conclude by calling on Kenyans to tolerate each other and purpose to live in harmony. Let us focus on what brings us together and the unique opportunities presented that make Kenya stand out in this region. As we do that, we should always bear in mind that in order not to allow politics to divide us, we must deal with each other honestly and authentically without evading our contradictions. We must seize the available opportunities to entrench our democracy and operationalise both the letter and spirit of the Constitution of Kenya 2010.

God bless Kenya.
Signed on this 31st day of October 2017 at Ufungamano House, Nairobi.

Archbishop Mophat Kilioba
Chairperson, Programmes Committee

Rev Canon Peter Karanja
General Secretary

[vooke]

The problem with this proposal is , it is crafted with Babu( a strong and lone opposition figurehead) in mind.

What if in future we have 3 strong negroes forcing a runoff or something?
The loser of the runoff only beat second runners up by a handful of votes but still ends up enjoying all the perks of the office.

Babu is going away and we are not likely to have such an imposing ninja again

[Dear Mami]

I've seen this and everyone has promptly dismissed it questioning where these guys have been and where their minds are at that they would even think this is desirable/a good idea: no one is interested in a nusu-mkate after Kibaki-Raila term, it gives me a convulsion to be honest. Let them spare us their stale, been-there-done-that, johnny-come-lately ideas.

[vooke]

To their credit, they are alive to the fact that perhaps not even the fairest thrashing of Babu would satisfy his base hence the need to appease him.

[Dear Mami]

To their credit, they are alive to the fact that perhaps not even the fairest thrashing of Babu would satisfy his base hence the need to appease him.

If Raila accepts such a deal, he will promptly lose a significant chunk of his "base". Our tribalism may keep his fellow tribesmen supporting him but I don't see anyone else who is behind NASA as an alternative to the national disaster that is Jubilee staying.

[Ole]

Nusu mkate is the worst solution. What kenya needs is a credible elections and adhering to the rule of law where is somebody is defeated fairly he or she will accept the verdict.  Patchwork solutions won't ever solve our problems.

[MOON Ki]

Nusu mkate is the worst solution. What kenya needs is a credible elections and adhering to the rule of law where is somebody is defeated fairly he or she will accept the verdict.  Patchwork solutions won't ever solve our problems.

That's seems to be a rather limited view of "adhering to the rule of law".  And misplaced too.  Let's start with the "credible elections" part.   The IEBC had serious "issues". Significant matters that were raised in Chebukati's "show cause" memo to Chiluba have pretty much been swept under the rug.  Even now, I'm not surely that we have a full understanding of what really happened on 8/8. Proceeding from that to "rule of law", IEBC disobeyed a court order on their servers.   

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How do you have "credible elections and "adhering to the rule of law" when the very body charged with the elections is not so minded?   Once that one is sorted out,  "fair defeat" and "accept verdicts" and whatever will can be tackled.

It is possible that Raila lost on 8/8 or on 26/10, and it is possible that he won.    I really don't know.   But to say that IEBC has conducted credible elections ?!?!  On this planet?

As for the nusu-mkate: yes, a crappy idea.   Still, the petty squabbles between Raila and Kalonzo---RE pecking order---were amusing and provided numerous citizens with a distraction  from concerns about empty stomachs.   

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Nusu mkate is the worst solution. What kenya needs is a credible elections and adhering to the rule of law where is somebody is defeated fairly he or she will accept the verdict.  Patchwork solutions won't ever solve our problems.

That's seems to be a rather limited view of "adhering to the rule of law".  And misplaced too.  Let's start with the "credible elections" part.   The IEBC had serious "issues". Significant matters that were raised in Chebukati's "show cause" memo to Chiluba have pretty much been swept under the rug. Even now, I'm not surely that we have a full understanding of what really happened on 8/8. Proceeding from that to "rule of law", IEBC disobeyed a court order on their servers.   

<place carriage here> [HARNESS] <place horse here>   direction of travel: =>

How do you have "credible elections and "adhering to the rule of law" when the very body charged with the elections is not so minded?   Once that one is sorted out,  "fair defeat" and "accept verdicts" and whatever will can be tackled.

It is possible that Raila lost on 8/8 or on 26/10, and it is possible that he won.    I really don't know.   But to say that IEBC has conducted credible elections ?!?!  On this planet?

As for the nusu-mkate: yes, a crappy idea.   Still, the petty squabbles between Raila and Kalonzo---RE pecking order---were amusing and detracted numerous citizens from worries about empty stomachs.   

And we wont either.  We can't.  Because that would expose criminality(if it is not already apparent).  It's a vintage Kenyan(not even African)  way of doing things.  Do another one as ordered by the SCOK.  Because SCOK did not tell them to fix the mess, they will not even entertain the notion.  They can only do something right under penalty of legal retribution, and oftentimes, even that is not enough.

[RV Pundit]

IEBC conducted credible elections on 8.8 and 26th. That seem the verdict of everyone except SCORK who focussed on "processes" and relied on forged report. I mean you have an election with biometric data, with votes,pbservers,media and agents allowed to vote and watch everything, votes transmitted as text, scanned images and finally physical form.

Elog and everyone else who did random sampling of IEBC data came with same conclusion.

What IEBC are dealing with is mistrust - and the lesson they have learnt is that more transparency and accountability - have media,agents and observers watching everything - and share everything.

As regard to this NCCK proposal - let them collect signatures and we have a referendum - that only way to ammend Raila 2010 constitution . The people of kenya will decide through a referendum how they will be govern - we cannot kowtow to Raila or any bitter loser mutating demands.

[vooke]

Watched NASWA and Jubilee trade accusations over the ownership of this idea.

NASWA dude claims NCCK is basically from Mt Kenya so it must be Jubilee damu. Jubilee guy argues that is very CLOSELY resembles NASWA ideas

[Dear Mami]

Watched NASWA and Jubilee trade accusations over the ownership of this idea.

NASWA dude claims NCCK is basically from Mt Kenya so it must be Jubilee damu. Jubilee guy argues that is very CLOSELY resembles NASWA ideas

They shouldn't have to take ownership of it though. This idea is from outside political circles, IMHO. They think they are solving the issue the same way it happened in 2007/8. They forget it's a very different situation this time round.

[vooke]

Watched NASWA and Jubilee trade accusations over the ownership of this idea.

NASWA dude claims NCCK is basically from Mt Kenya so it must be Jubilee damu. Jubilee guy argues that is very CLOSELY resembles NASWA ideas

They shouldn't have to take ownership of it though. This idea is from outside political circles, IMHO. They think they are solving the issue the same way it happened in 2007/8. They forget it's a very different situation this time round.

[Georgesoros]

If Uhuru had left agencies be independent, such a mess could have been avoided. Killing Msando and then interfering with the agency has created a horrible mess.

[Empedocles]

Watched NASWA and Jubilee trade accusations over the ownership of this idea.

NASWA dude claims NCCK is basically from Mt Kenya so it must be Jubilee damu. Jubilee guy argues that is very CLOSELY resembles NASWA ideas

They shouldn't have to take ownership of it though. This idea is from outside political circles, IMHO. They think they are solving the issue the same way it happened in 2007/8. They forget it's a very different situation this time round.

[patel]

precisely...We have completely failed when it comes to free, fair, credible and verifiable elections. The only option left only option left is secession. The sooner people embrace secession the better it will be for everyone.

 

Nusu mkate is the worst solution. What kenya needs is a credible elections and adhering to the rule of law where is somebody is defeated fairly he or she will accept the verdict.  Patchwork solutions won't ever solve our problems.

That's seems to be a rather limited view of "adhering to the rule of law".  And misplaced too.  Let's start with the "credible elections" part.   The IEBC had serious "issues". Significant matters that were raised in Chebukati's "show cause" memo to Chiluba have pretty much been swept under the rug.  Even now, I'm not surely that we have a full understanding of what really happened on 8/8. Proceeding from that to "rule of law", IEBC disobeyed a court order on their servers.   

<place carriage here> [HARNESS] <place horse here>   direction of travel: =>

How do you have "credible elections and "adhering to the rule of law" when the very body charged with the elections is not so minded?   Once that one is sorted out,  "fair defeat" and "accept verdicts" and whatever will can be tackled.

It is possible that Raila lost on 8/8 or on 26/10, and it is possible that he won.    I really don't know.   But to say that IEBC has conducted credible elections ?!?!  On this planet?

As for the nusu-mkate: yes, a crappy idea.   Still, the petty squabbles between Raila and Kalonzo---RE pecking order---were amusing and provided numerous citizens with a distraction  from concerns about empty stomachs.   

[patel]

Its almost impossible for any upright Kenyan to perform their duties in Kenya. DP Ruto seemed to know more of what was happening at JBEC than the chairman.

 

If Uhuru had left agencies be independent, such a mess could have been avoided. Killing Msando and then interfering with the agency has created a horrible mess.

[Georgesoros]

Thats what the Pundits of Kenya don't seem to see. Either Kenyan follows the law or resort to what the Pundits advocate - "we are the law". The latter was practiced by Kenyatta and Moi and never worked.

Its almost impossible for any upright Kenyan to perform their duties in Kenya. DP Ruto seemed to know more of what was happening at JBEC than the chairman.

 

If Uhuru had left agencies be independent, such a mess could have been avoided. Killing Msando and then interfering with the agency has created a horrible mess.

[Empedocles]

Thats what the Pundits of Kenya don't seem to see. Either Kenyan follows the law or resort to what the Pundits advocate - "we are the law". The latter was practiced by Kenyatta and Moi and never worked.

Its almost impossible for any upright Kenyan to perform their duties in Kenya. DP Ruto seemed to know more of what was happening at JBEC than the chairman.

Ruto is the perfect hustler, spawned of Moi and KANU.

I'd reckon he's the most dangerous political thug in our country's history. Memories of 2008 and a box of matches. I shudder.