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Title: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
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Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2021, 11:46:26 AM
Tend to agree...zero freedom
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 20, 2021, 04:49:44 PM
Kikuyu and kalenjin leadership has given us the most corrupt, chaotic country in the world that cannot even provide the basics for civilization like reliable power, clean drinking water, basic healthcare and not death mills, modern transportation system devoid of chaos etc stop shifting the blame, Luos have never been in charge, they have voted for others even when leadership was theirs to take. The fact is Kikuyus gave birth to corruption, chaos and thievery. Kalenjins adopted it and completely became dependent on government largesse and handouts. Look at where we are headed now, wheelbarrow nation in a world that’s talking about next frontiers. Every Kenyan of goodwill have to wake up one day and decide it’s enough, we have to get better. This Ndii guy is obviously an intellectual with a lot of ideas, I think he was there when Raila was sworn in as people’s president, he was then heaping this kinds of insults to Kikuyus and uthamakism, what changed? If a personal of his intellect can get this brainwashed, what chance does an average Kenyan stand?
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 20, 2021, 07:22:33 PM
Ndii has gone full circle and become an anti-Luo tribal chauvinist wading deep into the politics of the foreskin and spewing the same epithets he once criticized his people for.    It's a sight to behold.   I hope he is okay.

Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kichwa on February 20, 2021, 08:45:30 PM
Ndii has completely lost it.

Ndii has gone full circle and become an anti-Luo tribal chauvinist wading deep into the politics of the foreskin and spewing the same epithets he once criticized his people for.    It's a sight to behold.   I hope he is okay.

Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 20, 2021, 09:13:55 PM


Ndii has gone full circle and become an anti-Luo tribal chauvinist wading deep into the politics of the foreskin and spewing the same epithets he once criticized his people for.    It's a sight to behold.   I hope he is okay.

Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 20, 2021, 09:31:17 PM
Ndii is bitter that he has lost to muthamaki and luos have refused to join him in the fight. The state capture is complete. Only idiots like Ndii think there is a way to fight state capture. Why would luos fight the govt? As on odingaism it is what it is. Raila captured Luos for himself and other tribes too has a kingpin that has his own cows. Rigjt now the place with a retiring tribal kingpin is central and that what all this bbi thing is about.

Ndii being a moron that believes in project kenya is still hoping he can rewind the clock of complete state capture
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on February 21, 2021, 05:09:28 AM
He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 21, 2021, 05:58:00 AM
He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.
Excatly..he is bitter. A situation like the one we are in can lead someone like him to go mad. The best way for a egomaniac like him to deal with such a situation is to disengage and wait the storm out. It is pathetic that the state has been captured completely by two ethnic groups. With raila decision not fight the state anymore we can say that nothing much will change for another 20 years. Ruto presidency is upon us. Kikuyus are going to make him president to spite uhuru and the rest of kenyans. The political power yeilded by kikuyus and kalenjins is too much and it ought to be checked even by a non state actor
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 06:24:50 AM
So Ndii becomes a political hack with an inflated ego ,when he speaks facts about Odingaism . When he was talking the same about Uhuru before Uhuru joined hands with Raila it was fair game .
No this here is the true defination of Odingaism . You will always go to Railas side regardless of any rational thinking

He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 06:34:02 AM
And what you say is what Ndii is trying to sensitize you guys .  Uhuru trying to safeguard Kenyatas expanded Ill gotten wealth since he became Finance Minister all through Presidency has decided to change the constitution so as he can have a say even during retirement , so that oligarchy can control the next president and inturn the president can control judiciary .  What Ndii is doing is activism , warning and trying to prevent this from happening. The next President is Ruto as you correctly say and he will be so powerful with a senate and parliamentary rubberstamp and controlling Judiciary through Ombudsman .
Well Uhuru is being aided by none other than Raila and Odingaism in mutilating the constitution . Instead of looking at his message you are attacking him for merely attacking Odingaism . Now thats what he is saying its the true definition of odingaism " a form of Most toxic ethnic mobilization"   

He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.
Excatly..he is bitter. A situation like the one we are in can lead someone like him to go mad. The best way for a egomaniac like him to deal with such a situation is to disengage and wait the storm out. It is pathetic that the state has been captured completely by two ethnic groups. With raila decision not fight the state anymore we can say that nothing much will change for another 20 years. Ruto presidency is upon us. Kikuyus are going to make him president to spite uhuru and the rest of kenyans. The political power yeilded by kikuyus and kalenjins is too much and it ought to be checked even by a non state actor
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 07:17:48 AM
Odingaism has reduced the great Luo nation to political slavery and its attendant socioeconomic destruction.Democrazy is alien there.South Nyanza are starting to break free and question odingaism...that has ruled Luo political space since 1940s.If you check socio economic indicators the Luos is doing badly and seem destined to life of poverty in urban slums all over Kenya.On the opposite end the GEMA nation is doing extremely well..exiting slums and poverty.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 21, 2021, 08:09:57 AM
And what you say is what Ndii is trying to sensitize you guys .  Uhuru trying to safeguard Kenyatas expanded Ill gotten wealth since he became Finance Minister all through Presidency has decided to change the constitution so as he can have a say even during retirement , so that oligarchy can control the next president and inturn the president can control judiciary .  What Ndii is doing is activism , warning and trying to prevent this from happening. The next President is Ruto as you correctly say and he will be so powerful with a senate and parliamentary rubberstamp and controlling Judiciary through Ombudsman .
Well Uhuru is being aided by none other than Raila and Odingaism in mutilating the constitution . Instead of looking at his message you are attacking him for merely attacking Odingaism . Now thats what he is saying its the true definition of odingaism " a form of Most toxic ethnic mobilization"   

He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.
Excatly..he is bitter. A situation like the one we are in can lead someone like him to go mad. The best way for a egomaniac like him to deal with such a situation is to disengage and wait the storm out. It is pathetic that the state has been captured completely by two ethnic groups. With raila decision not fight the state anymore we can say that nothing much will change for another 20 years. Ruto presidency is upon us. Kikuyus are going to make him president to spite uhuru and the rest of kenyans. The political power yeilded by kikuyus and kalenjins is too much and it ought to be checked even by a non state actor

What is stopping ruto with his movement from campaigning to stop BBI? You are so deluded to think a rich family like Kenyatta one needs a constitution to safeguard their interests. The Kenyattas will be having say in Kenya for a longtime to come. One thing you have to realize is that the Kenyatta enterprise does not need Uhuru to exist or to survive. It just needs Kenya to exist. Uhuru the way he is looking will be lucky to live 10 years after retirement. He seems like someone with a serious gastric problem so he may not be living for a longtime.  As for Raila he is looking for power not to be a Constitutional expert. If it means he will have to shred the constitution to get to power then he will. All politicians want is power. They do not seek office for altruistic reasons.

Anyway there is nothing in all the camps for the peasants. What Raila did with handshake is just end his fight for power using opposition. He joined the state. The slot for opposition is still open and it seems no one wants to take it. The Civil society that Ndii used to be a member is moribund and Ruto is still clinging on his dear life to stay in the State camp. This is an interesting time. Even in post 1997 we had Ngilu and Kibaki holding fort for the opposition. Now there is no opposition.  Kenyan succession elections are usually decided 6 to 9 months before GE. Next year at around February we will know for sure what will happen as for now anything can happen.

As for Odingas political dominance in Luo Nyanza, this is the last 5 years before Raila is out of the scene for good. He is one stroke or pneumonia from being a cabbage and it is over for him. You can see now he is walking with a wobble. Age is finally catching up with him. Given that his dad lived to 85, I give Raila another 5 years and he will be senile like Jaramogi and spend another decade just being used as a prop. 

Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 08:12:41 AM
Raila can finish Kenyatta family wealth in one year. If Kenyatta were to stupid to disagree with President Raila - and their wealth will evaporate overnight - either legally or illegally. Squattors will invade their land holdings. That requires a single day - and land subdivided into slums. Ask late Kirima how he lost 100 acres in a month to Luos under Kidero protection - they simply took over the land - and subdivided - and armed themselves with stones - and now it's over. The Kirima did kill the lead Luo man but land is gone forever . Next is for companies to be bankrupted.


What is stopping ruto with his movement from campaigning to stop BBI? You are so deluded to think a rich family like Kenyatta one needs a constitution to safeguard their interests. The Kenyattas will be having say in Kenya for a longtime to come. One thing you have to realize is that the Kenyatta enterprise does not need Uhuru to exist to survive. It just needs the Kenya to exist. Uhuru they way he is looking we be lucky to live 10 years after retirement. He seems like someone with a serious gastric problem so he may not be living for a longtime. Uhuru is just being misled that he needs to protect GEMA from rogue executive. As for Raila he is looking for power not to be Constitional expert. If it means he will have to shred the constitution to get to power then he will. A politicians want is power. They do not seek office for altruistic reasons.


Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 21, 2021, 08:31:29 AM
He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.

Yep.  And you'd wait a few days before you saw anything from him.  Now it's just shitposting with the rest of them.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 21, 2021, 08:33:14 AM
Raila can finish Kenyatta family wealth in one year. If Kenyatta were to stupid to disagree with President Raila - and their wealth will evaporate overnight - either legally or illegally. Squattors will invade their land holdings. That requires a single day - and land subdivided into slums. Ask late Kirima how he lost 100 acres in a month to Luos under Kidero protection - they simply took over the land - and subdivided - and armed themselves with stones - and now it's over. The Kirima did kill the lead Luo man but land is gone forever . Next is for companies to be bankrupted.


What is stopping ruto with his movement from campaigning to stop BBI? You are so deluded to think a rich family like Kenyatta one needs a constitution to safeguard their interests. The Kenyattas will be having say in Kenya for a longtime to come. One thing you have to realize is that the Kenyatta enterprise does not need Uhuru to exist to survive. It just needs the Kenya to exist. Uhuru they way he is looking we be lucky to live 10 years after retirement. He seems like someone with a serious gastric problem so he may not be living for a longtime. Uhuru is just being misled that he needs to protect GEMA from rogue executive. As for Raila he is looking for power not to be Constitional expert. If it means he will have to shred the constitution to get to power then he will. A politicians want is power. They do not seek office for altruistic reasons.



You do not even know what you are talking about. Do you think Kenyatta rely on land holding to stay solvent. They are beyond that. Raila or any president cannot take on Kenyatta without damaging Kenyan economy. One thing you will realize is after August 2022 you will not see Uhuru again. he will make himself rare. Kenyattas are good in retreating and allowing their soft power work for them. The next president will get financing for campaigns from Kenyattas. Moi used to blackmail them during the 90s. They would contribute to his reelection. Kenyatta enterprise will run for another century. It is one of those things that you may have to undo Kenya to bankrupt.   


Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 12:19:48 PM
Nonsense. Their biggest asset is land. Raila can finish that in one day by inciting squattors to invade. Next for timsale is to kick them out of public forest. Dairy - Brookside - can be finished by boycot - and banks - by regulation on mobile money. Kenyatta family will have to support gov of the day like Wahinid do....they have to pay homage regurlarly. But now he is fix - because Ruto and Raila are weak like Moi - those two knows how to wield absolute power - and hence the panic in kenyatta empire - because they cannot control both.
Raila can finish Kenyatta family wealth in one year. If Kenyatta were to stupid to disagree with President Raila - and their wealth will evaporate overnight - either legally or illegally. Squattors will invade their land holdings. That requires a single day - and land subdivided into slums. Ask late Kirima how he lost 100 acres in a month to Luos under Kidero protection - they simply took over the land - and subdivided - and armed themselves with stones - and now it's over. The Kirima did kill the lead Luo man but land is gone forever . Next is for companies to be bankrupted.


What is stopping ruto with his movement from campaigning to stop BBI? You are so deluded to think a rich family like Kenyatta one needs a constitution to safeguard their interests. The Kenyattas will be having say in Kenya for a longtime to come. One thing you have to realize is that the Kenyatta enterprise does not need Uhuru to exist to survive. It just needs the Kenya to exist. Uhuru they way he is looking we be lucky to live 10 years after retirement. He seems like someone with a serious gastric problem so he may not be living for a longtime. Uhuru is just being misled that he needs to protect GEMA from rogue executive. As for Raila he is looking for power not to be Constitional expert. If it means he will have to shred the constitution to get to power then he will. A politicians want is power. They do not seek office for altruistic reasons.



You do not even know what you are talking about. Do you think Kenyatta rely on land holding to stay solvent. They are beyond that. Raila or any president cannot take on Kenyatta without damaging Kenyan economy. One thing you will realize is after August 2022 you will not see Uhuru again. he will make himself rare. Kenyattas are good in retreating and allowing their soft power work for them. The next president will get financing for campaigns from Kenyattas. Moi used to blackmail them during the 90s. They would contribute to his reelection. Kenyatta enterprise will run for another century. It is one of those things that you may have to undo Kenya to bankrupt.   



Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: gout on February 21, 2021, 12:35:15 PM
Any mwafrika is bound to be bitter about state capture given the shitty problems we have to deal with yet those with power, taxes and resources can only sing BBI shit. The issue is if my brother William; Wanjigis, Migunas, Sonkos can get such a brutal stick who are you?  If the likes of Jaramogi, Mboya's, Ouko's got it what can stop you from being declared a terrorist for sending some food money to your family and have your slum shacks seized?

Betrayals have no limits. And anybody okay with trumping of dignity is just myopic and naïve. 

Heck even ufool is bitter and ready to take the country down the cliff unless he gets his toys or we become his toys!
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kadudu on February 21, 2021, 01:18:50 PM
Am surprised that someone of Ndii's callibre can even bring up the subject of circumcision in any of his comments. It is so petty that someone with a bit of education like him should not ever bother to mention it.
Am now taking a new glimpse at the fellow and will be watching him very carefully.
 
Ndii has gone full circle and become an anti-Luo tribal chauvinist wading deep into the politics of the foreskin and spewing the same epithets he once criticized his people for.    It's a sight to behold.   I hope he is okay.

Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: gout on February 21, 2021, 01:45:44 PM
Politics of the foreskin has been pursued intellectually; sociologically by scholars. The noise is just hypocritical hiding of the head in the sand.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00020184.2018.1452850

http://oyungapala.com/politics-of-the-foreskin/
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 02:06:08 PM
They now celebrate and have forgiven Uhuru but were up in arms back then in Grandcoalition government when The same Uhuru used to defend Kibaki using the same terminology to describe Raila and his kinsmen

Politics of the foreskin has been pursued intellectually; sociologically by scholars. The noise is just hypocritical hiding of the head in the sand.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00020184.2018.1452850

http://oyungapala.com/politics-of-the-foreskin/
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: gout on February 21, 2021, 02:59:04 PM
This is the gist of Ndii's position. Only small boys will be bought over through sweets and then are thrashed. The cycle continues till they man up and stand up to the bully or have their own homestead.

They now celebrate and have forgiven Uhuru but were up in arms back then in Grandcoalition government when The same Uhuru used to defend Kibaki using the same terminology to describe Raila and his kinsmen

Politics of the foreskin has been pursued intellectually; sociologically by scholars. The noise is just hypocritical hiding of the head in the sand.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00020184.2018.1452850

http://oyungapala.com/politics-of-the-foreskin/
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 21, 2021, 03:05:59 PM
I think Uhuru with the handshake came to a eureka moment where he decided that Kenya is bigger than two tribes, it had nothing to safeguarding his family’s wealth which could have been guaranteed under his “ friend” Ruto if he supported him for 10yrs. Kikuyus think they have it good, they have played the reverse psychology to the tee and both sides are literally on their knees begging for their 5m votes. They thought the same with Moi, I am predicting here today that, they make Ruto president, he sorrounds himself with his greedy henchmen, all you have to do is listen to the chief Kaleo here, it will end in tears for the Kikuyus. In two years, they will be in the streets begging Luos and Raila to rescue them again after Kalenjins start going after eguity pank, maziwa, tea, coffee and all premier kikuyu enterprises, they are here to finish where Moi left. I will be here on this same site laughing my ass off. Before I sign off, I would like someone with a keen mind to list all the things Kalenjins have run to great success, I will start with Moi and Egerton university, they fought for control of this two great institutions, I hear kids at Moi university wipe their asses with walls and used masks.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 04:17:04 PM
We run marathon to great success. It takes incredible patience, discipline and hardwork to do that.
Anyway boy - Ruto has proven ready for the task - kenyans know Ruto can do it.

Your fear of Kalenjin nation is palpable. Sadly for you we are taking it. We are not going to negotiate because apart from Somalis and Okiek we are more kenyan than anyone else.

And if you attempt to rig - we will delete kenya from the map of Africa - and Kalenjin nation will become an independent nation :)

Moi handed over. Prepare to hand over power.

I think Uhuru with the handshake came to a eureka moment where he decided that Kenya is bigger than two tribes, it had nothing to safeguarding his family’s wealth which could have been guaranteed under his “ friend” Ruto if he supported him for 10yrs. Kikuyus think they have it good, they have played the reverse psychology to the tee and both sides are literally on their knees begging for their 5m votes. They thought the same with Moi, I am predicting here today that, they make Ruto president, he sorrounds himself with his greedy henchmen, all you have to do is listen to the chief Kaleo here, it will end in tears for the Kikuyus. In two years, they will be in the streets begging Luos and Raila to rescue them again after Kalenjins start going after eguity pank, maziwa, tea, coffee and all premier kikuyu enterprises, they are here to finish where Moi left. I will be here on this same site laughing my ass off. Before I sign off, I would like someone with a keen mind to list all the things Kalenjins have run to great success, I will start with Moi and Egerton university, they fought for control of this two great institutions, I hear kids at Moi university wipe their asses with walls and used masks.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kichwa on February 21, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
Hehehe, first of all, how do you wipe a whole country like Kenya out of the map of Africa with bows and arrows, and if you were able to, for the sake of a silly argument, how does that advance your cause?  You are finally losing it Pundito.  Relax.  Ruto is not going to be president and Kenya will be fine.

We run marathon to great success. It takes incredible patience, discipline and hardwork to do that.
Anyway boy - Ruto has proven ready for the task - kenyans know Ruto can do it.

Your fear of Kalenjin nation is palpable. Sadly for you we are taking it. We are not going to negotiate because apart from Somalis and Okiek we are more kenyan than anyone else.

And if you attempt to rig - we will delete kenya from the map of Africa - and Kalenjin nation will become an independent nation :)

Moi handed over. Prepare to hand over power.

I think Uhuru with the handshake came to a eureka moment where he decided that Kenya is bigger than two tribes, it had nothing to safeguarding his family’s wealth which could have been guaranteed under his “ friend” Ruto if he supported him for 10yrs. Kikuyus think they have it good, they have played the reverse psychology to the tee and both sides are literally on their knees begging for their 5m votes. They thought the same with Moi, I am predicting here today that, they make Ruto president, he sorrounds himself with his greedy henchmen, all you have to do is listen to the chief Kaleo here, it will end in tears for the Kikuyus. In two years, they will be in the streets begging Luos and Raila to rescue them again after Kalenjins start going after eguity pank, maziwa, tea, coffee and all premier kikuyu enterprises, they are here to finish where Moi left. I will be here on this same site laughing my ass off. Before I sign off, I would like someone with a keen mind to list all the things Kalenjins have run to great success, I will start with Moi and Egerton university, they fought for control of this two great institutions, I hear kids at Moi university wipe their asses with walls and used masks.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 05:09:43 PM
My friend you long inshas has not made a Luo president since 1960s. The only time a Luo became something - PM - was when Kalenjin with their arrows - shot their war to negotiating table - where eventually you cried and took crumbs - when Kibaki was on a wall. Now don't think we cannot upgrade weapon. We have the training. We can get the weapons if need be. That obviously is not small matter. But Ruto will win by far - otherwise civil war will on.

And most importantly - after trying since 1960s - why don't you sit down, relax and watch Ruto become PORK; he is already a heartbeat away; if Uhuru doesn't wake up tomorrow; he becomes PORK.

Hehehe, first of all, how do you wipe a whole country like Kenya out of the map of Africa with bows and arrows, and if you were able to, for the sake of a silly argument, how does that advance your cause?  You are finally losing it Pundito.  Relax.  Ruto is not going to be president and Kenya will be fine.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 21, 2021, 06:03:21 PM
Talk about an overblown perception of self, ati Kalenjins will burn the country down while all the other tribes watch. The only reason Kibaki gave in was because it was kikuyu vs all the other kabilas, a Raila strategy. This time, if Ruto loses, Kikuyus will shrug their shoulders and move on. Are you going to be fighting Kikuyus too? Try a civil war against all the other tribes and you will be blown back to Stone Age, if you are not already there with your wheelbarrow bullshit. If Ruto starts a class war of ati occupying land and taking over properties, he owns stolen stuff too, people will be sleeping at Weston hotel for free. You better tone down on the war bullshit, the election is still a long way to go.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 06:39:42 PM
Where were you in 1992. Kalenjin were small tribe fighting all tribes. Now it's 6.5m - maybe more gorilla. You're the one starting war by engaging in tribal politics. Ruto is engaged in class politics.And don't ever be lied that kikuyus are loved; if kalenjin start; the rest will finish.

My friend you don't want to continue with kalenjin this or that. Deal with Ruto AS INDIVIDUAL politician. But the moment you bring us Kalenjin - utalia sana. You bring anti-kalenjin propaganda - we wake up anti-kikuyu monster.

Mumezoa Jaluo who you deride as uncut; Now here we are guys who taught all of you how to cut and gave the bantus the ageset they are so proud of.

Talk about an overblown perception of self, ati Kalenjins will burn the country down while all the other tribes watch. The only reason Kibaki gave in was because it was kikuyu vs all the other kabilas, a Raila strategy. This time, if Ruto loses, Kikuyus will shrug their shoulders and move on. Are you going to be fighting Kikuyus too? Try a civil war against all the other tribes and you will be blown back to Stone Age, if you are not already there with your wheelbarrow bullshit. If Ruto starts a class war of ati occupying land and taking over properties, he owns stolen stuff too, people will be sleeping at Weston hotel for free. You better tone down on the war bullshit, the election is still a long way to go.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 21, 2021, 07:40:58 PM
Go ahead and wake the anti Kikuyu monster, I would care less. I am not sold on Kalenjin or Ruto leadership and will fight it to the end. In 1992 you had a dictator in charge with majority in police, AP, army and whatever. People were also not prepared to be slaughtered by neighbors they have coexisted with for decades. These days things are different, watu wameamuka, do not expect the same results. I am personally a pacifist, totally against war and chaos but if you threaten me or my family, be ready for the fight of your life.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 08:16:12 PM
How prepared are you for the next war..if Kenya police cannot handle few pokots..kalenjin.My friend be happy we have never armed our boys with guns.Youll all end up refugee camps .kalenjin are trained every year on warfare. It a way of life.You touch Ruto the entire kalenjin will rise.. how bad it gets will depend on the weapons..guns are easy to get..and the hard part of war infrastructure ..that kalenjin already exists..within an hour of a war cry kalenjin can raise 2m decently trained warriors and the entire society transformed into a war machine. THAT IS INCREDIBLE
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 08:22:11 PM


And what you say is what Ndii is trying to sensitize you guys .  Uhuru trying to safeguard Kenyatas expanded Ill gotten wealth since he became Finance Minister all through Presidency has decided to change the constitution so as he can have a say even during retirement , so that oligarchy can control the next president and inturn the president can control judiciary .  What Ndii is doing is activism , warning and trying to prevent this from happening. The next President is Ruto as you correctly say and he will be so powerful with a senate and parliamentary rubberstamp and controlling Judiciary through Ombudsman .
Well Uhuru is being aided by none other than Raila and Odingaism in mutilating the constitution . Instead of looking at his message you are attacking him for merely attacking Odingaism . Now thats what he is saying its the true definition of odingaism " a form of Most toxic ethnic mobilization"   

He has lost the plot, I was perplexed when he started toying with supporting Ruto considering his aversion to corruption. I stopped visiting his twitter page, siasa and insults are order of the day, gone are the days of dispassionate and sober economic analysis, he is a political hack now. Inflated ego, he let the public intellectual adulation his being showered with get to his head.
Excatly..he is bitter. A situation like the one we are in can lead someone like him to go mad. The best way for a egomaniac like him to deal with such a situation is to disengage and wait the storm out. It is pathetic that the state has been captured completely by two ethnic groups. With raila decision not fight the state anymore we can say that nothing much will change for another 20 years. Ruto presidency is upon us. Kikuyus are going to make him president to spite uhuru and the rest of kenyans. The political power yeilded by kikuyus and kalenjins is too much and it ought to be checked even by a non state actor

What is stopping ruto with his movement from campaigning to stop BBI? You are so deluded to think a rich family like Kenyatta one needs a constitution to safeguard their interests. The Kenyattas will be having say in Kenya for a longtime to come. One thing you have to realize is that the Kenyatta enterprise does not need Uhuru to exist or to survive. It just needs Kenya to exist. Uhuru the way he is looking will be lucky to live 10 years after retirement. He seems like someone with a serious gastric problem so he may not be living for a longtime.  As for Raila he is looking for power not to be a Constitutional expert. If it means he will have to shred the constitution to get to power then he will. All politicians want is power. They do not seek office for altruistic reasons.

Anyway there is nothing in all the camps for the peasants. What Raila did with handshake is just end his fight for power using opposition. He joined the state. The slot for opposition is still open and it seems no one wants to take it. The Civil society that Ndii used to be a member is moribund and Ruto is still clinging on his dear life to stay in the State camp. This is an interesting time. Even in post 1997 we had Ngilu and Kibaki holding fort for the opposition. Now there is no opposition.  Kenyan succession elections are usually decided 6 to 9 months before GE. Next year at around February we will know for sure what will happen as for now anything can happen.

As for Odingas political dominance in Luo Nyanza, this is the last 5 years before Raila is out of the scene for good. He is one stroke or pneumonia from being a cabbage and it is over for him. You can see now he is walking with a wobble. Age is finally catching up with him. Given that his dad lived to 85, I give Raila another 5 years and he will be senile like Jaramogi and spend another decade just being used as a prop.

You simply do not know how oilgarchy operates.  Kenyata Family became and Oligarchy under  Jommo regime ,with Ndegwas , Njonjos, Githunguris , , M01 family became Oligarchy under  Toroitichs regime. Usually the family has a political wing and a business wing. There is a reason why Moi chose Uhuru as his successor and there is a reason why Uhuru is restless as we speak. Just like Yelstin oligarchy in 2000 had to look for Putin and make him a President , Kenyas oligarchy have a preference to whom they can handover power . They have a line up  they have Option one, option two and option  three. In 2002 Kenyas then oligarchy preference was Uhuru a fellow oligarchy, They were comfortable if Kibaki bagged it too.
In 2013 the preferred option was Mudavadi and more than happy if Uhuru bagged it.

 Now coming back to  2022, Uhurus BBI strategy is driven by safeguarding the wealth Kinyatta family and cronies have created , Name a Ministry which they are not a big player - In Finance - They have NCBA, In Transport KQ and SGR , In tourist lots of hotels, in Health the leases which county governments are still paying the leases, In Minining he also have interests , In Export big players the family have negotiated exclusive rights as the only Kenyan companies with licenses to export horticulutre and brrf to middle east and Asia. In lands it well documented , The list can go on and on

Seems Uhurus oligarchy think the best option  is to be a player in 2022. He wants to have leverage in parliament and senate  where he will use the same tactic as he is using to have a say hence his push to have more MPs particularly in Kiambu, Nairobi and Nakuru  In his mind he thinks his party Jubilee will bag the current 50 constituencies in Mt Kenya and add on top of that around 30 additional from  Mt Kenya and its  diaspora  In senate he assumes around 24 seats will go with his party Jubilee. He will just whip Mps and senators to enter into negotiations and or advance his interests .Mainly appointees the Judiciary ombudsman and DCI and prosecutor Ministers and Deputy ministers posts  Seems he has also settled to put his puppet as PM and DPM.

Ruto is not interested in leading the No campaign simply because it does not add any value in his quest to be a president to play into his opponents hands and go for a contest and secondly as the president designate he is being handed more instruments/weapons  which is welcome to him.

In railas political calculation a contest is required to keep his quest for Presidency alive and he also though he would be able to divide GEMA and thus give him a chance against Ruto sadly he realizes this was miscalculation as the strategy not only was able to galvanize Mt Kenya under Ruto but also in so doing he lost a big chunk of Anti GEMA nation the coast provicne, Western Kissii etc.

Now back to Uhuru, if his BBI strategy fails either through courts , or in referendum by a loss or a boycot . He will default back to Ruto and negotiate an exit.

 
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 08:28:39 PM
I am still not sold about uhuru strategies..because he left BBI this far...it seem almost designed to fail.I think his priority still is to send us on a wild goose chase as he loots.Bbi seem to me just meant for NASA crew to keep them hopeful otherwise its going to hard for a referendum to happen this late.Huduma number alone took years to litigate..so this BBI requires two years to be taken round out judiciary
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 08:45:53 PM
Just as  you claim you are Fair and Balance and claim to be a Kikuyu , you are not . Below is a clear example. Please  its good to be proud of who you are be proud of your roots. The Pseudo nicknames and pretendance  wont help in advancing the Raila quest to presidency 


Kikuyu and kalenjin leadership has given us the most corrupt, chaotic country in the world that cannot even provide the basics for civilization like reliable power, clean drinking water, basic healthcare and not death mills, modern transportation system devoid of chaos etc stop shifting the blame, Luos have never been in charge, they have voted for others even when leadership was theirs to take. The fact is Kikuyus gave birth to corruption, chaos and thievery. Kalenjins adopted it and completely became dependent on government largesse and handouts. Look at where we are headed now, wheelbarrow nation in a world that’s talking about next frontiers. Every Kenyan of goodwill have to wake up one day and decide it’s enough, we have to get better. This Ndii guy is obviously an intellectual with a lot of ideas, I think he was there when Raila was sworn in as people’s president, he was then heaping this kinds of insults to Kikuyus and uthamakism, what changed? If a personal of his intellect can get this brainwashed, what chance does an average Kenyan stand?
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 08:51:49 PM

Fairandbalanced  now reread what you wrote again and tell me why you dont hail from Luo Nyanza.

I think Uhuru with the handshake came to a eureka moment where he decided that Kenya is bigger than two tribes, it had nothing to safeguarding his family’s wealth which could have been guaranteed under his “ friend” Ruto if he supported him for 10yrs. Kikuyus think they have it good, they have played the reverse psychology to the tee and both sides are literally on their knees begging for their 5m votes. They thought the same with Moi, I am predicting here today that, they make Ruto president, he sorrounds himself with his greedy henchmen, all you have to do is listen to the chief Kaleo here, it will end in tears for the Kikuyus. In two years, they will be in the streets begging Luos and Raila to rescue them again after Kalenjins start going after eguity pank, maziwa, tea, coffee and all premier kikuyu enterprises, they are here to finish where Moi left. I will be here on this same site laughing my ass off. Before I sign off, I would like someone with a keen mind to list all the things Kalenjins have run to great success, I will start with Moi and Egerton university, they fought for control of this two great institutions, I hear kids at Moi university wipe their asses with walls and used masks.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 09:27:02 PM


I am still not sold about uhuru strategies..because he left BBI this far...it seem almost designed to fail.I think his priority still is to send us on a wild goose chase as he loots.Bbi seem to me just meant for NASA crew to keep them hopeful otherwise its going to hard for a referendum to happen this late.Huduma number alone took years to litigate..so this BBI requires two years to be taken round out judiciary
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 09:51:52 PM
But why would he miss to plan for Okiya Omtatah.I am not convinced. WHEN MUSEVENI wanted to remove 70yrs limit he did it 5yrs before.Uhuru is aware that judiciary and political process need time..he would have done BBI the first year or 2nd
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2021, 10:24:55 PM

Number One, Uhuru just wants to control Parliament through proxy , same as Moi strategy when he wanted to cling as the Chairman of KANU after exit in 2002 , he wont attempt to remove 2 terms limit
 Secondly  Uhuru believes they have captured Judiciary  through 1- They control JSC through Presidential Nominees , Judicial activists and LSK reps, 2 Majority of Judges have Dirty Linen , they are scared as hell of ombudsman and any judge who will go against BBI will be thrown under the bus. 3 . Holds majority of the judges by their balls by refusing to approve their appointment . The next CJ might recall the names and decide to forward names of Judges implicated by NIS to JSC for investigation.

 However it might take only one brave Judge and BBI will be in disarray .  Back in 2001 It took one brave Somali Lawyer to call out corrupt Judges and within a year or so he spearheaded the Judiciary radical surgery.   

At the beginning Uhuru was not for a referendum but with time through advice of his cronies he saw it as an opportunity to safeguard their wealth. Initially the plan was to silence Raila amass wealth and rule without much noise . 

But why would he miss to plan for Okiya Omtatah.I am not convinced. WHEN MUSEVENI wanted to remove 70yrs limit he did it 5yrs before.Uhuru is aware that judiciary and political process need time..he would have done BBI the first year or 2nd
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2021, 10:42:25 PM
Not convinced because he is not naive to imagine the judiciary will just roll over.We will see.This one I believe he is doing to buy time.....by time omtatah is through with BBI it will be 2023.There is no referendum act we speak...so judiciary will have to guide the process .Why leave all these to last minute
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kadudu on February 22, 2021, 12:56:29 AM
 :D :D :D :D
Where apart from North Rift do Kalejins play any role? The heart of Kenya is Nairobi. What role do Kalejins play in Nairobi? I will not even mention Mombasa.
Pundit believes Kalejins can bring Kenya to standstill. Where does this man live?

We run marathon to great success. It takes incredible patience, discipline and hardwork to do that.
Anyway boy - Ruto has proven ready for the task - kenyans know Ruto can do it.

Your fear of Kalenjin nation is palpable. Sadly for you we are taking it. We are not going to negotiate because apart from Somalis and Okiek we are more kenyan than anyone else.

And if you attempt to rig - we will delete kenya from the map of Africa - and Kalenjin nation will become an independent nation :)

Moi handed over. Prepare to hand over power.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2021, 08:19:10 AM
Of course Kalenjin can bring kenya to standstill. RV borders all provinces except for North Eastern. If Kalenjin talk to it's natural allies in Kamatusa...Nairobi sio ni yetu pia:) Western and Nyanza we will hand it over to Museveni - Amin already wanted it. NEP will join Somalia and Boranas will go to Oromo Ethiopia. Coast will align with Zanzibar :) -pwani sio kenya nani. Mt kenya will become Kenya. Problem solved.

Kenya if it's unhappy we divorce. We will only have two country at end of this. The Great Rift Valley Nation of KAMatusa and Kenya of Mt Kenya+Ukambani. The rest will be given out to Tanzania, Somalia, Ethiopia and Uganda.

:D :D :D :D
Where apart from North Rift do Kalejins play any role? The heart of Kenya is Nairobi. What role do Kalejins play in Nairobi? I will not even mention Mombasa.
Pundit believes Kalejins can bring Kenya to standstill. Where does this man live?
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 22, 2021, 09:31:44 AM
All that for Ruto’s presidency? If Ruto becomes the president of Rift Valley, will it even have a big enough GDP for him to steal and leave some for his wheelbarrow folks? I also noticed that you always bring out the big bad cattle rustling Pokots, these Pokots have been beating your people for years and the government only comes in when you guys have been completely overwhelmed and run over. I am sure if the Pokots picked a war with the government itself, they will be beaten to a pulp in days, do you even have to fight these people? Shut off all the food and water sources and the idiots will come out crawling out of the bushes. On marathon running, it’s true you have great long distance running, African Americans have great athletes but you have to know that sports organization and management is a very complex affair it’s not just running from point A to B, Didn’t some guy(not his tribe) leave our Olympic athletes sleeping on the streets and even stole their uniforms?
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 22, 2021, 09:50:04 AM
Anyway, all this war talk is nonsense, it’s all anxiety talk. For now, the only person running and campaigning is Ruto. Raila the albatross has not told us what his intentions are, imagine that kazaring that will occur when the actual campaigns start. All we are doing here is offering opinions, in the grand scheme of things whatever we say here doesn’t matter and it’s presumptuous to think that we have the ability to control anything. There are people here who think Ruto is president already, I have a completely opposite view, Ruto will not be the next president of Kenya.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2021, 11:22:19 AM
Pokot beat Kenya police and KDF almost every year.Kalenjin proper is Nandi-Kipsigis - and they use to beat Pokot until they sing. Pokot are 3rd most populous. Then rest are really small subtribes. If Nandi-Kipsigis are given guns - kenya will be history in a few days. I hope you saw in 2007 the amount of damage done in 3 days!

All that for Ruto’s presidency? If Ruto becomes the president of Rift Valley, will it even have a big enough GDP for him to steal and leave some for his wheelbarrow folks? I also noticed that you always bring out the big bad cattle rustling Pokots, these Pokots have been beating your people for years and the government only comes in when you guys have been completely overwhelmed and run over. I am sure if the Pokots picked a war with the government itself, they will be beaten to a pulp in days, do you even have to fight these people? Shut off all the food and water sources and the idiots will come out crawling out of the bushes. On marathon running, it’s true you have great long distance running, African Americans have great athletes but you have to know that sports organization and management is a very complex affair it’s not just running from point A to B, Didn’t some guy(not his tribe) leave our Olympic athletes sleeping on the streets and even stole their uniforms?
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2021, 11:37:01 AM
All we ant is free and fair election - and peaceful handover to the Dr Ruto if he wins or Raila if he wins or even Matiangi. The rest of the lectures you can keep for yourself.

BBI, illegal swearing in, illegal appointment, refusal to obey court orders and the shenagians from Uhuru - is driving KENYA TO CIVIL WAR. Majority of GEMA people can see the drunkard is driving them to an edge..and has refused to board it. Only a few like you are supporting him.

And all I can do is sound the early warning bell.

Don't imagine the police and army will remain loyal to Uhuru - they could split along tribal lines - and kenya will be KAPUT. The same has happened in many other countries.

Be extremely careful when dealing with Ruto - because he commands kalenjin well trained army of youths - and there a million of our people - that will be first to get the retaliation. So play fair. If you play rough. They play rough.

Anyway, all this war talk is nonsense, it’s all anxiety talk. For now, the only person running and campaigning is Ruto. Raila the albatross has not told us what his intentions are, imagine that kazaring that will occur when the actual campaigns start. All we are doing here is offering opinions, in the grand scheme of things whatever we say here doesn’t matter and it’s presumptuous to think that we have the ability to control anything. There are people here who think Ruto is president already, I have a completely opposite view, Ruto will not be the next president of Kenya.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 22, 2021, 02:37:43 PM
Stop boasting about Kalenjins, your are horribly overstating and overestimating your strengths. A tribe like let’s say Luos and their supporters can make the country totally ungovernable without an army and that’s why Uhuru decided to go the BBI route. Is BBI a solution to all our ills? Heeeell no!!! But we can start by inclusions and therefore stopping the threats of violence every election cycle. If we go to elections in our current disposition, the losers will claim rigging, not accept the results etc remember, kalenjins are not the only ones represented in the armed forces.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2021, 02:42:43 PM
You just woke up to inclusion now? or you just want dilute power as it get out of your hand. GEMA elite game-plan is obvious. They have no candidate to win and want to make the next PORK job impossible. Tell you what if BBI passes and Ruto or Raila win - the first agenda will be to DELETE BBI - but obviousy it won't pass - Omtatah alone will block it at judiciary.

Let ignore the tribal banter for a moment - otherwise we know who calls the shots in that department.

Stop boasting about Kalenjins, your are horribly overstating and overestimating your strengths. A tribe like let’s say Luos and their supporters can make the country totally ungovernable without an army and that’s why Uhuru decided to go the BBI route. Is BBI a solution to all our ills? Heeeell no!!! But we can start by inclusions and therefore stopping the threats of violence every election cycle. If we go to elections in our current disposition, the losers will claim rigging, not accept the results etc remember, kalenjins are not the only ones represented in the armed forces.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 22, 2021, 02:49:18 PM
Fairandbalance , aint it funny that as RV boasts of Kalenjin you intun boast of Luo. Showing your true colours.  Why pretend to be someone who you are not.

Stop boasting about Kalenjins, your are horribly overstating and overestimating your strengths. A tribe like let’s say Luos and their supporters can make the country totally ungovernable without an army and that’s why Uhuru decided to go the BBI route. Is BBI a solution to all our ills? Heeeell no!!! But we can start by inclusions and therefore stopping the threats of violence every election cycle. If we go to elections in our current disposition, the losers will claim rigging, not accept the results etc remember, kalenjins are not the only ones represented in the armed forces.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 22, 2021, 03:30:07 PM
What is this guy’s obsession with my Kikuyuism. Ask anyone here, I was a horrible kikuyu supremacist for a long time. I supported Kibaki in all his presidency, I supported the duo in their first term with a lot of enthusiasm and hope but became horribly disappointed after it became the same thievery, mediocrity and chaos. In my history here, I have said things and come up with nicknames of the Luo tribe that I am really ashamed of. I do not know how long you have been here, I joined the old sites starting with the original Kenya talk around the end of Moi error, that’s almost twenty years here. We were here in the days of Oloo, Miguna, kichwa, Njamba, Omollo, Masinde, Ngina, Wakwitu, Njamba, Pundit and so many other. Ask these people who came up with nicknames like bonobos, Kaguta Ruto etc I used to be a vicious individual, human beings evolve, I do not see tribe anymore. It would be the height of hypocrisy to call out racists here while spreading tribal venom in Kenya, I have reversed sides with Ndii. I am also not sold on any tribal or mass supremacy, great things are achieved by individual effort. Most whites who claim supremacy here can hardly spell their names but take credit of all achievements by other white so it’s a really flawed philosophy. I look at most Kikuyus or Kalenjins, I do not see any quality that separates them from the other tribes or entitles them to leadership. I am not begging you to accept me as a kikuyu, I am happy belonging to the human tribe.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2021, 03:33:18 PM
Long inshas. You're a kalenjin (luo) hater and kikuyu supremacist. You don't even hate Moi - who sodomized your brain. You hate anybody that can challenge your supreme tribe. If Raila look likely to win - you'll start long Inshas that don't make sense.

As far as I remember you've really never made much sense. The mental contortion. Njamba yes is not a tribalist..but you.
What is this guy’s obsession with my Kikuyuism. Ask anyone here, I was a horrible kikuyu supremacist for a long time. I supported Kibaki in all his presidency, I supported the duo in their first term with a lot of enthusiasm and hope but became horribly disappointed after it became the same thievery, mediocrity and chaos. In my history here, I have said things and come up with nicknames of the Luo tribe that I am really ashamed of. I do not know how long you have been here, I joined the old sites starting with the original Kenya talk around the end of Moi error, that’s almost twenty years here. We were here in the days of Oloo, Miguna, kichwa, Njamba, Omollo, Masinde, Ngina, Wakwitu, Njamba, Pundit and so many other. Ask these people who came up with nicknames like bonobos, Kaguta Ruto etc I used to be a vicious individual, human beings evolve, I do not see tribe anymore. It would be the height of hypocrisy to call out racists here while spreading tribal venom in Kenya, I have reversed sides with Ndii. I am also not sold on any tribal or mass supremacy, great things are achieved by individual effort. Most whites who claim supremacy here can hardly spell their names but take credit of all achievements by other white so it’s a really flawed philosophy. I look at most Kikuyus or Kalenjins, I do not see any quality that separates them from the other tribes or entitles them to leadership. I am not begging you to accept me as a kikuyu, I am happy belonging to the human tribe.

Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 22, 2021, 03:46:35 PM
That’s your own subjective view, you and I live in a parallel worlds.  You actually do not make a lot of sense to me either. We are all forced to respond to you using tribal metrics because you cannot seem to be able to think beyond that. If for example I request people here to name one thing that Kalenjins have run successfully, it’s not tribal hate. I am just questioning your entitlement. I have zero hate for the regular Kale out there, that would be self defeating.There is a lot of bluster here and hyperbole, sometimes take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2021, 03:57:19 PM
So what has regular kale done for you to love them :). You're one of the most incorrigible people I know of.
That’s your own subjective view, you and I live in a parallel world. You actually do not make a lot of sense to me either. We are all forced to respond to you using tribal metrics because you cannot seem to be able to think beyond that. If for example I request people here to name one thing that Kalenjins have run successfully, it’s not tribal hate. I am just questioning your entitlement. I have zero hate for the regular Kale out there.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 22, 2021, 05:19:56 PM
What is this guy’s obsession with my Kikuyuism. Ask anyone here, I was a horrible kikuyu supremacist for a long time. I supported Kibaki in all his presidency, I supported the duo in their first term with a lot of enthusiasm and hope but became horribly disappointed after it became the same thievery, mediocrity and chaos. In my history here, I have said things and come up with nicknames of the Luo tribe that I am really ashamed of. I do not know how long you have been here, I joined the old sites starting with the original Kenya talk around the end of Moi error, that’s almost twenty years here. We were here in the days of Oloo, Miguna, kichwa, Njamba, Omollo, Masinde, Ngina, Wakwitu, Njamba, Pundit and so many other. Ask these people who came up with nicknames like bonobos, Kaguta Ruto etc I used to be a vicious individual, human beings evolve, I do not see tribe anymore. It would be the height of hypocrisy to call out racists here while spreading tribal venom in Kenya, I have reversed sides with Ndii. I am also not sold on any tribal or mass supremacy, great things are achieved by individual effort. Most whites who claim supremacy here can hardly spell their names but take credit of all achievements by other white so it’s a really flawed philosophy. I look at most Kikuyus or Kalenjins, I do not see any quality that separates them from the other tribes or entitles them to leadership. I am not begging you to accept me as a kikuyu, I am happy belonging to the human tribe.


I thought I was the only one that noticed this kind of hypocrisy.  How GEMA talking points sounded eerily like listening to Republicans back here and wondering if they(those in the US) can't make the connection of why nobody was buying it.  Better late than never.  If Kenya can't solve its Achilles heel of tribalism, everything else is just wasted effort.  At least BBI seems to be pretending to try to address it. 
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 22, 2021, 06:02:02 PM
What is this guy’s obsession with my Kikuyuism. Ask anyone here, I was a horrible kikuyu supremacist for a long time. I supported Kibaki in all his presidency, I supported the duo in their first term with a lot of enthusiasm and hope but became horribly disappointed after it became the same thievery, mediocrity and chaos. In my history here, I have said things and come up with nicknames of the Luo tribe that I am really ashamed of. I do not know how long you have been here, I joined the old sites starting with the original Kenya talk around the end of Moi error, that’s almost twenty years here. We were here in the days of Oloo, Miguna, kichwa, Njamba, Omollo, Masinde, Ngina, Wakwitu, Njamba, Pundit and so many other. Ask these people who came up with nicknames like bonobos, Kaguta Ruto etc I used to be a vicious individual, human beings evolve, I do not see tribe anymore. It would be the height of hypocrisy to call out racists here while spreading tribal venom in Kenya, I have reversed sides with Ndii. I am also not sold on any tribal or mass supremacy, great things are achieved by individual effort. Most whites who claim supremacy here can hardly spell their names but take credit of all achievements by other white so it’s a really flawed philosophy. I look at most Kikuyus or Kalenjins, I do not see any quality that separates them from the other tribes or entitles them to leadership. I am not begging you to accept me as a kikuyu, I am happy belonging to the human tribe.


I thought I was the only one that noticed this kind of hypocrisy.  How GEMA talking points sounded eerily like listening to Republicans back here and wondering if they(those in the US) can't make the connection of why nobody was buying it.  Better late than never.  If Kenya can't solve its Achilles heel of tribalism, everything else is just wasted effort.  At least BBI seems to be pretending to try to address it.
by the way, sorry for not mentioning your name, Terminator or bitsmak, you have been here a long time. It’s actually sad, I think it’s a manifestation of inner turmoil and low self esteem. I find a lot of racists also have some anti social or other mental issues.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 22, 2021, 06:27:59 PM
What is this guy’s obsession with my Kikuyuism. Ask anyone here, I was a horrible kikuyu supremacist for a long time. I supported Kibaki in all his presidency, I supported the duo in their first term with a lot of enthusiasm and hope but became horribly disappointed after it became the same thievery, mediocrity and chaos. In my history here, I have said things and come up with nicknames of the Luo tribe that I am really ashamed of. I do not know how long you have been here, I joined the old sites starting with the original Kenya talk around the end of Moi error, that’s almost twenty years here. We were here in the days of Oloo, Miguna, kichwa, Njamba, Omollo, Masinde, Ngina, Wakwitu, Njamba, Pundit and so many other. Ask these people who came up with nicknames like bonobos, Kaguta Ruto etc I used to be a vicious individual, human beings evolve, I do not see tribe anymore. It would be the height of hypocrisy to call out racists here while spreading tribal venom in Kenya, I have reversed sides with Ndii. I am also not sold on any tribal or mass supremacy, great things are achieved by individual effort. Most whites who claim supremacy here can hardly spell their names but take credit of all achievements by other white so it’s a really flawed philosophy. I look at most Kikuyus or Kalenjins, I do not see any quality that separates them from the other tribes or entitles them to leadership. I am not begging you to accept me as a kikuyu, I am happy belonging to the human tribe.


I thought I was the only one that noticed this kind of hypocrisy.  How GEMA talking points sounded eerily like listening to Republicans back here and wondering if they(those in the US) can't make the connection of why nobody was buying it.  Better late than never.  If Kenya can't solve its Achilles heel of tribalism, everything else is just wasted effort.  At least BBI seems to be pretending to try to address it.
by the way, sorry for not mentioning your name, Terminator or bitsmak, you have been here a long time. It’s actually sad, I think it’s a manifestation of inner turmoil and low self esteem. I find a lot of racists also have some anti social or other mental issues.

No biggy.  People grow and change as you absorb the lessons of life.  The tendency seems to be from idealism to pragmatism.  Kenya's, and Africa's problem in general, IMO is just failure to see the forest for the trees.  That is how someone as intelligent as Ndii finds himself discussing foreskins.

Namewise I prefer bitmask.  Terminator was from younger dick measuring days :D.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 22, 2021, 06:59:42 PM
What is this guy’s obsession with my Kikuyuism. Ask anyone here, I was a horrible kikuyu supremacist for a long time. I supported Kibaki in all his presidency, I supported the duo in their first term with a lot of enthusiasm and hope but became horribly disappointed after it became the same thievery, mediocrity and chaos. In my history here, I have said things and come up with nicknames of the Luo tribe that I am really ashamed of. I do not know how long you have been here, I joined the old sites starting with the original Kenya talk around the end of Moi error, that’s almost twenty years here. We were here in the days of Oloo, Miguna, kichwa, Njamba, Omollo, Masinde, Ngina, Wakwitu, Njamba, Pundit and so many other. Ask these people who came up with nicknames like bonobos, Kaguta Ruto etc I used to be a vicious individual, human beings evolve, I do not see tribe anymore. It would be the height of hypocrisy to call out racists here while spreading tribal venom in Kenya, I have reversed sides with Ndii. I am also not sold on any tribal or mass supremacy, great things are achieved by individual effort. Most whites who claim supremacy here can hardly spell their names but take credit of all achievements by other white so it’s a really flawed philosophy. I look at most Kikuyus or Kalenjins, I do not see any quality that separates them from the other tribes or entitles them to leadership. I am not begging you to accept me as a kikuyu, I am happy belonging to the human tribe.

Let all really embrace the new FB. Welcome to project Kenya FB. You have really evolved and it is interesting to see you go through this evolution.

Rv pundit, cut the man a slack. He has seen the light. He has changed his mind.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 22, 2021, 07:06:36 PM
That’s funny..lol..I should probably change my moniker too cause if I met that guy who is my former self, I would whoop his ass. Kenya has two major issues, corruption and tribalism, it’s so weird cause other than my name and birthplace, I have really nothing in common with my next door kikuyu, people had to interpret all the shenanigans when I married my wife, I have had zero interest in kikuyu culture since my dick measuring days.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Kadudu on February 22, 2021, 11:08:19 PM
"“A wise man changes his mind sometimes, but a fool never. To change your mind is the best evidence you have one.” - Desmond Ford

Let all really embrace the new FB. Welcome to project Kenya FB. You have really evolved and it is interesting to see you go through this evolution.

Rv pundit, cut the man a slack. He has seen the light. He has changed his mind.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 23, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
We have been here for more than 20 years , some of the guys you mention we have even physically met . I can tell you point blank you hail from Luo Nyanza . Its better to stop pretending

What is this guy’s obsession with my Kikuyuism. Ask anyone here, I was a horrible kikuyu supremacist for a long time. I supported Kibaki in all his presidency, I supported the duo in their first term with a lot of enthusiasm and hope but became horribly disappointed after it became the same thievery, mediocrity and chaos. In my history here, I have said things and come up with nicknames of the Luo tribe that I am really ashamed of. I do not know how long you have been here, I joined the old sites starting with the original Kenya talk around the end of Moi error, that’s almost twenty years here. We were here in the days of Oloo, Miguna, kichwa, Njamba, Omollo, Masinde, Ngina, Wakwitu, Njamba, Pundit and so many other. Ask these people who came up with nicknames like bonobos, Kaguta Ruto etc I used to be a vicious individual, human beings evolve, I do not see tribe anymore. It would be the height of hypocrisy to call out racists here while spreading tribal venom in Kenya, I have reversed sides with Ndii. I am also not sold on any tribal or mass supremacy, great things are achieved by individual effort. Most whites who claim supremacy here can hardly spell their names but take credit of all achievements by other white so it’s a really flawed philosophy. I look at most Kikuyus or Kalenjins, I do not see any quality that separates them from the other tribes or entitles them to leadership. I am not begging you to accept me as a kikuyu, I am happy belonging to the human tribe.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Fairandbalanced on February 23, 2021, 04:04:54 PM
What is this Raila hate that Kikuyus are willing to throw the country to the dogs? Raila loves Kikuyus, his wife is literally Gatabaki family in Githunguri, I think all his kids speak kikuyu. Raila in two months will make Kenya a world player like Kibaki, Ruto is an international pariah.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 23, 2021, 04:33:10 PM

Whose wife , If you are talking about Raila Junior, then the wife is a Kibukosya a Luhya.

Gatabaki family is related to Ndii through his wife a daughter.

What is this Raila hate that Kikuyus are willing to throw the country to the dogs? Raila loves Kikuyus, his wife is literally Gatabaki family in Githunguri, I think all his kids speak kikuyu. Raila in two months will make Kenya a world player like Kibaki, Ruto is an international pariah.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 23, 2021, 06:43:48 PM

Whose wife , If you are talking about Raila Junior, then the wife is a Kibukosya a Luhya.

Gatabaki family is related to Ndii through his wife a daughter.

What is this Raila hate that Kikuyus are willing to throw the country to the dogs? Raila loves Kikuyus, his wife is literally Gatabaki family in Githunguri, I think all his kids speak kikuyu. Raila in two months will make Kenya a world player like Kibaki, Ruto is an international pariah.

You are too much. Ndii is a married to Gatabaki daughter. GATABAKI was a richman back in the colonial days and a genius of his time. Most his kids are super bright. Gatabaki were anti colonial govt and one of Gatabaki sons was a the mp for Githunguri in the 90s and owned Finance Magazine an antimoi publication. Njehu runnings with moi ruined him financially. I beleive the woman producing Tony Gachokq show is a gatabakis daughter. The Gatabakis are mavericks, think of a family with 4 orengos type
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 23, 2021, 06:57:32 PM

You are replying FnB or me ? If its proving who know Gatabakis lineage I would add so much until you will be suprised.


Whose wife , If you are talking about Raila Junior, then the wife is a Kibukosya a Luhya.

Gatabaki family is related to Ndii through his wife a daughter.

What is this Raila hate that Kikuyus are willing to throw the country to the dogs? Raila loves Kikuyus, his wife is literally Gatabaki family in Githunguri, I think all his kids speak kikuyu. Raila in two months will make Kenya a world player like Kibaki, Ruto is an international pariah.

You are too much. Ndii is a married to Gatabaki daughter. GATABAKI was a richman back in the colonial days and a genius of his time. Most his kids are super bright. Gatabaki were anti colonial govt and one of Gatabaki sons was a the mp for Githunguri in the 90s and owned Finance Magazine an antimoi publication. Njehu runnings with moi ruined him financially. I beleive the woman producing Tony Gachokq show is a gatabakis daughter. The Gatabakis are mavericks, think of a family with 4 orengos type
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on February 23, 2021, 07:11:59 PM
You mean Ida Odinga is a Gatabaki :) Ida Anyango Oyoo is from Migori :) and is a Luo. Raila did force it appears to me his late son to marry kikuyu for political sake - and they eventually divorced - and Fidel married an Eritrean or Ethiopian woman
What is this Raila hate that Kikuyus are willing to throw the country to the dogs? Raila loves Kikuyus, his wife is literally Gatabaki family in Githunguri, I think all his kids speak kikuyu. Raila in two months will make Kenya a world player like Kibaki, Ruto is an international pariah.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 23, 2021, 07:32:24 PM
The same lady , Odinga family attacked claiming she was baren, only for Fidel to marry an Eritrean then by 2019 Odinga family wanted to disinherit her. So sad.

You mean Ida Odinga is a Gatabaki :) Ida Anyango Oyoo is from Migori :) and is a Luo. Raila did force it appears to me his late son to marry kikuyu for political sake - and they eventually divorced - and Fidel married an Eritrean or Ethiopian woman
What is this Raila hate that Kikuyus are willing to throw the country to the dogs? Raila loves Kikuyus, his wife is literally Gatabaki family in Githunguri, I think all his kids speak kikuyu. Raila in two months will make Kenya a world player like Kibaki, Ruto is an international pariah.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: gout on February 24, 2021, 10:30:04 AM
It is not clear why mwafrika struggles with understanding that dynastic kleptocrony capitalists are directly related to our desperate shit hole situations. Why would a Kenyatta or an Odinga have a chance in Kenya's leadership? A moi? Shit!

Even the mwafrika who have run to countries where dismantling the dynasties is the order of the day which allows investments, innovations and social mobility out of poverty? Change in leadership is the greatest software innovation for a any society wishing to transform.

Will there be a Lincoln family member as president in the US or we will have an immigrant as US president soon? What has happened to Kennedys, Bushes, Clintons? Are they the answer to America's problems???
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Arcadian_Dreamer on February 25, 2021, 06:49:47 AM
It is not clear why mwafrika struggles with understanding that dynastic kleptocrony capitalists are directly related to our desperate shit hole situations. Why would a Kenyatta or an Odinga have a chance in Kenya's leadership? A moi? Shit!

Even the mwafrika who have run to countries where dismantling the dynasties is the order of the day which allows investments, innovations and social mobility out of poverty? Change in leadership is the greatest software innovation for a any society wishing to transform.

Will there be a Lincoln family member as president in the US or we will have an immigrant as US president soon? What has happened to Kennedys, Bushes, Clintons? Are they the answer to America's problems???

What about dynasty kabilas? You talk about family dynasties because that is a convenient narrative to hide behind. Kenya is composed of more than 2 tribes baba, we need to move on.
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: Nowayhaha on March 09, 2021, 08:09:49 AM
So you think Uhuru is ready to pour Billions and use government machinery for a wild goose chase ?

Not convinced because he is not naive to imagine the judiciary will just roll over.We will see.This one I believe he is doing to buy time.....by time omtatah is through with BBI it will be 2023.There is no referendum act we speak...so judiciary will have to guide the process .Why leave all these to last minute
Title: Re: David Ndii-Odingaism is Kenya’s most toxic ethnic mobilization
Post by: RV Pundit on March 09, 2021, 08:54:24 AM
Huduma  number took him 3yrs; BBI will take longer; He doesn't have all the cards; Our judiciary is fiercely independent; they annualed his victory for once; so yes he can spend himself lame ; but if he is breaking the law; like he has clearly done with BBI; he will be stopped.

There are 12 cases before the court.

So you think Uhuru is ready to pour Billions and use government machinery for a wild goose chase ?