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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kichwa on January 21, 2018, 11:21:40 PM
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How incompetent and indecisive can this useless drunkard and a thief for a president be. They cannot even pick a cabinet. Lets hear pundit spin this one.
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We are likely stuck with a political cabinet - bad news. Personally I prefer Matiang'i kind of performers - and fewer useless Wamalwas.
In Germany they are yet to decide the parties to form the government - let alone the chancellor, ministers and other officials - 3 months after the elections.
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the only time we had a functional govt was during Kibakis time. many of those people delivered. there was not as much political interference. so get used to dysfunction - we are trying to beat Nigeria.
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Good spin, except its like comparing apples and oranges.
We are likely stuck with a political cabinet - bad news. Personally I prefer Matiang'i kind of performers - and fewer useless Wamalwas.
In Germany they are yet to decide the parties to form the government - let alone the chancellor, ministers and other officials - 3 months after the elections.
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the only time we had a functional govt was during Kibakis time. many of those people delivered. there was not as much political interference. so get used to dysfunction - we are trying to beat Nigeria.
Kibaki's "magic" was picking after Moi's exemplary incompetence with the Lotodos. Education sector has improved and I would like to see the broom clean up the stench in the campuses. There must be alot of cheating there especially with the flood of MBAs. And the 3rd floor colleges MOON Ki derides. That's not education - it's a scam.
I think PORK as CEO needs to be a very good talent scout. Such caliber in key ministries and that's your performing government. Hakuna uganga.
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I am not aware of any vacany in gov. The cabinet is intact.
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Of course, you have a "see no evil, hear no evil" policy towards ouruto. The days of your liberation will come.
I am not aware of any vacany in gov. The cabinet is intact.
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I don't see the hurry in forming a new cabinet - this is uhuru 2.0 - and I expect him to retain most of cabinet - together as team Jubilee got thumbs up from kenya. They should retain at least more than half. The political loosers angling for seats - should sit it out for sometime - so they can be humble to service in cabinet - and detoxify politics.
Of course, you have a "see no evil, hear no evil" policy towards ouruto. The days of your liberation will come.
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I don't see the hurry in forming a new cabinet - this is uhuru 2.0 - and I expect him to retain most of cabinet - together as team Jubilee got thumbs up from kenya. They should retain at least more than half. The political loosers angling for seats - should sit it out for sometime - so they can be humble to service in cabinet - and detoxify politics.
You mean guys like Ken Lusaka and Kinuthia Mbugua :D :D :D
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That's the spin. The reality is that he cannot form a cabinet without blowing up the delicate jubilee coalition. He has too many interests to juggle and he do not know what to do. He is a drunkard, coward, indecisive and not very smart. The Ruto/Gideon rivalry alone is enough to tear jubilee apart if not handled with care. Ati he is talking his time. You wish. He is a man between a hard stone and a rock. He is probably waiting for Raila to be sworn in so that he can use that to unify jubilee but even that will only be temporary because sh..t is going to go down soon.
I don't see the hurry in forming a new cabinet - this is uhuru 2.0 - and I expect him to retain most of cabinet - together as team Jubilee got thumbs up from kenya. They should retain at least more than half. The political loosers angling for seats - should sit it out for sometime - so they can be humble to service in cabinet - and detoxify politics.
Of course, you have a "see no evil, hear no evil" policy towards ouruto. The days of your liberation will come.
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Of course, you have a "see no evil, hear no evil" policy towards ouruto. The days of your liberation will come.
I am not aware of any vacany in gov. The cabinet is intact.
Quite.
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And how long does it take to get sworn in :)
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And how long does it take to get sworn in :)
Depends on whether you are an electoral fraudster or not.
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If you steal an election you would want to do it right away. A good example is Kibaki in 2007, the swearing in was literally done minutes after Kiviutu was forced to declare him as the "winner".
And how long does it take to get sworn in :)
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If you lose an election you wouldn't want to do it right away. A good example is Raila in 2017, the swearing in has literally dragged on forever after Chebukati & Magara was in their own will declared UhuRuto as duly elected. The thing with UhuRuto is either have veto on any candidate so I can imagine it taking long - coz once it done - there won't be complains and you wouldn't appointed who. Kenya is luckly to led by dynamic duo at this moment.
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Kichwa is deflecting from the Raila & Kalonzo swearing. How long has it taken?
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“Dynamic Duo”. Presiding over a failed nation. Half the country do not recognize them; unemplyment to the roof; Debts upt to the neck; most citizens cannot make ends meet; raw tribalism like never witnessed anywhere in Africa. You must be living in a cave.
If you lose an election you wouldn't want to do it right away. A good example is Raila in 2017, the swearing in has literally dragged on forever after Chebukati & Magara was in their own will declared UhuRuto as duly elected. The thing with UhuRuto is either have veto on any candidate so I can imagine it taking long - coz once it done - there won't be complains and you wouldn't appointed who. Kenya is luckly to led by dynamic duo at this moment.
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Robina, You have been reduced to parroting jubilee spin master, pundito. Railonzo swearing in is set for January 30th. They have all the time the need.
Kichwa is deflecting from the Raila & Kalonzo swearing. How long has it taken?
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Going by the heading of this thread that's a real joke. A whole 3 or 4 months since they were "robbed". The hints of "government in exile" point to cowardice. Supporters are invited to multiple far-flung venues..?? Expect a postpone for the upteenth time :)
Robina, You have been reduced to parroting jubilee spin master, pundito. Railonzo swearing in is set for January 30th. They have all the time the need.
Kichwa is deflecting from the Raila & Kalonzo swearing. How long has it taken?
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Robina, this is a silly debate only brought about by Pundit trying to spin/avoid/mask the collosal failure of Ouruto to even form a government in a country where he supposedly control the legislature, the judiciary and the executive. Ouruto are failures by any modest international standards unless you are a rabid kalenjin/kikuyu tribalists who cannot see beyond kalenjinism or kikuyuism. When did the time the opposition took to swear in become an issue for debate. Raila will be sworn in when they are ready because they are not running any government and do not have deadlines. Stop parroting pundit blindly. You can support jubilee but you do not have to go to the gutter with them.
Going by the heading of this thread that's a real joke. A whole 3 or 4 months since they were "robbed". The hints of "government in exile" point to cowardice. Supporters are invited to multiple far-flung venues..?? Expect a postpone for the upteenth time :)
Robina, You have been reduced to parroting jubilee spin master, pundito. Railonzo swearing in is set for January 30th. They have all the time the need.
Kichwa is deflecting from the Raila & Kalonzo swearing. How long has it taken?
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Thanks Kichwa. I'm not a rabid of course. UhuRuto are having disagreements or something but I don't care much for that. I think if NASA are serious about resistance they would ferment it by committing treason. A political trial of the duo by the government is the best way to upstage Ruto.
I don't think they are serious at all.
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Robina, It is not about the principles, its about the People. I can tell you that NASA followers are very committed and Raila has no choice but to be sworn in or negotiate something better which I cannot imagine. If Jubilee really wanted to try Raila on treason they would make it very easy for him to swear in and not put road blocks all over the place. Its never easy as you think for an opposition party to do things in a government controlled by thugs and thieves like Ouru and Ruto, but we are pushing on and Raila will be sworn in one way or the other. And yes, we too a treason trial more than anything else. It will be a god-sent platform to expose the thieves and it will have the biggest local and international audience ever achieved anywhere and Jubilee do not want that. Jubilee is doing everything behind the scenes to stop this swearing in including offering huge mindboggling bribes to principles, threats and sending the international emissaries to intervene. On the other hand they act in public like they do not care. If not for the steadfastness of NASA supporters they would have been able to divide NASA principles by now. This is an indication that the country is changing because not too long ago, the huge amount of bribes being offered would have been taken by now.
Thanks Kichwa. I'm not a rabid of course. UhuRuto are having disagreements or something but I don't care much for that. I think if NASA are serious about resistance they would ferment it by committing treason. A political trial of the duo by the government is the best way to upstage Ruto.
I don't think they are serious at all.
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There is fluidity. There is almost an element of disinterest in what Jubilee does. There was a time they could unravel things in the opposition by appointing their tribesmen into government. For one reason or another, that no longer works. Uhuru could appoint a cabinet made up 100% of Kikuyus (or 0% for that matter) and nobody would think any differently of his government. I think that arises from a legitimacy deficit.
NASA is also facing its own demons. A shaky coalition. Raila has to keep the supporters - many of whom have already more or less given up on him - interested by swearing himself in.
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Jubilee is working very hard to stop the swearing in because they have already threatened "treason charges" just to realize that the last thing they need is a "treason trial". Not only does Raila need to be sworn in, the biggest threat to his political legacy would be "Not being sworn in". In other words Raila has to be sworn in and anybody telling Raila not to be sworn in, could as well as put a political bullet to his head and squeeze the trigger at point blank range. Jubilee cannot even form a government until this issue is resolved and therefore January 30th is a big day for both sides. Once Raila is sworn in, all bets are off. The base will be re energized and it will be the end of "accept and move on".
There is fluidity. There is almost an element of disinterest in what Jubilee does. There was a time they could unravel things in the opposition by appointing their tribesmen into government. For one reason or another, that no longer works. Uhuru could appoint a cabinet made up 100% of Kikuyus (or 0% for that matter) and nobody would think any differently of his government. I think that arises from a legitimacy deficit.
NASA is also facing its own demons. A shaky coalition. Raila has to keep the supporters - many of whom have already more or less given up on him - interested by swearing himself in.
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Dream on. Raila is done. Kaput. Finished.
Jubilee is working very hard to stop the swearing in because they have already threatened "treason charges" just to realize that the last thing they need is a "treason trial". Not only does Raila need to be sworn in, the biggest threat to his political legacy would be "Not being sworn in". In other words Raila has to be sworn in and anybody telling Raila not to be sworn in, could as well as put a political bullet to his head and squeeze the trigger at point blank range. Jubilee cannot even form a government until this issue is resolved and therefore January 30th is a big day for both sides. Once Raila is sworn in, all bets are off. The base will be re energized and it will be the end of "accept and move on".
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Part of the police job is to actually stop or prevent crimes from happening. I don't know which Gov in the world will allow Raila to swear himself as Kenyan president. Certainly not kenyan. The police have to make sure such act of treason don't happen - and if it happens like in Uganda in Besigye private house - Raila get tried.
Jubilee is working very hard to stop the swearing in because they have already threatened "treason charges" just to realize that the last thing they need is a "treason trial". Not only does Raila need to be sworn in, the biggest threat to his political legacy would be "Not being sworn in". In other words Raila has to be sworn in and anybody telling Raila not to be sworn in, could as well as put a political bullet to his head and squeeze the trigger at point blank range. Jubilee cannot even form a government until this issue is resolved and therefore January 30th is a big day for both sides. Once Raila is sworn in, all bets are off. The base will be re energized and it will be the end of "accept and move on".
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Babu will be sworn in but he will take a shitty lame joke oath.
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My dreams for Kenya are not like yours which is built around Ruto. My dreams for Kenya is bigger than Raila and even if he drops dead today those dreams survive. Its therefore very childish of you to think that yelling Raila is Kaput is of any consequence to me. Kumbaff.
Dream on. Raila is done. Kaput. Finished.
Jubilee is working very hard to stop the swearing in because they have already threatened "treason charges" just to realize that the last thing they need is a "treason trial". Not only does Raila need to be sworn in, the biggest threat to his political legacy would be "Not being sworn in". In other words Raila has to be sworn in and anybody telling Raila not to be sworn in, could as well as put a political bullet to his head and squeeze the trigger at point blank range. Jubilee cannot even form a government until this issue is resolved and therefore January 30th is a big day for both sides. Once Raila is sworn in, all bets are off. The base will be re energized and it will be the end of "accept and move on".
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The police have never prevented a revolution or a change in any country that I know of if the people want it. The same police have not stopped Ruto from committing all kinds of crimes including, looting the economy, murder and even genocide.
Part of the police job is to actually stop or prevent crimes from happening. I don't know which Gov in the world will allow Raila to swear himself as Kenyan president. Certainly not kenyan. The police have to make sure such act of treason don't happen - and if it happens like in Uganda in Besigye private house - Raila get tried.
Jubilee is working very hard to stop the swearing in because they have already threatened "treason charges" just to realize that the last thing they need is a "treason trial". Not only does Raila need to be sworn in, the biggest threat to his political legacy would be "Not being sworn in". In other words Raila has to be sworn in and anybody telling Raila not to be sworn in, could as well as put a political bullet to his head and squeeze the trigger at point blank range. Jubilee cannot even form a government until this issue is resolved and therefore January 30th is a big day for both sides. Once Raila is sworn in, all bets are off. The base will be re energized and it will be the end of "accept and move on".
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Mortally amiable mortician has filed a challenge to the People's Assemblies. It seems to me that it is lost on quite a few folks that the law does not matter any more. What you can do and make to get away with is what becomes law. It can be argued that it stopped mattering when IEBC interfered with the election in August last year. Some would say it started when they disobeyed court orders and faced no consequences.
Attorney General Githu Muigai has moved to court to challenge the formation of the People’s Assemblies in the NASA support base. The AG in a case filed under certificate of urgency against 15 county assemblies and Council of County Governors, asked the court to declare formation of the assemblies illegal and unconstitutional.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies)
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies)
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What they do not understand is that Democracy is a delicate balancing act to preserve the independence of the three branches and their ability to check and balance each other. They thought by controlling the electoral process they can therefore control all the legislature and the executive branch and then use the instruments of terror to control the judiciary and then live happily and ever after in a fake democracy. What they did not realize is that they have rendered the legislature and the judiciary useless all the other and now they have a dictatorship which we have a right to fight by any means possible.
Mortally amiable mortician has filed a challenge to the People's Assemblies. It seems to me that it is lost on quite a few folks that the law does not matter any more. What you can do and make to get away with is what becomes law. It can be argued that it stopped mattering when IEBC interfered with the election in August last year. Some would say it started when they disobeyed court orders and faced no consequences.
Attorney General Githu Muigai has moved to court to challenge the formation of the People’s Assemblies in the NASA support base. The AG in a case filed under certificate of urgency against 15 county assemblies and Council of County Governors, asked the court to declare formation of the assemblies illegal and unconstitutional.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies)
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001266893/ag-muigai-files-petition-in-court-challenging-legality-of-nasa-s-people-s-assemblies)
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All we need is Raila sworn in then we have our president and Jubilee has their president and we can move our own two directions. The swearing in of Raila can be literally be done anywhere and it will have the same effect as if it were done in front of 10 million people at Uhuru park. What jubilee thinks of Raila's swearing in is not important. I never watched Ouru's swearing in and it has no consequence to me politically. The same must be true for Jubilee supporters towards Raila's swearing in. Its not supposed to mean anything to them. This is a NASA affair.
Babu will be sworn in but he will take a shitty lame joke oath.
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All we need is Raila sworn in then we have our president and Jubilee has their president and we can move our own two directions. The swearing in of Raila can be literally be done anywhere and it will have the same effect as if it were done in front of 10 million people at Uhuru park. What jubilee thinks of Raila's swearing in is not important. I never watched Ouru's swearing in and it has no consequence to me politically. The same must be true for Jubilee supporters towards Raila's swearing in. Its not supposed to mean anything to them. This is a NASA affair.
Babu will be sworn in but he will take a shitty lame joke oath.
Nice jokes