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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nefertiti on December 31, 2017, 12:07:24 PM
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What the Hell Is Happening in Iran?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/what-the-hell-is-happening-in-iran.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/what-the-hell-is-happening-in-iran.html)
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Fake news ?
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Nope. It's really happening. It's on the mainstream media. Trump tweeted about it.
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Iran is a very repressive society with clerics in control. It'll turn even more repressive.
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Arab countries don't suddenly "protest" for "freedom"
False flag...
During the Mau Mau uprising in the 1950s, captured Mau Mau members who switched sides and specially trained British troops initiated the pseudo-gang concept to successfully counter Mau Mau. In 1960 Frank Kitson, (who was later involved in the Northern Irish conflict and is now a retired British General), published Gangs and Counter-gangs, an account of his experiences with the technique in Kenya; information included how to counter gangs and measures of deception, including the use of defectors, which brought the issue a wider audience.[citation needed]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
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In my studies I learnt that the general sequence of attacks will be Iraq, Iran --> Saudi Arabia. Puppet regimes in Iraq & Iran are easier for the US to establish airbases to seige Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has oil & the US needs oil. US is in energy oil debt and has paid the Saudis with US land. For instance the Saudi govt owns 10% of US land.
The other problem is with a rising China but China are disadvantaged because they don't have shipping ports. 40% of China's oil comes through the North Korean peninsula/ports.
Iran, NK... these are small wars between China, Russia & Arabs.
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Most "uprising" is instigated by the US. The Arab Spring comes to mind. The ayatollahs are too smart to be overthrown by infiltration. They are the ones doing the infiltrating now in the region. They have successfully thwarted a takeover in Syria and Yemen, and in Iraq they are very influential. After the Ukraine Russia is not about to let any uprising succeed.
The videos of protests are true but there are bigger counter-protests. They won't succeed against the entrenched state machinery.
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The Arab Spring didn't result in +ve changes. It instead set the scene for Arab Winter ie. genocides. War instigated protests for the purposes of establishing puppet regimes- rarely last. True democracy is a home grown theocratic transition to become better human beings. It's a reflection of a population achieving milestones towards an enlightened society - Marx. Such things can't be bought and it certainly can't be rushed. At its basic, it needs to be authentically grassroots.
If the USA cared so much about retaining their superpower status they really ought to fix their own country starting with their political model. Redistribute wealth, a new tax system, promote small businesses, more support systems etc. abolish left/right politics which is perhaps one thing Trump can be credited for. I generally think of USA as a povo nation because it lacks a moral compass, people are so divided by race and everything else. It's really just a matter of time before the place becomes the quintessential tourism nation for homelessness. Marx made it clear communism is inevitable - the final political model towards an enlightened society (not one under an authoritarian rule like Stalin and North Korea). I see communism manifest in the USA by way of homeless communities sharing free resources etc. If Marx is correct then homelessness will be prevalent in the USA. I just hope it won't come so sudden it ends up like a Zombie apocalypse where people shoot each other and the currency exchange revolves around serums of all sorts ruled by scientists.
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The Arab Spring didn't result in +ve changes. It instead set the scene for Arab Winter ie. genocides. War instigated protests for the purposes of establishing puppet regimes- rarely last. True democracy is a home grown theocratic transition to become better human beings. It's a reflection of a population achieving milestones towards an enlightened society - Marx. Such things can't be bought and it certainly can't be rushed. At its basic, it needs to be authentically grassroots.
I agree. Libya was once stable but nowadays its a terrorist haven. Egypt almost went terror. Syria is a killing field. Yemen is a cholera stricken region. Theres no positive thing in destabilizing Iran.
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Yep, they won't succeed with Iran because Iranians are different to Iraqis and other Arab nations. They're educated, Western savvy, much more worldly and have already accommodated for democratic changes in their culture to hopefully counteract foreign intrusions.
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I see am not the solo perturbed by American homelessness in the midst of affluence.
Iran is a pseudo-democracy with grassroots meritocracy. The president, parliament, mayors, etc belong to parties and are elected. They have to maintain the theocracy to wade off western infiltration and sabotage as happened under the shah. China would have been sabotaged too without the Party's firm grip on the state. There are numerous cases of CIA saboteurs in Tibet.
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Trump's support for the uprising is not going to be helpful either. I wish Trump would just shut-up on things he knows nothing about.
I see am not the solo perturbed by American homelessness in the midst of affluence.
Iran is a pseudo-democracy with grassroots meritocracy. The president, parliament, mayors, etc belong to parties and are elected. They have to maintain the theocracy to wade off western infiltration and sabotage as happened under the shah. China would have been sabotaged too without the Party's firm grip on the state. There are numerous cases of CIA saboteurs in Tibet.
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Trump's support for the uprising is not going to be helpful either. I wish Trump would just shut-up on things he knows nothing about.
I see am not the solo perturbed by American homelessness in the midst of affluence.
Iran is a pseudo-democracy with grassroots meritocracy. The president, parliament, mayors, etc belong to parties and are elected. They have to maintain the theocracy to wade off western infiltration and sabotage as happened under the shah. China would have been sabotaged too without the Party's firm grip on the state. There are numerous cases of CIA saboteurs in Tibet.
Pretty much everything bar grabbing them by the pussy. If the US is on the decline, Trump has put it into turbo boost.
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I still have hope for America to be great again unless they re-elect Trump. I would like to think Trump was just a bad mistake and America has learned and will never repeat it again.
Trump's support for the uprising is not going to be helpful either. I wish Trump would just shut-up on things he knows nothing about.
I see am not the solo perturbed by American homelessness in the midst of affluence.
Iran is a pseudo-democracy with grassroots meritocracy. The president, parliament, mayors, etc belong to parties and are elected. They have to maintain the theocracy to wade off western infiltration and sabotage as happened under the shah. China would have been sabotaged too without the Party's firm grip on the state. There are numerous cases of CIA saboteurs in Tibet.
Pretty much everything bar grabbing them by the pussy. If the US is on the decline, Trump has put it into turbo boost.
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Trump's mantra is to make America great again. There's paradox in there somewhere.
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Ironically is going through the same rough experience of horrible ethnic centric leadership which has divided a nation in a way its never been divided before. With America there is a lot of hope it will come back together peacefully after Trump.
Trump's mantra is to make America great again. There's paradox in there somewhere.
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Kichwa I think the US/western Left vs Right politics is an exact Jubilee vs NASA redux where each claims the other is tribal. Looking at the Russiagate shenanigans - the allegations of collusion - the unprofessionalism. The politicization of the justice system makes the US a banana republic. I used to read about Chinese executions with horror but am not so sure any more about the US. Justice depends on your party.
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Kichwa I think the US/western Left vs Right politics is an exact Jubilee vs NASA redux where each claims the other is tribal. Looking at the Russiagate shenanigans - the allegations of collusion - the unprofessionalism. The politicization of the justice system makes the US a banana republic. I used to read about Chinese executions with horror but am not so sure any more about the US. Justice depends on your party.
I do see strong similarities between Trump supporters and the jubilated faction in Kenya. And yes, el Trumpo is working hard to upend the architecture of the US justice system. Only Mueller and a disinterested Republican Congress stands in his way.
But a more worrying danger is North Korea. The US and NK are now both in the hands of certified lunatics.
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The similarities end when you factor in the independence of the FBI, the Judiciary, the legislature, the criminal justice system, the media and the civil society. That’s a huge difference that renders the similarities almost null and void.
Kichwa I think the US/western Left vs Right politics is an exact Jubilee vs NASA redux where each claims the other is tribal. Looking at the Russiagate shenanigans - the allegations of collusion - the unprofessionalism. The politicization of the justice system makes the US a banana republic. I used to read about Chinese executions with horror but am not so sure any more about the US. Justice depends on your party.
I do see strong similarities between Trump supporters and the jubilated faction in Kenya. And yes, el Trumpo is working hard to upend the architecture of the US justice system. Only Mueller and a disinterested Republican Congress stands in his way.
But a more worrying danger is North Korea. The US and NK are now both in the hands of certified lunatics.
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The similarities end when you factor in the independence of the FBI, the Judiciary, the legislature, the criminal justice system, the media and the civil society. That’s a huge difference that renders the similarities almost null and void.
Kichwa I think the US/western Left vs Right politics is an exact Jubilee vs NASA redux where each claims the other is tribal. Looking at the Russiagate shenanigans - the allegations of collusion - the unprofessionalism. The politicization of the justice system makes the US a banana republic. I used to read about Chinese executions with horror but am not so sure any more about the US. Justice depends on your party.
I do see strong similarities between Trump supporters and the jubilated faction in Kenya. And yes, el Trumpo is working hard to upend the architecture of the US justice system. Only Mueller and a disinterested Republican Congress stands in his way.
But a more worrying danger is North Korea. The US and NK are now both in the hands of certified lunatics.
YAP!! n Kenya we have tribalism, while in USA its racism. rump tapped into these crowd while many right minded people were sleeping. Rightly so he will be unable to maintain the momentum and is losing heavily. In Kenya, many people go tribal.
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whether it is tribalism or racism they have to be resisted at all times. The fight over any form of evil must continue without abetment at all times. The good wins in the end. In this battle, time is immaterial.
The similarities end when you factor in the independence of the FBI, the Judiciary, the legislature, the criminal justice system, the media and the civil society. That’s a huge difference that renders the similarities almost null and void.
Kichwa I think the US/western Left vs Right politics is an exact Jubilee vs NASA redux where each claims the other is tribal. Looking at the Russiagate shenanigans - the allegations of collusion - the unprofessionalism. The politicization of the justice system makes the US a banana republic. I used to read about Chinese executions with horror but am not so sure any more about the US. Justice depends on your party.
I do see strong similarities between Trump supporters and the jubilated faction in Kenya. And yes, el Trumpo is working hard to upend the architecture of the US justice system. Only Mueller and a disinterested Republican Congress stands in his way.
But a more worrying danger is North Korea. The US and NK are now both in the hands of certified lunatics.
YAP!! n Kenya we have tribalism, while in USA its racism. rump tapped into these crowd while many right minded people were sleeping. Rightly so he will be unable to maintain the momentum and is losing heavily. In Kenya, many people go tribal.
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The similarities end when you factor in the independence of the FBI, the Judiciary, the legislature, the criminal justice system, the media and the civil society. That’s a huge difference that renders the similarities almost null and void.
Kichwa I think the US/western Left vs Right politics is an exact Jubilee vs NASA redux where each claims the other is tribal. Looking at the Russiagate shenanigans - the allegations of collusion - the unprofessionalism. The politicization of the justice system makes the US a banana republic. I used to read about Chinese executions with horror but am not so sure any more about the US. Justice depends on your party.
I do see strong similarities between Trump supporters and the jubilated faction in Kenya. And yes, el Trumpo is working hard to upend the architecture of the US justice system. Only Mueller and a disinterested Republican Congress stands in his way.
But a more worrying danger is North Korea. The US and NK are now both in the hands of certified lunatics.
I agree with everything you say, Kichwa, except the inclusion of the media in that list. American main stream media is about the most one-sided biased faction as you can get out there. Everyone knows this about Fox news and conservative radio but it always surprises me how Democrats seem oblivious to the blatant biases and even extremes of their go-to CNNs and MSNBCs.
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Exactly Kadame. Everyone's with the angels but the other side is evil, corrupt, etc.
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Exactly Kadame. Everyone's with the angels but the other side is evil, corrupt, etc.
I think CNN is neutral. MSNBC is mostly left leaning. Fox News exists in a universe all its own. For some reason their local affiliates do not seem to indulge in the same make believe world.
Personally, I don't care so much for "balance" as factual information. If it's unfavorable to one side, I am fine with it.
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Exactly Kadame. Everyone's with the angels but the other side is evil, corrupt, etc.
I think CNN is neutral. MSNBC is mostly left leaning. Fox News exists in a universe all its own. For some reason their local affiliates do not seem to indulge in the same make believe world.
Personally, I don't care so much for "balance" as factual information. If it's unfavorable to one side, I am fine with it.
Fox is hideous and even openly hostile to unfriendly views of their own guests. CNN packages facts to fit their narrative. I wonder who's worse. For news I sample the networks with a pinch of salt -- local and international.
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Termi, CNN is not neutral. It hasnt been for a long time now. It is pro Democrat and unapologetically so. Theey had to be once Fox started beating everyone at the ratings due to their promotion of superstar anchors pulling audiences over drab news. These anchors get super by pandering to specific audiences.
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Exactly Kadame. Everyone's with the angels but the other side is evil, corrupt, etc.
I think CNN is neutral. MSNBC is mostly left leaning. Fox News exists in a universe all its own. For some reason their local affiliates do not seem to indulge in the same make believe world.
Personally, I don't care so much for "balance" as factual information. If it's unfavorable to one side, I am fine with it.
Fox is hideous and even openly hostile to unfriendly views of their own guests. CNN packages facts to fit their narrative. I wonder who's worse. For news I sample the networks with a pinch of salt -- local and international.
Fox does not pretend to be neutral. The thing about Leftist media is they still pretend to be neutral when they dumped that Train about 10 years ago.
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Exactly Kadame. Everyone's with the angels but the other side is evil, corrupt, etc.
I think CNN is neutral. MSNBC is mostly left leaning. Fox News exists in a universe all its own. For some reason their local affiliates do not seem to indulge in the same make believe world.
Personally, I don't care so much for "balance" as factual information. If it's unfavorable to one side, I am fine with it.
Fox is hideous and even openly hostile to unfriendly views of their own guests. CNN packages facts to fit their narrative. I wonder who's worse. For news I sample the networks with a pinch of salt -- local and international.
Fox does not pretend to be neutral. The thing about Leftist media is they still pretend to be neutral when they dumped that Train about 10 years ago.
Actually they do. Their mantra is fair and balanced. Trump would do something unimaginable just a year ago, and they would be discussing some obscure per peeve that only right wing extremists care about. If you only watched Fox News yesterday, you wouldn’t know that Bannon has Migunaed Trump.
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I believe the way people consume political media has changed. The need to debate and win a political argument or win the other side over is no longer necessary or a desired goal. Many liberals in the USA stopped consuming conservative media altogether and vice versa. The same is coming to Kenya. I remember not too long ago we would enjoy long debates between Jubiliots and Nasarites but when each side dug in, it became a waste of time. These days each side have found like minded groups where they share ideas all day long and nobody cares anymore to rebut what the other side is saying because it does not matter anymore.
Exactly Kadame. Everyone's with the angels but the other side is evil, corrupt, etc.
I think CNN is neutral. MSNBC is mostly left leaning. Fox News exists in a universe all its own. For some reason their local affiliates do not seem to indulge in the same make believe world.
Personally, I don't care so much for "balance" as factual information. If it's unfavorable to one side, I am fine with it.
Fox is hideous and even openly hostile to unfriendly views of their own guests. CNN packages facts to fit their narrative. I wonder who's worse. For news I sample the networks with a pinch of salt -- local and international.
Fox does not pretend to be neutral. The thing about Leftist media is they still pretend to be neutral when they dumped that Train about 10 years ago.
Actually they do. Their mantra is fair and balanced. Trump would do something unimaginable just a year ago, and they would be discussing some obscure per peeve that only right wing extremists care about. If you only watched Fox News yesterday, you wouldn’t know that Bannon has Migunaed Trump.
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I believe the way people consume political media has changed. The need to debate and win a political argument or win the other side over is no longer necessary or a desired goal. Many liberals in the USA stopped consuming conservative media altogether and vice versa. The same is coming to Kenya. I remember not too long ago we would enjoy long debates between Jubiliots and Nasarites but when each side dug in, it became a waste of time. These days each side have found like minded groups where they share ideas all day long and nobody cares anymore to rebut what the other side is saying because it does not matter anymore.
Exactly Kadame. Everyone's with the angels but the other side is evil, corrupt, etc.
I think CNN is neutral. MSNBC is mostly left leaning. Fox News exists in a universe all its own. For some reason their local affiliates do not seem to indulge in the same make believe world.
Personally, I don't care so much for "balance" as factual information. If it's unfavorable to one side, I am fine with it.
Fox is hideous and even openly hostile to unfriendly views of their own guests. CNN packages facts to fit their narrative. I wonder who's worse. For news I sample the networks with a pinch of salt -- local and international.
Fox does not pretend to be neutral. The thing about Leftist media is they still pretend to be neutral when they dumped that Train about 10 years ago.
Actually they do. Their mantra is fair and balanced. Trump would do something unimaginable just a year ago, and they would be discussing some obscure per peeve that only right wing extremists care about. If you only watched Fox News yesterday, you wouldn’t know that Bannon has Migunaed Trump.
Self selection in action. Reinforced by the ability to block, mute or otherwise ignore the undesirable side. There is the risk of blocking out an important perspective. Though in Kenya's situation, as you point out, it's generally pointless arguing with the other side. There is nothing new. Each side has established what it considers is the problem. The positions are hardened. All that remains is the execution of each side's goals.
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Would be a real shame if the US were to stay on that course, though. They have a solid national narrative that creates a genuine feeling of nationhood. Kenya has failed to do that. Instead, we have a country called Kenya housing several nations, two at the very least. I hope the US can course correct and not allow the Right and Left to tear them apart.
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Talking of US media,
I have yet to see anything positive about Trump on NY Times or Washington Post,which I find to be impossible regardless of his clumsiness.
There’s an interesting opinion piece on CNN I read about Trump’s gains with his foreign policy.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/26/opinions/trumps-foreign-policy-successes-opinion-bergen/index.html
Fox is pure shiet, they went as far as calling Trump investigation a coup :o
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That is because if the president of the United States were a single celled creature, something positive would be bound to happen.
Talking of US media,
I have yet to see anything positive about Trump on NY Times or Washington Post,which I find to be impossible regardless of his clumsiness.
There’s an interesting opinion piece on CNN I read about Trump’s gains with his foreign policy.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/26/opinions/trumps-foreign-policy-successes-opinion-bergen/index.html
Fox is pure shiet, they went as far as calling Trump investigation a coup :o
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That is because if the president of the United States were a single celled creature, something positive would be bound to happen.
He can’t be that bad
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He is that bad but the US has very strong institutions and the country will survive him.
That is because if the president of the United States were a single celled creature, something positive would be bound to happen.
He can’t be that bad