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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: GeeMail on September 18, 2015, 12:40:38 PM
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Breaking news. All schools public or private will remain closed from Monday until further notice.
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While I acknowledge that kamwana never promised to tackle corruption, I still say tolerance for corruption is shooting yourself in the foot. More money disappears in Waiguru-type scams every year than could be used to pay the teachers their money many times over.
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Why close private schools? That roadside declaration will be ignored by private schools.
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One wonders whether Kamwana knows where his powers begin and where it ends and where private entrepreneurial and that of human rights begin. As it is, he breaks the law with all the abandon imaginable. This is what you call "tictatorship". This is the opposite of his oath of office. Does this pilot have a compass to where he is navigating the banana republic of ghenya or has he switched to autopilot?
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education is the future, and Ubuntu is destroying the only system that was in place. His kids never used the system so why care?
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This could have been avoided if there was leadership. Patronizing others should be a thing of the past. Collaborating and finding solutions should be a model that leaders need to adopt.
Uhhru must obey the courts..
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Why close private schools? That roadside declaration will be ignored by private schools.
It's certainly difficult to see what private-school employees have to do with a pay dispute between the government and its public-school employees. What exactly is the point? Dog in a manger?
It will be interesting to see if the private schools object, and if the government then uses force (in any form) to make them comply.
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KNUT needs to be broken by all means necessary even if it means the GoK shutting schools for 3 months
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Sossion will soon be 'negotiating' on whether teachers have to be paid their September salaries ..... Nzomo/Kaimenyi/Uhuru are headed to win hands down
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I think the idea is to break their backs and those of the kids. The kids are pawns. The message is whoever you are, you cannot defy this government. As mentioned elsewhere, kamwana's kids have never had to go through these schools. There is a sense of complete detachment from the impact such decisions have on people's lives.
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Uhurus decision impacts millions of future leaders. THe education system has been under assault since Moi. No wonder we have people who cant reason. They elect mps based on the language they speak.
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Private schools are outside gov control. This is will require hard decisions.
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Actually Moi fixed the education sector. Kenya education quality is near developed countries.
Uhurus decision impacts millions of future leaders. THe education system has been under assault since Moi. No wonder we have people who cant reason. They elect mps based on the language they speak.
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I tend to dissagree on this. Moi's education system was directed at white collar jobs and that is the problem Kenya faces today. We have too many desk workers and the technicians and fundis are missing in Kenya. That is the industrial backbone of a nation which is totally missing.
Actually Moi fixed the education sector. Kenya education quality is near developed countries.
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Actually Moi fixed the education sector. Kenya education quality is near developed countries.
Uhurus decision impacts millions of future leaders. THe education system has been under assault since Moi. No wonder we have people who cant reason. They elect mps based on the language they speak.
I heard Moi threw is rungu and showed the jubilee gov his middle finger. Hate him or love him he doesn't give a rat's ass or bend over. I would be pissed too if my kids education is impacted by politics.
http://newsafricanow.com/2015/09/moi-opposed-to-closure-of-private-schools/
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Sossion chip in and says gov will only pay an extra 10B annually or 900M a month...seem doable. GoK should just pay up what they promised.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/We-have-all-along-been-guided-by-rule-of-law-/-/440808/2878088/-/v0ld9az/-/index.html
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Nope. No at all. Moi was passionate and still is passionate about education as a whole. It one thing he got right...considering the challenges. 8-4-4 was meant to essentially do that. That is why we learnt mechanics, art and craft, home science, capentry and so many courses including tailoring...as compared to the old system where folks just learn basic subjects.
I think there is no shortage of skilled folks...there is shortage of infrastructure (roads, electricity) bla bla that hinders industralization...no one who has come to kenya has ever to complained about labour! Kenyans are qualified...to do nearly any job...except those that truly require special skills. Kenyans are also 3 time more productive than sub-saharan average. If there is anything driving the kenyan economy...the bedrock lies in QUALITY education that kenyans receives...as compared to sub sahara countries. It a shame public schools have literally gone to dogs in Kibaki era....and now we have to depend on private schools.
If there is a shortage in middle level skills...it kibaki turning every college or polythenic..into a university..and Moi has been opposed to that...and I think last week...rudely intervened and re-opened Baringo Technical college...put paid to efforts to turn it into a university.
If there is something we are grateful for Moi..it has to been education...that is why to this day folks will not hesistate to send their kids to any school named or managed by Moi.
I tend to dissagree on this. Moi's education system was directed at white collar jobs and that is the problem Kenya faces today. We have too many desk workers and the technicians and fundis are missing in Kenya. That is the industrial backbone of a nation which is totally missing.
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The other option is to devolve all functions of education. Let the counties figure out what their education budgets, including teachers salaries. Leave as few responsibilities to kamwana as possible.
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Nope. No at all. Moi was passionate and still is passionate about education as a whole. It one thing he got right...considering the challenges. 8-4-4 was meant to essentially do that. That is why we learnt mechanics, art and craft, home science, capentry and so many courses including tailoring...as compared to the old system where folks just learn basic subjects.
I think there is no shortage of skilled folks...there is shortage of infrastructure (roads, electricity) bla bla that hinders industralization...no one who has come to kenya has ever to complained about labour! Kenyans are qualified...to do nearly any job...except those that truly require special skills. Kenyans are also 3 time more productive than sub-saharan average. If there is anything driving the kenyan economy...the bedrock lies in QUALITY education that kenyans receives...as compared to sub sahara countries. It a shame public schools have literally gone to dogs in Kibaki era....and now we have to depend on private schools.
If there is a shortage in middle level skills...it kibaki turning every college or polythenic..into a university..and Moi has been opposed to that...and I think last week...rudely intervened and re-opened Baringo Technical college...put paid to efforts to turn it into a university.
If there is something we are grateful for Moi..it has to been education...that is why to this day folks will not hesistate to send their kids to any school named or managed by Moi.
I tend to dissagree on this. Moi's education system was directed at white collar jobs and that is the problem Kenya faces today. We have too many desk workers and the technicians and fundis are missing in Kenya. That is the industrial backbone of a nation which is totally missing.
I agree. The one thing we can all say, is that despite his short comings, Moi was serious about education. Going to university used to be something of a status symbol earned only through hard work. Most of us Moi Era students' may not have gone to any private schools, but we come out with top notch education. That is why I can pretty much sleep throughout my classes in the West, study hard on my own, and still come out a winner. The studying discipline had already been laid.Now with colleges springing up in every corner, and every polytechnic turning into university, its hard to tell.
What Uhuru is doing is wrong, and trying to drag private institutions into his beef with public schools to make a point is ridiculous. Whatever happened to negotiations. Come to think about it, public services such as education and healthcare should never be allowed to degenerate into the chaos it has come too. Nurses on strike while patients are dying in hospitals...teachers on strike while kids are ...left to wonder what is going on.....only a failed government allows such things to happen.
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Kenyatta is an "accidental president". He does not have any leadership skills. He has no philosophy except to enrich a few Kenyans at the country's expense. The sad thing is most politicians support him because they get part of the loot. The country has been mortgaged with so much debt that in 20yrs it will be a Greece. Although Kibaki started it and gave him the touch, he never sat down to think how to balance the country economically so that there will be a thriving middle class. He is still in campaign mode, fearful of every word that comes out of Raila. And that my friends will not bring any tangible progress.
Nope. No at all. Moi was passionate and still is passionate about education as a whole. It one thing he got right...considering the challenges. 8-4-4 was meant to essentially do that. That is why we learnt mechanics, art and craft, home science, capentry and so many courses including tailoring...as compared to the old system where folks just learn basic subjects.
I think there is no shortage of skilled folks...there is shortage of infrastructure (roads, electricity) bla bla that hinders industralization...no one who has come to kenya has ever to complained about labour! Kenyans are qualified...to do nearly any job...except those that truly require special skills. Kenyans are also 3 time more productive than sub-saharan average. If there is anything driving the kenyan economy...the bedrock lies in QUALITY education that kenyans receives...as compared to sub sahara countries. It a shame public schools have literally gone to dogs in Kibaki era....and now we have to depend on private schools.
If there is a shortage in middle level skills...it kibaki turning every college or polythenic..into a university..and Moi has been opposed to that...and I think last week...rudely intervened and re-opened Baringo Technical college...put paid to efforts to turn it into a university.
If there is something we are grateful for Moi..it has to been education...that is why to this day folks will not hesistate to send their kids to any school named or managed by Moi.
I tend to dissagree on this. Moi's education system was directed at white collar jobs and that is the problem Kenya faces today. We have too many desk workers and the technicians and fundis are missing in Kenya. That is the industrial backbone of a nation which is totally missing.
I agree. The one thing we can all say, is that despite his short comings, Moi was serious about education. Going to university used to be something of a status symbol earned only through hard work. Most of us Moi Era students' may not have gone to any private schools, but we come out with top notch education. That is why I can pretty much sleep throughout my classes in the West, study hard on my own, and still come out a winner. The studying discipline had already been laid.Now with colleges springing up in every corner, and every polytechnic turning into university, its hard to tell.
What Uhuru is doing is wrong, and trying to drag private institutions into his beef with public schools to make a point is ridiculous. Whatever happened to negotiations. Come to think about it, public services such as education and healthcare should never be allowed to degenerate into the chaos it has come too. Nurses on strike while patients are dying in hospitals...teachers on strike while kids are ...left to wonder what is going on.....only a failed government allows such things to happen.
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Uhuru reminds me of George W. Bush. Clueless fellow with no intellect to lead a country. Most people will not admit it especially from his region but Uhuru after 10 years at the helm will prove to be an equal disaster like Bush after 8 years in the White House.
Kenyatta is an "accidental president". He does not have any leadership skills. He has no philosophy except to enrich a few Kenyans at the country's expense. The sad thing is most politicians support him because they get part of the loot. The country has been mortgaged with so much debt that in 20yrs it will be a Greece. Although Kibaki started it and gave him the touch, he never sat down to think how to balance the country economically so that there will be a thriving middle class. He is still in campaign mode, fearful of every word that comes out of Raila. And that my friends will not bring any tangible progress.
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I tend to disagree. I think Uhuru has done a fairly good job below the radar...compared to all the 3 presidents. They are problems he need to work on remain corruption. Security has gotten much better and we have safaricom's 14B camera working on major towns...ensuring surveillance...hopefully this is not the lull before the storm..but I believe Boinett is doing well.
If you're talking about KNUT...I don't see that as failure yet..I think TSC/SRC will want to have another go at court.. Uhuru responsibility is to squeeze the best deal out of teachers...not to quickly accede to any demands.
Where Uhuru need to pull up his socks
1) 10,000Kms road project seem dead....he need to figure it out...only Kibaki era road project are ongoing. This is definite election winner.
2) Be firm when it come to corruption.
Otherwise so far he is my most favorite pork. No drama. No intrigues. Get the job done.
Uhuru reminds me of George W. Bush. Clueless fellow with no intellect to lead a country. Most people will not admit it especially from his region but Uhuru after 10 years at the helm will prove to be an equal disaster like Bush after 8 years in the White House.
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I tend to disagree. I think Uhuru has done a fairly good job below the radar...compared to all the 3 presidents. They are problems he need to work on remain corruption. Security has gotten much better and we have safaricom's 14B camera working on major towns...ensuring surveillance...hopefully this is not the lull before the storm..but I believe Boinett is doing well.
If you're talking about KNUT...I don't see that as failure yet..I think TSC/SRC will want to have another go at court.. Uhuru responsibility is to squeeze the best deal out of teachers...not to quickly accede to any demands.
Where Uhuru need to pull up his socks
1) 10,000Kms road project seem dead....he need to figure it out...only Kibaki era road project are ongoing. This is definite election winner.
2) Be firm when it come to corruption.
Otherwise so far he is my most favorite pork. No drama. No intrigues. Get the job done.
Uhuru reminds me of George W. Bush. Clueless fellow with no intellect to lead a country. Most people will not admit it especially from his region but Uhuru after 10 years at the helm will prove to be an equal disaster like Bush after 8 years in the White House.
I disagree. Uhuru has no idea on what he is doing. On the surface it looks well but fig a little deeper and youll find out the rot.
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Maybe we can objective and list those failures and success....I think he has done quite well in 3 yrs he has been in power. The country is certainly stabler than during Kibaki era. What are the "massive" failures...that we need to know?
Gov can easily pay teachers...but something else will have to give! It important for gov to fight as hard before acceding an inch to a powerful union.
I disagree. Uhuru has no idea on what he is doing. On the surface it looks well but fig a little deeper and youll find out the rot.
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1. Corruption.
2. Debt is unsustainable in the long run
3. Security.
4. Tribalism is at an all time high. No clear goal.
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Seem like perrenial problems we grapple with. Certainly Uhuru can do more when it come to corruption and security. But he has DONE more than any other president in those two areas. He has forced 170 top big cats.....who are now in home or in court. That was historic. Ngilu,Kamau and others are in court as we speak. Security...Cops have modern equipment (new cars) more than ever..and 14B safaricom thing is live. We have gone for some months now without a terror attack...this I think is due to police doing kwekwe on those guys..I don't like it...but what option do we have..dealing with criminals that shot students indiscriminately.
Regarding debt....after rebasing the GDP..we can take more debt.
Tribalism...mmm...certainly he can do better job sharing the pie..beyond the two tribes...
1. Corruption.
2. Debt is unsustainable in the long run
3. Security.
4. Tribalism is at an all time high. No clear goal.
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Perception matters. Tribalism is not perennial, rather a problem getting worse by the decade. A bill should address this issue. Cash should be awarded to Rural Counties that have a plan for diversification.
Seem like perrenial problems we grapple with. Certainly Uhuru can do more when it come to corruption and security. But he has DONE more than any other president in those two areas. He has forced 170 top big cats.....who are now in home or in court. That was historic. Ngilu,Kamau and others are in court as we speak. Security...Cops have modern equipment (new cars) more than ever..and 14B safaricom thing is live. We have gone for some months now without a terror attack...this I think is due to police doing kwekwe on those guys..I don't like it...but what option do we have..dealing with criminals that shot students indiscriminately.
Regarding debt....after rebasing the GDP..we can take more debt.
Tribalism...mmm...certainly he can do better job sharing the pie..beyond the two tribes...
1. Corruption.
2. Debt is unsustainable in the long run
3. Security.
4. Tribalism is at an all time high. No clear goal.
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KNUT needs to be broken by all means necessary even if it means the GoK shutting schools for 3 months
I gave you the formula a long time ago. Pity you did not pass it on despite I clearly stating that it was a free gift to whoever wished to employ it. I have to confess I have some beef with these teachers trade unions that will simply not go away in a hurry. If what I proposed was inadequate, kindly get back to me and I will improve on the proposals. KNUT especially has to be converted to a SACCO.
Here are additional measures:
1. Send anti-corruption investigators to look at its books
2. Determine the status and ownership of KNUT's many properties
3. Since TSC collects money on behalf of KNUT, the use of the money must be reported to the state (TSC).