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This man believes the entire world is controlled by Jesuits. The head of Jesuits is even more powerful than the Pope. We all know Catholicism has since Reformation been fingered as the Whore of Babylon and all but presently there is a sect that regards Catholicism as its archenemy, and it's theology is founded on this 8)
Just about every other conspiracy theory revolving around Catholicism is championed by an Adventist. Read it and let me know what you think. Will share with you the Islam-Rome 'connection' some time
You can also spare some timeand watch his videos
Part 1
Part 2
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The Abyssinian Church remained Sabbath-keeping and in Ethiopia the Jesuits tried to get the Abyssinians to accept Roman Catholicism. The Abyssinian legate at the court of Lisbon denied they kept Sabbath in imitation of the Jews, but rather in obedience to Christ and the Apostles (Geddes, Church History of Ethiopia, pp. 87-88).
The Jesuits influenced king Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy in 1604, and prohibiting Sabbath worship under severe penalty (Geddes, ibid., p. 311 and also Gibbons, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Ch. 47).
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It's not too late to grow a brain Nuff Sed.
There was Blue laws in the 19th century so we will have Blue laws in 21st century
Catholicism used FORCE 500 years ago so kadame will behead you and post a video of your severed head on YouTube
The Abyssinian Church remained Sabbath-keeping and in Ethiopia the Jesuits tried to get the Abyssinians to accept Roman Catholicism. The Abyssinian legate at the court of Lisbon denied they kept Sabbath in imitation of the Jews, but rather in obedience to Christ and the Apostles (Geddes, Church History of Ethiopia, pp. 87-88).
The Jesuits influenced king Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy in 1604, and prohibiting Sabbath worship under severe penalty (Geddes, ibid., p. 311 and also Gibbons, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Ch. 47).
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It's not too late to grow a brain Nuff Sed.
There was Blue laws in the 19th century so we will have Blue laws in 21st century
Catholicism used FORCE 500 years ago so kadame will behead you and post a video of your severed head on YouTube
The Abyssinian Church remained Sabbath-keeping and in Ethiopia the Jesuits tried to get the Abyssinians to accept Roman Catholicism. The Abyssinian legate at the court of Lisbon denied they kept Sabbath in imitation of the Jews, but rather in obedience to Christ and the Apostles (Geddes, Church History of Ethiopia, pp. 87-88).
The Jesuits influenced king Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy in 1604, and prohibiting Sabbath worship under severe penalty (Geddes, ibid., p. 311 and also Gibbons, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Ch. 47).
So said Pastor A.D. Hominem.
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Study the history of Reforms and see Jesuits/Catholics fought everyone not just your cherry picked Sabbatarians. They also hounded witches,was hostile to Jews....
No Christian is least concerned with Sabbatarians, and SDAs are the least of Catholicism worries. You just have a retarded persecution mindset to make you feel special,vulnerable to give you a reason to cling to the deranged moronic woman.
It's not too late to grow a brain Nuff Sed.
There was Blue laws in the 19th century so we will have Blue laws in 21st century
Catholicism used FORCE 500 years ago so kadame will behead you and post a video of your severed head on YouTube
The Abyssinian Church remained Sabbath-keeping and in Ethiopia the Jesuits tried to get the Abyssinians to accept Roman Catholicism. The Abyssinian legate at the court of Lisbon denied they kept Sabbath in imitation of the Jews, but rather in obedience to Christ and the Apostles (Geddes, Church History of Ethiopia, pp. 87-88).
The Jesuits influenced king Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy in 1604, and prohibiting Sabbath worship under severe penalty (Geddes, ibid., p. 311 and also Gibbons, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Ch. 47).
So said Pastor A.D. Hominem.
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Pastor A.d Hominem,
You tell people to grow a brain while you here recycle arguments made in the 15th century. Unless you are a Jesuit, you really can't tell us what Jesuits pick to fight. History shows the Lutheran sect has previously joined the ranks of those fighting Sabbatarians. Are you Lutheran or Jesuit?
Study the history of Reforms and see Jesuits/Catholics fought everyone not just your cherry picked Sabbatarians. They also hounded witches,was hostile to Jews....
No Christian is least concerned with Sabbatarians, and SDAs are the least of Catholicism worries. You just have a retarded persecution mindset to make you feel special,vulnerable to give you a reason to cling to the deranged moronic woman.
From King Gustavus Vasa I, the first Lutheran king of Sweden (A.D. 1496-1560)
Dated Dec. 6, 1554:
Some time ago we heard that some of the simple and common people in Finland, doubtless inspired by Satan had fallen into a great error and false belief. They supposed that the hard times were brought upon them by God, because they no longer observed the seventh day, called Saturday, as did the Jews under Moses’ law and government. Therefore, unwilling to work on the day, they decide to follow the Jewish custom We further hear that some of those who have fallen into this error pretend to have dreams and visions urging them to such vain service. This opinion concerning Saturday - keeping, dreams and visions, is, according to the Holy Scripture, an error which harms soul and body. If you do not forsake such contempt of the Word of God, a much greater punishment awaits you. Truly, God inflicts men with various plagues, hard times famine, pestilence, and war, on account of sin, that they might turn from sin and live according to the divine will, as clearly laid down in the Holy Scripture. Furthermore, it is the plan will and earnest command of God that nothing else is to be regarded as sin, save what he himself has forbidden in his command and Word. For by his grace Almighty God has given us his holy law, that we might not be left in uncertainty as to what is right and wrong But God’s Word very clearly teaches us that in the New Testament we are not obliged to keep the seventh day as the Jews did under Moses. We Christian have nothing more to do with the whole government of Moses, for it, as well as all the ceremonies, should only remain until Christ’ advent and ascension, and then they were to cease. That we no longer have to observe the holy days which the Jews had to keep in the Old Testament, Paul proves in Gal. 4:10,11; Col 2:16. The third commandment, in which God requires us to keep the rest day holy, does not mean that we should prefer Saturday to other days; but this is the right meaning and ground of it: that God enjoins and commands that we set apart one day in the week to hear and read God’s Word diligently, and to cease form work and partake of the Lord’s supper. As the Jews had to assemble on the Sabbath, or Saturday in the Old Testament, and to perform the ceremonies given by Moses, so have we Christians in the New Testament, Sunday. For the Bible, and especially the prophecy of Daniel, plainly proves that Moses’ government and all the ceremonies ceased with the coming of Christ. Immediately after the apostles’ time, the Christian church decided, ordained, and approved of no longer using Saturday as an assembly day, but Sunday, seeing that on that day Christ had risen and had overcome the power of hell.
Therefore Sunday is, for everyone who correctly keeps it, a sure and perfect sign that Christ truly came and fulfilled all the prophecies. Therefore can the opinion of those who desire to keep Saturday be only understood in this way, that they do not fully believe that Christ has come and has gained eternal life for us by shedding his precious blood. Christian liberty has been freely granted us, so that we are no longer under the outward law and precepts. Not to believe in such a great and infinite benefits of Christ, seems to us a terrible sin against God, by which his wrath is not reconciled, but increased. Consequently, to keep Saturday and follow dreams and other errors can only lead to damnation. Therefore we not only exhort, but earnestly command all in whatever condition any of you might be who have fallen into such error, to forsake it at once, and to walk according to god’s Word, and to be instructed thereby.
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Unthaw your brains my sister,
kadame is not going to behead you for worshipping on Saturday. Ellen White clearly bit more than she could chew for extrapolating the PAST onto the FUTURE and calling this BS inspired for brainless sheeple like you to follow
The Jesuits fought everyone with contrary faith including Muslims. Pasting their entire history is no PROOF of these deranged conspiracy theories
Pastor A.d Hominem,
You tell people to grow a brain while you here recycle arguments made in the 15th century. Unless you are a Jesuit, you really can't tell us what Jesuits pick to fight. History shows the Lutheran sect has previously joined the ranks of those fighting Sabbatarians. Are you Lutheran or Jesuit?
Study the history of Reforms and see Jesuits/Catholics fought everyone not just your cherry picked Sabbatarians. They also hounded witches,was hostile to Jews....
No Christian is least concerned with Sabbatarians, and SDAs are the least of Catholicism worries. You just have a retarded persecution mindset to make you feel special,vulnerable to give you a reason to cling to the deranged moronic woman.
From King Gustavus Vasa I, the first Lutheran king of Sweden (A.D. 1496-1560)
Dated Dec. 6, 1554:
Some time ago we heard that some of the simple and common people in Finland, doubtless inspired by Satan had fallen into a great error and false belief. They supposed that the hard times were brought upon them by God, because they no longer observed the seventh day, called Saturday, as did the Jews under Moses’ law and government. Therefore, unwilling to work on the day, they decide to follow the Jewish custom We further hear that some of those who have fallen into this error pretend to have dreams and visions urging them to such vain service. This opinion concerning Saturday - keeping, dreams and visions, is, according to the Holy Scripture, an error which harms soul and body. If you do not forsake such contempt of the Word of God, a much greater punishment awaits you. Truly, God inflicts men with various plagues, hard times famine, pestilence, and war, on account of sin, that they might turn from sin and live according to the divine will, as clearly laid down in the Holy Scripture. Furthermore, it is the plan will and earnest command of God that nothing else is to be regarded as sin, save what he himself has forbidden in his command and Word. For by his grace Almighty God has given us his holy law, that we might not be left in uncertainty as to what is right and wrong But God’s Word very clearly teaches us that in the New Testament we are not obliged to keep the seventh day as the Jews did under Moses. We Christian have nothing more to do with the whole government of Moses, for it, as well as all the ceremonies, should only remain until Christ’ advent and ascension, and then they were to cease. That we no longer have to observe the holy days which the Jews had to keep in the Old Testament, Paul proves in Gal. 4:10,11; Col 2:16. The third commandment, in which God requires us to keep the rest day holy, does not mean that we should prefer Saturday to other days; but this is the right meaning and ground of it: that God enjoins and commands that we set apart one day in the week to hear and read God’s Word diligently, and to cease form work and partake of the Lord’s supper. As the Jews had to assemble on the Sabbath, or Saturday in the Old Testament, and to perform the ceremonies given by Moses, so have we Christians in the New Testament, Sunday. For the Bible, and especially the prophecy of Daniel, plainly proves that Moses’ government and all the ceremonies ceased with the coming of Christ. Immediately after the apostles’ time, the Christian church decided, ordained, and approved of no longer using Saturday as an assembly day, but Sunday, seeing that on that day Christ had risen and had overcome the power of hell.
Therefore Sunday is, for everyone who correctly keeps it, a sure and perfect sign that Christ truly came and fulfilled all the prophecies. Therefore can the opinion of those who desire to keep Saturday be only understood in this way, that they do not fully believe that Christ has come and has gained eternal life for us by shedding his precious blood. Christian liberty has been freely granted us, so that we are no longer under the outward law and precepts. Not to believe in such a great and infinite benefits of Christ, seems to us a terrible sin against God, by which his wrath is not reconciled, but increased. Consequently, to keep Saturday and follow dreams and other errors can only lead to damnation. Therefore we not only exhort, but earnestly command all in whatever condition any of you might be who have fallen into such error, to forsake it at once, and to walk according to god’s Word, and to be instructed thereby.
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I rely on history to know what Jesuits did and can do. What are you relying on? Are you a brainful sheeple?
Unthaw your brains my sister,
kadame is not going to behead you for worshipping on Saturday. Ellen White clearly bit more than she could chew for extrapolating the PAST onto the FUTURE and calling this BS inspired for brainless sheeple like you to follow
The Jesuits fought everyone with contrary faith including Muslims. Pasting their entire history is no PROOF of these deranged conspiracy theories
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Does calling me a brainless sheeple make you a brainful sheeple? I rely on history to predict what Jesuits are capable of. What are you relying on?
Unthaw your brains my sister,
kadame is not going to behead you for worshipping on Saturday. Ellen White clearly bit more than she could chew for extrapolating the PAST onto the FUTURE and calling this BS inspired for brainless sheeple like you to follow
The Jesuits fought everyone with contrary faith including Muslims. Pasting their entire history is no PROOF of these deranged conspiracy theories
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Brains
How many Blue laws have been repealed in the last 100 years since EGW checked out? How many have been added?
Note EGW was not predicting, she was PROPHESYING; it is 'bound' to come to pass.
It is precisely because of this that you have no qualms clinging to lunacy; she is a prophet, she was right, if she was wrong, your whole world crumbles :D
PS: my job is to help you think, use your head and quit looking at life with retarded EGW shades. Don't thank me, thank Jesus
Does calling me a brainless sheeple make you a brainful sheeple? I rely on history to predict what Jesuits are capable of. What are you relying on?
Unthaw your brains my sister,
kadame is not going to behead you for worshipping on Saturday. Ellen White clearly bit more than she could chew for extrapolating the PAST onto the FUTURE and calling this BS inspired for brainless sheeple like you to follow
The Jesuits fought everyone with contrary faith including Muslims. Pasting their entire history is no PROOF of these deranged conspiracy theories
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Why don't you be patient? The time of the end is not in Pastor AD Hominem's hands. You rely on history to make the claim but want to deny me that privilege when applied to Jesuits?
The problem of persecution of believers is not the blue laws per se. You should know that, unless you are taking fakery to new high levels. The issue is rebellion against God and His law. Blue laws may be repealed across the world but if arguments by fake pastors is anything to go by, the laws will remain etched in the brains of fake pastors in every pulpit. That is more effective than force or persecution.
Brains
How many Blue laws have been repealed in the last 100 years since EGW checked out? How many have been added?
Note EGW was not predicting, she was PROPHESYING; it is 'bound' to come to pass.
It is precisely because of this that you have no qualms clinging to lunacy; she is a prophet, she was right, if she was wrong, your whole world crumbles :D
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Here lies the biggest problem of relying on retards to prophesy
You will always be on lookout for non-existent signs to point to you the 'end' while ignoring the ones scripture teaches. As long as there is no National Sunday Law, the 'end' is not yet. It don't matter how many Christians are butchered, so long as it is not for sabbath, the end is far. Bleep them silly apostates :o
Why don't you be patient? The time of the end is not in Pastor AD Hominem's hands. You rely on history to make the claim but want to deny me that privilege when applied to Jesuits?
The problem of persecution of believers is not the blue laws per se. You should know that, unless you are taking fakery to new high levels. The issue is rebellion against God and His law. Blue laws may be repealed across the world but if arguments by fake pastors is anything to go by, the laws will remain etched in the brains of fake pastors in every pulpit. That is more effective than force or persecution.
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Here lies the biggest problem of relying on retards to prophesy
You will always be on lookout for non-existent signs to point to you the 'end' while ignoring the ones scripture teaches. As long as there is no National Sunday Law, the 'end' is not yet. It don't matter how many Christians are butchered, so long as it is not for sabbath, the end is far. Bleep them silly apostates :o
Why don't you be patient? The time of the end is not in Pastor AD Hominem's hands. You rely on history to make the claim but want to deny me that privilege when applied to Jesuits?
The problem of persecution of believers is not the blue laws per se. You should know that, unless you are taking fakery to new high levels. The issue is rebellion against God and His law. Blue laws may be repealed across the world but if arguments by fake pastors is anything to go by, the laws will remain etched in the brains of fake pastors in every pulpit. That is more effective than force or persecution.
Of course, all who prophesy not from the high altar of Ad Hominem Fakery are considered retards. Do you still have any kitchen sink to throw at the law of God?
The persecution of Christians (which includes Sabbatarians) does not cleanse the history of Rome persecuting Sabbatarians. Sabbath keepers are currently facing quiet persecution in civilized western, Christian nations.
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The persecution of Christians (which includes Sabbatarians) does not cleanse the history of Rome persecuting Sabbatarians.
And nobody said it does. What is clear is SDAs are fond of imagining that it is UNIQUE to them while it is not
Sabbath keepers are currently facing quiet persecution in civilized western, Christian nations.
Jehovah's Witnesses another sect with similar roots to SDAs also are facing 'quiet persecution in civilized western Christian nations'. You just need to read their paraphernalia. In fact theirs was worse due to their pacifist beliefs . Mormons can't understand why polygamy is illegal; that's persecution to them.
#PersecutionMentality is very strong in cults
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So persecution is indiscriminate? History shows otherwise. Are you still calling Kadame to come from Rome and witness kettle cult priests calling SDA lay pots black?
The persecution of Christians (which includes Sabbatarians) does not cleanse the history of Rome persecuting Sabbatarians.
And nobody said it does. What is clear is SDAs are fond of imagining that it is UNIQUE to them while it is not
Sabbath keepers are currently facing quiet persecution in civilized western, Christian nations.
Jehovah's Witnesses another sect with similar roots to SDAs also are facing 'quiet persecution in civilized western Christian nations'. You just need to read their paraphernalia . Mormons can't understand why polygamy is illegal; that's persecution to them.
#PersecutionMentality is very strong in cults
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Even Catholics have had their fair share of persecution. So for SDAs to play victim is utterly moronic and you need selective amnesia to buy their BS. What's worse is painting apocalypse in Saturday brushes. To hallucinate a doomsday scenario centering on Saturday is insanity
I wanted kadame to marvel at nitwits firing on all cylinders and heavily sedated with Adventism trying their hand at conspiracy theories.
So persecution is indiscriminate? History shows otherwise. Are you still calling Kadame to come from Rome and witness a negro kettle cult priests calling SDA lay pots black?
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This man believes the entire world is controlled by Jesuits. The head of Jesuits is even more powerful than the Pope. We all know Catholicism has since Reformation been fingered as the Whore of Babylon and all but presently there is a sect that regards Catholicism as its archenemy, and it's theology is founded on this 8)
Just about every other conspiracy theory revolving around Catholicism is championed by an Adventist. Read it and let me know what you think. Will share with you the Islam-Rome 'connection' some time
You can also spare some timeand watch his videos
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I get the impression that this man has not heard of Opus Dei. I have always though they dwarf Jesuits in terms of influence. But my opinion might be a bit dated.
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vooke, christian past is filled with much good and also sometimes, shocking evil. Daily Bread doesnt know that even protestants have their share: witch-hunts, inhuman race-based slavery and its biblical justifications, catholic and Jewish persecution in protestant lands and religious genocides. The orthodox, too. Its not just Catholics who've been good and bad. But what I know? NONE of it was ever done in the name of sabbath. It was good old fashioned tribalism: us vs them. The tribes just happened to be religious ones.
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The Abyssinian Church remained Sabbath-keeping and in Ethiopia the Jesuits tried to get the Abyssinians to accept Roman Catholicism. The Abyssinian legate at the court of Lisbon denied they kept Sabbath in imitation of the Jews, but rather in obedience to Christ and the Apostles (Geddes, Church History of Ethiopia, pp. 87-88).
The Jesuits influenced king Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy in 1604, and prohibiting Sabbath worship under severe penalty (Geddes, ibid., p. 311 and also Gibbons, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Ch. 47).
The Ethiopian church was a branch/child of the Egyptian Coptic church started by St Mark the Evangelist in Alexandria 2,000 years ago on one of his missions as St.Peter's disciple. Their beliefs and ceremonies are all Coptic-derived, including worship on Sunday which they never miss and have never missed, long before the first Jesuit found his way to Ethiopia and tried to latinize them--something that is frowned upon today and strictly forbidden in our church: proselytizing orthodox is strictly forbidden, indeed Catholics don't proselytize other Christians in general. In the old days, powerful christian cultures often imposed their cultures on different christian cultures, and on non-christian cultures in a way that did not distinguish between what was christian and what was just human culture. The latinizers and hellenizers, as they are usually called today, just like their old friends the Judaizers, were wrong. Yes, Ethiopians also keep the Jewish sabbath along with Sunday because of historically strong Jewish presence and influence in Ethiopian culture.
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I get the impression that this man has not heard of Opus Dei. I have always though they dwarf Jesuits in terms of influence. But my opinion might be a bit dated.
Actually, Opus dei are hardly 80 years old. I don't know why people think they are so powerful in the overall scheme of things. If they were, the church would be alot more conservative in worship and theological discussion than it is. Certainly they have nothing on Benedictines, Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans and Carmelites etc. Most catholics have never even met a member or even know about opus dei or its saints, including St.Josemaria. But you bet most have been influenced directly by or know about these five groups either at the parish, in schools, hospitals or common spiritual practices like the rosary and such. In contrast, virtually any catholic with more than a superficial familiarity with his faith knows very well the saints of these great houses including St Francis of Assisi, St Benedict, St. Dominic, St. Thomas Aquinas, St Catherine of Sienna, St John of the cross, St Teresa of Avila, St Therese de Lisieux,St. Ignatius of Loyola, St Francis Xavier etc etc. Many of whom are doctors of the church, not just saints/canonized,meaning they still exert influence on the church's thought and are authorities in their own right beyond their own religious houses. Which in turn means that their religious houses, as the experts/keepers of the teaching of these saints, influence the church's thought a lot.
Personally, I think the idea that opus dei is very powerful is fuelled by Dan Brown's books and by John Paul II's warm relationship with them and looking at them with favour. But he looked at many groups with favour,not just opus dei, including charismatics who'd been accused of being protestant because of their pentecostalist tendencies, pope John paul ii protected them and their way of life/worship, all that Benny Hinn stuff. He even protected one group that we now know with certainty was totally evil and cult-like, with sexual abuse, that Pope Benedict went after, immediately he became pope. John Paul II with his "new evangelization" protected and promoted all catholic ministries that claimed to teach and preach the gospel with orthodoxy and engage in works of charity, that was his way. He gave them all permission to operate without specific permission of the local bishop. This independence is why I think many think opus dei is powerful. They operate like a global "diocese" of sorts with their own bishops, much like a religious order, though they say they are lay,which would normally have placed them under the local bishop of whichever place they are at.
Now that a Jesuit is pope, I bet all the old Jesuit-papacy conspiracy theories have been revived and turned up a notch.
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kadame,
I said Adventists have a #PersecutionMentality, and I also said the same is a common trait among cults/control-groups. It is supposed to give them some form of identity; 'we have the truth and the world hates the truth so they are persecuting us'. Note at Christianity level, this is true. But narrowing it down to your own sect and selectively interpreting history and the present not to mention creating a doomsday scenario centering on your peculiarity is stretching logic and common sense.
To an Adventist, Satan through his Rome(Catholicism) agents is working overtime trying to stop sabbath keepers,and will supervise their killing at some point. Nuff Sed probably is rehearsing her final prayer before losing her mind :)
These things are taught with equal if not more fervor as the Scriptures.
They are given the same authority as scriptures seeing EGW and her writings MUST be believed to be as inspired as Paul. So they MUST be 'true'
Armed with this mindset, an Adventist will go on a fishing expedition to validate it. Glaring and contradicting facts will be casually ignored with utter contempt. You can now see why it is so easy for Adventists to cling to absurd conspiracies; EGW said so
I first read Vatican Assassins some 10 or so years back and at first, everything seemed to make sense at first. I ignored Phelp's Adventist tag, forgot about it until I read another SDA paraphernalia with his arguments. People who believe Catholics-Illuminati-Jesuits are out to control the world are the same who believe Catholicism is out to extinguish their idol; sabbath
vooke, christian past is filled with much good and also sometimes, shocking evil. Daily Bread doesnt know that even protestants have their share: witch-hunts, inhuman race-based slavery and its biblical justifications, catholic and Jewish persecution in protestant lands and religious genocides. The orthodox, too. Its not just Catholics who've been good and bad. But what I know? NONE of it was ever done in the name of sabbath. It was good old fashioned tribalism: us vs them. The tribes just happened to be religious ones.
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Some religious terrorists target Christians and Christianity is either peculiar or simple fakery.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
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Is there any reason persecution should be true for Christians but not Adventists? The more one is closer to true Christianity (e.g. by simply obeying all the Ten Commandments), the more one is likely to stand out, i.e. peculiar. Replace Adventist with whatever sect you belong to in your post and see what it comes to. Can a Muslim terrorist argue that Christians have a persecution mentality?
2 Tim 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
I said Sundaykeeping protestants have a #PersecutionMentality, and I also said the same is a common trait among cults/control-groups. It is supposed to give them some form of identity; 'we have the truth and the world hates the truth so they are persecuting us'. Note at Sundaykeeping protestants level, this is true. But narrowing it down to your own sect and selectively interpreting history and the present not to mention creating a doomsday scenario centering on your peculiarity is stretching logic and common sense.
To a Sunday keeping protestant, Satan through his Rome(Catholicism) agents is working overtime trying to stop sabbath keepers,and will supervise their killing at some point. Pastor AD Hominem probably is rehearsing her final prayer before losing her mind :)
These things are taught with equal if not more fervor as the Scriptures.
They are given the same authority as scriptures seeing Rome and her writings MUST be believed to be as inspired as Paul. So they MUST be 'true'
Armed with this mindset, a Sunday keeping protestant will go on a fishing expedition to validate it. Glaring and contradicting facts will be casually ignored with utter contempt. You can now see why it is so easy for Sunday keeping protestant to cling to absurd conspiracies; Rome said so.....
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Nuff Sed,
Religious Persecution is not unique to Adventism and nor is it centered on Saturday keeping as SDA sewers would have you fantasize.
Now, please practice thinking as I have taught you; are Adventists the MOST persecuted sect? Have they ever been?
Some religious terrorists target Christians and Christianity is either peculiar or simple fakery.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;]
Is there any reason persecution should be true for Christians but not Adventists? The more one is closer to true Christianity (e.g. by simply obeying all the Ten Commandments), the more one is likely to stand out, i.e. peculiar. Replace Adventist with whatever sect you belong to in your post and see what it comes to. Can a Muslim terrorist argue that Christians have a persecution mentality?
2 Tim 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
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You actually pride yourself with teaching people to think? What arrogance!
Don't put words in my mouth. Religious persecution has been there before EG White became your unending nightmare or SDA even existed. It's not even unique to Christians given the crusades Obama reminded us of just recently. Just ask Rome (and I posted several historical documents elsewhere on the Lord's Day thread). In your obsession with EG White, you have forgotten that Paul specifically told Timothy that there will be persecution of all who live godly lives (2 Tim 3:12). Jesus spoke about it in Matt 24:9 (a chapter which specifically mentions the Sabbath). Some believers will be persecuted for simply being believers. In Kenya now, a corrupt minister cannot claim religious persecution because everyone knows it is illegal (and sinful) to steal. However, the Sabbath being so mired in controversy within Christianity itself becomes a good reason for persecution of believers by fellow believers. It gives meaning to the antichrist beast (Babylon). Pretending to be holy, she wears a garb of Christianity, deceives the nations and arms herself with temporal powers to use force in persecuting God's people. She has done it before, is doing it and will do it again.
Nuff Sed,
Religious Persecution is not unique to Adventism and nor is it centered on Saturday keeping as SDA sewers would have you fantasize.
Now, please practice thinking as I have taught you; are Adventists the MOST persecuted sect? Have they ever been?
Some religious terrorists target Christians and Christianity is either peculiar or simple fakery.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;]
Is there any reason persecution should be true for Christians but not Adventists? The more one is closer to true Christianity (e.g. by simply obeying all the Ten Commandments), the more one is likely to stand out, i.e. peculiar. Replace Adventist with whatever sect you belong to in your post and see what it comes to. Can a Muslim terrorist argue that Christians have a persecution mentality?
2 Tim 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
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You actually pride yourself with teaching people to think? What arrogance!
Please cease and desist from misquoting me, I don't teach people to think, I teach the UNTHINKING the beauty of thinking.
Don't put words in my mouth. Religious persecution has been there before EG White became your unending nightmare or SDA even existed. It's not even unique to Christians given the crusades Obama reminded us of just recently. Just ask Rome (and I posted several historical documents elsewhere on the Lord's Day thread).
Adventists would have you think that they are the ONLY persecuted folk. Actually, there is no persecution unless somebody infringes your idol; sabbath. Look up ALL your literature for 'persecution' claims and prove me wrong.
Your idea of apocalypse which you believe MUST come to pass is beheadings for Saturday worship. How retarded is that?
In your obsession with EG White, you have forgotten that Paul specifically told Timothy that there will be persecution of all who live godly lives (2 Tim 3:12). Jesus spoke about it in Matt 24:9 (a chapter which specifically mentions the Sabbath). Some believers will be persecuted for simply being believers. In Kenya now, a corrupt minister cannot claim religious persecution because everyone knows it is illegal (and sinful) to steal. However, the Sabbath being so mired in controversy within Christianity itself becomes a good reason for persecution of believers by fellow believers. It gives meaning to the antichrist beast (Babylon). Pretending to be holy, she wears a garb of Christianity, deceives the nations and arms herself with temporal powers to use force in persecuting God's people. She has done it before, is doing it and will do it again
It is decidedly ironical that Nuff Sed who was baptized in the name of Ellen Gould White , who believes she is as inspired as Paul and whose definition of FAITH is believing in EGW and the scriptures would call me obsessed with EGW. Adventists are the ones who are mindlessly worshipping EGW. Look at Catholicism, they don't have epistles by Mary.
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Look at Catholicism, they don't have epistles by Mary.
Do you have any idea what Marian doctrine is? If you want to debate me, you had better leave Kadame and Rome out.
Adventists are very conscious that many lost their lives to defend the Bible that fake preachers so easily ignore and trample these days. John Huss was one of them.
"When the fagots were piled up to his very neck, the duke of Bavaria was so officious as to desire him to abjure. "No, (said Huss;) I never preached any doctrine of an evil tendency; and what I taught with my lips I now seal with my blood." He then said to the executioner, "You are now going to burn a goose, (Huss signifying goose in the Bohemian language:) but in a century you will have a swan which you can neither roast nor boil." If he were prophetic, he must have meant Martin Luther, who shone about a hundred years after, and who had a swan for his arms.
The flames were now applied to the fagots, when our martyr sung a hymn with so loud and cheerful a voice that he was heard through all the cracklings of the combustibles, and the noise of the multitude. At length his voice was interrupted by the severity of the flames, which soon closed his existence. Then, with great diligence, gathering the ashes together, they cast them into the river Rhine, that the least remnant of that man should not be left upon the earth, whose memory, notwithstanding, cannot be abolished out of the minds of the godly, neither by fire, neither by water, neither by any kind of torment.
http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox108.htm
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Nuff Sed,
Catholicism is not the point. Just illustrating how your faith in EGW exceeds a Catholic's faith in Mary.
EGW was inspired just as the apostles. She is the ONLY person in the last 1900 years to have the gift of prophecy and other garbage
Look at Catholicism, they don't have epistles by Mary.
Do you have any idea what Marian doctrine is? If you want to debate me, you had better leave Kadame and Rome out.
Adventists are very conscious that many lost their lives to defend the Bible that fake preachers so easily ignore and trample these days. John Huss was one of them.
"When the fagots were piled up to his very neck, the duke of Bavaria was so officious as to desire him to abjure. "No, (said Huss;) I never preached any doctrine of an evil tendency; and what I taught with my lips I now seal with my blood." He then said to the executioner, "You are now going to burn a goose, (Huss signifying goose in the Bohemian language:) but in a century you will have a swan which you can neither roast nor boil." If he were prophetic, he must have meant Martin Luther, who shone about a hundred years after, and who had a swan for his arms.
The flames were now applied to the fagots, when our martyr sung a hymn with so loud and cheerful a voice that he was heard through all the cracklings of the combustibles, and the noise of the multitude. At length his voice was interrupted by the severity of the flames, which soon closed his existence. Then, with great diligence, gathering the ashes together, they cast them into the river Rhine, that the least remnant of that man should not be left upon the earth, whose memory, notwithstanding, cannot be abolished out of the minds of the godly, neither by fire, neither by water, neither by any kind of torment.
http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox108.htm
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Hello Nuff Sed,
(http://fitzinfo.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/protestants-rewrite-bible.jpg)
:lolz: :lolz: :lolz:
Some good read for you on fallacies of your beliefs
Common fallacious arguments of the Jesuit conspiracy meme
The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) created Freemasonry (through the Knights Templars] and is implicitly masonic itself
Excommunicated Jesuit Francisco Ribera created Zionism/premillennial dispensationalism
The Jesuits/Vatican control the monetary system
The Jesuits control Hollywood
The RCC created the religion of Islam (yes, they really claim this)
The RCC created the Bavarian Order of the Illuminati through Jesuit-trained (actually a converso) Adam Weishaupt
The RCC published (created?) the Babylonian Talmud
The RCC created the Nazis and is responsible for all anti-Semitism
The Jesuits are behind the CIA, Federal Reserve, and communism
The Jesuits ignited the French and Russian revolutions
https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/tag/seventh-day-adventist/
PS: It is good to note that Adventists are not alone in propagating these conspiracies. The difference between an Adventist and the rest is SDAs are REQUIRED to believe them because EGW said so and she was as inspired as Paul. So while I may subscribe to it and drop it in the afternoon, you can't however ridiculous and tenuous the theory proves out. You must consistently keep on digging for 'facts' to validate your beliefs while ignoring contradictions.
For you, dumping this theory is trashing EGW claims of inspiration which is an article of faith for you...too much at stake here. More like a Christian who disputes the historicity of Christ :o
PS: kadame, you are to blame for ISIL and Al shabaab and here you are shedding gator tears for #147NotJustANumber
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Nuff Sed,
Catholicism is not the point. Just illustrating how your faith in EGW exceeds a Catholic's faith in Mary.
EGW was inspired just as the apostles. She is the ONLY person in the last 1900 years to have the gift of prophecy and other garbage
Look at Catholicism, they don't have epistles by Mary.
Do you have any idea what Marian doctrine is? If you want to debate me, you had better leave Kadame and Rome out.
Adventists are very conscious that many lost their lives to defend the Bible that fake preachers so easily ignore and trample these days. John Huss was one of them.
"When the fagots were piled up to his very neck, the duke of Bavaria was so officious as to desire him to abjure. "No, (said Huss;) I never preached any doctrine of an evil tendency; and what I taught with my lips I now seal with my blood." He then said to the executioner, "You are now going to burn a goose, (Huss signifying goose in the Bohemian language:) but in a century you will have a swan which you can neither roast nor boil." If he were prophetic, he must have meant Martin Luther, who shone about a hundred years after, and who had a swan for his arms.
The flames were now applied to the fagots, when our martyr sung a hymn with so loud and cheerful a voice that he was heard through all the cracklings of the combustibles, and the noise of the multitude. At length his voice was interrupted by the severity of the flames, which soon closed his existence. Then, with great diligence, gathering the ashes together, they cast them into the river Rhine, that the least remnant of that man should not be left upon the earth, whose memory, notwithstanding, cannot be abolished out of the minds of the godly, neither by fire, neither by water, neither by any kind of torment.
http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox108.htm
vooke,
I met a Mormon prophet in 2003. They are there. Elen White was not the last prophet.
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I'm going to a Jesuit church right now. They don't seem bad ? I don't get it.
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Read this first
http://listverse.com/2013/08/21/10-crazy-catholic-conspiracy-theories/
I'm going to a Jesuit church right now. They don't seem bad ? I don't get it.
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I did just then. Interesting but hard to believe they'd be responsible for major events. The world is a big place with numerous other forces and entities, not just limited to man ordained organisations.
It wasn't my intention to attend this church, but that particular day I walked into a building (there was no church sign outside the building). It was overflowing with people, quite a large congregation. I could see through them. Most of them traditionalists, the usual churchy atmosphere.
I sat at the back quietly watching and didn't partake in the sacrament. I could "feel" the priest. Quite an elderly priest. His sermon touched me. He shared exactly the same sentiments as me to the tee. That last comment however made all the difference. He spoke of the Middle East and the need for peace. When I shook his hand at the end of the service they felt soft, he was dying. I looked him in the eye and saw fear. He'd seen things, very corrupt things, very evil things. He was dying and he was scared. He questioned whether he'd go to heaven after what he'd seen. A look can reveal a lot about an individual.
I know there's something brainwashy about the Jesuits, I felt it in the congregation. They're scared of something, and I don't sense that to be the Almighty. They're concealing something still alive today. Unfortunately my eyes are blind to it. I'm attending until I see a crack somewhere so I can see whatever they're hiding.
Any thoughts ?
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Voke you risk becoming the Catholic apologist-in-chief and the chief of anti-Adventists. Is there any reason we should trust this Fitzpatrick more than the historical records documenting Jesuit exploits? I really like the way James handles this Fitzpatrick in the comments. Google "Sananda Jesus" and see for yourself. You are free to dismiss Ellen White but I think you're really barking up the wrong tree.
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Nuff Sed,
I have little problem with Adventism,am a man on a sensitive assignment namely promoting thinking. By now it should be clear that Adventism and thinking are mutually exclusive. Thinking worships at the altar of Adventism. If only the amount of man hours spent defending a schizophrenic woman was spent contending for the faith!
Once you submit to EGW's inspiration, you are bound to swallow all garbage she churned out regardless of how retarded it is.
That the U.S. will team with RCC to hunt down SDAs and behead them? That's lunacy on stilts
Voke you risk becoming the Catholic apologist-in-chief and the chief of anti-Adventists. Is there any reason we should trust this Fitzpatrick more than the historical records documenting Jesuit exploits? I really like the way James handles this Fitzpatrick in the comments. Google "Sananda Jesus" and see for yourself. You are free to dismiss Ellen White but I think you're really barking up the wrong tree.
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I did just then. Interesting but hard to believe they'd be responsible for major events. The world is a big place with numerous other forces and entities, not just limited to man ordained organisations.
It wasn't my intention to attend this church, but that particular day I walked into a building (there was no church sign outside the building). It was overflowing with people, quite a large congregation. I could see through them. Most of them traditionalists, the usual churchy atmosphere.
I sat at the back quietly watching and didn't partake in the sacrament. I could "feel" the priest. Quite an elderly priest. His sermon touched me. He shared exactly the same sentiments as me to the tee. That last comment however made all the difference. He spoke of the Middle East and the need for peace. When I shook his hand at the end of the service they felt soft, he was dying. I looked him in the eye and saw fear. He'd seen things, very corrupt things, very evil things. He was dying and he was scared. He questioned whether he'd go to heaven after what he'd seen. A look can reveal a lot about an individual.
I know there's something brainwashy about the Jesuits, I felt it in the congregation. They're scared of something, and I don't sense that to be the Almighty. They're concealing something still alive today. Unfortunately my eyes are blind to it. I'm attending until I see a crack somewhere so I can see whatever they're hiding.
Any thoughts ?
LOL! Hi Veri. :)
I wouldn't read too much into it. There is no "secret" to be discovered there. However heretical/false/silly you find any number of catholic doctrines, they are no big secret, out there in bright daylight for you to criticize/reject to your heart's content.
Don't be drawn into the cuckoo world of conspiracy theorists. They will soon have you watching out from under your blanket/bed with torches/telescopes for UFOs flying in formation over crop circles, kept out of public info by the American Military/NASA/CIA ever since the aliens secretly landed in Roswell in 1952..Since when they've been kidnapping and studying us and raping us and returning us back to our beds when they are done!... :-X :D
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You make me sound like a nut.
Bella, dear, do I look like the kind of chic who buys into conspiracy? I don't believe in aliens. I know Ludy did.
These people are hiding something and I'm getting to the bottom of it. I think you should come join me. We can go on this witch hunt together. Safety in numbers. I have popcorn, black attire, candies.. you could bring the binoculars and holy relics.
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veritas,
Have you been to einstein's bagels yet?
Grab a copy of these.
(https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7611/17102925945_4afd749af3_b.jpg)
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Oooooooooooooooooo :D I have to have it !!!!!
Why are they called "Einstein's bagels" ?
(http://www.einsteinbros.com/sites/all/themes/einsteinbros/img/ebb_fb_logo.jpg)
I feel smarter just looking at this logo. Looking through a bagel... what insight. Which one is Einstein ?
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Oooooooooooooooooo :D I have to have it !!!!!
Why are they called "Einstein's bagels" ?
(http://www.einsteinbros.com/sites/all/themes/einsteinbros/img/ebb_fb_logo.jpg)
I feel smarter just looking at this logo. Looking through a bagel... what insight. Which one is Einstein ?
I'm guessing Einstein has to be the one with the mustache. He wasn't bald either....though I dont remember seeing him with a hat or beard, for that matter! :) Maybe he is not in the picture.
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Maybe they're Einstein's jealous bros...
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Oooooooooooooooooo :D I have to have it !!!!!
Why are they called "Einstein's bagels" ?
(http://www.einsteinbros.com/sites/all/themes/einsteinbros/img/ebb_fb_logo.jpg)
I feel smarter just looking at this logo. Looking through a bagel... what insight. Which one is Einstein ?
I think it's a play on their Jewish origins.