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Forum => Controversial => Topic started by: vooke on February 14, 2015, 10:13:17 PM
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Still following the confused 'health' manuals from White?
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Does eating pepper or a slice of turkey make me less spiritual? Why, to this day, does the Loma Linda University student cafeteria not have black pepper available for its patrons? Will eating bread warm from the oven ruin my health, blocking my communication with God? Does it glorify God if I live in a catsup-free zone?
These questions sound contrived for effect, but they arise from real practices of generations of Seventh-day Adventists.What lies behind them? Let’s explore some of the reasons that Adventists eat the way they do.
“Health” would likely be the top reason many Adventists would give to the outside world to explain the culture of Adventist eating. In fact, the following example is only one of many Adventist stories I remember in which an Adventist would show a non-Adventist a piece of meat under a microscope, thus eliciting exclamations of horror at the “nasty, wriggling little worms” that were making their abode there. Convinced and converted, the non-Adventist would thenceforth refuse to eat unclean meat.
source (http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamation/2015/1/adventisthealthm.html)
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It seems like a lifestyle one would recommend from a healthy eating perspective. When I discovered that I got painful canker sores every time I ate a pineapple, I replaced it with papaya and have never looked back.
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It seems like a lifestyle one would recommend from a healthy eating perspective. When I discovered that I got painful canker sores every time I ate a pineapple, I replaced it with papaya and have never looked back.
Termie,
I hate pineapples for the same reasons, too much acid. If I have to, I prefer the over-ripe,slightly fermented and the base part because it has the highest sugar content.
While an average Adventist walks around imagining that Ellen White was 'inspired' and 'ahead of her time' because of her 'health visions,they fail to realize that the 'health' messages was the fad in her time and well before she was born. Adventists are quite comfortable dissecting Catholicism history spanning hundreds of years but they are extremely terrified of confronting theirs which is barely 150 years young.
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Ellen G. White advocated for a vegetarian diet (not vegan). Read more about Adventist diet here: http://www.ivu.org/history/adventists/white.html. The Adventist health message goes far beyond diet (includes exercise, use of plenty of fresh water, sunlight, temperance/moderation of the use of all healthy things and foods, fresh air, plenty of rest (including on the Sabbath), and trust in God. Adventist health principles including vegetarian diet are some of the reasons Adventists are almost always included in longevity studies.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/02/20/spc-vital-signs-art-of-aging-a.cnn
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30351406
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/seventh-day-adventists-life-expectancy_n_5638098.html
Statistics have shown that religion makes people happier, but it turns out it can help you live longer, too.
In an attempt to "reverse engineer longevity," Dan Buettner has spent years researching the parts of the world where people live much longer than average. Most of those locations are outside the United States -- including Sardinia, Italy, and Okinawa, Japan -- but there is one long-living group stateside. It's the Seventh-day Adventists, who live an average of 10 years longer than the American life expectancy of about 79 years.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/healthscience/2015/February/Secrets-to-Longevity-Revealed-in-Denominations-Lifestyle/
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/feature1/
What if I said you could add up to ten years to your life? A long healthy life is no accident. It begins with good genes, but it also depends on good habits. If you adopt the right lifestyle, experts say, chances are you may live up to a decade longer. So what's the formula for success? In recent years researchers have fanned out across the globe to find the secrets to long life. Funded in part by the U.S. National Institute on Aging, scientists have focused on several regions where people live significantly longer. In Sardinia, Italy, one team of demographers found a hot spot of longevity in mountain villages where men reach age 100 at an amazing rate. On the islands of Okinawa, Japan, another team examined a group that is among the longest lived on Earth. And in Loma Linda, California, researchers studied a group of Seventh-day Adventists who rank among America's longevity all-stars. Residents of these three places produce a high rate of centenarians, suffer a fraction of the diseases that commonly kill people in other parts of the developed world, and enjoy more healthy years of life. In sum, they offer three sets of "best practices" to emulate. The rest is up to you.
http://www.oregonlive.com/living/index.ssf/2012/05/seventh-day_adventists_health.html
Long before the culture around them embraced vegetarian diets, the search for vitamin D and the elusive goal of a good night's sleep, Seventh-day Adventists had staked their lives on health principles laid down by their founders more than 150 years ago. Ellen White, who wrote scores of books for her fellow Adventists, summarized the "Eight Laws of Health" in the 1860s. Today, as many mainstream Christian denominations are losing members in the United States, Adventists are growing steadily, partly because of their emphasis on wellness.
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Ellen G. White advocated for a vegetarian diet (not vegan). Read more about Adventist diet here: http://www.ivu.org/history/adventists/white.html. The Adventist health message goes far beyond diet (includes exercise, use of plenty of fresh water, sunlight, temperance/moderation of the use of all healthy things and foods, fresh air, plenty of rest (including on the Sabbath), and trust in God. Adventist health principles including vegetarian diet are some of the reasons Adventists are almost always included in longevity studies.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/02/20/spc-vital-signs-art-of-aging-a.cnn
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30351406
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/seventh-day-adventists-life-expectancy_n_5638098.html
Statistics have shown that religion makes people happier, but it turns out it can help you live longer, too.
In an attempt to "reverse engineer longevity," Dan Buettner has spent years researching the parts of the world where people live much longer than average. Most of those locations are outside the United States -- including Sardinia, Italy, and Okinawa, Japan -- but there is one long-living group stateside. It's the Seventh-day Adventists, who live an average of 10 years longer than the American life expectancy of about 79 years.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/healthscience/2015/February/Secrets-to-Longevity-Revealed-in-Denominations-Lifestyle/
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/feature1/
What if I said you could add up to ten years to your life? A long healthy life is no accident. It begins with good genes, but it also depends on good habits. If you adopt the right lifestyle, experts say, chances are you may live up to a decade longer. So what's the formula for success? In recent years researchers have fanned out across the globe to find the secrets to long life. Funded in part by the U.S. National Institute on Aging, scientists have focused on several regions where people live significantly longer. In Sardinia, Italy, one team of demographers found a hot spot of longevity in mountain villages where men reach age 100 at an amazing rate. On the islands of Okinawa, Japan, another team examined a group that is among the longest lived on Earth. And in Loma Linda, California, researchers studied a group of Seventh-day Adventists who rank among America's longevity all-stars. Residents of these three places produce a high rate of centenarians, suffer a fraction of the diseases that commonly kill people in other parts of the developed world, and enjoy more healthy years of life. In sum, they offer three sets of "best practices" to emulate. The rest is up to you.
http://www.oregonlive.com/living/index.ssf/2012/05/seventh-day_adventists_health.html
Long before the culture around them embraced vegetarian diets, the search for vitamin D and the elusive goal of a good night's sleep, Seventh-day Adventists had staked their lives on health principles laid down by their founders more than 150 years ago. Ellen White, who wrote scores of books for her fellow Adventists, summarized the "Eight Laws of Health" in the 1860s. Today, as many mainstream Christian denominations are losing members in the United States, Adventists are growing steadily, partly because of their emphasis on wellness.
There is nothing EGW said or wrote that had not been written,taught and emphasised decades before. She copied everything and would have you sheeple believe she received it in a vision.
Can you imagine vooke catching a vision of al shabaab attacks now?
And don't kid you, atheism, eastern religion are all on the rise in America not to mention Islam
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I have looked the "SDA Diet". It seems very sensible. Is the problem that it came from this Ellen White lady?
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I have looked the "SDA Diet". It seems very sensible. Is the problem that it came from this Ellen White lady?
No.
The problem is that Ellen White waited till she had 'visions' before endorsing a 'health' movement that predated her birth by decades, and she swore hers was from God himself.
A bigger problem is that she is routinely packaged as 'ahead of her time' as a result of her 'health visions'.
An even bigger problem is, the irony of it all is lost on her adherents; elaborate 'health visions' borrowing EVERYTHING from existing fads.
The biggest problem? As medical science advanced and some of her 'health visions' turned ludicrous, they was omitted from later editions of her books where possible, while the rest are regarded as 'innocent mistakes of a 19th century rural girl'
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I was asking about just the "diet". But never mind; it's "reassuring" to note, from this thread, that Christian folk haven't lost the ability to trade hard sectarian blows.
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DOES ADVENTISM’S HEALTH MESSAGE CONFLICT WITH THE BIBLICAL GOSPEL? (http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamation/2015/1/askthepastor.html)
The answer is a clear “yes” and an uncertain “no”. The Adventist emphasis on healthful living is good. Adventists have been leaders in developing hospitals, medical and dental schools, and clinics around the world. However, Ellen White makes a number of statements regarding health that have proven to be incorrect, have no biblical support, may have their roots in pagan religions, put people under false guilt, and most importantly, undermine the gospel.
Ellen White said, meat eating “has always been a curse to the human family”.1 If true, one wonders why Christ, the sinless One, ate meat even just before the cross, on the day of the resurrection, and later served His disciples a fish breakfast.
For over a thousand years there was no restriction on what man was to eat.2 Later, when God wanted to make a separation between Israel and the other nations, God gave them the clean and unclean laws, as well as rituals and dress codes.3 When the old covenant came to an end at the cross and the gospel was no longer associated with a particular people, the clean and unclean rules were removed.4
There are a number of negative aspects of Adventist’s teachings on health; we will look at only two. First is their continuing reliance on Ellen White’s statements as the final word on health. For example, she often linked the evils of tobacco and liquor with the use of coffee and tea.5, 6
…Medical studies have now shown that both coffee7 and tea8 used in moderation have more positive healthful benefits than negative effects.
A second negative aspect of the Adventist health message is that it confuses the simple gospel of faith in Christ by making healthful living a means of acceptance with God and/or personal sanctification. Anything that takes away from our completeness in Christ is a false gospel. Ellen White said that the health message is not the gospel but only the “right arm of the gospel”; however, many of her statements confuse the issue. Following are a few such statements while many could be given.
Never should a morsel of food pass the lips between meals.9 …not even an apple, a nut, or any kind of fruit.10 … Did the smallness of the amount lessen the sin of the act?11
You place upon your tables butter, eggs, and meat, and your children partake of them. They are fed with the very things that will excite their animal passions, and then you come to meeting and ask God to bless and save your children. How high do your prayers go? You have a work to do first. When you have done all for your children which God has left for you to do, then you can with confidence claim the special help that God has promised to give you.12
Scripture makes clear that food is not something that draws us to God or separates us from God.13 The gospel is not lifestyle but is our faith in the finished work of Christ centered on His death, burial and resurrection.14 Health is important. Christians should be intelligent in healthful practices. However, we should never think that our diet will commend us to God.†
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I have looked the "SDA Diet". It seems very sensible. Is the problem that it came from this Ellen White lady?
If Ellen White said the sky was blue, Voke would paint it red.
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I have looked the "SDA Diet". It seems very sensible. Is the problem that it came from this Ellen White lady?
If Ellen White said the sky was blue, Voke would paint it red.
Nuff Sed, it's vooke not Voke.
Ellen White has said the sky is green and you have been repeating that for 150 years and you risk hell for challenging her
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Nuff Sed,
Is there anything on Ellen White's dietary madness that had not been said before?
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The Bible and Vegeterianism
http://www.tektonics.org/uz/veggie02.php
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www.bbc.com/news/health-34615621
Ellen G. White's inspiration vindicated once again.
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October 27 , 2015
Dear Friends,
Big news today all around the world: the World Health Organisation has FINALLY announced that meat causes cancer! Who could have ever thought that? Well, maybe someone could have….
Below is a link to an article written by highly respected Sydney surgeon, Dr. David Pennington about Ellen White’s astonishing statements explaining the links between meat consumption and cancer. Statements made not this year. Not this decade. But over 100 years ago!
What’s funny? These statements have long been used to “prove” Ellen White was a fraud. In fact, you can go to anti-Ellen White sites today and find exactly those kinds of attacks! Memo to those haters: quick, edit your websites! :)
So, have a read of this amazing article, and share it with your friends and family. I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of hearing our faith bashed left and right, and people of faith treated like we’re brainless dolts.
God’s wisdom is foolishness to this world. And I’ll take His wisdom every time. How about you?
James Standish
http://record.net.au/items/was-ellen-white-right
WAS ELLEN WHITE RIGHT?
Have you googled Ellen White? If you have, you’ve likely found the White Estate and a few other helpful sites—along with sites that attack her credibility, ethics and reliability. The critical sites recycle the usual quotes taken out of context, repeat well-worn character attacks, and focus like lasers on a few snippets taken from her close to 100,000 pages of writing that are, indeed, difficult to understand (what is surprising to any of us who have written and subsequently discovered our words have been misunderstood, is how few difficult to understand statements there are in those thousands and thousands of pages).
But what I find most interesting about the attacks—particularly those on her health advice—is how out of date the attacks are. And as medical science advances, more and more of her statements that were used to “prove” her wrong, are actually being confirmed. Ironically, in the process, the very statements once used to knock her, are today bolstering the case for Ellen White’s prophetic gift.
Let’s look at one example. Some websites have attacked Ellen White’s statements about “cancerous germs”. An example from the website “Ellen White Exposed” illustrates the attacks:
“Mrs White taught that the cancer germ was transmitted to humans by eating meat, but there is no evidence that cancer is transferred to humans in that manner.”
Really? Someone should tell the medical community. But before we hear from them, let’s look at what Ellen White actually said on the subject.
As early as 1864, Ellen White referred to one of the causes of cancer using the word ”humour”, a term commonly understood in her day as a fluid or vapour. Specifically, she stated: “Cancerous humour, which would lay dormant in the system their life-time, is inflamed, and commences its eating, destructive work.”1
More than 40 years later she used more modern terminology to express a similar warning:
“People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer and other fatal diseases are thus communicated.”2 She used the term “germs” at a time when its meaning was very broad, as it predated the use of the word “virus”.
Today, even the most vocal critics have to admit that there are viral causes for some cancers, and there is no controversy over the cause of tuberculosis. What critics focus on are bacteria. They define “germs” narrowly to exclude viruses, even though in Ellen White’s time the medical community referred to all communicable diseases, whether they be viruses or bacterial infections, as “germs”. Incorrectly applying modern nomenclature to writings more than a century old, they then allege that Ellen White was wrong, because they think bacteria do not cause cancer. But they are woefully ignorant of the huge amount of recent scientific data unveiling a number of bacteria as likely causes of some of the commonest cancers of our era.
Hence, even if Ellen White’s statements are read to only refer to bacteria, there can still be no doubt she was spot on.
Medical science concludes bacteria cause common cancers
In 2006, cancer expert, Professor Max Parkin, estimated that 18 per cent of the global cancer burden was attributable to infectious agents, both bacteria and viruses: 3
“Several infectious agents are considered to be causes of cancer in humans . . . The estimated total of infection-attributable cancer in the year 2002 is 1.9 million cases, or 17.8 per cent of the global cancer burden. The principal agents are the bacterium Helicobacter pylori (5.5 per cent of all cancer), the human papilloma viruses (5.2 per cent), the hepatitis B and C viruses (4.9 per cent), Epstein-Barr virus (1 per cent), human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) together with the human herpes virus 8 (0.9 per cent). Relatively less important causes of cancer are the schistosomes (0.1 per cent), human T-cell lymphotropic virus type I (0.03 per cent) and the liver flukes (0.02 per cent).”
Commenting on this in the highly authoritative journal, Clinical Microbiology, the authors, Chang and Parsonnet, state: “Although this estimate includes viruses and parasites in addition to bacteria, we believe it to be quite conservative, as it is based on only a few well-established causative pathogens. The estimate does not include the many types of cancers reviewed here for which a bacterial etiology is suspected but has not yet been proven definitively.” 4
Their conclusion?
“As cancer continues its climb as the leading cause of death in developed nations, understanding the long-term effects of bacteria has become increasingly important as a possible means of cancer prevention.”
It has been known for some time that bowel cancer, the second-commonest internal cancer in the Western world, has its highest incidence in the United States, Argentina and Australia. It is hardly a coincidence that these three countries are the largest beef-eaters and producers in the world. Even as long ago as 1951, a bacterium called Streptococcus bovis was isolated from the faeces of a high proportion of bowel cancer sufferers. S. bovis exists in the intestines of beef and dairy cattle, and in excess may cause serious disease in them, such as “bloat”. Whilst evidence of a causal relationship between this bacterium and bowel cancer is still debated, the evidence is building rapidly that S. boviscolonisation of the human intestine transmitted from meat products has an insidious long-term carcinogenic effect.
“A study by Ellmerich, et al, in 2000 proposed that S. bovis and antigens from the bacterial cell wall promoted the progression of preneoplastic colonic lesions in rats . . . Perhaps S. bovis causes chronic inflammation, thereby promoting carcinogenesis, or the bacteria may secrete a metabolite that induces neoplastic change”5 (Quoted by Westling et al) 6 .
A research article by Biarc et al concluded:
“These data support the hypothesis that colonic bacteria can contribute to cancer development particularly in chronic infection/inflammation diseases where bacterial components may interfere with cell function.” 7
This research has been supported by others in the field.
Drs Chang and Parsonnet in their article enumerate a number of cancers in humans that are now either known or suspected to be caused directly or indirectly by bacteria. These include the following:
Gastric (stomach) cancer: more than 60 per cent of all cases are caused by chronic infection with the bacterium Helicobacter pylori.
Helicobacter organisms, including H. pylori8, are readily found in chickens and meat for human consumption. 9 10
Colorectal cancer: there is a strong association with Streptococcus bovis and some other bacteria.
Bile duct cancer is associated with chronic infections with Salmonella enterica and Helicobacterspecies in many cases.
Cervical cancer in women is associated with chronic chlamydia trachomatis infection, which may act as a co-carcinogen with the human papilloma virus (HPV).
Prostate cancer: some cases have been associated with chronic infection of the prostate withPropionibacterium acnes.
The so-called “MALT” sub-types of lymphomas are often associated with chronic infections with Helicobacter, Chlamidophila psittaci and Borrelia burgdorferi.
Conclusion
Returning to Ellen White’s original description of these causes of cancer, we note that she indicates that the process is slow and insidious. This is in contrast to the rapid and often quickly fatal infections widely understood in her day. She says that “cancerous humours” (ie, something of an infected fluidic nature) would “lay dormant in the system their life-time” before they commenced their “eating, destructive work”. Using slightly different terms, modern science would describe the cancer-causing process as occurring in just the same way.
Moreover, today’s medical research has fully and comprehensively backed up her assertion that “cancerous germs” are a cause of cancer. Is it remarkable that a woman with very little formal education, no medical training and writing over a century ago was able to pinpoint the cause of many cancers? Yes, it is. Is it equally remarkable that today, critics continue to blindly ignore the mounting evidence supporting her visionary statements. And even some of us can easily be led to doubt by these ill-informed attacks.
Surely the mounds of scientific research that now support her insights should give us pause before falling for the attacks. Yes, there are statements she made that remain unconfirmed by modern science. Rather than blithely believing, therefore, that she is wrong, we’d be wise to give science a little more time to catch up.
1. Appeal to Mothers p 27
2. Ministry of Healing p 313
3. Parkin, DM, The global health burden of infection-associated cancers in the year 2002. Int J Cancer. 2006 Jun 15;118(12):3030-44
4. Chang, AH & Parsonnet, J. The role of bacteria in oncogenesis. Clinical Microbiology 2010, Oct; 23(4), 837-57
5. 18. Ellmerich S, Scholler M, Duranton B, et al. Promotion of intestinal carcinogenesis by Streptococcus bovis. Carcinogenesis 2000;21:753 – 6.
6. Westling et al, Diseases of the Colon & Rectum, 2006, Aug: vol. 49(8), p 1226
7. Biarc et al, Journal of Carcinogenesis 2004, Aug. vol 25(8), p 1477
8. Helicobacter pylori was first shown to be the principal cause of gastric ulceration by the Australian scientists Barry Marshall and Robin Warren in 1982.
9. Nebbia P et al, Identification of enteric Helicobacter in avian species. Schweiz Arch Tierheilkd. 2007 Sep;149(9):403-7.
10. Dimola S, Caruso ML. Anticancer Res. 1999 Sep-Oct;19(5B):3889-94. Helicobacter pylori in animals affecting the human habitat through the food chain.
Dr David Pennington is the Former Head, Department of Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, and is currently Associate Professor, Department of Cosmetic & Plastic Surgery, Australian School of Advanced Medicine, Macquarie University.