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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 04, 2015, 08:34:01 PM
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The real mystery for me. What are these witnesses smoking? and I know vooke disagrees, but the moment you become a witness against a man facing those types of charges, you want to create some daylight(a decent chunk of timezones preferrably) between yourself and the domain in which he operates.
This fellow did not even bother to leave the vicinity of Uasin Gishu. He earns my first Darwin Award nomination for 2015 by a prohibitive margin.
Nairobi - An ICC witness has been found dead in Eldoret, close to a week after mysteriously disappearing.
Meshack Yebei disappeared from his home near Turbo on 28 December 2014 and was found dead Friday 2 January 2015 in a mortuary.
Yebei disappeared in Turbo after he allegedly went to look for drinking water for his child and days after his family reported his disappearance to police, his body was found in a thicket on the banks of River Yala many kilometers from his home.
Yebei was an outspoken voice against injustices that took place during the post election violence in 2008 and was nit shy on speaking matters ICC.
http://www.news24.co.ke/MyNews24/ICC-witness-mysteriously-found-dead-20150104
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The formula worked for Uhuru and Muthaura.
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Isn't this too late for WSR; OTP are concluding their case. This indeed look like a hit.
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Negro was taken out no doubt.
I first read about his disappearance from Logan on .com. What struck me first is what he was doing with his family instead of being holed up in a European capital.
And then something curious as I watched the news yesterday. A relative went like, "Alikuwa UPANDE wetu sio huo mwingine...."
Next is on this article (http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000146702/family-claims-dead-kin-found-in-mortuary-was-an-icc-witness/) he claims to have been threatened as early as September. isn't that a long time for Bensouda to neglect their witness?
So, exactly what was he? an intermediary, recanting witness, and on WHOSE side was he a witness?
The real mystery for me. What are these witnesses smoking? and I know vooke disagrees, but the moment you become a witness against a man facing those types of charges, you want to create some daylight(a decent chunk of timezones preferrably) between yourself and the domain in which he operates.
This fellow did not even bother to leave the vicinity of Uasin Gishu. He earns my first Darwin Award nomination for 2015 by a prohibitive margin.
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Negro was taken out no doubt.
I first read about his disappearance from Logan on .com. What struck me first is what he was doing with his family instead of being holed up in a European capital.
And then something curious as I watched the news yesterday. A relative went like, "Alikuwa UPANDE wetu sio huo mwingine...."
Next is on this article (http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000146702/family-claims-dead-kin-found-in-mortuary-was-an-icc-witness/) he claims to have been threatened as early as September. isn't that a long time for Bensouda to neglect their witness?
So, exactly what was he? an intermediary, recanting witness, and on WHOSE side was he a witness?
The real mystery for me. What are these witnesses smoking? and I know vooke disagrees, but the moment you become a witness against a man facing those types of charges, you want to create some daylight(a decent chunk of timezones preferrably) between yourself and the domain in which he operates.
This fellow did not even bother to leave the vicinity of Uasin Gishu. He earns my first Darwin Award nomination for 2015 by a prohibitive margin.
I have no idea what kind of witness he was. I have seen snippets of an SMS exchange suggesting he was an OTP witness. Under similar circumstances, insisting he was for the "good" guys seems like the prudent thing to do.
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WSR should play safe or risk everything.
Here is a far fetched analogy:
Ferdinand Marcos wife and driver organized to kill Senator Aquino. Marcos, a political wizard, had decided to let Senator Aquino return to further divide the opposition.
The wife thought differently. She believed Aquino was a danger to the husband's position. They had Aquino shot at point blank range while disembarking from the plane. All hell broke loose!
Where in life the Senator would have divided the opposition to Marcos' advantage, in death he unified it and now posed a real threat to Marcos.
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Those messages were sent AFTER he went missing and they were clearly meant to stall the investigation into his disappearance.
A sane man with a sick kid will not just walk away like that. So I doubt he went to UG to meet his handlers.
What am pointing out is the whole thing is quite inconclusive and is not the smoking gun for disappearing witnesses
I have no idea what kind of witness he was. I have seen snippets of an SMS exchange suggesting he was an OTP witness. Under similar circumstances, insisting he was for the "good" guys seems like the prudent thing to do.
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Those messages were sent AFTER he went missing and they were clearly meant to stall the investigation into his disappearance.
A sane man with a sick kid will not just walk away like that. So I doubt he went to UG to meet his handlers.
What am pointing out is the whole thing is quite inconclusive and is not the smoking gun for disappearing witnesses
I have no idea what kind of witness he was. I have seen snippets of an SMS exchange suggesting he was an OTP witness. Under similar circumstances, insisting he was for the "good" guys seems like the prudent thing to do.
vooke,
I have just seen an Itumbi tweet doing rounds sent in 2011 about him. I'll now need to see a compelling reason why he would be anything but a prosecution witness.
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I have just seen an Itumbi tweet doing rounds sent in 2011 about him. I'll now need to see a compelling reason why he would be anything but a prosecution witness.
What are you waiting for? Give me the link. Itumbi is fair game.
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(https://www.kenya-today.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/112.jpg)
Termie, Itumbi APPEARS to quote a letter to one Wainaina on this. My take is the negro was a probable prosecution witness but he pulled out and was convinced to testify for Ruto. What business did he have in Kenia?
vooke,
I have just seen an Itumbi tweet doing rounds sent in 2011 about him. I'll now need to see a compelling reason why he would be anything but a prosecution witness.
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I have just seen an Itumbi tweet doing rounds sent in 2011 about him. I'll now need to see a compelling reason why he would be anything but a prosecution witness.
What are you waiting for? Give me the link. Itumbi is fair game.
Omollo,
My device is incovenient for making links. I think vooke has linked it.
@vooke,
His "sly and troublesome" nature might have caught up with him.
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It would appear the man was tortured and then killed.
If as vooke suggests, the "sly and troublesome" witness had switched sides. Now batting for the hustler. Given that Walter Osipiri is fighting tooth and nail to not clear his name at the Hague. In Yebei's "sly and troublesome" wisdom, did he suddenly raise the stakes?
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Termie,
We was right on the money; negro had some serious counter offer. 'he RETURNED'. Returned from some Vague/USAID funded safe house
Press Release : 06/01/2015
ICC deeply concerned with reported death of Mr Meshack Yebei; stands ready to assist Kenyan investigations
ICC-CPI-20150106-PR1081
The International Criminal Court (ICC) expresses its deep regret at the reported abduction and violent death of Mr Meshack Yebei. Mr Yebei was allegedly abducted on 28 December 2014 and found dead on 2 January 2015.
Mr Yebei was not on the Prosecution witness list nor was he in contact with Prosecution staff at the time of his abduction.
"While local authorities are conducting further examination, the family of Mr Yebei has confirmed the identity of his body. We express our profound condolences to the family", stated Herman von Hebel, ICC Registrar. "The Court is profoundly concerned by this grave reported incident. It stands ready to provide the local authorities with any assistance, if required, in their investigations. Ensuring the safety and security of witnesses is a cornerstone of fair trials", he added.
While the ICC Registry had offered Mr Yebei security measures, including a safe residency in a new location, he returned to Eldoret where the incident reportedly took place. The ICC Registry is in contact with Kenyan authorities, seeking further information on the investigative steps taken at the national level.
The ICC remains strongly committed to the safety, security and well-being of all witnesses and relies on cooperation from States parties for the adequate protection of witnesses. Currently, more than 650 witnesses, victims and families' members are provided with protective measures by the Court.
http://www.icc-cpi.int/en_menus/icc/press%20and%20media/press%20releases/Pages/pr1082.aspx
Three or so probable causes;
1. Souda attempted to get him back again on her side. Ruto gets wind of this and effs him
2. GEMA mafia badly wanting Ruto in dispatched him to increase chances of a Ruto conviction
3. Souda and crew are terrified of what he will say once he is in the dock and they preempt this
4. Negro was involved with some bad people, Sicilian mafia grade who never hesitated to dispatch him after extracting some valuable information from him
5. Satanism--ritual killing
1. Killing the negro where it is widely known that he was your witness is extremely boneheaded. Such can only be triggered by a real threat of him running back to Souda or something
2. Very plausible except am least convinced that GEMA are morons; they barely got past the 50% mark WITH Ruto and there is NOBODY who can herd RV better than him. Don't even mention Gideon. That's so retarded. They may have attempted to nail him but this was LONG before Ouruto came together. I would not project the past on the present
3. When Souda wanted barasa, they tried to get him to UG first. They clearly know the limits of operating in the extremely hostile environment called Kenia. This is not Souda
4. Bad people don't butcher villagers
5. Nonsense
It would appear the man was tortured and then killed.
If as vooke suggests, the "sly and troublesome" witness had switched sides. Now batting for the hustler. Given that Walter Osipiri is fighting tooth and nail to not clear his name at the Hague. In Yebei's "sly and troublesome" wisdom, did he suddenly raise the stakes?
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I't upon Ruto as DP of Gov to find out who killed Yebei Meshack otherwise it's safe to assume the GoK had a role in this.
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Termie,
We was right on the money; negro had some serious counter offer. 'he RETURNED'. Returned from some Vague/USAID funded safe house
Press Release : 06/01/2015
ICC deeply concerned with reported death of Mr Meshack Yebei; stands ready to assist Kenyan investigations
ICC-CPI-20150106-PR1081
The International Criminal Court (ICC) expresses its deep regret at the reported abduction and violent death of Mr Meshack Yebei. Mr Yebei was allegedly abducted on 28 December 2014 and found dead on 2 January 2015.
Mr Yebei was not on the Prosecution witness list nor was he in contact with Prosecution staff at the time of his abduction.
"While local authorities are conducting further examination, the family of Mr Yebei has confirmed the identity of his body. We express our profound condolences to the family", stated Herman von Hebel, ICC Registrar. "The Court is profoundly concerned by this grave reported incident. It stands ready to provide the local authorities with any assistance, if required, in their investigations. Ensuring the safety and security of witnesses is a cornerstone of fair trials", he added.
While the ICC Registry had offered Mr Yebei security measures, including a safe residency in a new location, he returned to Eldoret where the incident reportedly took place. The ICC Registry is in contact with Kenyan authorities, seeking further information on the investigative steps taken at the national level.
The ICC remains strongly committed to the safety, security and well-being of all witnesses and relies on cooperation from States parties for the adequate protection of witnesses. Currently, more than 650 witnesses, victims and families' members are provided with protective measures by the Court.
http://www.icc-cpi.int/en_menus/icc/press%20and%20media/press%20releases/Pages/pr1082.aspx (http://www.icc-cpi.int/en_menus/icc/press%20and%20media/press%20releases/Pages/pr1082.aspx)
Three or so probable causes;
1. Souda attempted to get him back again on her side. Ruto gets wind of this and effs him
2. GEMA mafia badly wanting Ruto in dispatched him to increase chances of a Ruto conviction
3. Souda and crew are terrified of what he will say once he is in the dock and they preempt this
4. Negro was involved with some bad people, Sicilian mafia grade who never hesitated to dispatch him after extracting some valuable information from him
5. Satanism--ritual killing
1. Killing the negro where it is widely known that he was your witness is extremely boneheaded. Such can only be triggered by a real threat of him running back to Souda or something
2. Very plausible except am least convinced that GEMA are morons; they barely got past the 50% mark WITH Ruto and there is NOBODY who can herd RV better than him. Don't even mention Gideon. That's so retarded. They may have attempted to nail him but this was LONG before Ouruto came together. I would not project the past on the present
3. When Souda wanted barasa, they tried to get him to UG first. They clearly know the limits of operating in the extremely hostile environment called Kenia. This is not Souda
4. Bad people don't butcher villagers
5. Nonsense
It would appear the man was tortured and then killed.
If as vooke suggests, the "sly and troublesome" witness had switched sides. Now batting for the hustler. Given that Walter Osipiri is fighting tooth and nail to not clear his name at the Hague. In Yebei's "sly and troublesome" wisdom, did he suddenly raise the stakes?
Yebei might have become too smart for his own good. He must have momentarily thought he enjoys impunity. I think we are agreed, the killer(s) will never be known.
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It looks like Dennis Itumbi has pulled down the offending tweet exposing Yebei https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=%23leakedmails%20%23haguetruth.
This search engine somehow brings it up through the cache though http://topsy.com/s?q=%23HagueTruth%20%23leakedmails&maxtime=1420648378.
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Bensouda reiterates her office's willingness to assist GoK in its investigation of Yebei's murder. Yep. She has this curious notion. That GoK are interested in solving the case.
She says Yebei was a key cog in witness interference. She links him to Walter Barasa.
The Office of the Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) reiterates its condolences to the family of Mr. Meshak Yebei. Every loss of life is a unique and profound tragedy for the family that is left to mourn. The perpetrators of this heinous crime must swiftly and decisively be brought to justice. The Office of the Prosecutor reiterates its willingness to assist the competent authorities of the Republic of Kenya, as appropriate, to effectively investigate the circumstances of Mr. Yebei's death.
http://icc-cpi.int/en_menus/icc/press%20and%20media/press%20releases/Pages/otp-stat-09-01-2015.aspx
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see also
http://nipate.com/post424540.html#p424540
From: centre torture <ko_cat2004@yahoo.com>
To: ndungu.wainaina@gmail.com
> Cc: nwainaina@icpcafrica.org
Sent: 9.2.'11, 17:02
Greetings Wainaina,
How are things with you. we would like to inform you that the witness namely: MESHACK YEBEI has been a sly and troublesome witness to PEV case. we came to this conclusion as he never testified to Waki nor the Kenya National Human Rights Commission. he only appeared on a 10 minutes video documentary which was conducted initially by the American Human Rights watch AHRW in the year 2008 with 6 others. AHRW report was then publicized in the media and my then ED Koros received threats and he was assisted by the coalition on human rights defenders protection desk.
Immediately after Koros had received the protection Meshack and 6 others ganged up and started alledging that Koros has used their evidence for Monetary gains. They never knew that he was under protection hence accusing him of being the traitor. we persevered and come 1 year later, we secured funds from USAID and SWISS EMBASSY in order to protect more witnesses who had reported their fears ,threats and intimidation in our office like them.
Because the list was so long, and the USAID wanted 4 people and the SWISS EMBASSY 5 people, we chose not to accommodate them because of their conduct and suspicion. Meshack and the rest continued to express their fears but Koros would not support these claims.
In Mid last year Koros was absorbed by the ICC and since I was left alone in the office I chose to assist them on Humanitarian grounds. little did I know that they will again turn against me. Now I took initiative of fowarding their names to USAID in September and the process reached at an advanced stage. Later everything was scuttled by 2 men, BARAZA and RONO who surbotaged everything. Now due to this, the USAID cancelled the program and fowarded the same names to the coalition of Human rights defender, Meshack was interviewed by Ignatius Ambasa in November last year (2010); He was advised to be patient as his issues are being processed.
Now Meshack was not convinced by turn of events and what I told him about the USAID winding the program. He immediately ganged up with Rono and Sammy Koech and a series of meetings were held with inclusion of Rutos Advocate, Advocate Katwa. and the personal assistant to Ruto Mr. Keitany. The strategy was on how to convince other witnesses left by the ICC to Join their camp and how best they can tackle the ICC witnesses.
A final meeting was later held at AMACO offices in Nairobi where Meshack, Rono, Sammy and Seven Others were invited to discuss the issue with Honourable Ruto. This was on 17th-19th January 2011. Meshack led prayers in the office (he is regarded as pastor at home) and also issued opening remarks.The 7 others were drawn from various counties in rift Valley. They were told to recant their statements which were taken by Advocate Katwa and each signed his statement. They were rewarded with some amount and Hon Ruto advised them to look for others and that he will arrange for a major meeting at his home in Surgoi to cement their relationships and tell people to accept these people back to the community.
We are yet to see.
These details were unveiled to my office by HELLEN CHEBET who was one of the people whose views were also documented by the AHRW and somebody by the name Caleb, whom Meshack had contacted advising them to follow his suit. Upon
Meshack realizing that I have gotten the details they started waging war to me and the office, to the extent of threatening to close it down in a few months time. he was alleging that we are not here to assist, but to corn people and use their statements to source money, reason being that he was not given protection. So far the office has assisted Hellen to secure protection from the coalition of human rights defenders. Caleb on is part has since pulled out and he does not want to be associated with PEV issues any longer. He is living a quiet life.
Owing to the above, I do request that his fate be sealed completely once and for all. He is a dangerous character.
Regards,
Abubakar
Centre Against Torture
ELDORET
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see also
http://nipate.com/post424540.html#p424540
Regards,
Abubakar
Abubakar aka K Wafula
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see also
http://nipate.com/post424540.html#p424540
From: centre torture <ko_cat2004@yahoo.com>
To: ndungu.wainaina@gmail.com
> Cc: nwainaina@icpcafrica.org
Sent: 9.2.'11, 17:02
Greetings Wainaina,
How are things with you. we would like to inform you that the witness namely: MESHACK YEBEI has been a sly and troublesome witness to PEV case. we came to this conclusion as he never testified to Waki nor the Kenya National Human Rights Commission. he only appeared on a 10 minutes video documentary which was conducted initially by the American Human Rights watch AHRW in the year 2008 with 6 others. AHRW report was then publicized in the media and my then ED Koros received threats and he was assisted by the coalition on human rights defenders protection desk.
Immediately after Koros had received the protection Meshack and 6 others ganged up and started alledging that Koros has used their evidence for Monetary gains. They never knew that he was under protection hence accusing him of being the traitor. we persevered and come 1 year later, we secured funds from USAID and SWISS EMBASSY in order to protect more witnesses who had reported their fears ,threats and intimidation in our office like them.
Because the list was so long, and the USAID wanted 4 people and the SWISS EMBASSY 5 people, we chose not to accommodate them because of their conduct and suspicion. Meshack and the rest continued to express their fears but Koros would not support these claims.
In Mid last year Koros was absorbed by the ICC and since I was left alone in the office I chose to assist them on Humanitarian grounds. little did I know that they will again turn against me. Now I took initiative of fowarding their names to USAID in September and the process reached at an advanced stage. Later everything was scuttled by 2 men, BARAZA and RONO who surbotaged everything. Now due to this, the USAID cancelled the program and fowarded the same names to the coalition of Human rights defender, Meshack was interviewed by Ignatius Ambasa in November last year (2010); He was advised to be patient as his issues are being processed.
Now Meshack was not convinced by turn of events and what I told him about the USAID winding the program. He immediately ganged up with Rono and Sammy Koech and a series of meetings were held with inclusion of Rutos Advocate, Advocate Katwa. and the personal assistant to Ruto Mr. Keitany. The strategy was on how to convince other witnesses left by the ICC to Join their camp and how best they can tackle the ICC witnesses.
A final meeting was later held at AMACO offices in Nairobi where Meshack, Rono, Sammy and Seven Others were invited to discuss the issue with Honourable Ruto. This was on 17th-19th January 2011. Meshack led prayers in the office (he is regarded as pastor at home) and also issued opening remarks.The 7 others were drawn from various counties in rift Valley. They were told to recant their statements which were taken by Advocate Katwa and each signed his statement. They were rewarded with some amount and Hon Ruto advised them to look for others and that he will arrange for a major meeting at his home in Surgoi to cement their relationships and tell people to accept these people back to the community.
We are yet to see.
These details were unveiled to my office by HELLEN CHEBET who was one of the people whose views were also documented by the AHRW and somebody by the name Caleb, whom Meshack had contacted advising them to follow his suit. Upon
Meshack realizing that I have gotten the details they started waging war to me and the office, to the extent of threatening to close it down in a few months time. he was alleging that we are not here to assist, but to corn people and use their statements to source money, reason being that he was not given protection. So far the office has assisted Hellen to secure protection from the coalition of human rights defenders. Caleb on is part has since pulled out and he does not want to be associated with PEV issues any longer. He is living a quiet life.
Owing to the above, I do request that his fate be sealed completely once and for all. He is a dangerous character.
Regards,
Abubakar
Centre Against Torture
ELDORET
TrueRV,
I am unable to visit the link. What is this supposed to be?
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Abubakar Jumo is not Wafula. Ken Wafula rans his own NGO. Center of Torture was ran and owned by David Koros and when he ran away Abubakar took over as Director.
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Karim Khan alleges that Yebei was threatened by a prosecution witness. He doesn't proffer any evidence to the allegation.
He says Fatou Bensouda's office was aware of the threats. Could this explain the contacts he had with "Bensouda's people"? Were they trying to move the witness out of Kenya and out of harms way? Was this a ruse by his killers to point fingers at Bensouda?
Khan, who managed to free Muthaura after all key witnesses vanished from that case, also says he has urged the CID to investigate the murder. Because the deceased was their witness.
If the CID cannot solve this case who stands to benefit? Is Khan aware that the CID has never solved any controversial murder in the 50+ years of its existence,
In a letter leaked to the media, Mr Khan had written to the Criminal Investigations Department (CID) boss Ndegwa Muhoro, urging him to investigate the murder since the victim was their witness.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Meshack-Yebei-threatened-ICC-witness--William-Ruto-Karim-Khan/-/1056/2588106/-/kxrqwv/-/index.html
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Karim Khan should not worry if some prosecution witness did this given his clients enormous influence over CID. Like i said previously is upon Ruto's gov to absolve him from suspicion by bringing the killers to book. If not many are inclined to imagine this witness was killed by the defence.
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Karim Khan should not worry if some prosecution witness did this given his clients enormous influence over CID. Like i said previously is upon Ruto's gov to absolve him from suspicion by bringing the killers to book. If not many are inclined to imagine this witness was killed by the defence.
Khan is just generating some confusion for the sort of local consumption that Kenyans enjoy, although I think it is in very poor taste. One reason his tactics work is that many Kenyans do not understand the structure of the court. Take, for example, this statement in the Daily Nation article:
"This prompted the ICC Registrar Herman von Hebel to clarify that while they had offered Mr Yebei protection under the VWU, he was not their witness."
This reflects ignorance of the fact that both the Registry and the VWU are independent units and that the VWU protects both Prosecution and Defence witnesses alike. And that's a reporter from the country's leading paper informing the people.
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Maybe this is why "the Defence" had to finish the witness and what Khan is trying to hide?
“…the Prosecution contacted and interviewed Yebei without the knowledge of the Defence on the allegations that he was involved in witness interference activities ... Yebei, also without the knowledge of the Defence, fully cooperated with the Prosecution, voluntarily traveled to a third country and made himself available for questioning there by Prosecution investigators,”
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000147819/ruto-clashes-with-bensouda-over-witness-who-was-killed?articleID=2000147819&story_title=dp-william-ruto-clashes-with-bensouda-over-killed-witness-meshack-yebei&pageNo=2
Who knows what he told the OTP in these meetings ... Anyway, between the Defence and the OTP, who is more likely to be involved in finishing witnesses?
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It is far-fetched to accuse OTP of having done this...this i think is a local thing. It upon Ruto to press CID and security agencies to uncover the killers otherwise it safe to assume defence had a hand in this.
The worse OTP could have done is to threaten Yebei with prosecution at ICC...
Maybe this is why "the Defence" had to finish the witness and what Khan is trying to hide?
“…the Prosecution contacted and interviewed Yebei without the knowledge of the Defence on the allegations that he was involved in witness interference activities ... Yebei, also without the knowledge of the Defence, fully cooperated with the Prosecution, voluntarily traveled to a third country and made himself available for questioning there by Prosecution investigators,”
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000147819/ruto-clashes-with-bensouda-over-witness-who-was-killed?articleID=2000147819&story_title=dp-william-ruto-clashes-with-bensouda-over-killed-witness-meshack-yebei&pageNo=2
Who knows what he told the OTP in these meetings ... Anyway, between the Defence and the OTP, who is more likely to be involved in finishing witnesses?
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This is getting weirder by the day
The body belongs to Yusuf Hussein not yebei yet 14 members of the family positively identified the body
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2015/01/yebei-mystery-deepens-as-mutilated-body-not-his/
I desperately want to believe in a grand conspiracy of stealing Yebei's body in broad day light from the family but am not Auntie Hubris
So, either GoK/WSR paid Yebei's family to claim a wrong body or they are right and he is stealing the body from them, the ONLY thing that points to the fate of Yebei. If the body really belongs to Yebei, further DNA tests are still possible even after Hussein's family buries him.
Nothing makes sense here
The family should carryout an independent DNA test
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This is getting weirder by the day
The body belongs to Yusuf Hussein not yebei yet 14 members of the family positively identified the body
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2015/01/yebei-mystery-deepens-as-mutilated-body-not-his/
I desperately want to believe in a grand conspiracy of stealing Yebei's body in broad day light from the family but am not Auntie Hubris
So, either GoK/WSR paid Yebei's family to claim a wrong body or they are right and he is stealing the body from them, the ONLY thing that points to the fate of Yebei. If the body really belongs to Yebei, further DNA tests are still possible even after Hussein's family buries him.
Nothing makes sense here
The family should carryout an independent DNA test
Obfuscation galore. One wants to know who benefits from it?
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How did the Meshack family identify the body as his? Was it only the basis of physical features? Perhaps the clothes?
I am struggling to eliminate the possibility that these two fellows bore a striking resemblace. That both of them may be dead. That Yusuf Husein did not have Meshack's clothes when his body was found.
Is CID capable of sharing more than information that only clouds things?
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This should answer most if not all of your questions
How did the Meshack family identify the body as his? Was it only the basis of physical features? Perhaps the clothes?
I am struggling to eliminate the possibility that these two fellows bore a striking resemblace. That both of them may be dead. That Yusuf Husein did not have Meshack's clothes when his body was found.
Is CID capable of sharing more than information that only clouds things?
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This should answer most if not all of your questions
How did the Meshack family identify the body as his? Was it only the basis of physical features? Perhaps the clothes?
I am struggling to eliminate the possibility that these two fellows bore a striking resemblace. That both of them may be dead. That Yusuf Husein did not have Meshack's clothes when his body was found.
Is CID capable of sharing more than information that only clouds things?
Interesting. They probably share body structure. They both seem very slight.
So what if it is Yusuf's body? Does it matter what happened to him? Who killed him? The motive? Was he also abducted? Is it enough that he is not Yebei? Why are the police sharing this information? Are they ready to catch who killed Yusuf?
What do Kenya police normally do when they find unclaimed corpses? Do they just take them to the morgue? To bury them later? What happens when 14 members of a family "identify" the body? Do they then test for fingerprints? Why didn't they test for fingerprints before asking the family to identify the body?
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Termie,
In an ideal alternative universe, they would do all you see in the US but we are talking about Negroes here in a backwater economy. I keep reading and hearing of exhumation when 'wrong' bodies are buried especially of the 'missing persons
The GoK interest in the matter is I suppose from three reasons;
1. Immense publicity of Yebei's disappearance;
2. PR- GoK needs to be seen to be on the same page with Vague
3. Yebei was well known to DPORK's defence
I can't start to imagine the agony of his family; first disappearance, next a badly mutilated body and as they was coming to terms,they are now thrown back to nothing; watching and waiting,hoping for the best. It is easier to move on over a deceased relation than a lost one; that glimmer of hope is actually hell on earth.
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Kenya is a big jungle.
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Ken Wafula is now demanding independent tests on the body. If I want to argue with him, can I fight the history of Kenya police, CID and suspicious deaths?
Because, left to the CID these things are certain.
1. The murder of this character, whoever it is, will not be resolved.
2. Yebei was abducted on an errand for his sick child. His disappearance will not be resolved.
3. The investigation will drag on until it fades into background noise. File closed. Preferably burnt.
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More Ken Wafula observations. Special features related to Nandi circumcision. A special type of Nandi finger print.
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Why can't they carry out an independent DNA test?
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Why can't they carry out an independent DNA test?
It's entirely possible that they can't. The body in question might indeed be Yusuf's. They were not present during the fingerprinting.
That raises the distinct possibility that the body, that 14 family members were able to identify, is not the same one that Kenya police fingerprinted.
If the relevant authorities are interested in clarity, this question can resolved in 10 minutes.
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You lost me.
What are you saying?
It's entirely possible that they can't. The body in question might indeed be Yusuf's. They were not present during the fingerprinting.
That raises the distinct possibility that the body, that 14 family members were able to identify, is not the same one that Kenya police fingerprinted.
If the relevant authorities are interested in clarity, this question can resolved in 10 minutes.
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You lost me.
What are you saying?
It's entirely possible that they can't. The body in question might indeed be Yusuf's. They were not present during the fingerprinting.
That raises the distinct possibility that the body, that 14 family members were able to identify, is not the same one that Kenya police fingerprinted.
If the relevant authorities are interested in clarity, this question can resolved in 10 minutes.
That the cops are saying the truth as far as the fingerprints they took goes.
What is not being said? That they are not talking about the same body that the Yebei relatives identified. We might be looking at a case of a disappearing body.
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Termie,
So we have two bodies, Yusuf's and Yebei's and GoK is throwing off Yebei's family off the trail?
Makes least sense off Hollywood thrillers because BOTH families IDd the same body at the same time at some point
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Termie,
So we have two bodies, Yusuf's and Yebei's and GoK is throwing off Yebei's family off the trail?
Makes least sense off Hollywood thrillers because BOTH families IDd the same body at the same time at some point
If that is the case then there is a real paradox. Is that in fact the case?
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That's the case if Kenian media are believable. Will post the link if I recall it.
Lee Child once quipped in Gone Tomorrow that the suddenly bereaved have the IQ of Labradors. I thought it was funny but not any more
If that is the case then there is a real paradox. Is that in fact the case?
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That's the case if Kenian media are believable. Will post the link if I recall it.
Lee Child once quipped in Gone Tomorrow that the suddenly bereaved have the IQ of Labradors. I thought it was funny but not any more
If that is the case then there is a real paradox. Is that in fact the case?
The way they(both families) are talking. Each one has identified attributes on the body that belong to their missing relatives.
One mentions a facial structure. A missing toe nail. The others, from what I gather, rely on the dental structure. The circumcised penis. Special birth marks.
One guy is a Somali. The other guy is Kalenjin nywele ngumu.
Giving the mental state of all the benefit of the doubt, the chances that they are talking the same body appear to be improbable.
This seems like something they can sort out in a minute with their "competing" eyeballs in the same room. Rather than take DNA tests and drag the confusion for a few more weeks.
Karim Khan
International man of mystery. He has given the CID detailed instructions on what to test for, who to compare it to, in order to determine whether it is Yebei's body. Suggesting detailed steps forward, if it is in fact Yebei's body.
He curiously has NOTHING to say about what should be done should it be found that the body is not Yebei's. Yebei's status as a "missing critical witness" should still remain a nagging problem one would be inclined to think.
One thing we can all hang our hats on. Don't count on Kenya police to introduce any clarity in this case.
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BORROWED FROM JUKWAA: http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/9258/meshack-yebei-final-clean-operations
It's grim stuff, but there have been one or two jokes that ought to lighten up things. For example, Karim Khan actually asked the Kenyan Police to investigate something! Do they have the first idea of how to go about that? In fact, the QC has asked for a "thorough, timely and vigorous" investigation! What a funny man.
Never mind ... Mr. Khan, so far is not impressed. And perhaps there have been some tiny omissions or sloppiness in what exactly the Kenyan media has been reporting.
Mr. Khan, Q.C. states that.
"I wrote a confidential letter to the Director of CID in Kenya requesting that certain investigations be conducted, relevant to the incident. I was dismayed and gravely concerned that this confidential communication found its way into the press. I have requested an urgent inquiry into the circumstances of thisleak."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/252502987/Statement-by-Karim-A-A-Khan-QC-Lead-Counsel-for-H-E-William-Ruto-regarding-the-reported-abduction-and-murder-of-Mr-Meshak-Yebei#scribd
Welcome to Kenya, friend. Next time bring some chicken, if you want things done "right".
Mr. Kahn then gets very worked about the OTP's statement to the effect that Yebei was involved in corrupting witnesses and writes as though Yebei (and, by implication, Ruto) were already in the dock for that one:
"For example, on a date a key prosecution witness claimed Mr. Yebei was in Nairobi in a meeting relating to alleged witness interference, Mr. Yebei told the Prosecution he was in Eldoret. The Defence obtained full hospital records demonstrating that Mr. Yebei had, in fact, been hospitalised in Eldoret on the day in question, and had been there the day before, as well as the day after the alleged meeting in Nairobi. This information and evidence was disclosed to the Prosecution by the Defence well before Mr. Yebei's disappearance."
According to reports by The Daily Nonsense and The Stunted, one would get the impression that Mr. Yebei had definitely been threatened by a prosecution witness and that Mr. Khan had informed the OTP of that, months ago. Not quite so. Mr. Khan only claims that he "recently" learned that the OTP had been "on notice" for months on that matter. From who did he learn? He doesn't say. When is "recently"? We are not told. Who put the OTP "on notice"? He doesn't say, but it is apparent that it was not Mr.Khan, Q.C.:
"The Defence has recently learned that the Prosecution was fully on notice, months before the alleged abduction and murder of Mr. Yebei, that he had been threatened with abduction by one of the Prosecution’s own witnesses."
This is a man who is very worried about something. What? Who knows.
Anyways, after raving and ranting away on all open fronts, Mr. Kahn, Q.C., has some excellent advice for everyone:
" Everyone should refrain from unnecessary public speculation and inflammatory comments at this time".
And there you have it.
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I wish I could manufacture mystery out of hot air but am not gifted.
Whatever the families are using tells you that the body was badly decomposed and ID-ing it was not easy. Plus, NONE of their criteria are contradictory
That's the case if Kenian media are believable. Will post the link if I recall it.
Lee Child once quipped in Gone Tomorrow that the suddenly bereaved have the IQ of Labradors. I thought it was funny but not any more
If that is the case then there is a real paradox. Is that in fact the case?
The way they(both families) are talking. Each one has identified attributes on the body that belong to their missing relatives.
One mentions a facial structure. A missing toe nail. The others, from what I gather, rely on the dental structure. The circumcised penis. Special birth marks.
One guy is a Somali. The other guy is Kalenjin nywele ngumu.
Giving the mental state of all the benefit of the doubt, the chances that they are talking the same body appear to be improbable.
This seems like something they can sort out in a minute with their "competing" eyeballs in the same room. Rather than take DNA tests and drag the confusion for a few more weeks.
Karim Khan
International man of mystery. He has given the CID detailed instructions on what to test for, who to compare it to, in order to determine whether it is Yebei's body. Suggesting detailed steps forward, if it is in fact Yebei's body.
He curiously has NOTHING to say about what should be done should it be found that the body is not Yebei's. Yebei's status as a "missing critical witness" should still remain a nagging problem one would be inclined to think.
One thing we can all hang our hats on. Don't count on Kenya police to introduce any clarity in this case.
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I wish I could manufacture mystery out of hot air but am not gifted.
Whatever the families are using tells you that the body was badly decomposed and ID-ing it was not easy. Plus, NONE of their criteria are contradictory
That's the case if Kenian media are believable. Will post the link if I recall it.
Lee Child once quipped in Gone Tomorrow that the suddenly bereaved have the IQ of Labradors. I thought it was funny but not any more
If that is the case then there is a real paradox. Is that in fact the case?
The way they(both families) are talking. Each one has identified attributes on the body that belong to their missing relatives.
One mentions a facial structure. A missing toe nail. The others, from what I gather, rely on the dental structure. The circumcised penis. Special birth marks.
One guy is a Somali. The other guy is Kalenjin nywele ngumu.
Giving the mental state of all the benefit of the doubt, the chances that they are talking the same body appear to be improbable.
This seems like something they can sort out in a minute with their "competing" eyeballs in the same room. Rather than take DNA tests and drag the confusion for a few more weeks.
Karim Khan
International man of mystery. He has given the CID detailed instructions on what to test for, who to compare it to, in order to determine whether it is Yebei's body. Suggesting detailed steps forward, if it is in fact Yebei's body.
He curiously has NOTHING to say about what should be done should it be found that the body is not Yebei's. Yebei's status as a "missing critical witness" should still remain a nagging problem one would be inclined to think.
One thing we can all hang our hats on. Don't count on Kenya police to introduce any clarity in this case.
There is plenty of mystery in this case. Where Kenya police is concerned; doubly so. Especially. If one asks questions.
It's not so much a question of contradiction as it is of probabilities. Giving everyone the benefit of the doubt.
@MOON Ki,
Karim Khan is naive. Or he has an agenda that Kenya police can help accomplish.
He certainly talks as if he is defending someone already under trial for crimes against administration of justice.
He is very keen that this body is not Yebei's. Otherwise. Rather silent on his fate and disappearance.
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The only mystery I can read is disappearance of a grown up. The rest is confusion
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DNA tests. I am informed the release of results had been postponed to Tuesday(yesterday). Any news?
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DNA tests. I am informed the release of results had been postponed to Tuesday(yesterday). Any news?
Finding the "right" DNA or the "right" results can't be easy. Give them time.
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Early this month they were ready to bury their son. A few days later, Kenya Police had pulled up a new identity for the corpse from their biometric system(good to know Kenya police have access to a functioning one). Overturning the opinions of 14 family members. Thanks to Karim Khan.
And. Not a whisper on what next for their abducted son from Karim Khan. Yebei is a, now abducted and missing, witness for Khan's team at the Hague.
The mother of an ICC witness presumed dead wants he government to produce him dead or alive after DNA results showed the body lying at an Eldoret mortuary belongs to another man.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Produce-my-son-now-Yebei-s-mother-tells-State/-/1056/2598812/-/13tiauo/-/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Produce-my-son-now-Yebei-s-mother-tells-State/-/1056/2598812/-/13tiauo/-/index.html)
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Termie,
The suddenly bereaved and Labradors, what do they have in common?
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Termie,
The suddenly bereaved and Labradors, what do they have in common?
The IQ. According to some author.
If or why it matters in this context. Is not obvious to someone like me.
Perhaps, one might be tempted to think that the Yebeis are suddenly bereaved. Are they? Or their IQ is the same as a labrador's. Is it?
What is clear? The Kenya police will not clarify the Yebei mystery. They won't solve it.
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If Police won't solve it, it certainly won't be the first nor the last. So their inability or unwillingness means nothing.
Am mighty glad the family was allowed an INDEPENDENT DNA test (I think they read my posts here). The wife/widow says they are awaiting the results from RSA. That's how magnanimous the government is; there is nothing to hide here but negroes are free to manufacture mystery...that's just about the ONLY thing they beat bazungu in
If or why it matters in this context. Is not obvious to someone like me.
Perhaps, one might be tempted to think that the Yebeis are suddenly bereaved. Are they? Or their IQ is the same as a labrador's. Is it?
What is clear? The Kenya police will not clarify the Yebei mystery. They won't solve it.
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If Police won't solve it, it certainly won't be the first nor the last. So their inability or unwillingness means nothing.
Am mighty glad the family was allowed an INDEPENDENT DNA test (I think they read my posts here). The wife/widow says they are awaiting the results from RSA. That's how magnanimous the government is; there is nothing to hide here but negroes are free to manufacture mystery...that's just about the ONLY thing they beat bazungu in
If or why it matters in this context. Is not obvious to someone like me.
Perhaps, one might be tempted to think that the Yebeis are suddenly bereaved. Are they? Or their IQ is the same as a labrador's. Is it?
What is clear? The Kenya police will not clarify the Yebei mystery. They won't solve it.
The DNA might in fact be someone else's; a suggestion I don't mind repeating.
That the notorious unreliability of Kenya police, can in fact be reliable and mean a lot can indeed be lost to some. Whether this is a fact that is lost on the Yebeis remains to be seen.
If the labrador comparsion applies to the Yebeis. It is lost on me. A question was asked. Are they suddenly bereaved?
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Appetite for mystery is insatiable. This is usually lost to the Negro. What you have done is preempt RSA DNA test because you damn well know it is not Meshack's. Heard some sections of Kenia really cussed when Ngilu read out Indian names; they are allergic to anticlimaxes
The Yebeis was suddenly bereaved...what are you trying,extracting a confession from vooke? You are funny
That the notorious unreliability of Kenya police, can in fact be reliable and mean a lot can indeed be lost to some. Whether this is a fact that is lost on the Yebeis remains to be seen.
If the labrador comparsion applies to the Yebeis. It is lost on me. A question was asked. Are they suddenly bereaved?
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Appetite for mystery is insatiable. This is usually lost to the Negro. What you have done is preempt RSA DNA test because you damn well know it is not Meshack's. Heard some sections of Kenia really cussed when Ngilu read out Indian names; they are allergic to anticlimaxes
The Yebeis was suddenly bereaved...what are you trying,extracting a confession from vooke? You are funny
That the notorious unreliability of Kenya police, can in fact be reliable and mean a lot can indeed be lost to some. Whether this is a fact that is lost on the Yebeis remains to be seen.
If the labrador comparsion applies to the Yebeis. It is lost on me. A question was asked. Are they suddenly bereaved?
If who the DNA belongs to is the main issue, I am yet to get the memo.
Yebei has vanished. By most accounts the man is no longer in communication with loved ones.
If this is merely a creation of a mind insatiable for mystery. The Yebeis owe everyone an apology.
If they are not trusting of Kenya police. Surprising efficiency in some respects. Reliable unreliability in others. Who am I to castigate them?
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Heard some sections of Kenia really cussed when Ngilu read out Indian names; they are allergic to anticlimaxes
You really believe that the three Singhs are the ones that had the police out in forces there? The people who until couldn't be named? The people who had one threatening others? Etc. Etc. Etc. Here is a question that people ought to ask: by what means have they suddenly been "found" that apparently did not exist before? why was this circus necessary prior to their being named?
If they are the grabbers, then so far we have had Kidero, Swazuri, and Ngilu publicly insist that they have engaged in forgeries and related criminal activities. Will anyone arrest them and haul them into court? I doubt it, because they actually know Names. That is the real test.
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Heard some sections of Kenia really cussed when Ngilu read out Indian names; they are allergic to anticlimaxes
You really believe that the three Singhs are the ones that had the police out in forces there? The people who until couldn't be named? The people who had one threatening others? Etc. Etc. Etc. Here is a question that people ought to ask: by what means have they suddenly been "found" that apparently did not exist before? why was this circus necessary prior to their being named?
If they are the grabbers, then so far we have had Kidero, Swazuri, and Ngilu publicly insist that they have engaged in forgeries and related criminal activities. Will anyone arrest them and haul them into court? I doubt it, because they actually know Names. That is the real test.
It would be interesting to see which Kenya police shows up. The super fast biometric analaysis one? Or the reliably lethargic one?
In normal societies, it does not sound crazy to suggest that Ngilu, Kidero, Swazuri among others should record statements. Perhaps volunteer to be witnesses in a trial. In a mafia state, it's just another day.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7-U70VCMAAi4Qu.jpg)
See more at twitter: #NgiluSinghJokes
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I want you to lose sleep or miss a game over Yusuf...goes missing, body is recovered mutilated....a simple matatu tout
Then we can play Sherlock Holmes on Yebei
Appetite for mystery is insatiable. This is usually lost to the Negro. What you have done is preempt RSA DNA test because you damn well know it is not Meshack's. Heard some sections of Kenia really cussed when Ngilu read out Indian names; they are allergic to anticlimaxes
The Yebeis was suddenly bereaved...what are you trying,extracting a confession from vooke? You are funny
That the notorious unreliability of Kenya police, can in fact be reliable and mean a lot can indeed be lost to some. Whether this is a fact that is lost on the Yebeis remains to be seen.
If the labrador comparsion applies to the Yebeis. It is lost on me. A question was asked. Are they suddenly bereaved?
If who the DNA belongs to is the main issue, I am yet to get the memo.
Yebei has vanished. By most accounts the man is no longer in communication with loved ones.
If this is merely a creation of a mind insatiable for mystery. The Yebeis owe everyone an apology.
If they are not trusting of Kenya police. Surprising efficiency in some respects. Reliable unreliability in others. Who am I to castigate them?
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I am unable to get to a convenient appliance.
I am made to believe the Yebeis have sought a court injunction against the release of Yebei's putative body to the Husseins. His mother is inconsolable.
The hospital has already handed the corpse to Yusuf's relatives. Being Muslims, they have promptly burried the corpse. And moved on.
While the Yusufs apparent utter lack of interest in who could have brutally murdered their loved one has not been lost on some. It could be chalked to traditional Muslim stoicism.
One would, however, be forgiven, if he thinks the CID would at least show some interest in going after Yusuf's killers.
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Souda has been whining for ages about witness interference including killing.
I would have expected Yebei to be her smoking gun; a former witness contacts her office and then goes missing before they could arrange for his rendition
Had she 'owned' Yebei, Ruto's name would have been tarnished forever. All she needed was to claim that Yebei was warming up to OTP, provide evidence, call logs and recorded testimony
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I't upon Ruto as DP of Gov to find out who killed Yebei Meshack otherwise it's safe to assume the GoK had a role in this.
The problem with accusing people without evidence
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The Yusuf kin state that whoever butchered him. It's all in God's hands. They will eat their lumps and move on. There is palpable relief that Yusuf, who has been missing, and never reported as such, was only brutally murdered and mutilated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZuEuTOEWs&t=2m52s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZuEuTOEWs&t=2m52s)
Sisi hatuna ubaya na mtu yeyote. Yeye aliuwawa. Hatuna kesi na mtu yeyote. Mwenye amemuuwa, mungu ndiye anajua vile atamlipisha
CID while not entirely opposed to this idea. They do not broach the subject. At all. If they believe killers of Yusuf deserve anything more than a total blackout, they are not mentioning it.
Yebei's wife seems to think that the Somali hair texture is so different from Yebei's that they could not have missed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZuEuTOEWs&t=2m10s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZuEuTOEWs&t=2m10s). Did these people look at the same body?
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Kidnap and torture a negro before killing him
Family is alerted by the cops over a body
Family IDs the body as theirs
Swing into action to 'cover up'
Or engage a back up plan namely swapping bodies
You had disappeared and killed a tout around the same time
Auntie Hubris is a retard, he should watch pros
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I have had some time today to go through some Yebei stories.
Alan Namu interviews his elder brother Ben Yebei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Ms0byhQV8&t=4m05s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Ms0byhQV8&t=4m05s)
If Ben has the IQ of a labrador, he does a more than respectable job of hiding it. If it is coming through in the interview, that is not readily apparent.
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Me too,
I had not noticed it but as far back as 9th the cops expressed doubts over the Yebei's family claims
Police sources, who sought anonymity, had told The Standard that preliminary results of fingerprints taken on the body recovered from River Yala had pointed to a possibility that it was not that of Yebei.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000147223&story_title=special-sleuths-sent-to-probe-meshack-yebei-s-murder&pageNo=1
This is well before Yusuf surfaced
So GoK decided to FOOL the family and when the family was not convinced, they presented Yusuf's body complete with the family
I have had some time today to go through some Yebei stories.
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Me too,
I had not noticed it but as far back as 9th the cops expressed doubts over the Yebei's family claims
Police sources, who sought anonymity, had told The Standard that preliminary results of fingerprints taken on the body recovered from River Yala had pointed to a possibility that it was not that of Yebei.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000147223&story_title=special-sleuths-sent-to-probe-meshack-yebei-s-murder&pageNo=1 (http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000147223&story_title=special-sleuths-sent-to-probe-meshack-yebei-s-murder&pageNo=1)
This is well before Yusuf surfaced
So GoK decided to FOOL the family and when the family was not convinced, they presented Yusuf's body complete with the family
I have had some time today to go through some Yebei stories.
Yusuf indeed surfaces after the fingerprints are taken. A sequence one would be forgiven for thinking unremarkable.
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Not quite.
if the fingerprints don't belong to Yebei, they belong to somebody else. Negro is not completely dumb.
So the next step is to put a name to the fingerprints. One can say failure of the fingerprints to match Yebei's is why Yusuf was buried today. Why so? I doubt GoK is in the business of running fingerprints of all John/Jane Doe bodies
Yusuf indeed surfaces after the fingerprints are taken. A sequence one would be forgiven for thinking unremarkable.
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Not quite.
if the fingerprints don't belong to Yebei, they belong to somebody else. Negro is not completely dumb.
So the next step is to put a name to the fingerprints. One can say failure of the fingerprints to match Yebei's is why Yusuf was buried today. Why so? I doubt GoK is in the business of running fingerprints of all John/Jane Doe bodies
Yusuf indeed surfaces after the fingerprints are taken. A sequence one would be forgiven for thinking unremarkable.
What you are saying is obvious. If it anyone has been in doubt, we should find him and have his head examined.
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The one head we should examine is one disturbed by appearance of Yusuf the deceased and family AFTER the fingerprints are taken. How would they have guessed that the body was his when they had no idea he was dead in the first place?
What you are saying is obvious. If it anyone has been in doubt, we should find him and have his head examined.
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The one head we should examine is one disturbed by appearance of Yusuf the deceased and family AFTER the fingerprints are taken. How would they have guessed that the body was his when they had no idea he was dead in the first place?
What you are saying is obvious. If it anyone has been in doubt, we should find him and have his head examined.
Yusuf's appearance following fingerprints would be remarkable if Kenya police have no functioning biometric database. Or if they have one like IEBC's.
This would mean that relying entirely on their eyeballs, they were able to manually track the fingerprints of a rotting corpse to Yusuf. A man who has not been reported missing. Within hours of the Yebeis positively identifying the body. If someone thinks that is improbable provenance, why would I question that?
I am not aware of any broken Kenya police biometric system. I would be lying if I say I see anything noteworthy in this chain of events.
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Termie,
Supposing Yebei was trying to get back on Souda's side. Why would Souda deny him?
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And the 'dead man's' story continues....is Yebei alive or dead. I read somewhere that when mr land grabber singh makes a witness dissappear, no trace of any evidence is ever left behind, that is why Khan was so quick to demand a DNA (a first for Kenya). Wanted to be sure it wasnt a rookies mistake. So we may never know what happened to Yebei...Termi I like the part where the Kenyan police manually trace the finger prints back to Yusuf....that is if they had yusuf's fingerprints in their database in the firts place.
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And the 'dead man's' story continues....is Yebei alive or dead. I read somewhere that when mr land grabber singh makes a witness dissappear, no trace of any evidence is ever left behind, that is why Khan was so quick to demand a DNA (a first for Kenya). Wanted to be sure it wasnt a rookies mistake. So we may never know what happened to Yebei...Termi I like the part where the Kenyan police manually trace the finger prints back to Yusuf....that is if they had yusuf's fingerprints in their database in the firts place.
The police do not have a a database of all fingerprints. That's the job of the National Registration Bureau; and they do.
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And the 'dead man's' story continues....is Yebei alive or dead. I read somewhere that when mr land grabber singh makes a witness dissappear, no trace of any evidence is ever left behind, that is why Khan was so quick to demand a DNA (a first for Kenya). Wanted to be sure it wasnt a rookies mistake. So we may never know what happened to Yebei...Termi I like the part where the Kenyan police manually trace the finger prints back to Yusuf....that is if they had yusuf's fingerprints in their database in the firts place.
I am giving Kenya police and their fingerprint matching tech the benefit of the doubt. I imagine unidentified corpses should be a thing of the past.
Likewise I also have seen no good reason to dismiss the Yebeis. They were not present when the finger prints and samples were taken by CID. They could be talking about different bodies for all I know.
All things even, the benefit of the doubt I will readily deny to the word of Kenya police, by sheer the force of history.
For me. The thing that stands out is the selective efficiency and inefficiency of Kenya police.
They were super efficient to dismiss the positive identification of Yebei by his family.
They were lethargic, when Yebei with a history of reporting threats to his life, vanished with no explanation. We have yet to hear of anything from them about who the phone that sent the SMS was registered to. There is a vague reference to an inquiry about the Ugandan number and that is about it. How long do such inquiries take?
Then the Husseins. They don't give a damn who killed their relative. Some would find this a curious fact. Did they kill Yusuf themselves in some family feud?
A lot of fishy things in the Yebei story.
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Yebeis wondering aloud. If the CID's brief is to only verify that the corpse is not Yebei's.
They seem to have this curious notion. That CID would be interested in who killed Yebei or whatever they wish to call him.
They are adamant that Yebei is dead. They are asking Does the CID have a duty to investigate who killed Yebei or whatever they wish to call him?
Even before the dust settles on the grave of Yusuf Hussein, who was buried on Friday, Meshack Yebei's family has turned the heat on the investigations team, complaining of being sidelined.
Speaking to The Standard, Ken Yebei expressed disappointment over what he termed Government failure to make a comprehensive investigation based solely on the murder as opposed to the identity of the body.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000149225&story_title=Meshack%20Yebei%20family%20faults%20CID%20for%20not%20carrying%20out%20thorough%20probe/thecounties/
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The family is blackmailing the entire Police force. They lost their relation we all agree but why shopuld they be given preference over every other John Doe that disappeared before them? Why are they suddenly acting like they are not in Kenia? They are demanding and expecting too much and decrying anything short of this as a conspiracy......I can excuse Julie Ward's father but not a fellow negro
Yebeis wondering aloud. If the CID's brief is to only verify that the corpse is not Yebei's.
They seem to have this curious notion. That CID would be interested in who killed Yebei or whatever they wish to call him.
They are adamant that Yebei is dead. They are asking Does the CID have a duty to investigate who killed Yebei or whatever they wish to call him?
Even before the dust settles on the grave of Yusuf Hussein, who was buried on Friday, Meshack Yebei's family has turned the heat on the investigations team, complaining of being sidelined.
Speaking to The Standard, Ken Yebei expressed disappointment over what he termed Government failure to make a comprehensive investigation based solely on the murder as opposed to the identity of the body.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000149225&story_title=Meshack%20Yebei%20family%20faults%20CID%20for%20not%20carrying%20out%20thorough%20probe/thecounties/
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The family is blackmailing the entire Police force. They lost their relation we all agree but why shopuld they be given preference over every other John Doe that disappeared before them? Why are they suddenly acting like they are not in Kenia? They are demanding and expecting too much and decrying anything short of this as a conspiracy......I can excuse Julie Ward's father but not a fellow negro
Yebeis wondering aloud. If the CID's brief is to only verify that the corpse is not Yebei's.
They seem to have this curious notion. That CID would be interested in who killed Yebei or whatever they wish to call him.
They are adamant that Yebei is dead. They are asking Does the CID have a duty to investigate who killed Yebei or whatever they wish to call him?
Even before the dust settles on the grave of Yusuf Hussein, who was buried on Friday, Meshack Yebei's family has turned the heat on the investigations team, complaining of being sidelined.
Speaking to The Standard, Ken Yebei expressed disappointment over what he termed Government failure to make a comprehensive investigation based solely on the murder as opposed to the identity of the body.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000149225&story_title=Meshack%20Yebei%20family%20faults%20CID%20for%20not%20carrying%20out%20thorough%20probe/thecounties/
They are convinced that dead man was their guy. When I put myself in their shoes, I have nothing but respect for their restraint.
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I don’t blame the family. I would have expected more from the CID too, given the sensationalism this story has generated, and the fact that someone was actually looking for Yebei, as opposed to Yusufs’ whose family was indifferent. The fact that he was a witness of either side, should necessitate that they leave no stones unturned given that a VP and ICC prosecutor (depending on which side you want to believe) have mentioned in connection with the disappearance of Yebei.
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It's 2015; we don't ID bodies by casting lots
IQ of Labrador and the suddenly bereaved
What gives the family a sense of entitlement above the average bereaved or missing person? The media and conspiracy theorists. They are almost blaming the GoK for the fate of Yebei yet the gavaa won't respond because they are bereaved
They are convinced that dead man was their guy. When I put myself in their shoes, I have nothing but respect for their restraint.
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It's 2015; we don't ID bodies by casting lots
IQ of Labrador and the suddenly bereaved
What gives the family a sense of entitlement above the average bereaved or missing person? The media and conspiracy theorists. They are almost blaming the GoK for the fate of Yebei yet the gavaa won't respond because they are bereaved
They are convinced that dead man was their guy. When I put myself in their shoes, I have nothing but respect for their restraint.
The important questions are Do the Yebei's deserve to know why or how Meshack disappeared? Should Kenya police do more to resolve the Yebei mystery? While there is a whole lot of better questions than yours. I put these two at the top.
Think losing a son. A daughter. A brother. Father. Hubby...name it. Then positively identify the body. Then you are told by utumishi kwa wote that he is not the one. What you do about it depends on how much faith you put in Kenya police.
There are those who may think Kenya police has a less than wholesome reputation. The actions of the Yebeis are consistent with this group.
If you are convinced your man has been butchered. What are you supposed to do when shady cops tell you they are searching for him? That seems to be the issue this family is struggling with.
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They deserve EVERYTHING including a living Yebei
But that is no excuse for burying anything
And thank God the cops saw to it that it never got to that...they did fingerprints an then DNA and in the process united another bereaved family with their dead relation
It's 2015; we don't ID bodies by casting lots
IQ of Labrador and the suddenly bereaved
What gives the family a sense of entitlement above the average bereaved or missing person? The media and conspiracy theorists. They are almost blaming the GoK for the fate of Yebei yet the gavaa won't respond because they are bereaved
They are convinced that dead man was their guy. When I put myself in their shoes, I have nothing but respect for their restraint.
The important questions are Do the Yebei's deserve to know why or how Meshack disappeared? Should Kenya police do more to resolve the Yebei mystery? While there is a whole lot of better questions than yours. I put these two at the top.
Think losing a son. A daughter. A brother. Father. Hubby...name it. Then positively identify the body. Then you are told by utumishi kwa wote that he is not the one. What you do about it depends on how much faith you put in Kenya police.
There are those who may think Kenya police has a less than wholesome reputation. The actions of the Yebeis are consistent with this group.
If you are convinced your man has been butchered. What are you supposed to do when shady cops tell you they are searching for him? That seems to be the issue this family is struggling with.
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They deserve EVERYTHING including a living Yebei
But that is no excuse for burying anything
And thank God the cops saw to it that it never got to that...they did fingerprints an then DNA and in the process united another bereaved family with their dead relation
It's 2015; we don't ID bodies by casting lots
IQ of Labrador and the suddenly bereaved
What gives the family a sense of entitlement above the average bereaved or missing person? The media and conspiracy theorists. They are almost blaming the GoK for the fate of Yebei yet the gavaa won't respond because they are bereaved
The important questions are Do the Yebei's deserve to know why or how Meshack disappeared? Should Kenya police do more to resolve the Yebei mystery? While there is a whole lot of better questions than yours. I put these two at the top.
Think losing a son. A daughter. A brother. Father. Hubby...name it. Then positively identify the body. Then you are told by utumishi kwa wote that he is not the one. What you do about it depends on how much faith you put in Kenya police.
There are those who may think Kenya police has a less than wholesome reputation. The actions of the Yebeis are consistent with this group.
If you are convinced your man has been butchered. What are you supposed to do when shady cops tell you they are searching for him? That seems to be the issue this family is struggling with.
Following this story. I feel the Yebeis are probably Christians. Yet it is obvious to me that they don't believe in the resurrection. Certainly not that of Yebei.
The Husseins are content. To be reunited with a murdered and mutilated brother. I am happy for them. As is Kenya police evidently.
The Yebeis seem to think it is important to know who killed that man buried by the Husseins. Prior to this revelation, I was not able to completely dismiss the possibility that they were covering for a Yebei in hiding.
They are sure Yebei was murdered.
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Islam vs Christianity jabs...
They was sure it was Yebei and it was not. So their certainty is guesswork at best
They deserve EVERYTHING including a living Yebei
But that is no excuse for burying anything
And thank God the cops saw to it that it never got to that...they did fingerprints an then DNA and in the process united another bereaved family with their dead relation
It's 2015; we don't ID bodies by casting lots
IQ of Labrador and the suddenly bereaved
What gives the family a sense of entitlement above the average bereaved or missing person? The media and conspiracy theorists. They are almost blaming the GoK for the fate of Yebei yet the gavaa won't respond because they are bereaved
The important questions are Do the Yebei's deserve to know why or how Meshack disappeared? Should Kenya police do more to resolve the Yebei mystery? While there is a whole lot of better questions than yours. I put these two at the top.
Think losing a son. A daughter. A brother. Father. Hubby...name it. Then positively identify the body. Then you are told by utumishi kwa wote that he is not the one. What you do about it depends on how much faith you put in Kenya police.
There are those who may think Kenya police has a less than wholesome reputation. The actions of the Yebeis are consistent with this group.
If you are convinced your man has been butchered. What are you supposed to do when shady cops tell you they are searching for him? That seems to be the issue this family is struggling with.
Following this story. I feel the Yebeis are probably Christians. Yet it is obvious to me that they don't believe in the resurrection. Certainly not that of Yebei.
The Husseins are content. To be reunited with a murdered and mutilated brother. I am happy for them. As is Kenya police evidently.
The Yebeis seem to think it is important to know who killed that man buried by the Husseins. Prior to this revelation, I was not able to completely dismiss the possibility that they were covering for a Yebei in hiding.
They are sure Yebei was murdered.
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Islam vs Christianity jabs...
They was sure it was Yebei and it was not. So their certainty is guesswork at best
They deserve EVERYTHING including a living Yebei
But that is no excuse for burying anything
And thank God the cops saw to it that it never got to that...they did fingerprints an then DNA and in the process united another bereaved family with their dead relation
Following this story. I feel the Yebeis are probably Christians. Yet it is obvious to me that they don't believe in the resurrection. Certainly not that of Yebei.
The Husseins are content. To be reunited with a murdered and mutilated brother. I am happy for them. As is Kenya police evidently.
The Yebeis seem to think it is important to know who killed that man buried by the Husseins. Prior to this revelation, I was not able to completely dismiss the possibility that they were covering for a Yebei in hiding.
They are sure Yebei was murdered.
Nixon Yebei tweets 559263663119679488[/tweet]] (http://[tweet)Invalid Tweet ID[/url].
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Meshack Yebei, u were buried by people unknown to u & who don't share ideals u cherished.@KTNKenya @citizentvkenya @K24Tv@ntvkenya #RIPYebei
He is a brother of the putative late Yebei. He is sure the man is murdered. And mutilated.
The Yebeis probably would not hesitate to take the lazy option. Give Kenya police the benefit of the doubt. Case closed. If utumishi have earned it at least once in 50 years. They have plenty of work to do on that front.
Why a man would want or insist his missing brother is dead when the possibility is offered of a live Yebei...
Not having seen what he has seen. I am in no position to quarrel with him.
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Attention is addictive, they are hooked
Islam vs Christianity jabs...
They was sure it was Yebei and it was not. So their certainty is guesswork at best
They deserve EVERYTHING including a living Yebei
But that is no excuse for burying anything
And thank God the cops saw to it that it never got to that...they did fingerprints an then DNA and in the process united another bereaved family with their dead relation
Following this story. I feel the Yebeis are probably Christians. Yet it is obvious to me that they don't believe in the resurrection. Certainly not that of Yebei.
The Husseins are content. To be reunited with a murdered and mutilated brother. I am happy for them. As is Kenya police evidently.
The Yebeis seem to think it is important to know who killed that man buried by the Husseins. Prior to this revelation, I was not able to completely dismiss the possibility that they were covering for a Yebei in hiding.
They are sure Yebei was murdered.
Nixon Yebei tweets 559263663119679488[/tweet]]Invalid Tweet ID[/url].
Verbatim
Meshack Yebei, u were buried by people unknown to u & who don't share ideals u cherished.@KTNKenya @citizentvkenya @K24Tv@ntvkenya #RIPYebei
He is a brother of the putative late Yebei. He is sure the man is murdered. And mutilated.
The Yebeis probably would not hesitate to take the lazy option. Give Kenya police the benefit of the doubt. Case closed. If utumishi have earned it at least once in 50 years. They have plenty of work to do on that front.
Why a man would want or insist his missing brother is dead when the possibility is offered of a live Yebei...
Not having seen what he has seen. I am in no position to quarrel with him.
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So the negro may not be exactly dead as in dead?
Meshack Yebei's family yesterday visited his four-roomed house in the outskirts of Eldoret town after reports that a person resembling him had been sighted there several times after he was reported missing. The visit comes after two boda boda operators claimed they knew where Yebei was seeking refuge. "We are wondering why you always report that he disappeared. We have seen him around a number of days," said one of the Boda boda riders who sought anonymity. "I saw him last Saturday. That is the last time I saw him, he normally carries a bag. I have carried him on my motorcycle twice since you people reported that he had disappeared," said another rider.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000149642/yebei-s-family-visits-eldoret-house-where-boda-boda-operators-claimed-he-was-sighted-last-week
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Did Yebei abandon his sick child to go and hide in a shack?
The boda boda fellows would have you believe so. They have carried him a couple of times. After all these encounters, why not let the family know about it, they figured.
"We are wondering why you always report that he disappeared. We have seen him around a number of days," said one of the Boda boda riders who sought anonymity.
"I saw him last Saturday. That is the last time I saw him, he normally carries a bag. I have carried him on my motorcycle twice since you people reported that he had disappeared," said another rider.
Needless to say, he was not found.
Did the boda bodas alert CID? Did CID move on after Yusuf was buried? Are they capable of doing more than obfuscation on this case? Does Karim Khan still need his critical witness?
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000149642/yebei-s-family-visits-eldoret-house-where-boda-boda-operators-claimed-he-was-sighted-last-week (http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000149642/yebei-s-family-visits-eldoret-house-where-boda-boda-operators-claimed-he-was-sighted-last-week)
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They spotted JM in Southern Africa long after his disappearance
Told you the negro is dead as in dead and the family was suddenly bereaved
Did Yebei abandon his sick child to go and hide in a shack?
The boda boda fellows would have you believe so. They have carried him a couple of times. After all these encounters, why not let the family know about it, they figured.
"We are wondering why you always report that he disappeared. We have seen him around a number of days," said one of the Boda boda riders who sought anonymity.
"I saw him last Saturday. That is the last time I saw him, he normally carries a bag. I have carried him on my motorcycle twice since you people reported that he had disappeared," said another rider.
Needless to say, he was not found.
Did the boda bodas alert CID? Did CID move on after Yusuf was buried? Are they capable of doing more than obfuscation on this case? Does Karim Khan still need his critical witness?
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000149642/yebei-s-family-visits-eldoret-house-where-boda-boda-operators-claimed-he-was-sighted-last-week (http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000149642/yebei-s-family-visits-eldoret-house-where-boda-boda-operators-claimed-he-was-sighted-last-week)