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Title: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 07:36:29 AM
Instead of championing for national integration and harmony they continue to pursue narrow selfish interests ?s=19
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 07:39:14 AM
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Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 07:43:48 AM
The lesson from 2007 pogrom should not be forgotten by kikuyu nation.Dont make your people subject of hate so much they got attacked from all corners of kenya. Kenya has been generous to kikuyu nation giving them leadership for 35yrs and also Nairobi by happenstance sits in your homeland.Stop the 1 man 1 shillings nonsense from moses kuria when he was drunk. The next boundary review many central const will de eliminated due to declining population. Kikuyus will continue to spread and do business. Don't hurt them with baseless selfish propaganda. SIT DOWN AND GET DATA.Apart from const within Nairobi and Nakuru metro which attract population from all over world..the one man one shilling will disadvantage almost all gema const bar the Ruirus or Juja or such overlying areas with many tribes as residents. Stop selfishness. Stop complaining. Other kenyan have it worse and their grievance more genuine. Build nationhood. By time you feel a turkana or somali have it better than you then you're either ignorant or sick like white American complaining about blacks.TAKE a bus to mandera..travel 800kms in dirt road from Garissa...stop the culture of complaining and entitlement...everyone has a bad deal and they getting on.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 23, 2023, 08:16:21 AM
Instead of championing for national integration and harmony they continue to pursue narrow selfish interests ?s=19
You are obsessed with okuyu. Sorry Pundit however this guy has said 100% truth his language only the undoing as its colloquial and lacks diplomacy and better communication skills.
I can vouch for him when he says warias just are about building big houses i suspect this guy has lived in north eastern or even isiolo. Warias have mbigger than life imagination you just haven't interacted with them.
That said Pundit Okuyu wont learn anything they dont as they always do very well in Kenya.
During 07 it was aid Kibaki was ready to sacrifice 10,000 okuyus too bad only 1,300 okuyus got done for just 10 percent of Kibakis target.
Kikuyu can sacrifce 100,000 and they will be just fine.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 08:36:00 AM
Njuri..I hope next time you offer yourself for sacrifices.one less idiot would  make Kenya better.You're in isiolo but don't see anything wrong with your presence..but see a problem when few wariah come to meru and thrive. Gema have significant dorobo selfish genes that they need to guard against. It's riles me as kalenjin to see any selfishness as our culture is of extreme generosity .Learn to share.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 23, 2023, 09:16:35 AM
Njuri..I hope next time you offer yourself for sacrifices.one less idiot would  make Kenya better.You're in isiolo but don't see anything wrong with your presence..but see a problem when few wariah come to meru and thrive. Gema have significant dorobo selfish genes that they need to guard against. It's riles me as kalenjin to see any selfishness as our culture is of extreme generosity .Learn to share.
Pundit we are talking about Kikuyus not Merus am just calling it like it is with Kikuyus,f
For Merus where have you seen Merus go and take anyone land. Isiolo is historically Meru the south and east part of it we have been there for time memorial ,you want to make it as if we are invaders, actually on contrary we are being attacked by foreigners warias who haven't been there atleast Samburu and borana can claim to be also natives. You see Meru dont have a problem there are thousands of wariahs in Meru no one cares not just warias mogusii jaluo luhyas and Kikuyus are many in urban areas its diverse everyone carries on ,Wameru hawana Ukabila.
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   Identity:
Since the language of the Meru people is a Bantu language, they have traditionally been classified as Bantu.  Some studies on Meru history shows some of the Meru are Cushitic in origin.  Language history can be more easily reconstructed, but ethnic merging is more subtle.  Insights are provided by the complex oral traditons of multiple origins. 
http://orvillejenkins.com/profiles/meru.html

https://www.101lasttribes.com/tribes/meru.html
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 09:20:33 AM
Now you're speaking. We want devolution but not tribalism. We want harmony. As long as we don't have those historical land issues like in isiolo..let move up n down. How to redress historical claims is another difficult conversation and remarks like the moronic gatundu mp who has had presidency for 25yrs are most unfortunate. Gatundu n Baringo central should be the last to complain Both have enjoyed lots of public goodies and should be grateful
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 23, 2023, 09:49:40 AM
Now you're speaking. We want devolution but not tribalism. We want harmony. As long as we don't have those historical land issues like in isiolo..let move up n down. How to redress historical claims is another difficult conversation and remarks like the moronic gatundu mp who has had presidency for 25yrs are most unfortunate. Gatundu n Baringo central should be the last to complain Both have enjoyed lots of public goodies and should be grateful
You have to understand Kikuyus are also under a lot of duress having being in power for longest and having Uhuru gatheca blow up his 10 years has left alot of frustrated people.
Uhuru was a disaster Kiambu is now a cesspool of some sort. All development was taken to nyanza and kakamega.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 09:52:08 AM
When I call you a Moist and an ODMer this is what I mean. You are the reason why Ruto is losing so much support in GEMA.
Right now he needs more of GEMA with onslaught from Raila but you are here advocating for pogroms against GEMA.
As for the CDF the courts were right its unconstitutional and should exist  . It was a mistake executive using backdoor to bring it back in a quest to corrupt and control the legislature . Hence the reason such first time Mps are trying to have it increased for own personal and political reasons.
Kenya is a unitary country a people like you who think from tribal perspectives are in the same boat like this MP you both are enemies of Kenya . We were moving away from tribal politics and you are here bringing us back.
Ruto also is not doing Kenya justice taking advice from tribal kalenjins like you and appointing majority of Kalenjins in vital parastatal sectors , this will be used against him .


The lesson from 2007 pogrom should not be forgotten by kikuyu nation.Dont make your people subject of hate so much they got attacked from all corners of kenya. Kenya has been generous to kikuyu nation giving them leadership for 35yrs and also Nairobi by happenstance sits in your homeland.Stop the 1 man 1 shillings nonsense from moses kuria when he was drunk. The next boundary review many central const will de eliminated due to declining population. Kikuyus will continue to spread and do business. Don't hurt them with baseless selfish propaganda. SIT DOWN AND GET DATA.Apart from const within Nairobi and Nakuru metro which attract population from all over world..the one man one shilling will disadvantage almost all gema const bar the Ruirus or Juja or such overlying areas with many tribes as residents. Stop selfishness. Stop complaining. Other kenyan have it worse and their grievance more genuine. Build nationhood. By time you feel a turkana or somali have it better than you then you're either ignorant or sick like white American complaining about blacks.TAKE a bus to mandera..travel 800kms in dirt road from Garissa...stop the culture of complaining and entitlement...everyone has a bad deal and they getting on.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 11:48:36 AM
When I call you a Moist and an ODMer this is what I mean. You are the reason why Ruto is losing so much support in GEMA.
Right now he needs more of GEMA with onslaught from Raila but you are here advocating for pogroms against GEMA.
As for the CDF the courts were right its unconstitutional and should exist  . It was a mistake executive using backdoor to bring it back in a quest to corrupt and control the legislature . Hence the reason such first time Mps are trying to have it increased for own personal and political reasons.
Kenya is a unitary country a people like you who think from tribal perspectives are in the same boat like this MP you both are enemies of Kenya . We were moving away from tribal politics and you are here bringing us back.
Ruto also is not doing Kenya justice taking advice from tribal kalenjins like you and appointing majority of Kalenjins in vital parastatal sectors , this will be used against him .


The lesson from 2007 pogrom should not be forgotten by kikuyu nation.Dont make your people subject of hate so much they got attacked from all corners of kenya. Kenya has been generous to kikuyu nation giving them leadership for 35yrs and also Nairobi by happenstance sits in your homeland.Stop the 1 man 1 shillings nonsense from moses kuria when he was drunk. The next boundary review many central const will de eliminated due to declining population. Kikuyus will continue to spread and do business. Don't hurt them with baseless selfish propaganda. SIT DOWN AND GET DATA.Apart from const within Nairobi and Nakuru metro which attract population from all over world..the one man one shilling will disadvantage almost all gema const bar the Ruirus or Juja or such overlying areas with many tribes as residents. Stop selfishness. Stop complaining. Other kenyan have it worse and their grievance more genuine. Build nationhood. By time you feel a turkana or somali have it better than you then you're either ignorant or sick like white American complaining about blacks.TAKE a bus to mandera..travel 800kms in dirt road from Garissa...stop the culture of complaining and entitlement...everyone has a bad deal and they getting on.
You need to seek medical help for your insanity
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 11:50:41 AM
Now you're speaking. We want devolution but not tribalism. We want harmony. As long as we don't have those historical land issues like in isiolo..let move up n down. How to redress historical claims is another difficult conversation and remarks like the moronic gatundu mp who has had presidency for 25yrs are most unfortunate. Gatundu n Baringo central should be the last to complain Both have enjoyed lots of public goodies and should be grateful
You have to understand Kikuyus are also under a lot of duress having being in power for longest and having Uhuru gatheca blow up his 10 years has left alot of frustrated people.
Uhuru was a disaster Kiambu is now a cesspool of some sort. All development was taken to nyanza and kakamega.
It's creeping of bad behaviour that started recently that had been dealt with after 2007 pogrom when kikuyu nation realised they need introspection. These leaders can only succeed in isolating their people with such boneheaded hopeless 1 man 1 shillings nonsense
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 12:35:54 PM
The kind of reaction and the unnecessary expending of goodwill ?s=19
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 12:37:17 PM
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Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 02:36:26 PM

Look in the mirror and tell yourself that…..

When I call you a Moist and an ODMer this is what I mean. You are the reason why Ruto is losing so much support in GEMA.
Right now he needs more of GEMA with onslaught from Raila but you are here advocating for pogroms against GEMA.
As for the CDF the courts were right its unconstitutional and should exist  . It was a mistake executive using backdoor to bring it back in a quest to corrupt and control the legislature . Hence the reason such first time Mps are trying to have it increased for own personal and political reasons.
Kenya is a unitary country a people like you who think from tribal perspectives are in the same boat like this MP you both are enemies of Kenya . We were moving away from tribal politics and you are here bringing us back.
Ruto also is not doing Kenya justice taking advice from tribal kalenjins like you and appointing majority of Kalenjins in vital parastatal sectors , this will be used against him .


The lesson from 2007 pogrom should not be forgotten by kikuyu nation.Dont make your people subject of hate so much they got attacked from all corners of kenya. Kenya has been generous to kikuyu nation giving them leadership for 35yrs and also Nairobi by happenstance sits in your homeland.Stop the 1 man 1 shillings nonsense from moses kuria when he was drunk. The next boundary review many central const will de eliminated due to declining population. Kikuyus will continue to spread and do business. Don't hurt them with baseless selfish propaganda. SIT DOWN AND GET DATA.Apart from const within Nairobi and Nakuru metro which attract population from all over world..the one man one shilling will disadvantage almost all gema const bar the Ruirus or Juja or such overlying areas with many tribes as residents. Stop selfishness. Stop complaining. Other kenyan have it worse and their grievance more genuine. Build nationhood. By time you feel a turkana or somali have it better than you then you're either ignorant or sick like white American complaining about blacks.TAKE a bus to mandera..travel 800kms in dirt road from Garissa...stop the culture of complaining and entitlement...everyone has a bad deal and they getting on.
You need to seek medical help for your insanity
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Githunguri on April 23, 2023, 03:00:19 PM
GG Kagombe point is simple.
Lets give reasonable bursaries to every child.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 04:04:48 PM
GG Kagombe point is simple.
Lets give reasonable bursaries to every child.
Every county n cdf get reasonable allocation following fair process with 80 percent of that formulae being population factor plus other factors considered including  geographical size, poverty index, etc.Gatundu should be last people to complain. Kikuyus should not feel any special because no one else is complaining..This kind of nonsense is what led Kikuyus being attacked in all corners of kenya. You need to learn to grateful. Don't isolate yourself. Raila relevance last two decade is down to kikuyu insolence
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 04:16:30 PM
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Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 04:58:31 PM

He is complaining about CDF which they use to disburse bursary . CDF is illegal and should be banned .
If as you claim one man one shilling should benefit the marginalised more why are you complaining and attacking GEMA .
Why dont you deal with this Mp as an individual why drag the whole of GEMA . It just shows your biaseness against GEMA
Fyi its GEMA who made Ruto the president even if he opposed the BBI and one vote one shilling in the last regime  which was being advocated by Azimio . Why werent you attacking GEMA then .
You hate for GEMA is very evident stop pretending .

GG Kagombe point is simple.
Lets give reasonable bursaries to every child.
Every county n cdf get reasonable allocation following fair process with 80 percent of that formulae being population factor plus other factors considered including  geographical size, poverty index, etc.Gatundu should be last people to complain. Kikuyus should not feel any special because no one else is complaining..This kind of nonsense is what led Kikuyus being attacked in all corners of kenya. You need to learn to grateful. Don't isolate yourself. Raila relevance last two decade is down to kikuyu insolence
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: lelewela on April 23, 2023, 05:10:00 PM
No one hates Kikuyus more than themselves.

Pundit basically says don't be selfish, share with other Kenyans what you have the same way you want to have a share in every county migrating to as far as Lamu where a small tribal clash will be a massacre for the diaspora Kikuyus settled near the wariahs.

Central  think of Diaspora Kikuyu interest, that is all .Kikuyu learned boys/girls from central are oblivious to this. It is your choice, fight for Kenya where a kikuyu can be the head of the port of Mombassa, or a Kenya kikuyus have no rights outside Central.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: gout on April 23, 2023, 05:11:42 PM
There are quite some valid questions. It is time we had serious honest public debates such as these ones. The quota system in allocation of school spaces have recognised that.

The fact that most national and extra county schools are located in Central means the quota system works against the locals. It is true that the locals have built the schools and waria seem to be doing nothing. With the population buge and livestock wealth itabidi waache ujinga.

CDF builds infrastructure then a school is classified as extra county.



Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 05:11:57 PM
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Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 05:13:48 PM
For me it appears its pure old jealous..First it was alshaabab then smuggling..then now it's devolution money being used to build apartment. Kikuyus need to internalise one thing..somalis are international business of no mean repute.Quite the hate and jealousy.Somalis are running the show all over as they're mercantile tribe who are great risk takers.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 05:15:52 PM
No one hates Kikuyus more than themselves.

Pundit basically says don't be selfish, share with other Kenyans what you have the same way you want to have a share in every county migrating to as far as Lamu where a small tribal clash will be a massacre for the diaspora Kikuyus settled near the wariahs.

Central  think of Diaspora Kikuyu interest, that is all .Kikuyu learned boys/girls from central are oblivious to this. It is your choice, fight for Kenya where a kikuyu can be the head of the port of Mombassa, or a Kenya kikuyus have no rights outside Central.
With their demographic decline it boneheaded what they are advocating..already in protected const majority were gema..the new IEBC if they boundaries central will cry.For now they should be running away from population as only criteria
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 05:18:48 PM

He is complaining about CDF which they use to disburse bursary . CDF is illegal and should be banned .
If as you claim one man one shilling should benefit the marginalised more why are you complaining and attacking GEMA .
Why dont you deal with this Mp as an individual why drag the whole of GEMA . It just shows your biaseness against GEMA
Fyi its GEMA who made Ruto the president even if he opposed the BBI and one vote one shilling in the last regime  which was being advocated by Azimio . Why werent you attacking GEMA then .
You hate for GEMA is very evident stop pretending .

GG Kagombe point is simple.
Lets give reasonable bursaries to every child.
Every county n cdf get reasonable allocation following fair process with 80 percent of that formulae being population factor plus other factors considered including  geographical size, poverty index, etc.Gatundu should be last people to complain. Kikuyus should not feel any special because no one else is complaining..This kind of nonsense is what led Kikuyus being attacked in all corners of kenya. You need to learn to grateful. Don't isolate yourself. Raila relevance last two decade is down to kikuyu insolence
jinga check the records I have opposed these nonsense from day one..so did Ruto...Sakaja came up win win formulae. Nobody will board kikuyu stupidity..even counties that were benefit from large allocation said nope..not expense of poor turkanas n manderas.Those guys suffer worse form marginalisation..5yr drought just decimated all their cattle..you are cursed if you're fighting such people. Totalyl cursed.Ruto would stupid to entertain such stupidity. GEMA returned favour kalenjin..you still owe kalenjin another support..or we'll you will get arrows in your behind. THAT IS NOT ME..THAT REALITY.I don't sugar-coat things.I say it as it is.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 05:25:46 PM
There are quite some valid questions. It is time we had serious honest public debates such as these ones. The quota system in allocation of school spaces have recognised that.

The fact that most national and extra county schools are located in Central means the quota system works against the locals. It is true that the locals have built the schools and waria seem to be doing nothing. With the population buge and livestock wealth itabidi waache ujinga.

CDF builds infrastructure then a school is classified as extra county.




Kiambu is gone..it becoming Nairobi. Therefore people there should prepare.So is machado and Kajiado. Now why certain regions have better schools...because previous gov didn't build them all over. CDF 100m cannot build good secondary schools...day schools maybe..Gov should build good national and provincial level schools. CDF can't.Counties are not allowed. These regions in ASAL are battling insecurity  ,drought and total lack of infrastructure..they need all support..soon they will get oil or diamonds..they will Starr a civil war if we have mistreated them n refuse to share too.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Fairandbalanced on April 23, 2023, 05:40:41 PM
Another issue I do not have to deal with living in USA, local schools funded by local estate taxes, you cannot take your kid where you do not pay taxes, it’s actually against the law. I live in a very affluent area, high taxes but the schools are insanely funded, the things my kids bring home are enough to start a business in Kenya. This guy is right though, he gets the same CDF like north Eastern mps but instead of this idiots building schools in local areas, they steal the money, build eastleigh and Dubai then send their kids to other areas, it’s insane. There is no tribalism here, it’s a resource issue and not a migration one. Kikuyus who live in Rift valley and other areas do businesses, farm and build this areas, pay taxes etc you cannot fault a guy for advocating for his people.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 05:48:46 PM
Another issue I do not have to deal with living in USA, local schools funded by local estate taxes, you cannot take your kid where you do not pay taxes, it’s actually against the law. I live in a very affluent area, high taxes but the schools are insanely funded, the things my kids bring home are enough to start a business in Kenya. This guy is right though, he gets the same CDF like north Eastern mps but instead of this idiots building schools in local areas, they steal the money, build eastleigh and Dubai then send their kids to other areas, it’s insane. There is no tribalism here, it’s a resource issue and not a migration one. Kikuyus who live in Rift valley and other areas do businesses, farm and build this areas, pay taxes etc you cannot fault a guy for advocating for his people.
ubwa so only somalis mp steal cdf but kikuyu mps don't .infact  they steal less because they use money as bursaries..instead of building schools which where stealing happen.Before cdf n counties somalia were building things.how much can 100m build?.Somalis get money from businesses as you drink Muratina.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 07:00:36 PM


RV , I was not pro BBI nor was I pro one man one vote one shilling.
I was also on record here indicating Uhuru is trying to sell BBI as a Mt Kenya document however only Kiambu and Nairobi would benefit.
Now on your analysis above this new tribe you are calling cosmopolitan why dont you declassify it to the known Kenyan tribes. Then we can discuss from there.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 07:02:11 PM
My views on subject matter , why do you want to do a Raila on me and force a contest ?

Just imagine Mandera even after their numbers were corrected are nearly 1M people - and Kiambu - which is taking a lot of Nairobeans - is mere 2m people.
Kikuyus need to adjust to a new reality where they will not be important tribe - just another tribe.

Give these somalis two more decades -

Maasai were once the most popolous tribe in kenya - but now they a pale shadow of themselves.


RV, one of the reason I said its misplaced for Mt Kenya and Rift Valley to go all out on 1M 1S  debate is  , even if they were to win the amount they would have gained is insignificant vis a vis what they would gain  by retaining the Presidency (Executive) and Legislature  .Let their partner North Eastern Gain in  devolution . As this a mere 15% Max of the audited national revenue .
Now imagine if Railas BBI Referendum goes through which wants to increase   the disbursed national revenue to 35%/40% . This should be the cornerstone of Mt Kenya/RV/Western opposing the referendum  and opposing they will .
They need to look at the bigger picture , the Bomas draft which Raila is advocating is just a scheme to revenge against communities which have been in power and  or are politically superior in capturing power .

RV , I was not pro BBI nor was I pro one man one vote one shilling.
I was also on record here indicating Uhuru is trying to sell BBI as a Mt Kenya document however only Kiambu and Nairobi would benefit.
Now on your analysis above this new tribe you are calling cosmopolitan why dont you declassify it to the known Kenyan tribes. Then we can discuss from there.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 07:03:22 PM


Another one


Counties should be allowed to levy some of the taxes. For example - why should a county remit employee PAYES to KRA. It doesn't make sense. This is money should keep...Counties need to form their own County Revenue Authority - and be allowed to levy some taxes - PAYE of their own employees, VAT and taxes of all contractors working with county gov. That should give them 30% more of the money they receive - and proportionally.

Maybe in 10yrs - counties will have built more capacity - to go fully federal.

Otherwise this is slippery slope..

Every county should eventually get most of resources from their locality.

And national gov should self-fund from national functions - through ports - for examples - immigration - self-fund from charging for passports -

RV, one of the reason I said its misplaced for Mt Kenya and Rift Valley to go all out on 1M 1S  debate is  , even if they were to win the amount they would have gained is insignificant vis a vis what they would gain  by retaining the Presidency (Executive) and Legislature  .Let their partner North Eastern Gain in  devolution . As this a mere 15% Max of the audited national revenue .
Now imagine if Railas BBI Referendum goes through which wants to increase   the disbursed national revenue to 35%/40% . This should be the cornerstone of Mt Kenya/RV/Western opposing the referendum  and opposing they will .
They need to look at the bigger picture , the Bomas draft which Raila is advocating is just a scheme to revenge against communities which have been in power and  or are politically superior in capturing power .




True counties need to identify their strength and areas where they can create revenue and this should form their pool for the recuring expenditure. 
Railas propasal for 40% of national revenue to trickle down to counties is shortsighted, where will government get money to pay state officials  boost defence , seeks and pay loans  etc
If we go Railas way in 5 years time we would make rich county government officials and then be attacked by hostile neighbours and guess who will be negotiating with the hostile neighbours the same county government officials
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 07:06:54 PM
Three years ago schooling Pundit

RV, as you can see its basically a formulae - Sharing Kshs 370 B using allocation factor  on Kshs 158.25 B  and remaining funds using the below parameters

Population weighs 18%
Health 17 %
Agriculture 10 %
Urban Services  5%
Roads  8%
Poverty  14%
Basic Share 20 %
Land Area   8 %

Now the formulae is not synonymous to population in retrospect if you look at it represents 10% of the total package in the formulae . Hence the reason Mandera with a total population of 867,457 is getting  10,222,95 and Kiambu with a population of 2,417,735 is getting  9,431,70


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Below is a list of census 2019 population for all counties released by KNBS:

Mombasa County Population: 1208333
Kwale County: 866820
Kilifi County: 1453787
Tana River County: 315943
Lamu County: 143920
Taita Taveta County: 340671
Garissa County: 841353
Wajir County: 781263
Mandera County: 867457
Marsabit County: 459785
Isiolo County: 268002
Meru County: 1545714
Tharaka Nithi: 393177
Embu County: 608599
Kitui: 1136187
Machakos County: 1421932
Makueni County: 987:653
Nyandarua County: 6382894
Nyeri County: 759164
Kirinyaga County: 610411
Muranga County: 1056640
Kiambu County Population: 2417735
Turkana County: 926976
West Pokot County: 621231
Samburu County: 310327
Transa Nzoia County: 990341
Uasin Gishu County: 1163186
Elgeyo Marakwet: 454480
Nandi County: 885711
Baringo County: 666763
Laikipia County: 518560
Nakuru County: 2162202
Narok County: 1157873
Kajiado County: 1117840
Kericho County: 901777
Bomet County: 875689
Kakamega County: 1867579
Vihiga County: 590013
Bungoma County: 1670570
Busia County: 893183
Siaya County: 993183
Kisumu County: 1155574
Homa Bay County: 1131950
Migori County: 1116436
Kisii County: 1266860
Nyamira County: 605576
Nairobi County Population: 4397073
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 07:20:11 PM
Now let me school Pundit some more……

The current talk of One man one shilling is by MPS to have effected in the CDF which is illegal as per Kenyan courts and Constitution.
The County government share was effected until 2025 .
This is a scheme by selfish Mps and not GEMA  to increase their illegal CDF share to that they can steal and bribe some more .The so called bursary distributed by Mps of Ksh2000 cannot pay school fees nor be used to self maintenance /support by students. Also when they are seen as advocating for it they think in will increase their popularity . It failed with Raila /Handshake and BBI .
GEMA dont like handouts like some of you , they prefer Kibaki era policies which made them thrive in business and increase they life standards .
Having said that the hate of GEMA in engrained in some of people like Pundit , that they see all GEMA as enemy.Luckily  Ruto is cleverer than the likes of Pundit. He also found out that even if he advocated against One vote One shilling and BBI GEMA made him the president and North Eastern voted against him in 2022 elections. The Pundit GEMA hate will fail . If you have an issue with Uhurus Mp please attack him only the same way you always attack Uhuru dont drag the whole GEMA community .
Have you heard a mashinani kikuyu saying he want bursary or you hear them saying they want their businesses to thrive .
Wacha chuki ya kina Moi , you are destroying Kalenjins name who have been in cohorts with GEMA for the last 15 years.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 09:01:19 PM
Now let me school Pundit some more……

The current talk of One man one shilling is by MPS to have effected in the CDF which is illegal as per Kenyan courts and Constitution.
The County government share was effected until 2025 .
This is a scheme by selfish Mps and not GEMA  to increase their illegal CDF share to that they can steal and bribe some more .The so called bursary distributed by Mps of Ksh2000 cannot pay school fees nor be used to self maintenance /support by students. Also when they are seen as advocating for it they think in will increase their popularity . It failed with Raila /Handshake and BBI .
GEMA dont like handouts like some of you , they prefer Kibaki era policies which made them thrive in business and increase they life standards .
Having said that the hate of GEMA in engrained in some of people like Pundit , that they see all GEMA as enemy.Luckily  Ruto is cleverer than the likes of Pundit. He also found out that even if he advocated against One vote One shilling and BBI GEMA made him the president and North Eastern voted against him in 2022 elections. The Pundit GEMA hate will fail . If you have an issue with Uhurus Mp please attack him only the same way you always attack Uhuru dont drag the whole GEMA community .
Have you heard a mashinani kikuyu saying he want bursary or you hear them saying they want their businesses to thrive .
Wacha chuki ya kina Moi , you are destroying Kalenjins name who have been in cohorts with GEMA for the last 15 years.

How can I hate my wife n inlaws and my half gema kids.My small bro married from kiambu.my cousin best friend kiambu.i don't hate or love gema or luos or somalis.I like and hate individuals...with names. One man one nonsense is stupidity on steroids and was moses kuria attempts to torpedo bbi.It propaganda that uses Ruirus and juja otherwise kikuyu lead in constituency that should not exist..and it will get worse with population decline
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 09:02:16 PM
Three years ago schooling Pundit

RV, as you can see its basically a formulae - Sharing Kshs 370 B using allocation factor  on Kshs 158.25 B  and remaining funds using the below parameters

Population weighs 18%
Health 17 %
Agriculture 10 %
Urban Services  5%
Roads  8%
Poverty  14%
Basic Share 20 %
Land Area   8 %

Now the formulae is not synonymous to population in retrospect if you look at it represents 10% of the total package in the formulae . Hence the reason Mandera with a total population of 867,457 is getting  10,222,95 and Kiambu with a population of 2,417,735 is getting  9,431,70


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Below is a list of census 2019 population for all counties released by KNBS:

Mombasa County Population: 1208333
Kwale County: 866820
Kilifi County: 1453787
Tana River County: 315943
Lamu County: 143920
Taita Taveta County: 340671
Garissa County: 841353
Wajir County: 781263
Mandera County: 867457
Marsabit County: 459785
Isiolo County: 268002
Meru County: 1545714
Tharaka Nithi: 393177
Embu County: 608599
Kitui: 1136187
Machakos County: 1421932
Makueni County: 987:653
Nyandarua County: 6382894
Nyeri County: 759164
Kirinyaga County: 610411
Muranga County: 1056640
Kiambu County Population: 2417735
Turkana County: 926976
West Pokot County: 621231
Samburu County: 310327
Transa Nzoia County: 990341
Uasin Gishu County: 1163186
Elgeyo Marakwet: 454480
Nandi County: 885711
Baringo County: 666763
Laikipia County: 518560
Nakuru County: 2162202
Narok County: 1157873
Kajiado County: 1117840
Kericho County: 901777
Bomet County: 875689
Kakamega County: 1867579
Vihiga County: 590013
Bungoma County: 1670570
Busia County: 893183
Siaya County: 993183
Kisumu County: 1155574
Homa Bay County: 1131950
Migori County: 1116436
Kisii County: 1266860
Nyamira County: 605576
Nairobi County Population: 4397073
Moron you supported kangata uhuru nonsense that was rejected...Sakaja brilliantly moved the debate to county function. Sakaja is kind of leaders we need.Ruto was instrumental in leading misguided gema leaders to abandon one man selfish stupidity..and this will not change soon.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 09:14:55 PM
You see when the likes of Pundit threaten to Finish GEMA using constituency reviews they forget Constitution of Kenya has lacunas about delimitation of electoral units and it will require Parliament enacted laws and political will to cover any grey areas.
There is a reason why there was an uproar during the last demarcation if you remember this you will appreciate the people who came up with constitution had figured out that this was a contentious issue and it would be dealt with politically .
Try reducing current Mt Kenya Constituencies and tey giving them to Kalenjin Rift Valley and see if Mt Kenya will vote for Ruto come 2027.
By law this should be the last year where the review should be done if Im not mistaken.

Now as for CDF that thing should be abolished all together . Rather create a Ward fund through the county monies allocation.
Legislators role should be to create laws and we will see more productive and less corrupt politicians in the parliament .

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Constitution of Kenya
89. Delimitation of electoral units

(1) There shall be two hundred and ninety constituencies for the purposes of the election of the members of the National Assembly provided for in Article 97 (1) (a).
(2) The Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission shall review the names and boundaries of constituencies at intervals of not less than eight years, and not more than twelve years, but any review shall be completed at least twelve months before a general election of members of Parliament.
(3) The Commission shall review the number, names and boundaries of wards periodically.
(4) If a general election is to be held within twelve months after the completion of a review by the Commission, the new boundaries shall not take effect for purposes of that election.
(5) The boundaries of each constituency shall be such that the number of inhabitants in the constituency is, as nearly as possible, equal to the population quota, but the number of inhabitants of a constituency may be greater or lesser than the population quota in the manner specified in clause (6) to take account of--

(a) geographical features and urban centres;
(b) community of interest, historical, economic and cultural ties; and
(c) means of communication.

(6) The number of inhabitants of a constituency or ward may be greater or lesser than the population quota by a margin of not more than--

(a) forty per cent for cities and sparsely populated areas;
and
(b) thirty per cent for the other areas.

(7) In reviewing constituency and ward boundaries the Commission shall--

(a) consult all interested parties; and
(b) progressively work towards ensuring that the number of inhabitants in each constituency and ward is, as nearly as possible, equal to the population quota.

(8) If necessary, the Commission shall alter the names and boundaries of constituencies, and the number, names and boundaries of wards.
(9) Subject to clauses (1), (2), (3) and (4), the names and details of the boundaries of constituencies and wards determined by the Commission shall be published in the Gazette, and shall come into effect on the dissolution of Parliament first following their publication.
(10) A person may apply to the High Court for review of a decision of the Commission made under this Article.
(11) An application for the review of a decision made under this Article shall be filed within thirty days of the publication of the decision in the Gazette and shall be heard and determined within three months of the date on which it is filed.
(12) For the purposes of this Article, “population quota” means the number obtained by dividing the number of inhabitants of Kenya by the number of constituencies or wards, as applicable, into which Kenya is divided under this Article
.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 09:19:58 PM
I have never supported One Man One Vote One Shilling , I told you so that era .
I am for one Kenya unlike you who is tribal and is for regional governments
Raila supported that also with BBI as he shares same  ideals with you.
Go through my posts I was so against it that I earmarked Kangata as person who should be dealt with come 2022.
His letter to Uhuru and his persecution by ODMers made me have a soft spot for him. He dealt Uhuru and Azimio an uppercut.
It was because of the letter that people came to know there will be mass defections from GEMA come 2022 which happened en mass .
I can fish out more posts . I was Team Kenya and anti BBI .



Three years ago schooling Pundit

RV, as you can see its basically a formulae - Sharing Kshs 370 B using allocation factor  on Kshs 158.25 B  and remaining funds using the below parameters

Population weighs 18%
Health 17 %
Agriculture 10 %
Urban Services  5%
Roads  8%
Poverty  14%
Basic Share 20 %
Land Area   8 %

Now the formulae is not synonymous to population in retrospect if you look at it represents 10% of the total package in the formulae . Hence the reason Mandera with a total population of 867,457 is getting  10,222,95 and Kiambu with a population of 2,417,735 is getting  9,431,70


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zynf3fvL6oIRYfyRC9MbljO4TcLZpCxJUcnMHBUPVIO2em5y62J4w9pDm6h4JxSqXyPwE3oIqdduAsCk3qWPRKxpM4Pbug=s1200)

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Quote
Below is a list of census 2019 population for all counties released by KNBS:

Mombasa County Population: 1208333
Kwale County: 866820
Kilifi County: 1453787
Tana River County: 315943
Lamu County: 143920
Taita Taveta County: 340671
Garissa County: 841353
Wajir County: 781263
Mandera County: 867457
Marsabit County: 459785
Isiolo County: 268002
Meru County: 1545714
Tharaka Nithi: 393177
Embu County: 608599
Kitui: 1136187
Machakos County: 1421932
Makueni County: 987:653
Nyandarua County: 6382894
Nyeri County: 759164
Kirinyaga County: 610411
Muranga County: 1056640
Kiambu County Population: 2417735
Turkana County: 926976
West Pokot County: 621231
Samburu County: 310327
Transa Nzoia County: 990341
Uasin Gishu County: 1163186
Elgeyo Marakwet: 454480
Nandi County: 885711
Baringo County: 666763
Laikipia County: 518560
Nakuru County: 2162202
Narok County: 1157873
Kajiado County: 1117840
Kericho County: 901777
Bomet County: 875689
Kakamega County: 1867579
Vihiga County: 590013
Bungoma County: 1670570
Busia County: 893183
Siaya County: 993183
Kisumu County: 1155574
Homa Bay County: 1131950
Migori County: 1116436
Kisii County: 1266860
Nyamira County: 605576
Nairobi County Population: 4397073
Moron you supported kangata uhuru nonsense that was rejected...Sakaja brilliantly moved the debate to county function. Sakaja is kind of leaders we need.Ruto was instrumental in leading misguided gema leaders to abandon one man selfish stupidity..and this will not change soon.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
Nowayhaha,  devolution or federalism doesn't mean we tear apart kenya.We will still have a national gov n will share things equitably. Not equally. EQUITABLY.Const delimination will use census n protected constituencies majority in gema will go.Ruto will never be intimidated to violate constitution. Reality is thar likes of juja and Ruiru will split..and non kikuyus could win one or two.So kikuyu leaders need to stop the nonense. They are on their own.kalenjin leadership will never be part of one man nonsense as it runs contra to decency. This kind of tribal nonsense had ended until uhuru handshake.We have to nip it in the bud.Moronic leaders are isolating innocent majority of kikuyus hustling all over the world with overt tribal selfishness. Deal with real issues like alcoholism..leave this one man one shilling...it will only succeed in isolating gema
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 23, 2023, 10:30:42 PM
?s=19

If I didn't know any better, I would have sworn I was listening to a MAGA moron.  No difference, especially in the derisive attitude towards the "less hardworking" folks.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Fairandbalanced on April 23, 2023, 10:45:58 PM
Kikuyus are not in any way jealous of Somalis, how you can extrapolate a small local issue to talk of genocide is beyond me. Somalis are no where near Kikuyus, in fact most of them hold Kikuyus in awe. To eclipse a tribe like kikuyu, it takes more than a few buildings or real estate development. It takes years of education and developing Human Resource, come here in the USA and we will show you how Kenyan Somalis are not even close. I am all for devolution and even to sub-location level but in Kenya, translating that to development remains a huge myth.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Githunguri on April 23, 2023, 10:52:48 PM
GG Kagombe point is simple.
Lets give reasonable bursaries to every child.
Every county n cdf get reasonable allocation following fair process with 80 percent of that formulae being population factor plus other factors considered including  geographical size, poverty index, etc.Gatundu should be last people to complain. Kikuyus should not feel any special because no one else is complaining..This kind of nonsense is what led Kikuyus being attacked in all corners of kenya. You need to learn to grateful. Don't isolate yourself. Raila relevance last two decade is down to kikuyu insolence

one thing ill never do on this forum is to engage into stupid arguments with you.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 11:01:32 PM
Why I call what spew as upuzi is specifically for this reasons
In the last senate only Kipchumba Murkomen voted against One Man One shilling
The other Kalenjin Senators likes of Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio  voted for it.

https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/55824-25-senators-who-shot-down-revenue-allocation-formula-list

Below are names of 25 senators who shot down Kang’ata’s motion

Fatuma Dullo
Ibrahim Ali
Issa Juma
Hajj Moh'd Yussuf
Hargura Godana
Ekal Malachi
Boniface Kabaka
George Khaniri
Sam Ongeri
Stewart Mazda yo
Cleophas Malala
Eric Mogeni
Mutula Kilonzo
Sen. Johnes Mwaruma
Mwinyihaji Faki
Ledama Ole Kina
Sakaja Johnson
Enoch Wambua
Kindiki Kithure
Lelegwe Ltumbesi
Anwar Loitiptip
Mahamud Mohamed
Wario Juma
 Philip Mpaayei
Kipchumba Murkomen



kalenjin leadership will never be part of one man nonsense as it runs contra to decency. This kind of tribal nonsense had ended until uhuru handshake.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 11:11:29 PM
Even Jaduong Githunguri knows you have alot of Upuzi …..


GG Kagombe point is simple.
Lets give reasonable bursaries to every child.
Every county n cdf get reasonable allocation following fair process with 80 percent of that formulae being population factor plus other factors considered including  geographical size, poverty index, etc.Gatundu should be last people to complain. Kikuyus should not feel any special because no one else is complaining..This kind of nonsense is what led Kikuyus being attacked in all corners of kenya. You need to learn to grateful. Don't isolate yourself. Raila relevance last two decade is down to kikuyu insolence

one thing ill never do on this forum is to engage into stupid arguments with you.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 11:26:45 PM
?s=19

If I didn't know any better, I would have sworn I was listening to a MAGA moron.  No difference, especially in the derisive attitude towards the "less hardworking" folks.
exactly. We are dealing with same problem
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 11:29:35 PM
Kikuyus are not in any way jealous of Somalis, how you can extrapolate a small local issue to talk of genocide is beyond me. Somalis are no where near Kikuyus, in fact most of them hold Kikuyus in awe. To eclipse a tribe like kikuyu, it takes more than a few buildings or real estate development. It takes years of education and developing Human Resource, come here in the USA and we will show you how Kenyan Somalis are not even close. I am all for devolution and even to sub-location level but in Kenya, translating that to development remains a huge myth.
Dude somalis n Eritrean play in big league.Its like Gujerratis,Chinese, Jews and such merchant tribes.kikuyus you don't feature. Somalis are serious international businesses men for centuries. Kikuyus should read books..somalis, gujeratis,Jews,some Chinese, etc are in another league. Just plant potatoes..don't stress us with China square..Indians..somalis every few months. There merchenantile tribes...somalis are crazy risk takers..go to even CAR.Somalis like Gujerratis and Jews have built international network  based on trust that do business worldwide. You can't beat them
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 11:31:41 PM
Why I call what spew as upuzi is specifically for this reasons
In the last senate only Kipchumba Murkomen voted against One Man One shilling
The other Kalenjin Senators likes of Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio  voted for it.

https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/55824-25-senators-who-shot-down-revenue-allocation-formula-list

Below are names of 25 senators who shot down Kang’ata’s motion

Fatuma Dullo
Ibrahim Ali
Issa Juma
Hajj Moh'd Yussuf
Hargura Godana
Ekal Malachi
Boniface Kabaka
George Khaniri
Sam Ongeri
Stewart Mazda yo
Cleophas Malala
Eric Mogeni
Mutula Kilonzo
Sen. Johnes Mwaruma
Mwinyihaji Faki
Ledama Ole Kina
Sakaja Johnson
Enoch Wambua
Kindiki Kithure
Lelegwe Ltumbesi
Anwar Loitiptip
Mahamud Mohamed
Wario Juma
 Philip Mpaayei
Kipchumba Murkomen



kalenjin leadership will never be part of one man nonsense as it runs contra to decency. This kind of tribal nonsense had ended until uhuru handshake.
Ruto was handling gema leader idiots like babies..motion had to be defeated..without making the stupid gema look like idiots.Sakaja brilliantly saved the situation
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2023, 11:38:36 PM
Even in Jesus time somalis were traders.Wachana na wao. Dont think they need cdf or county to thrive. Every country they go they will strive..so will jews and the Gujerratis of India.You can't beat then.
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_history_of_Somalia
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 23, 2023, 11:58:43 PM

Yes So Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio are GEMA idiots .
Upuuuuuzi……

Team Kenya saved the Day then it was Mutula Kilonzo, Sakaja Johnson, Kipchumba Murkomen and Cleophas Malala.



Why I call what spew as upuzi is specifically for this reasons
In the last senate only Kipchumba Murkomen voted against One Man One shilling
The other Kalenjin Senators likes of Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio  voted for it.

https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/55824-25-senators-who-shot-down-revenue-allocation-formula-list

Below are names of 25 senators who shot down Kang’ata’s motion

Fatuma Dullo
Ibrahim Ali
Issa Juma
Hajj Moh'd Yussuf
Hargura Godana
Ekal Malachi
Boniface Kabaka
George Khaniri
Sam Ongeri
Stewart Mazda yo
Cleophas Malala
Eric Mogeni
Mutula Kilonzo
Sen. Johnes Mwaruma
Mwinyihaji Faki
Ledama Ole Kina
Sakaja Johnson
Enoch Wambua
Kindiki Kithure
Lelegwe Ltumbesi
Anwar Loitiptip
Mahamud Mohamed
Wario Juma
 Philip Mpaayei
Kipchumba Murkomen



kalenjin leadership will never be part of one man nonsense as it runs contra to decency. This kind of tribal nonsense had ended until uhuru handshake.
Ruto was handling gema leader idiots like babies..motion had to be defeated..without making the stupid gema look like idiots.Sakaja brilliantly saved the situation
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 12:35:19 AM

Yes So Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio are GEMA idiots .
Upuuuuuzi……

Team Kenya saved the Day then it was Mutula Kilonzo, Sakaja Johnson, Kipchumba Murkomen and Cleophas Malala.



Why I call what spew as upuzi is specifically for this reasons
In the last senate only Kipchumba Murkomen voted against One Man One shilling
The other Kalenjin Senators likes of Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio  voted for it.

https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/55824-25-senators-who-shot-down-revenue-allocation-formula-list

Below are names of 25 senators who shot down Kang’ata’s motion

Fatuma Dullo
Ibrahim Ali
Issa Juma
Hajj Moh'd Yussuf
Hargura Godana
Ekal Malachi
Boniface Kabaka
George Khaniri
Sam Ongeri
Stewart Mazda yo
Cleophas Malala
Eric Mogeni
Mutula Kilonzo
Sen. Johnes Mwaruma
Mwinyihaji Faki
Ledama Ole Kina
Sakaja Johnson
Enoch Wambua
Kindiki Kithure
Lelegwe Ltumbesi
Anwar Loitiptip
Mahamud Mohamed
Wario Juma
 Philip Mpaayei
Kipchumba Murkomen



kalenjin leadership will never be part of one man nonsense as it runs contra to decency. This kind of tribal nonsense had ended until uhuru handshake.
Ruto was handling gema leader idiots like babies..motion had to be defeated..without making the stupid gema look like idiots.Sakaja brilliantly saved the situation
most of kalenjin were btw rock n hard place..today they should be free to reject blackmail
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Githunguri on April 24, 2023, 12:58:11 AM
Even Jaduong Githunguri knows you have alot of Upuzi …..


GG Kagombe point is simple.
Lets give reasonable bursaries to every child.
Every county n cdf get reasonable allocation following fair process with 80 percent of that formulae being population factor plus other factors considered including  geographical size, poverty index, etc.Gatundu should be last people to complain. Kikuyus should not feel any special because no one else is complaining..This kind of nonsense is what led Kikuyus being attacked in all corners of kenya. You need to learn to grateful. Don't isolate yourself. Raila relevance last two decade is down to kikuyu insolence

one thing ill never do on this forum is to engage into stupid arguments with you.

Its a country wide problem.revenue sharing.
The resources in urban settlements and highly populated areas are squeezed especially towarsds social services like health,education.

In an area like Kiambu,There are so many luhyas and luos working in tea and coffee plantations,house maids,factories n ruiru which employ thoysands and they send their kids to schools in these areas,How many kikuyus do you find in kisumu or kakamega versus luos and luhya in kiambu?
How many mijikenda do you find in nyanza versus luos in likoni?

Secondly,We need to check the money disbursed to coounties and constituencies versus population.Alot of people are suffering.Id rather be a shamba boy in uasin ngishu than be a slum resident in mathare.life in towns is difficult for kids and parent.In towns there are now cows water firewood food soil made houses.you pay for everything even being a pastoralist is better.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 01:21:17 AM

Nop there was no blackmail , Cherargei and Cheryuoit were the most vocal amongst supporters of One man One shilling because they knew based on their county population they would benefit at the behest of Somali , Turkana and Samburu Mijikenda and Taita .
They even gave Malala and Sakaja a tongue lash .
Kamar , Phogisio and Moi did it for political reasons they had just been given positions in the new Jubilee arrangement.
 Murkomen and kindiki had just been demoted from Majority leader and Deputy speaker positions they were fighting back and also knew this was a ploy leading to Raila using it to advance BBI and later use the momentum for 2022 elections .
Well you can say they were principled just like you and I. Yours was agaist GEMA benefiting mine is because I believe in Kenya as a Nation and also knew Raila was going to use it as a political tool.


Yes So Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio are GEMA idiots .
Upuuuuuzi……

Team Kenya saved the Day then it was Mutula Kilonzo, Sakaja Johnson, Kipchumba Murkomen and Cleophas Malala.



Why I call what spew as upuzi is specifically for this reasons
In the last senate only Kipchumba Murkomen voted against One Man One shilling
The other Kalenjin Senators likes of Samson Cherargei,Aaron Cheryuoit , Margaret Kamar, Gideon Moi, Christipher Langat and Samuel Phogisio  voted for it.

https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/55824-25-senators-who-shot-down-revenue-allocation-formula-list

Below are names of 25 senators who shot down Kang’ata’s motion

Fatuma Dullo
Ibrahim Ali
Issa Juma
Hajj Moh'd Yussuf
Hargura Godana
Ekal Malachi
Boniface Kabaka
George Khaniri
Sam Ongeri
Stewart Mazda yo
Cleophas Malala
Eric Mogeni
Mutula Kilonzo
Sen. Johnes Mwaruma
Mwinyihaji Faki
Ledama Ole Kina
Sakaja Johnson
Enoch Wambua
Kindiki Kithure
Lelegwe Ltumbesi
Anwar Loitiptip
Mahamud Mohamed
Wario Juma
 Philip Mpaayei
Kipchumba Murkomen



kalenjin leadership will never be part of one man nonsense as it runs contra to decency. This kind of tribal nonsense had ended until uhuru handshake.
Ruto was handling gema leader idiots like babies..motion had to be defeated..without making the stupid gema look like idiots.Sakaja brilliantly saved the situation
most of kalenjin were btw rock n hard place..today they should be free to reject blackmail
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 01:52:51 AM

Of Kalenjin leaders will never support one man on shilling vote

Part 1 Kalenjin RV Governors


Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 02:00:28 AM
Of Kalenjin leaders will never support one man on shilling vote

Part 2 -Cherargei



Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 02:37:14 AM


Of Kalenjin leaders will never support one man on shilling vote

Part 3 Margaret Kamar

Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 02:47:59 AM


Of Kalenjin leaders will never support one man on shilling vote

Part 4 Governor Tolgos



Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Fairandbalanced on April 24, 2023, 03:08:39 AM
Our friend here is not getting enough sleep, his brain is rotting before our eyes .. ?s=46&t=3-3-_ehcZbukDCK7hNe5LA
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 07:11:40 AM

Of Kalenjin leaders will never support one man on shilling vote

Part 1 Kalenjin RV Governors


Again you're highlighted the same nonsense...one bunch were uhuru bought idiots..the other was trying to give gema fake support. End of day these kind of one man nonsense will never see the light
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Kadudu on April 24, 2023, 10:47:16 AM
Says one very ignorant person. Have you been to those areas to see that "development" of the last years of Uhuru's regime?

I just do not understand Mt Kenya folks and its politicians. After more than 35 years at the helm of the country they lead in complaining about the distribution of national resources. Why did they not develop and push for the necessary policies when their man was at the top? Is their a region that is more developed in Kenya than Mt Kenya region?

On the schools. Most schools were not built using CDF (illegal fund), but using national resources and many of the schools were built by missionaries before the Kenya goverment nationalised them. The semi-arid regions never had this pravilege. Several of the top national schools today were even built by the British settlers for their own kids. Of course no settler would have had the idea of building a school for his kid in Mandera. It is a pity that Mt Kenya politicians can incite their folks to believe that they receive less than what they deserve.

Gatundu South MP Gabriel Kagombe is in parliament. Why not table a bill to "rectify" what he deems wrong rather than go to barazas to preach hatred?

You have to understand Kikuyus are also under a lot of duress having being in power for longest and having Uhuru gatheca blow up his 10 years has left alot of frustrated people.
Uhuru was a disaster Kiambu is now a cesspool of some sort. All development was taken to nyanza and kakamega.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 11:35:18 AM
Exactly. We need to nip this problem from re-emerging again. It had disappeared after PEV of 2007 and many Mt kenya leaders had decided to behave. The bad manners are creeping back.

Says one very ignorant person. Have you been to those areas to see that "development" of the last years of Uhuru's regime?

I just do not understand Mt Kenya folks and its politicians. After more than 35 years at the helm of the country they lead in complaining about the distribution of national resources. Why did they not develop and push for the necessary policies when their man was at the top? Is their a region that is more developed in Kenya than Mt Kenya region?

On the schools. Most schools were not built using CDF (illegal fund), but using national resources and many of the schools were built by missionaries before the Kenya goverment nationalised them. The semi-arid regions never had this pravilege. Several of the top national schools today were even built by the British settlers for their own kids. Of course no settler would have had the idea of building a school for his kid in Mandera. It is a pity that Mt Kenya politicians can incite their folks to believe that they receive less than what they deserve.

Gatundu South MP Gabriel Kagombe is in parliament. Why not table a bill to "rectify" what he deems wrong rather than go to barazas to preach hatred?

You have to understand Kikuyus are also under a lot of duress having being in power for longest and having Uhuru gatheca blow up his 10 years has left alot of frustrated people.
Uhuru was a disaster Kiambu is now a cesspool of some sort. All development was taken to nyanza and kakamega.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Fairandbalanced on April 24, 2023, 02:31:07 PM
Somali is a tribe of one lawyer, one doctor, one nurse, two engineers etc they are no where near the big leagues on anything.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 02:37:43 PM
In business - they run everything in east africa - not just kenya. Somalis are very good merchants. Very great risk takes. Very trusthworthy. Very cooperative amongst themselves.  Somalis thrive almost in every country...in small business.

Like Gujeratis of Indian - let try to emulate - otherwise mindless hatred of Somalis like most GEMA have - is pointless - Somalis will continue to thrive and overtake many business - because they are smart businessmen.

And so are the Jews


Somali is a tribe of one lawyer, one doctor, one nurse, two engineers etc they are no where near the big leagues on anything.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on April 24, 2023, 02:42:11 PM
In business - they run everything in east africa - not just kenya. Somalis are very good merchants. Very great risk takes. Very trusthworthy.  Somalis thrive almost in every country...in small business.

Somali is a tribe of one lawyer, one doctor, one nurse, two engineers etc they are no where near the big leagues on anything.
So why dont they thrive in their own country somalia?
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 02:48:38 PM
Somalis are not conformist - that is why they are good in business
They are dare-devil risk takers - who have a problem taking orders - being employed or being servitude or being good citizens.

So what makes them great businessmen - make them bad citizens or employees. They simply cannot take orders or work with structures or under someone.

Kamba make good loyal employees - Not a kikuyu or Somali. Kikuyu is milder version of Somali.

So why dont they thrive in their own country somalia?
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 02:48:52 PM
Who said GEMA hates Somali ? Baseless imagination . I always say you have GEMA phobia . Its so engrained in your genes that you see them even enemies of other tribes . This are the effects of being brainwashed duting Moi era.
And dont come with that fake ass line I married a GEMA bla bla bla .
Biggest Anti GEMA politicians are married to GEMA from Raila himself with the children to Kingi etc


In business - they run everything in east africa - not just kenya. Somalis are very good merchants. Very great risk takes. Very trusthworthy. Very cooperative amongst themselves.  Somalis thrive almost in every country...in small business.

Like Gujeratis of Indian - let try to emulate - otherwise mindless hatred of Somalis like most GEMA have - is pointless - Somalis will continue to thrive and overtake many business - because they are smart businessmen.


Somali is a tribe of one lawyer, one doctor, one nurse, two engineers etc they are no where near the big leagues on anything.
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 02:50:00 PM
Nobody in Kenya hates or has problem with somalis except GEMA. Deal with it. I am not here to sugarcoat things.

GEMA have also been subject of hate from kenyans due to their success.

Obviously they also hate successfully indians and now that has become Somalis.

So it kind of cascading jealousy and hatred. Kenyans hate/jealous about kikuyu success. Kikuyu hates/jealous about Indians & now Somali success.

Who said GEMA hates Somali ? Baseless imagination . I always say you have GEMA phobia . Its so engrained in your genes that you see them even enemies of other tribes . This are the effects of being brainwashed duting Moi era.
And dont come with that fake ass line I married a GEMA bla bla bla .
Biggest Anti GEMA politicians are married to GEMA from Raila himself with the children to Kingi etc
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 04:10:23 PM


I have told you time and again you have your own imaginative issues against Kikuyu . What I have described as Moism and Odmism.
Somalis love Gema so much that they voted for Kibaki and Uhuru from 2002 , 2007,2013 and 2017 elections. Something which Ruto fell in 2022.

Ive never heard of hatred between Somalis and Kikuyus actually if we were to talk on facts alone . Somalis thrived under Kibaki and Uhuru . For Indians they blamed Kibaki tor their businesses going down but we all know it was because kibaki opened Kenyan economy for all and sundry . GEMA just continued doing business .

Now as for GEMA enmity with Raila this is real . The reason why Ruto is president .


May I ask a question why the envy of GEMA success ? Why not envy Kisii and Somali who are also doing well business wise .

Nobody in Kenya hates or has problem with somalis except GEMA. Deal with it. I am not here to sugarcoat things.

GEMA have also been subject of hate from kenyans due to their success.

Obviously they also hate successfully indians and now that has become Somalis.

So it kind of cascading jealousy and hatred. Kenyans hate/jealous about kikuyu success. Kikuyu hates/jealous about Indians & now Somali success.

Who said GEMA hates Somali ? Baseless imagination . I always say you have GEMA phobia . Its so engrained in your genes that you see them even enemies of other tribes . This are the effects of being brainwashed duting Moi era.
And dont come with that fake ass line I married a GEMA bla bla bla .
Biggest Anti GEMA politicians are married to GEMA from Raila himself with the children to Kingi etc
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Kadudu on April 24, 2023, 04:18:51 PM
I would say it is GEMA leaders that are paranoid. Do you hear any politician calling out Mt Kenya residents anywhere in Kenya? Even today go to Kisumu and you will find Mt Kenyans doing their biashara as usual. Let us remind you that this discussion came about due to utterances of a Kiambu MP.

Who said GEMA hates Somali ? Baseless imagination . I always say you have GEMA phobia . Its so engrained in your genes that you see them even enemies of other tribes . This are the effects of being brainwashed duting Moi era.
And dont come with that fake ass line I married a GEMA bla bla bla .
Biggest Anti GEMA politicians are married to GEMA from Raila himself with the children to Kingi etc
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 04:26:22 PM
Somalis and small tribes will generally support any gov in power. That is why Kenyatta wasted his effort funding UDM - they soon joined Ruto.

Now if you seriously think GEMA have no issues with Somalis - then we have no debate. I have heard and seen enough ever since Somalis emerged as force to reckon with business - late 90s - to really no debate.

GEMA need to get over their envy/jealousy over Somali success - and same way Kenyans need to also get over their envy/hatred of kikuyu for their success. Stop this one man one shilling nonsense targetting somalis or claiming that somalis are using devolution to build flats in Nairobi.

The envy/jealously can be healed - most Kalenjin are now generally okay with Kikuyus/gusii - they have learnt to do farming/business like Kikuyus.

My father was biggest advocate against that kind of tribal envy/hatred - and organized several farming trips to GEMA - so Kalenjin can learn how GEMA agriculture thrived - instead of remaining like Luos - who just dismiss any Kikuyu success as thievery - instead of learning from them.

Kikuyus can learn from Somalis - many things that make them tick in business - generally their ability to cooperate and their trustworthiness - and their lack of greed.

These are difficult conversation but they must be had.

Definitely anyone trying to harm the kenya harmony and nationhood need to be castigated. Therefore expect me to cane Kikiyu leaders until they toe the line.

I have told you time and again you have your own imaginative issues against Kikuyu . What I have described as Moism and Odmism.
Somalis love Gema so much that they voted for Kibaki and Uhuru from 2002 , 2007,2013 and 2017 elections. Something which Ruto fell in 2022.

Ive never heard of hatred between Somalis and Kikuyus actually if we were to talk on facts alone . Somalis thrived under Kibaki and Uhuru . For Indians they blamed Kibaki tor their businesses going down but we all know it was because kibaki opened Kenyan economy for all and sundry . GEMA just continued doing business .

Now as for GEMA enmity with Raila this is real . The reason why Ruto is president .


May I ask a question why the envy of GEMA success ? Why not envy Kisii and Somali who are also doing well business wise .
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 24, 2023, 05:07:16 PM


Ofcourse The politicians are trying to play populist politics just like last time with BBI too . But GEMA masses know the real deal .
They voted for Ruto even when Raila was pretending to advance their interests with one man one vote and increasing constituencies with BBI.
The anti BBI was lead by none other than Ndii and Martha Karua GEMA leaders when we asked Ruto to lay low .
Now please attack the Gatundu South Mp and leave GEMA out of the attacks . Pundits attacks are so brazen you can even smell the hatred.
Why dont you attack him the way you attack Uhuru no one cares but when you start attacking GEMA masses we will call it out .
The same way we have debunked the peddled myth that No Kalenjin leaders were pro one man one shilling when they were on the forefront.
Pundit had to save face .
Also im preety sure come 2025 when the debate comes up again Kalenjin leaders will be on the forefront  singing one man one shilling .


I would say it is GEMA leaders that are paranoid. Do you hear any politician calling out Mt Kenya residents anywhere in Kenya? Even today go to Kisumu and you will find Mt Kenyans doing their biashara as usual. Let us remind you that this discussion came about due to utterances of a Kiambu MP.

Who said GEMA hates Somali ? Baseless imagination . I always say you have GEMA phobia . Its so engrained in your genes that you see them even enemies of other tribes . This are the effects of being brainwashed duting Moi era.
And dont come with that fake ass line I married a GEMA bla bla bla .
Biggest Anti GEMA politicians are married to GEMA from Raila himself with the children to Kingi etc
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: RV Pundit on April 24, 2023, 05:57:14 PM
I stand my views - and they havent changed since forever. I have to castigate the somali hatred and envy & kikuyu entitlement. You may not like it - but I am a free bird.

The success of kenya will be no one will come and say that kind of rubbish that somalis are using money to build flats - like they are only corrupt politician in kenya.



Ofcourse The politicians are trying to play populist politics just like last time with BBI too . But GEMA masses know the real deal .
They voted for Ruto even when Raila was pretending to advance their interests with one man one vote and increasing constituencies with BBI.
The anti BBI was lead by none other than Ndii and Martha Karua GEMA leaders when we asked Ruto to lay low .
Now please attack the Gatundu South Mp and leave GEMA out of the attacks . Pundits attacks are so brazen you can even smell the hatred.
Why dont you attack him the way you attack Uhuru no one cares but when you start attacking GEMA masses we will call it out .
The same way we have debunked the peddled myth that No Kalenjin leaders were pro one man one shilling when they were on the forefront.
Pundit had to save face .
Also im preety sure come 2025 when the debate comes up again Kalenjin leaders will be on the forefront  singing one man one shilling .


I would say it is GEMA leaders that are paranoid. Do you hear any politician calling out Mt Kenya residents anywhere in Kenya? Even today go to Kisumu and you will find Mt Kenyans doing their biashara as usual. Let us remind you that this discussion came about due to utterances of a Kiambu MP.

Who said GEMA hates Somali ? Baseless imagination . I always say you have GEMA phobia . Its so engrained in your genes that you see them even enemies of other tribes . This are the effects of being brainwashed duting Moi era.
And dont come with that fake ass line I married a GEMA bla bla bla .
Biggest Anti GEMA politicians are married to GEMA from Raila himself with the children to Kingi etc
Title: Re: Few kikuyu Leaders unto darkness
Post by: Kadudu on April 25, 2023, 02:25:05 PM
MP os Gatundu North, Kagombe in interview.
The man is very incoherent and never concludes an answer. He is lucky that the journalists do not seem very keen on calling him out.