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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nowayhaha on April 02, 2023, 05:59:04 PM
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He needs to avoid another handshake or else it will be his start of his end
Ruto backs down on IEBC recruitment, refers matter to Parliament
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2023-04-02-ruto-backs-down-on-iebc-recruitment-refers-matter-to-parliament/
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You didnt listen.
He has told Raila to diplomatically go to hell.
IEBC recruitment will continue.
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I urge Raila and the opposition to call off the demonstration and give bi- partisan approach for us to take Kenya forward, President William Ruto has said.
"I have carefully listened to the issues raised by my friend Raila Odinga. In times like these, it is not about who is right or who is wrong. Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak but it is also what it takes to sit down and listen," he said.
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Ruto said in the last 2 weeks, Kenya has experienced grave acts of lawlessness widespread violence, looting and invasion of private property by persons taking advantage of political demonstrations called by the opposition.
"Our country's image and history in the league of modern nations has been at stake for the last two weeks," he said.
Ruto said Kenya’s economy has been hit hard at a time when my administration is doing everything possible to salvage the economy from the deep hole where we found it.
"Three Kenyans among them a police officer lost their lives in the protest. More than 400 Kenyans including at least 60 security officers have been injured," he said.
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He is saying IEBC recruitment will be suspended
And we go for another IPPG?
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Ofcourse he is playing a political game . We know how it is played His DP and Defence Minister have said tomorrow will not be business as usual while Ruto is being presidential and playing to international gallery by portraying to be pragmatic .
Raila and his crew are also politicians based on their feedback we will know if indeed they have been engaging behind the scenes .
Mine is simple Ruto needs to avoid a handshake the same sword used against Uhuru will be used against him . A cache 22 situation but this is the reality .
You didnt listen.
He has told Raila to diplomatically go to hell.
IEBC recruitment will continue.
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Yes he is asking parliament to amend the law . When he uses the word bi-partisan he means both sides of parliament should agree upon the amended laws . This in Uhurus government was in form of Handshake .
He is saying IEBC recruitment will be suspended
And we go for another IPPG?
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IPPG is not handshake.
The IEBC recruitment law is pretty tight.
I dont know what AZIMIO want? sort of saying political parties appoint commissioners directly?
Yes he is asking parliament to amend the law . When he uses the word bi-partisan he means both sides of parliament should agree upon the amended laws . This in Uhurus government was in form of Handshake .
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Handshake will never happen.
Ruto knows he is in power principled because he opposed handshake.
What Raila can and should take is Gov Official Opposition leader - get salary, offices, prado - with two deputies.
Those will be Cabinet Level Position -- great handshake for Raila -- if he want a moron
Ofcourse he is playing a political game . We know how it is played His DP and Defence Minister have said tomorrow will not be business as usual while Ruto is being presidential and playing to international gallery by portraying to be pragmatic .
Raila and his crew are also politicians based on their feedback we will know if indeed they have been engaging behind the scenes .
Mine is simple Ruto needs to avoid a handshake the same sword used against Uhuru will be used against him . A cache 22 situation but this is the reality .
You didnt listen.
He has told Raila to diplomatically go to hell.
IEBC recruitment will continue.
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IPPG was the beginning of Co-operation snd yes Handshake is what Uhuru used in parliament to get his laws going through . You see some of us see things clear . Handshake is what got Raila 4 commissioners in IEBC who tried to rig the election .Same thing Raila is agitating for to have a share of IEBC .
IPPG is not handshake.
The IEBC recruitment law is pretty tight.
I dont know what AZIMIO want? sort of saying political parties appoint commissioners directly?
Yes he is asking parliament to amend the law . When he uses the word bi-partisan he means both sides of parliament should agree upon the amended laws . This in Uhurus government was in form of Handshake .
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Stop the lies.
IPPG happened in 1997 to appease the opposition so they could participate in 1997 whipping by Moi and legitimize his win
By then Matiba had burnt his ID and rightly said it was useless to compete with Moi.
Kibaki,Raila and even Gusii dude - Anyona benefited - Anyona appointed his brother to ECK commissioner.
Of course, Moi won in 1997.
Cooperation happened in 1999/2001.
Moi had come short of Mps needed to govern.
I think he had 100 - of 180mps then plus nominated.
He needed Raila 25 NDP mps to govern comfortably.
Ruto knows Raila and Kalonzo main grouse now is IEBC - if Ruto get all the 7 - they have no hope.
Ruto will have closed 2027 in early 2023.
So, I think he is willing to negotiate there - give them one or two commissioners.
Of course Ruto on principle want to give Raila opposition leader - where he goes to parliament - and get paid cabinet level CS/security/few prados.
Those I dont see as handshake.
Handshake is where Raila will be in gov either formally or informally.
Raila job will be to oppose gov - just like his father was official opp leader - Kibaki became for almost 10yrs - the official opp leader.
Raila has to be ready to go to parliament - and issue once in a while - opposition leader position.
I dont think that is a bad thing.
IPPG was the beginning of Co-operation snd yes Handshake is what Uhuru used in parliament to get his laws going through . You see some of us see things clear . Handshake is what got Raila 4 commissioners in IEBC who tried to rig the election .Same thing Raila is agitating for to have a share of IEBC .
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In the last two weeks, our Country has experienced grave acts of lawlessness, widespread violence, looting and invasion of private property by persons taking advantage of political demonstrations, called by the opposition.
During this period, lives have been lost, people injured, property looted or destroyed, the economy has suffered and our image as a Nation dented.
Our security agencies have endeavoured to do everything within the law to protect the lives and property of all citizens. Nevertheless, the violence, chaos and disorder continues to distract our national focus of economic transformation.
Three Kenyans, among them a police officer, have lost their lives in the protests. More than four hundred Kenyans, including at least 60 security officers have been injured. A Police vehicle was burnt to ashes, while another was hijacked and commandeered by unruly protestors. Two houses of worship were burnt down. Kiosks, supermarkets and a mortuary were looted.
Our Country’s image and history in the league of Modern Nations has been at stake. The Country’s economy has been hard hit, at a time when my administration is doing everything possible to salvage the economy from the deep hole it was in. My administration has instituted solid measures and policies to attract investors, and through their investment, create opportunities for millions of our young people to realize their potential. We cannot allow these efforts to be derailed by acts of violence, chaos and anarchy.
We all have an obligation to respect the Constitution of Kenya. This also includes respect for the institutions established and created by the Constitution. Our Country’s electoral system and process is anchored on the principles of this Constitution. The Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) conducted a free, fair and transparent General Election on 9th August 2022, a poll that was observed by different organisations; local and foreign. The Commission declared the results for all six elections conducted and any contestant who was aggrieved by the outcome, had an opportunity to present their grievances to the country’s Judicial system for arbitration.
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The Supreme Court of Kenya heard and determined with finality, the 2022 Presidential election dispute and ruled on the petitions that were filed by the aggrieved contestants and their supporters.
Nevertheless, I have carefully listened to the issues raised by Honorable Raila Odinga. In times like these, it is not about who is right or who is wrong. Like Winston Churchill said, I dare say that “courage is what it takes to stand up and speak, but it is also what it takes to sit down and listen.”
I have always been ready to engage Kenyans of all walks of life, including elected and appointed leaders from across the political divide, and the religious fraternity on how to make our country better and more prosperous. My door still remains open for honest, objective and sincere deliberations, based on the rule of law and the Constitution.
On the re-constitution of the future electoral commission, the selection panel that is currently in office is a creation of the law that was passed by the two chambers of Parliament in response to a Court decision. The Court clearly stated that one institution, in this case Parliament, cannot dominate the process of establishing an electoral commission at the expense of other institutions that have a role to play in the country’s electoral process.
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However, considering the matters raised on this particular subject, I suggest a bi-partisan engagement in Parliament on the reconstitution of the IEBC panel within the parameters of the law and the constitution.
In any case as a democrat and guided by the constitution I, on 9th December 2022, sent a memorandum to Speakers of the National Assembly and Senate, requesting for purposive intervention on Implementation of the two-thirds Gender Rule; entrenchment in the Constitution of the Constituency Development Fund (CDF), Senate Oversight and National Gender Affirmative Action funds, establishment of the position of the leader of official opposition and the improvement of Parliamentary oversight of the Executive.
The IEBC selection Panel and the future process of recruitment of its Commissioners could as well be part of a conversation leading to Constitutionally and legally binding proposals, through a bi-partisan Parliamentary process.
In these circumstances, and in view of the recent events that led to loss of lives and destruction of property I urge Hon. Raila Odinga to call off any further demonstrations.
Meanwhile, I call on all Kenyans to remain peaceful and law abiding. I assure you that the government will continue with its sacred duty of protecting lives and property.
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Im not Robina , I said IPPG was the beginning of cooperation and yes Raila even in his addresses of cooperation used to mention the same it all started with IPPG .
i will not go the robina pundit way of meandering .
Stop the lies.
IPPG happened in 1997 to appease the opposition so they could participate in 1997 whipping by Moi and legitimize his win
By then Matiba had burnt his ID and rightly said it was useless to compete with Moi.
Kibaki,Raila and even Gusii dude - Anyona benefited - Anyona appointed his brother to ECK commissioner.
Of course, Moi won in 1997.
Cooperation happened in 1999/2001.
Moi had come short of Mps needed to govern.
I think he had 100 - of 180mps then plus nominated.
He needed Raila 25 NDP mps to govern comfortably.
Ruto knows Raila and Kalonzo main grouse now is IEBC - if Ruto get all the 7 - they have no hope.
Ruto will have closed 2027 in early 2023.
So, I think he is willing to negotiate there - give them one or two commissioners.
Of course Ruto on principle want to give Raila opposition leader - where he goes to parliament - and get paid cabinet level CS/security/few prados.
Those I dont see as handshake.
Handshake is where Raila will be in gov either formally or informally.
Raila job will be to oppose gov - just like his father was official opp leader - Kibaki became for almost 10yrs - the official opp leader.
Raila has to be ready to go to parliament - and issue once in a while - opposition leader position.
I dont think that is a bad thing.
IPPG was the beginning of Co-operation snd yes Handshake is what Uhuru used in parliament to get his laws going through . You see some of us see things clear . Handshake is what got Raila 4 commissioners in IEBC who tried to rig the election .Same thing Raila is agitating for to have a share of IEBC .
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so we should accept your nonsense however false.
Im not Robina , I said IPPG was the beginning of cooperation and yes Raila even in his addresses of cooperation used to mention the same it all started with IPPG .
i will not go the robina pundit way of meandering .
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Its a fact which Raila has alluded . Question to you did IPPG continue after 1997 elections ?
so we should accept your nonsense however false.
Im not Robina , I said IPPG was the beginning of cooperation and yes Raila even in his addresses of cooperation used to mention the same it all started with IPPG .
i will not go the robina pundit way of meandering .
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It depends.
Moi agreed in 1991 to opposition demand to repeal section(2)a.
Then hold multi-party election in 1992.
Moi agreed to IPPG deal on election commission in 1997.
Moi also agreed to constitutional reforms in 2001.
Moi co-operated with Raila WITHOUT any demos or threats - in a deal brokered by Mark Too.
Moi felt he needed numbers in parliament to comfortably govern - he approached Kijana Wamalwa and Raila - Raila was quick to accept the deal.
Kibaki was forced to adopt part KANU & Ford-People into gov after he felt out with LDP in 2005.
Kibaki was forced by international mediation & reality he wasnt able to govern - even with Kalonzo Mps - to form a grand coalition - in 50-50 deal in 2007.
Uhuru in 2018 - out of the blues - did handshake with Raila - we know his intention was not to retire - but do Putin-Medved - and of course slice Ruto.
Uhuru had refused any handshake btw 2013-2017.
Now we in 2023 - Ruto has no intention of handshaking Raila.
The deal here is simple - Ruto has conceded to having few Azimio commissioners in IEBC - and Raila has accepted to be Official Leader of the Opposition.
The rest are motions that parliament will iron out.
Its a fact which Raila has alluded . Question to you did IPPG continue after 1997 elections ?
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Pundit as ive mentioned Im not Robina . Im not of going back and forth blubbering and all . As I said IPPG was the beginning of MoiRaila Co-operation .
http://www.commonlii.org/ke/other/KECKRC/2001/23.html
It was this general disillusionment that opened the way for a new type of political coalition in the name of the NCEC led by people whose main attraction was professionalism and lack of interests in holding political office. As the NCEC became an alternative centre of authority in the public mind in competition with the political class, fear spread across the political spectrum. To reclaim leadership lost to the NCEC, the political class created a new coalition aimed at undermining the NCEC. This was the IPPG set of resolutions that were hurriedly lumped together to enable the politicians to hold on to their followers as they went into the 1997 election. What the NCEC coalition did was to force Moi to seek a new coalition within the political class in order to maintain authority in the eyes of the public.
The IPPG was therefore not a genuine thing, simply a patchwork that could not last but one that succeeded in diverting attention and enabled Moi to go ahead and win the 1997 general election after which a more systematic political coalition with selected political parties could be organised. Two opposition parties were competing to be co-opted into the KANU web. These were FORD-Kenya, led by Kijana Wamalwa and NDP led by Raila Odinga. Wamalwa had been Jaramogi's deputy but Raila had been Jaramogi's biological son and they were competing to continue with Jaramogi's cooperation with Moi. Moi's pleasant problem was to decide which of these two he should favour and he leaned on Raila. A new, more intense and serious political coalition developed through which NDP could be trusted to defend and promote the KANU agenda while claiming to be an opposition party. There were numerous little rewards for this cooperation including the post of Deputy Speaker, appointments to assorted offices, and accompanying the president in various local and foreign trips. The big reward was the appointment of Raila into the cabinet so that he can articulate government policies with some stamp of authority.
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Upuzi thats why I call you an entertainer …….
It depends.
Moi agreed in 1991 to opposition demand to repeal section(2)a.
Then hold multi-party election in 1992.
Moi agreed to IPPG deal on election commission in 1997.
Moi also agreed to constitutional reforms in 2001.
Moi co-operated with Raila WITHOUT any demos or threats - in a deal brokered by Mark Too.
Moi felt he needed numbers in parliament to comfortably govern - he approached Kijana Wamalwa and Raila - Raila was quick to accept the deal.
Kibaki was forced to adopt part KANU & Ford-People into gov after he felt out with LDP in 2005.
Kibaki was forced by international mediation & reality he wasnt able to govern - even with Kalonzo Mps - to form a grand coalition - in 50-50 deal in 2007.
Uhuru in 2018 - out of the blues - did handshake with Raila - we know his intention was not to retire - but do Putin-Medved - and of course slice Ruto.
Uhuru had refused any handshake btw 2013-2017.
Now we in 2023 - Ruto has no intention of handshaking Raila.
The deal here is simple - Ruto has conceded to having few Azimio commissioners in IEBC - and Raila has accepted to be Official Leader of the Opposition.
The rest are motions that parliament will iron out.
Its a fact which Raila has alluded . Question to you did IPPG continue after 1997 elections ?
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You're an idiot researching.
Robina is better than you - because she was genuinely ignorant.
These things unlike you I know - because I have a gigantic memory.
Now you've google - then comeback - and try string an coherent argument.
Forget it. You cannot debate me on these political stuff.
Pundit as ive mentioned Im not Robina . Im not of going back and forth blubbering and all . As I said IPPG was the beginning of MoiRaila Co-operation .
http://www.commonlii.org/ke/other/KECKRC/2001/23.html
It was this general disillusionment that opened the way for a new type of political coalition in the name of the NCEC led by people whose main attraction was professionalism and lack of interests in holding political office. As the NCEC became an alternative centre of authority in the public mind in competition with the political class, fear spread across the political spectrum. To reclaim leadership lost to the NCEC, the political class created a new coalition aimed at undermining the NCEC. This was the IPPG set of resolutions that were hurriedly lumped together to enable the politicians to hold on to their followers as they went into the 1997 election. What the NCEC coalition did was to force Moi to seek a new coalition within the political class in order to maintain authority in the eyes of the public.
The IPPG was therefore not a genuine thing, simply a patchwork that could not last but one that succeeded in diverting attention and enabled Moi to go ahead and win the 1997 general election after which a more systematic political coalition with selected political parties could be organised. Two opposition parties were competing to be co-opted into the KANU web. These were FORD-Kenya, led by Kijana Wamalwa and NDP led by Raila Odinga. Wamalwa had been Jaramogi's deputy but Raila had been Jaramogi's biological son and they were competing to continue with Jaramogi's cooperation with Moi. Moi's pleasant problem was to decide which of these two he should favour and he leaned on Raila. A new, more intense and serious political coalition developed through which NDP could be trusted to defend and promote the KANU agenda while claiming to be an opposition party. There were numerous little rewards for this cooperation including the post of Deputy Speaker, appointments to assorted offices, and accompanying the president in various local and foreign trips. The big reward was the appointment of Raila into the cabinet so that he can articulate government policies with some stamp of authority.
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Unalia sana; Which part of what I wrote is Upuzi - ubwa wewe.
Upuzi thats why I call you an entertainer …….
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I dont google and go like you do . You like twisting things .
My point which is valid is the IPPg was the beginning of Moi Raila Cooperation .
Ive quoted the below so as it can showcase that fact . Im not Robina I who you can brag on that you were reading newspapers then.
First you never respect history always revising it . Your attempt of rewriting history to fit your argument is what Ive called Upuzi and Upuzi it is .
You're an idiot researching.
Robina is better than you - because she was genuinely ignorant.
These things unlike you I know - because I have a gigantic memory.
Now you've google - then comeback - and try string an coherent argument.
Forget it. You cannot debate me on these political stuff.
Pundit as ive mentioned Im not Robina . Im not of going back and forth blubbering and all . As I said IPPG was the beginning of MoiRaila Co-operation .
http://www.commonlii.org/ke/other/KECKRC/2001/23.html
It was this general disillusionment that opened the way for a new type of political coalition in the name of the NCEC led by people whose main attraction was professionalism and lack of interests in holding political office. As the NCEC became an alternative centre of authority in the public mind in competition with the political class, fear spread across the political spectrum. To reclaim leadership lost to the NCEC, the political class created a new coalition aimed at undermining the NCEC. This was the IPPG set of resolutions that were hurriedly lumped together to enable the politicians to hold on to their followers as they went into the 1997 election. What the NCEC coalition did was to force Moi to seek a new coalition within the political class in order to maintain authority in the eyes of the public.
The IPPG was therefore not a genuine thing, simply a patchwork that could not last but one that succeeded in diverting attention and enabled Moi to go ahead and win the 1997 general election after which a more systematic political coalition with selected political parties could be organised. Two opposition parties were competing to be co-opted into the KANU web. These were FORD-Kenya, led by Kijana Wamalwa and NDP led by Raila Odinga. Wamalwa had been Jaramogi's deputy but Raila had been Jaramogi's biological son and they were competing to continue with Jaramogi's cooperation with Moi. Moi's pleasant problem was to decide which of these two he should favour and he leaned on Raila. A new, more intense and serious political coalition developed through which NDP could be trusted to defend and promote the KANU agenda while claiming to be an opposition party. There were numerous little rewards for this cooperation including the post of Deputy Speaker, appointments to assorted offices, and accompanying the president in various local and foreign trips. The big reward was the appointment of Raila into the cabinet so that he can articulate government policies with some stamp of authority.
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How Moron when IPPG was for Entire Opposition.
Moi made several concessions in 1990s - including dissolving special branch.
Repeal public order act - chief act - demos - name them.
Mostly due to pressure from West - as kenya needed their money.
IPPG was not a cooperation.
It one of those concession moi accepted from opposition.
Anyona led the IPPG process - while Raila was opposed to it. If I recall IPPG was led by small parties - eventually big parties accepted to contribute commissioners
After 1998 election - Raila & Kijana were approached for co-operation deal.
Where is the Nexus btw the two.
I dont google and go like you do . You like twisting things .
My point which is valid is the IPPg was the beginning of Moi Raila Cooperation .
Ive quoted the below so as it can showcase that fact . Im not Robina I who you can brag on that you were reading newspapers then.
First you never respect history always revising it . Your attempt of rewriting history to fit your argument is what Ive called Upuzi and Upuzi it is .
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Ruto is not accomodating Raila views. Raila views are to be inside government and nusu mkate. What he is saying are just fillers!
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Yes moron - as I head to dinner. Read this carefully. Raila was opposed to IPPG - he was pursuing constitutional reforms with other hardliners. KANU approached small parties led by Anyona to do IPPG - minimal reforms
This he did through setting up the Inter-Parties Parliamentary Group (IPPG), a KANU platform which had been designed to blunt the impact of the reform agenda of
the opposition and its allies in the National Convention Council. The Convention's
Executive Committee saw this as a means "to cool the fire raised by the NCEC action and by the demands of the country for electoral reform, and in the process to legitimise
the Moi re-election machine,"6 a feat that President Moi achieved with remarkable success.On the surface, the IPPG achieved a remarkable breakthrough: the Constitution was amended by the National Assembly in October and November 1 997 so as to render the country a de jure multiparty democracy; the Public Order Act (Cap 56) was amended to
facilitate freedom of assembly; section 33 of the Constitution was amended so that nominated members of Parliament (MPs) are proposed on a pro rata basis by all parliamentary parties with a minimum of seven MPs. More important, the electoral process was supposedly delinked from the state apparatuses:
• The Electoral Commission (EC) was mandated to manage the campaign
process without interference by the provincial administration.
• The EC was to have powers to hire prosecutors to expedite the process
of election petition.
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http://www.commonlii.org/ke/other/KECKRC/2001/23.html
It was this general disillusionment that opened the way for a new type of political coalition in the name of the NCEC led by people whose main attraction was professionalism and lack of interests in holding political office. As the NCEC became an alternative centre of authority in the public mind in competition with the political class, fear spread across the political spectrum. To reclaim leadership lost to the NCEC, the political class created a new coalition aimed at undermining the NCEC. This was the IPPG set of resolutions that were hurriedly lumped together to enable the politicians to hold on to their followers as they went into the 1997 election. What the NCEC coalition did was to force Moi to seek a new coalition within the political class in order to maintain authority in the eyes of the public.
The IPPG was therefore not a genuine thing, simply a patchwork that could not last but one that succeeded in diverting attention and enabled Moi to go ahead and win the 1997 general election after which a more systematic political coalition with selected political parties could be organised. Two opposition parties were competing to be co-opted into the KANU web. These were FORD-Kenya, led by Kijana Wamalwa and NDP led by Raila Odinga. Wamalwa had been Jaramogi's deputy but Raila had been Jaramogi's biological son and they were competing to continue with Jaramogi's cooperation with Moi. Moi's pleasant problem was to decide which of these two he should favour and he leaned on Raila. A new, more intense and serious political coalition developed through which NDP could be trusted to defend and promote the KANU agenda while claiming to be an opposition party. There were numerous little rewards for this cooperation including the post of Deputy Speaker, appointments to assorted offices, and accompanying the president in various local and foreign trips. The big reward was the appointment of Raila into the cabinet so that he can articulate government policies with some stamp of authority
How Moron when IPPG was for Entire Opposition.
Moi made several concessions in 1990s - including dissolving special branch.
Repeal public order act - chief act - demos - name them.
Mostly due to pressure from West - as kenya needed their money.
IPPG was not a cooperation.
It one of those concession moi accepted from opposition.
Anyona led the IPPG process - while Raila was opposed to it. If I recall IPPG was led by small parties - eventually big parties accepted to contribute commissioners
After 1998 election - Raila & Kijana were approached for co-operation deal.
Where is the Nexus btw the two.
I dont google and go like you do . You like twisting things .
My point which is valid is the IPPg was the beginning of Moi Raila Cooperation .
Ive quoted the below so as it can showcase that fact . Im not Robina I who you can brag on that you were reading newspapers then.
First you never respect history always revising it . Your attempt of rewriting history to fit your argument is what Ive called Upuzi and Upuzi it is .
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Upuzi ………
Yes moron - as I head to dinner. Read this carefully. Raila was opposed to IPPG - he was pursuing constitutional reforms with other hardliners. KANU approached small parties led by Anyona to do IPPG - minimal reforms
This he did through setting up the Inter-Parties Parliamentary Group (IPPG), a KANU platform which had been designed to blunt the impact of the reform agenda of
the opposition and its allies in the National Convention Council. The Convention's
Executive Committee saw this as a means "to cool the fire raised by the NCEC action and by the demands of the country for electoral reform, and in the process to legitimise
the Moi re-election machine,"6 a feat that President Moi achieved with remarkable success.On the surface, the IPPG achieved a remarkable breakthrough: the Constitution was amended by the National Assembly in October and November 1 997 so as to render the country a de jure multiparty democracy; the Public Order Act (Cap 56) was amended to
facilitate freedom of assembly; section 33 of the Constitution was amended so that nominated members of Parliament (MPs) are proposed on a pro rata basis by all parliamentary parties with a minimum of seven MPs. More important, the electoral process was supposedly delinked from the state apparatuses:
• The Electoral Commission (EC) was mandated to manage the campaign
process without interference by the provincial administration.
• The EC was to have powers to hire prosecutors to expedite the process
of election petition.
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They two are NOT related.
Co-operation was totally different from IPPG
Opposition led by Raila & Kibaki wanted constitutional reforms - overhaul constitution.
Moi short-circuited them with help of small parties led by Anyona pursued - minimal reforms - through inter-party parliament process.
Eventually these were passed by parliament.
This what Ruto is proposing - IPPG like process. NOT Co-operation.
Outcome will be change of laws - mostly on recruiting IEBC and of course Ruto constitutional amendments.
Outcome of cooperation is being co-opted into gov.
How THICK HEADED ARE YOU
http://www.commonlii.org/ke/other/KECKRC/2001/23.html
It was this general disillusionment that opened the way for a new type of political coalition in the name of the NCEC led by people whose main attraction was professionalism and lack of interests in holding political office. As the NCEC became an alternative centre of authority in the public mind in competition with the political class, fear spread across the political spectrum. To reclaim leadership lost to the NCEC, the political class created a new coalition aimed at undermining the NCEC. This was the IPPG set of resolutions that were hurriedly lumped together to enable the politicians to hold on to their followers as they went into the 1997 election. What the NCEC coalition did was to force Moi to seek a new coalition within the political class in order to maintain authority in the eyes of the public.
The IPPG was therefore not a genuine thing, simply a patchwork that could not last but one that succeeded in diverting attention and enabled Moi to go ahead and win the 1997 general election after which a more systematic political coalition with selected political parties could be organised. Two opposition parties were competing to be co-opted into the KANU web. These were FORD-Kenya, led by Kijana Wamalwa and NDP led by Raila Odinga. Wamalwa had been Jaramogi's deputy but Raila had been Jaramogi's biological son and they were competing to continue with Jaramogi's cooperation with Moi. Moi's pleasant problem was to decide which of these two he should favour and he leaned on Raila. A new, more intense and serious political coalition developed through which NDP could be trusted to defend and promote the KANU agenda while claiming to be an opposition party. There were numerous little rewards for this cooperation including the post of Deputy Speaker, appointments to assorted offices, and accompanying the president in various local and foreign trips. The big reward was the appointment of Raila into the cabinet so that he can articulate government policies with some stamp of authority
How Moron when IPPG was for Entire Opposition.
Moi made several concessions in 1990s - including dissolving special branch.
Repeal public order act - chief act - demos - name them.
Mostly due to pressure from West - as kenya needed their money.
IPPG was not a cooperation.
It one of those concession moi accepted from opposition.
Anyona led the IPPG process - while Raila was opposed to it. If I recall IPPG was led by small parties - eventually big parties accepted to contribute commissioners
After 1998 election - Raila & Kijana were approached for co-operation deal.
Where is the Nexus btw the two.
I dont google and go like you do . You like twisting things .
My point which is valid is the IPPg was the beginning of Moi Raila Cooperation .
Ive quoted the below so as it can showcase that fact . Im not Robina I who you can brag on that you were reading newspapers then.
First you never respect history always revising it . Your attempt of rewriting history to fit your argument is what Ive called Upuzi and Upuzi it is .
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Exactly what I said at the beginning, Ruto should not accept a Handshake . He can take Raila to a wild goose chase but he shouldnt accept a handshake . Majority of Kenya kwanza youth are baying for Uhurus blood because of the handshake . I was pleasantly suprised the hate of Uhuru is so entrenched in GEMAs youth that another handshake will just be a bitter pill to swallow for them.
Having said that the pipe dream of Ruto alienating GEMA in hopes he can acquire Luo Nyanza has just gone through the drains .
If Ruto attempts that he will receive the same backlash Uhuru receive after the handshake .
Ruto is not accomodating Raila views. Raila views are to be inside government and nusu mkate. What he is saying are just fillers!
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Upuzi they are related . Moi started the cooperation ( that name started just a few months before Odingas demise) with Odinga even before his start of cooperation with Raila which started with IPPG.
Raila inherited Odingas advisors and influenced him to start another cooperation with Moi .
This one too i know you will try to twist .
This Upuzi utawacha…… you cannot revise history…….
They two are NOT related.
Co-operation was totally different from IPPG
Opposition led by Raila & Kibaki wanted constitutional reforms - overhaul constitution.
Moi short-circuited them with help of small parties led by Anyona pursued - minimal reforms - through inter-party parliament process.
Eventually these were passed by parliament.
This what Ruto is proposing - IPPG like process. NOT Co-operation.
Outcome will be change of laws - mostly on recruiting IEBC and of course Ruto constitutional amendments.
Outcome of cooperation is being co-opted into gov.
How THICK HEADED ARE YOU
http://www.commonlii.org/ke/other/KECKRC/2001/23.html
It was this general disillusionment that opened the way for a new type of political coalition in the name of the NCEC led by people whose main attraction was professionalism and lack of interests in holding political office. As the NCEC became an alternative centre of authority in the public mind in competition with the political class, fear spread across the political spectrum. To reclaim leadership lost to the NCEC, the political class created a new coalition aimed at undermining the NCEC. This was the IPPG set of resolutions that were hurriedly lumped together to enable the politicians to hold on to their followers as they went into the 1997 election. What the NCEC coalition did was to force Moi to seek a new coalition within the political class in order to maintain authority in the eyes of the public.
The IPPG was therefore not a genuine thing, simply a patchwork that could not last but one that succeeded in diverting attention and enabled Moi to go ahead and win the 1997 general election after which a more systematic political coalition with selected political parties could be organised. Two opposition parties were competing to be co-opted into the KANU web. These were FORD-Kenya, led by Kijana Wamalwa and NDP led by Raila Odinga. Wamalwa had been Jaramogi's deputy but Raila had been Jaramogi's biological son and they were competing to continue with Jaramogi's cooperation with Moi. Moi's pleasant problem was to decide which of these two he should favour and he leaned on Raila. A new, more intense and serious political coalition developed through which NDP could be trusted to defend and promote the KANU agenda while claiming to be an opposition party. There were numerous little rewards for this cooperation including the post of Deputy Speaker, appointments to assorted offices, and accompanying the president in various local and foreign trips. The big reward was the appointment of Raila into the cabinet so that he can articulate government policies with some stamp of authority
How Moron when IPPG was for Entire Opposition.
Moi made several concessions in 1990s - including dissolving special branch.
Repeal public order act - chief act - demos - name them.
Mostly due to pressure from West - as kenya needed their money.
IPPG was not a cooperation.
It one of those concession moi accepted from opposition.
Anyona led the IPPG process - while Raila was opposed to it. If I recall IPPG was led by small parties - eventually big parties accepted to contribute commissioners
After 1998 election - Raila & Kijana were approached for co-operation deal.
Where is the Nexus btw the two.
I dont google and go like you do . You like twisting things .
My point which is valid is the IPPg was the beginning of Moi Raila Cooperation .
Ive quoted the below so as it can showcase that fact . Im not Robina I who you can brag on that you were reading newspapers then.
First you never respect history always revising it . Your attempt of rewriting history to fit your argument is what Ive called Upuzi and Upuzi it is .
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ODM leader Raila Odinga has listed conditions even as he readies himself for a dialogue with President William Ruto.
The ODM leader on Sunday called off the mass protests in a move he said reciprocated President Ruto's gesture.
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But even as he showed commitment to dialogue, Raila warned that the demos might resume after a week if no meaningful progress is made in the next week.
Among the conditions, Raila wants to consider is the release of those arrested as a result of holding peaceful protests as well as the ending of court cases facing Azimio supporters over their peaceful protests.
'In accepting the call for dialogue, we ask that all arrests and prosecutions related to our demonstrations be stopped with immediate effect," he said.
At the same time, Raila said discussions on issues raised should fasten and begin as quickly as possible.
"We agree that a balanced parliamentary process co-chaired by both sides and backed by experts from outside should proceed," he noted.
"In our view, this committee must be composed with immediate effect with strict deadlines for resolving the crisis facing the country."
At the same time, Raila also reiterated that the four commissioners who resigned and kicked out of the office to be reinstated.
"We do not want to see the 4 commissioners who had said no to be sacrificed. We want those commissioners to be reinstated so that we can be able to move in as a country in one and a united way," he said.
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The demand are nonsense. Raila should allow parliamentary constitution ammendments as proposed by Ruto.Pass them and get job to be official opposition leader...try to get few prados and outriders.Try to get one or two cherror in IEBC. That will be a good deal.
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Exactly what I said at the beginning, Ruto should not accept a Handshake . He can take Raila to a wild goose chase but he shouldnt accept a handshake . Majority of Kenya kwanza youth are baying for Uhurus blood because of the handshake . I was pleasantly suprised the hate of Uhuru is so entrenched in GEMAs youth that another handshake will just be a bitter pill to swallow for them.
Having said that the pipe dream of Ruto alienating GEMA in hopes he can acquire Luo Nyanza has just gone through the drains .
If Ruto attempts that he will receive the same backlash Uhuru receive after the handshake .
Ruto is not accomodating Raila views. Raila views are to be inside government and nusu mkate. What he is saying are just fillers!
You're scared of things that will never happen...Handshake is almost betraying everyone who voted Ruto..it will never happen..but its foolish to totally refuse to talk on some issues.Ruto can talk as long as handshake is out of question.
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Ruto never had a landslide like Kibaki did in 92.
Neither did Kenyatta.
We need a Kenya for Kenyans not the well off.
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This kind of handshake thinking is what is making leaders get together and steal instead of the winner implementing his Manifesto ……
Ruto never had a landslide like Kibaki did in 92.
Neither did Kenyatta.
We need a Kenya for Kenyans not the well off.