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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on April 12, 2022, 02:40:11 PM
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Those Luhyas who want to disown Sakaja should know people.
Wamalwa father was - William Chemayek Ngeywo - mother Bukusu
Sakaja father is a Sabaot - I remember in 2012 we were with my uncle who worked in statehouse PPS & lived in Milimani- and I dont know how sakaja name came up - but he told us Sakaja father was his friend - a sabaot- and he owned a bar in Land Mawe.
https://www.theelephant.info/features/2019/03/14/not-my-brothers-keeper-forces-that-have-kept-the-luyia-people-apart/
Another leader who earned respect across the Luyia community was the late Michael Christopher Kijana Wamalwa. Though raised a Bukusu, his roots can be traced to the Sabaot. Wamalwa’s father, Senator William Chemayek Ngeywo, was a Sabaot who changed his name to Wamalwa to get a missionary education as the Sabaot suffered discrimination in those days. (“Chemayek” in the Sabaot and indeed Kalenjin language is “alcohol” and its equivalent in naming is “Wamalwa” in Lu-bukusu.) Michael’s mother, Esther Nekesa, however, was a Bukusu from the Baengele clan. His Sabaot roots did not matter as he was raised Bukusu, underscoring that the Luyia nation is a confluence of Kalenjin, Maasai, Luo and Bantu ethnicities
Read more at: https://www.theelephant.info/features/2019/03/14/not-my-brothers-keeper-forces-that-have-kept-the-luyia-people-apart/
The Elephant - Speaking truth to power.
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Kenya tribes are skin deep. RVHH can tell you that William Ruto has some Gusii or Kuria roots.
DP William Ruto’s father Daniel Samoei Kipruto araap Cheruiyot was born in 1914 in Kericho, to Mzee Cheruiyot araap Chumba who later moved to Ziwa in Nandi in the late 1960s.
DPs grandfather was named Cheruiyot araap Chumba who was the son of Maruri araap Cheruto.
Cheruto araap Maina was the son of Maina araap Chibweri who was the son of Chibweri the brother of Wareko.
Wareko was the grandfather of Sato (hence Kapsato of Nandi).
Raila is mluhya.
Uhuru has Maasai roots.
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Hapo kwa Raila I agree,nabongo
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While you are at it, inform us on Miguna's roots. :D :D :D
Kenya tribes are skin deep. RVHH can tell you that William Ruto has some Gusii or Kuria roots.
DP William Ruto’s father Daniel Samoei Kipruto araap Cheruiyot was born in 1914 in Kericho, to Mzee Cheruiyot araap Chumba who later moved to Ziwa in Nandi in the late 1960s.
DPs grandfather was named Cheruiyot araap Chumba who was the son of Maruri araap Cheruto.
Cheruto araap Maina was the son of Maina araap Chibweri who was the son of Chibweri the brother of Wareko.
Wareko was the grandfather of Sato (hence Kapsato of Nandi).
Raila is mluhya.
Uhuru has Maasai roots.
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Coming from Kano..he could have Nandi or massai or even gusii blood.. nobody is pure breed in Kenya
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Kenya tribes are skin deep. RVHH can tell you that William Ruto has some Gusii or Kuria roots.
DP William Ruto’s father Daniel Samoei Kipruto araap Cheruiyot was born in 1914 in Kericho, to Mzee Cheruiyot araap Chumba who later moved to Ziwa in Nandi in the late 1960s.
DPs grandfather was named Cheruiyot araap Chumba who was the son of Maruri araap Cheruto.
Cheruto araap Maina was the son of Maina araap Chibweri who was the son of Chibweri the brother of Wareko.
Wareko was the grandfather of Sato (hence Kapsato of Nandi).
Raila is mluhya.
Uhuru has Maasai roots.
With DP, you can go even further! Chibweri's other two brother were Kisiara and Muinoni. Those brothers married many wives and are the spread all over Nyamira and Kisii counties.
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Yes the clan komosik in kipsigis or kapsato in nandi is of Gusii heritage..abamosige clan
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Coming from Kano..he could have Nandi or massai or even gusii blood.. nobody is pure breed in Kenya
Yes. Because Kenya is in region that is something of a melting pot of Africans. That said, groups still generally have their cores. Kalenjin are mostly Nilotes, Luhya and Kikuyu mostly Bantu. Coming from Kano..he could have Nandi or massai or even gusii blood.. nobody is pure breed in Kenya
Nandi or Maasai is a stretch. He has the broad features I would typically associate with Luhyas. I know Luhyas that look like the dude including size, minus the cantankerous behavior.
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Gusii n luhya were on tribe until split by Luos.Hiyo hasira ni ya mkisii.Luhyas are gentle.The split really was on that Kano or nyado plains.. Luos like maasai generally adopted large sections of bantus
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It's true about this dilution. My family is Gusii but it is well known that technically, we might be up to 50% Kalenjin, from both my mother's and father's lines. We also have substantial Luo blood. So, strictly speaking, if DNA was done, we might not get back a result that identifies us as mostly Gusii. Tis very strange. Our hair . . . has a bit of almost cushitic element going. I'm sure we don't have any cushitic mix, so I tend to assume it's from some Kalenjin ancestor.
Though I discovered last month we also border Maasai and quite a bit of intermarriage has occurred, so who knows? But hiyo ya Maasai ni guesswork. Hii ya Kakenjin and Luo is well known history from not too far back (grandparents and great grandparents, and great great grandparents) Almost all this Kalenjin and Luo blood came from what might be considered today human/child trafficking.
Another thing (also my speculation/guesswork) I think we have some Pygmy admixture in our ancestry. A substantial number of us are rather small/short. One of these days, I'll get all of us to take one of those ancestry DNA tests that are so popular these days.
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It's true about this dilution. My family is Gusii but it is well known that technically, we might be up to 50% Kalenjin, from both my mother's and father's lines. We also have substantial Luo blood. So, strictly speaking, if DNA was done, we might not get back a result that identifies us as mostly Gusii. Tis very strange. Our hair . . . has a bit of almost cushitic element going. I'm sure we don't have any cushitic mix, so I tend to assume it's from some Kalenjin ancestor.
Though I discovered last month we also border Maasai and quite a bit of intermarriage has occurred, so who knows? But hiyo ya Maasai ni guesswork. Hii ya Kakenjin and Luo is well known history from not too far back (grandparents and great grandparents, and great great grandparents) Almost all this Kalenjin and Luo blood came from what might be considered today human/child trafficking.
Another thing (also my speculation/guesswork) I think we have some Pygmy admixture in our ancestry. A substantial number of us are rather small/short. One of these days, I'll get all of us to take one of those ancestry DNA tests that are so popular these days.
Those tests can't identify which ethnicity you are. They can tell you the general region where most of your DNA comes from, the average Kenyan DNA being lumped with Uganda, Congo, TZ, Rwanda, Burundi. Given what you describe, you would be an interesting case for a test with more fine grained distinctions, which unfortunately, these guys(at least 23andme as far as I can tell) simply do not make.
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Gusii n luhya were on tribe until split by Luos.Hiyo hasira ni ya mkisii.Luhyas are gentle.The split really was on that Kano or nyado plains.. Luos like maasai generally adopted large sections of bantus
Cut off, isolated and denied strategic depth I think. Yes, they are part of the larger Great Lakes Bantu(really Ugandan and Eastern Congo Bantu).
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Regardless of tribe Sakaja is a flawed candidate for Nairobi governorship. Nairobi UDA chapter is a joke Sakaja, Governor, The glory is here, senator then the bed sheets seller, women rep...this is a joke.
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It's true about this dilution. My family is Gusii but it is well known that technically, we might be up to 50% Kalenjin, from both my mother's and father's lines. We also have substantial Luo blood. So, strictly speaking, if DNA was done, we might not get back a result that identifies us as mostly Gusii. Tis very strange. Our hair . . . has a bit of almost cushitic element going. I'm sure we don't have any cushitic mix, so I tend to assume it's from some Kalenjin ancestor.
Though I discovered last month we also border Maasai and quite a bit of intermarriage has occurred, so who knows? But hiyo ya Maasai ni guesswork. Hii ya Kakenjin and Luo is well known history from not too far back (grandparents and great grandparents, and great great grandparents) Almost all this Kalenjin and Luo blood came from what might be considered today human/child trafficking.
Another thing (also my speculation/guesswork) I think we have some Pygmy admixture in our ancestry. A substantial number of us are rather small/short. One of these days, I'll get all of us to take one of those ancestry DNA tests that are so popular these days.
Those tests can't identify which ethnicity you are. They can tell you the general region where most of your DNA comes from, the average Kenyan DNA being lumped with Uganda, Congo, TZ, Rwanda, Burundi. Given what you describe, you would be an interesting case for a test with more fine grained distinctions, which unfortunately, these guys(at least 23andme as far as I can tell) simply do not make.
He doesn't have to get tests from 23 and me, African Ancestry is fine.
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Regardless of tribe Sakaja is a flawed candidate for Nairobi governorship. Nairobi UDA chapter is a joke Sakaja, Governor, The glory is here, senator then the bed sheets seller, women rep...this is a joke.
But you support UDA. Have you not learned anything from those who voted Jubilee 3 times and now they are making annoying statements and noise here and everywhere how bad and inept Uhuru has been at the helm for 10 years. We are completing the journey. What will be different should WSR ascend to presidency is that the next journey will not be 10 years but 30 years. We will also complete that journey, this time with a "Life President".
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Yes kipsigis-gusii - way too much admixture.The same with Maasai. It almost rare to find Kalenjin-Luo admixture - because of cultural difference.
It's true about this dilution. My family is Gusii but it is well known that technically, we might be up to 50% Kalenjin, from both my mother's and father's lines. We also have substantial Luo blood. So, strictly speaking, if DNA was done, we might not get back a result that identifies us as mostly Gusii. Tis very strange. Our hair . . . has a bit of almost cushitic element going. I'm sure we don't have any cushitic mix, so I tend to assume it's from some Kalenjin ancestor.
Though I discovered last month we also border Maasai and quite a bit of intermarriage has occurred, so who knows? But hiyo ya Maasai ni guesswork. Hii ya Kakenjin and Luo is well known history from not too far back (grandparents and great grandparents, and great great grandparents) Almost all this Kalenjin and Luo blood came from what might be considered today human/child trafficking.
Another thing (also my speculation/guesswork) I think we have some Pygmy admixture in our ancestry. A substantial number of us are rather small/short. One of these days, I'll get all of us to take one of those ancestry DNA tests that are so popular these days.
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I remember us pursuing the hypothesis that there is/was no such homogenous tribe like Kikuyu.
Maasai bloodline is probably the most dominant reason why Pygmies- gumba, athi, ndorobo became taller and became kikuyus.
Most of the kikuyus in places like Kihara, Gachie, Lower Muranga are pure kambas with a few having ndorobo bloodline.
Currently intermarriages between Kikuyus and luos/luhyas is changing the complexion of the lake region.
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ufool and his fake brother have made nonsense of devolution. They are for centralization. As it stands, governors cannot do much without a visionary and a president bent on serious decentralisation.
All indications are ruto is for strengthening institutions. Given the irony that the sugoi hotshot has benefitted from institutions, he can decide to feed or kill them. This will be determined by the extent he goes to destroy the current dynastic state capture. I bet to secure more pockets of support across the country and his survival post presidency, he will have to support devolution; commissions independence; fewer strong parastatals maybe.
Regardless of tribe Sakaja is a flawed candidate for Nairobi governorship. Nairobi UDA chapter is a joke Sakaja, Governor, The glory is here, senator then the bed sheets seller, women rep...this is a joke.
But you support UDA. Have you not learned anything from those who voted Jubilee 3 times and now they are making annoying statements and noise here and everywhere how bad and inept Uhuru has been at the helm for 10 years. We are completing the journey. What will be different should WSR ascend to presidency is that the next journey will not be 10 years but 30 years. We will also complete that journey, this time with a "Life President".