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Title: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on January 29, 2020, 04:29:07 PM
We will have more of this as long as Kung Fu eat everything that moves
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Georgesoros on January 31, 2020, 08:31:16 PM
Unfortunately its not the food rather changes in climate. You see some of the virus have been coverred either by permafrost or forests. As these die, these virus have to find a home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 02, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
Zerohedge suggests,with more than speculation, that this virus was created in the lab.


https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 02, 2020, 10:19:37 PM
Zerohedge suggests,with more than speculation, that this virus was created in the lab.


https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic (https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic)


Color me skeptical.  None of these folks seem to know what they are talking about.  Three blind men and an elephant.

I found this picture "suggesting the source" hilarious. 

(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/wuhan%20food%20market.png?itok=fYnLPWnl)

That is virtually any market in any developing country.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: MOON Ki on February 03, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
Maybe this will add more juice to yet another "deadly virus escapes top-secret government-funded laboratory!, humans at risk!" story.   Maybe the virus wasn't created in China.   Supposedly, Chinese spies stole the virus in Canada.   

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Conspiracy theories also abound. A CBC News report about the Canadian government deporting Chinese scientists who worked in a Winnipeg lab that studies dangerous pathogens was distorted on social media to suggest that they were spies who had smuggled out coronaviruses.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/mining-coronavirus-genomes-clues-outbreak-s-origins

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The recent outbreak of a new and potentially deadly coronavirus in China has, unsurprisingly, kicked off a deluge of misinformation and conspiracy theories … That hasn’t stopped an outbreak of nonsense and conspiracy theories. On Sunday, the Washington Times  —  a paper with a distinct ideological bent — published an article claiming that the virus’ outbreak could be linked to a military lab in Wuhan. 
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-china-lab-mortality-virology-wuhan-virus-not-bioweapon

Or maybe it escaped from the UK, from a "top-secret" lab funded by Bill Gates (who apparently masquerades as a do-gooder).   Yes, even Bill Gates has been dragged in and flayed.  He has given substantial funding to the allegedly secretive Pirbright Institute, which plays around with such viruses.    The institute has been forced to issue a statement:

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The Pirbright Institute is aware that misinformation regarding the Institute and its research is circulating on social media following an outbreak of a new (novel) coronavirus that infects humans in Wuhan, China. These are the facts regarding our coronavirus research and funding.

The Pirbright Institute carries out research on infectious bronchitis virus (IBV), a coronavirus that infects poultry, and porcine delta coronavirus that infects pigs. Pirbright does not currently work with human coronaviruses.

The Institute holds Patent no. 10130701 which covers the development of an attenuated (weakened) form of the coronavirus that could potentially be used as a vaccine to prevent respiratory diseases in birds and other animals. Many vaccines are made in this way, from flu to polio. We have not yet developed an IBV vaccine, but research is ongoing.

The Institute is strategically funded by the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council, part of UK Research and Innovation (BBSRC UKRI) and also receives funding from many other organisations including the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. The patented work was not funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
https://www.pirbright.ac.uk/news/2020/01/pirbright’s-livestock-coronavirus-research-–-your-questions-answered
(See pirbright’s-livestock-coronavirus-research-–-your-questions-answered)

bitmask: Indeed.   I doubt that anyone who has actually spent time in China would be peddling such stories.   From my observations, given the tendency to eat anything that can be chewed combined the astonishingly filthy food markets and unhygienic handling of food in quite a few places in China, the only surprise here is that this sort of thing isn't happening all the time.

Better get your mask and tinfoil suit ready.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 06, 2020, 12:46:39 PM
Suggestions from various quarters that Kung Fu is fudging numbers
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/did-chinas-tencent-accidentally-leak-true-terrifying-coronavirus-statistics

I also watched ABC News and a scientist said as much.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 06, 2020, 12:47:30 PM
Zerohedge suggests,with more than speculation, that this virus was created in the lab.


https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic (https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic)


Color me skeptical.  None of these folks seem to know what they are talking about.  Three blind men and an elephant.

I found this picture "suggesting the source" hilarious. 

(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/wuhan%20food%20market.png?itok=fYnLPWnl)

That is virtually any market in any developing country.

It has ALWAYS been like that so why now and not any other time in the past?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 06, 2020, 05:52:54 PM
Zerohedge suggests,with more than speculation, that this virus was created in the lab.


https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic (https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic)


Color me skeptical.  None of these folks seem to know what they are talking about.  Three blind men and an elephant.

I found this picture "suggesting the source" hilarious. 

(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/wuhan%20food%20market.png?itok=fYnLPWnl)

That is virtually any market in any developing country.

It has ALWAYS been like that so why now and not any other time in the past?

That's a reasonable question.  Could be that we have always had such things and even worse happening in the past but in a less connected and informed world.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: MOON Ki on February 07, 2020, 01:12:43 AM
It has ALWAYS been like that so why now and not any other time in the past?

When you say "why now and not at any other time in the past", what exactly are you referring to?   If you mean a coronavirus (starting with people eating weird things in filthy conditions) causing mayhem in China and related areas (and then to other places in the world), then you must have already forgotten about things like SARS:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome

If mean some nasty things hopping (through eating) from animals to human, those are not uncommon in China; but they tend to be of a type that don't go from human to human and so never get much attention.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: MOON Ki on February 07, 2020, 02:15:28 AM
Suggestions from various quarters that Kung Fu is fudging numbers
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/did-chinas-tencent-accidentally-leak-true-terrifying-coronavirus-statistics

I also watched ABC News and a scientist said as much.

That could all well be true---only time will tell---but if I may ask: where did Tencent and your ABC-scientist buddy get their numbers, and why should they be believed?  (I am assuming that those screenshots have indeed been verified and are not the usual mischief that some Chinese get into, on social media, when trying to claim malfeasance by their government.)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 11, 2020, 07:32:55 AM
Quadratic vs exponential equation? Good fudging


https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/ez13dv/oc_quadratic_coronavirus_epidemic_growth_model/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 11, 2020, 07:36:19 AM
Suggestions from various quarters that Kung Fu is fudging numbers
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/did-chinas-tencent-accidentally-leak-true-terrifying-coronavirus-statistics

I also watched ABC News and a scientist said as much.

That could all well be true---only time will tell---but if I may ask: where did Tencent and your ABC-scientist buddy get their numbers, and why should they be believed?  (I am assuming that those screenshots have indeed been verified and are not the usual mischief that some Chinese get into, on social media, when trying to claim malfeasance by their government.)

Tencent got it from wherever it has been getting the other data; government of course. They are not to be believed,she just reflects skepticism over the numbers Kung Fu man is churning out. There was a Lancet paper with its projections, there are epidemic models,but most importantly, China is keeping a tight leash on any information on the epidemic
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Garliv on February 11, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
China may be fudging numbers. I think they are. Any government would. Because no one wants to create panic or hysteria.
But also there are lots of hysteria and pure propaganda especially on social media and some western media which of course want to portray China in a certain way for their own reasons.

The most reasonable assessment I have heard is that it has reached its peak and within a month it will be contained. Cannot verify it, but that sounds fair enough.

But SARS came from China. Now Corona. And i think there like two others. Why?


Tencent got it from wherever it has been getting the other data; government of course. They are not to be believed,she just reflects skepticism over the numbers Kung Fu man is churning out. There was a Lancet paper with its projections, there are epidemic models,but most importantly, China is keeping a tight leash on any information on the epidemic
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 12, 2020, 09:45:20 PM
China may be fudging numbers. I think they are. Any government would. Because no one wants to create panic or hysteria.
But also there are lots of hysteria and pure propaganda especially on social media and some western media which of course want to portray China in a certain way for their own reasons.

The most reasonable assessment I have heard is that it has reached its peak and within a month it will be contained. Cannot verify it, but that sounds fair enough.

But SARS came from China. Now Corona. And i think there like two others. Why?


Tencent got it from wherever it has been getting the other data; government of course. They are not to be believed,she just reflects skepticism over the numbers Kung Fu man is churning out. There was a Lancet paper with its projections, there are epidemic models,but most importantly, China is keeping a tight leash on any information on the epidemic

Any government would fudge numbers of an epidemic so China is just doing what anyone else would?

Why is assuming it has peaked reasonable? Because China has slashed the number of new infections,a totally bullshit parameter because there is fear of testing lest you get infected as you are quarantined,China reportedly can only test 3,000 at most a day.

Trump has been peddling the weather BS,that warmer weather will kill it off. It is unsubstantiated.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Garliv on February 12, 2020, 10:05:59 PM
I got it from Chinese government official figures. Then WHO doesn't support hysteria or that it's becoming uncontrollable. Then official US who claim to have data on everything and monitoring the situation says as much. I think that's where Trump gets his information from.


Any government would fudge numbers of an epidemic so China is just doing what anyone else would?

Why is assuming it has peaked reasonable? Because China has slashed the number of new infections,a totally bullshit parameter because there is fear of testing lest you get infected as you are quarantined,China reportedly can only test 3,000 at most a day.

Trump has been peddling the weather BS,that warmer weather will kill it off. It is unsubstantiated.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 13, 2020, 04:36:48 AM
I got it from Chinese government official figures. Then WHO doesn't support hysteria or that it's becoming uncontrollable. Then official US who claim to have data on everything and monitoring the situation says as much. I think that's where Trump gets his information from.


Any government would fudge numbers of an epidemic so China is just doing what anyone else would?

Why is assuming it has peaked reasonable? Because China has slashed the number of new infections,a totally bullshit parameter because there is fear of testing lest you get infected as you are quarantined,China reportedly can only test 3,000 at most a day.

Trump has been peddling the weather BS,that warmer weather will kill it off. It is unsubstantiated.

More evidence of fudging numbers. The criteria used to count the deaths and infections was tweaked hence the crazy spike.

This thing is nowhere near the end.

US has no 'data on everything'
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3050354/coronavirus-hubei-province-reports-sharp-spike-new-confirmed
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 14, 2020, 10:14:55 AM
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202002/553ff43ca29d4fe88f3837d49d6b6ef1.shtml

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A total of 1,380 deaths (108 cases in Hubei Province due to repeated statistics)

So yesterday's crazy figures were due to 'double counting' bodies :lolz: :lolz:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 14, 2020, 08:13:44 PM

Yahya Jammeh must be turning in his future grave.  Where are his royalties?

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Georgesoros on February 14, 2020, 08:34:07 PM
Snake oil. Under FDA regulations, It is illegal to sell such stuff claiming a cure
Maybe by the time FDA acts he will be worth $3mil more.
If one has super immunity, it is possible they may not catch this viral disease.
This morning I heard they found it in Japan and the person had never been outside his immediate area.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Garliv on February 14, 2020, 09:29:51 PM
Current reports points to worsening. And credible theory that Corona is a bio weapon from which leaked from Chinese lab located within Wuhan area.
Am now inclined to believe its getting worse. Government fudge numbers until they no longer can credibly do it anymore.

http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202002/553ff43ca29d4fe88f3837d49d6b6ef1.shtml

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A total of 1,380 deaths (108 cases in Hubei Province due to repeated statistics)

So yesterday's crazy figures were due to 'double counting' bodies :lolz: :lolz:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: gout on February 18, 2020, 07:27:30 PM
As much as I am for conspiracy theories due to limited information and also reluctance to trust governments and big corporates, I detest their contribution to apathy and helplessness.

If it gets 'confirmed' in Nairobi streets, I will consider going to the village and chilling for a month or so. There is yet no certainty on capability of Kenya to screen for the virus- sending samples to SA and waiting for a week!! and seems no urgency just prayers to Jehova just like locusts invasion..
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: MOON Ki on February 20, 2020, 11:58:06 AM
That could all well be true---only time will tell---but if I may ask: where did Tencent and your ABC-scientist buddy get their numbers, and why should they be believed?  (I am assuming that those screenshots have indeed been verified and are not the usual mischief that some Chinese get into, on social media, when trying to claim malfeasance by their government.)

Tencent got it from wherever it has been getting the other data; government of course. They are not to be believed,she just reflects skepticism over the numbers Kung Fu man is churning out. There was a Lancet paper with its projections, there are epidemic models,but most importantly, China is keeping a tight leash on any information on the epidemic

That is one part of it.   For the other part see the bit in red.    (I also note that the "accidental real figures" are to be found on only tinfoil websites; I am unclear as to why normal people did not manage to see them.)   Tencent claimed the screenshots were doctored, and I have yet to see the tinfoil types prove they were not.

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Unfortunately, several social media sources have circulated doctored images of our “Epidemic Situation Tracker” featuring false information which we never published.


Here's an opinion on that "true story" story:   

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A massively shared story about the 'real' Coronavirus death toll is fake: Here's how we know

https://inews.co.uk/news/coronavirus-death-toll-story-fake-china-virus-explained-1411992

I'd be interested to hear you opinion on such responses (of which there are several going around).   I mean beyond something like "Tencent has obviously destroyed all the evidence by now".   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: MOON Ki on February 20, 2020, 12:24:47 PM
More evidence of fudging numbers. The criteria used to count the deaths and infections was tweaked hence the crazy spike.

This thing is nowhere near the end.

So yesterday's crazy figures were due to 'double counting' bodies

I don't know whether the Chinese are fudging numbers or not; only time will tell, but I would not assume that temporarily inaccurate numbers (which are inevitable) are a confirmation of mischief .   Nor is the changing the criteria for listed "cause of death" something that is entirely unknown or unnecessary; consider, for example, the different nasty things that could lead to pneumonia.  Nor do "crazy" spikes necessarily indicate that something untoward is afoot; South Korea has just had two really huge spikes---in just two days---in its reported numbers.  (I doubt the spikes are because the authorities are "at it again", but you may be able to enlighten us.) As for "the end", yes, it probably nowhere near; SARS spread for something like 8 or 9 months.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 22, 2020, 05:54:51 AM
More evidence of fudging numbers. The criteria used to count the deaths and infections was tweaked hence the crazy spike.

This thing is nowhere near the end.

So yesterday's crazy figures were due to 'double counting' bodies

I don't know whether the Chinese are fudging numbers or not; only time will tell, but I would not assume that temporarily inaccurate numbers (which are inevitable) are a confirmation of mischief .   Nor is the changing the criteria for listed "cause of death" something that is entirely unknown or unnecessary; consider, for example, the different nasty things that could lead to pneumonia.  Nor do "crazy" spikes necessarily indicate that something untoward is afoot; South Korea has just had two really huge spikes---in just two days---in its reported numbers.  (I doubt the spikes are because the authorities are "at it again", but you may be able to enlighten us.) As for "the end", yes, it probably nowhere near; SARS spread for something like 8 or 9 months.

Korea spike is traceable to a sect and has nothing to do with changing criteria. In China the spikes followed issuing of guidelines and when they reversed themselves the count dropped. I think as of today, Feb 22nd the definition has changed 5 times in about a month. China is in goalseeking mode with the figures.

And talking of Korea,  they reported 142 new infections on Saturday while China reported 397 on Friday. South Korea's total infected are in their hundreds while China's are tens of thousands. Maybe China is doing a better job at containing Coronavirus. :D
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 24, 2020, 10:14:44 AM
WaPo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/20/confusion-mounts-over-chinas-counting-methods-coronavirus-numbers-swing-wildly/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 24, 2020, 05:34:36 PM
My local phamarcy is rationing masks. I went there to buy cough drops and found a big notice saying no masks will be sold without a good reason of buying one
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 24, 2020, 10:18:37 PM
It seems China is not alone in fudging. No country wants to be in China’s shoes for a second.

Iran has a cluster and one lawmaker claimed 50 deaths but gavaa says they are ‘only’ 12, a scary figure in and of itself

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-died-virus-total-death-toll-12-69170688

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: KenyanPlato on February 25, 2020, 03:11:27 AM
It seems China is not alone in fudging. No country wants to be in China’s shoes for a second.

Iran has a cluster and one lawmaker claimed 50 deaths but gavaa says they are ‘only’ 12, a scary figure in and of itself

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-died-virus-total-death-toll-12-69170688

Tanzania recently hid EBOLA outbreak. I think Mangufool killed the patient and anyone that had contact with him. WHO visited twice but they were denied access
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: GeeMail on February 25, 2020, 09:32:51 AM
KenyanPlato can we enter a partnership to manufacture face masks? Chinese colleagues are buying cartons and cartons of gloves and face masks for shipping to relative back home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: GeeMail on February 27, 2020, 09:48:34 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51663182 Japan closing all schools while Kenya is busy importing Chinese. This thing is going overboard. The globalists will be very happy to institute control measures. We must anchor our hope in the Word of God, not in the empty promises and failed policies of world leaders.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: gout on February 28, 2020, 09:07:36 PM
Kenyan elites hard pressed dealing with a fwecking hot potato touching on breasts they are feeding on.

It will be interesting to see them somersault all over and like Geemail, just keep hoping it goes away before it blows us up.
 
With a hot potato like Al Shabaab it is easy to go tongs and hammer once people are all over crying but when it is about the Red Dragon man got the purses you you are just in uncertain waters.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on February 29, 2020, 06:31:53 AM
I don't know what makes these leaders assume thry will be spared from #Covid19. Look at ran
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Georgesoros on February 29, 2020, 06:44:10 AM
Current reports points to worsening. And credible theory that Corona is a bio weapon from which leaked from Chinese lab located within Wuhan area.
Am now inclined to believe its getting worse. Government fudge numbers until they no longer can credibly do it anymore.

http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202002/553ff43ca29d4fe88f3837d49d6b6ef1.shtml

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A total of 1,380 deaths (108 cases in Hubei Province due to repeated statistics)

So yesterday's crazy figures were due to 'double counting' bodies :lolz: :lolz:

Also heard that CIA ordered it to slow China down economically. All sorts of rumors.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: vooke on March 06, 2020, 07:26:55 AM
Kung Fu is fudging electricity consumption to fake factory activity

https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-03-04/lights-are-on-but-no-ones-working-how-local-governments-are-faking-coronavirus-recovery-101524058.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dear Mami on March 06, 2020, 07:30:40 AM
I don't know what makes these leaders assume thry will be spared from #Covid19. Look at ran

Eggzactly! Imagine the hubris of Matiangi and squad permitting a plane to enter and releasing 239 pple into the population. Kwani wakona siri sisi hatuna? Things like this tempt me to believe in special baafrika stupidity from time to time.