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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on March 17, 2022, 09:22:21 PM
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Come uda ndc faruok was instructed to keep gachagua far away from the front row. Now gachaugua is so embarrassed to even speak. He has tasted Ruto Machavellian power. He is a bitter man but he can't touch ruto. Since he needs ruto more than ruto needs him.
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Gachagua is a billionaire...if the man can give 800 mirrion how much more do you think he has stashed? Just the other day gachagua was carrying uhuru bags and folders...gachagua must be over the target for fingering Muhoho and Nancy Gitau as people behind rigging 2022 elections..
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So should I move Alice Wahome up or even Ndidi Nyoro?
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Some people drink get high fantasize stories and come to post them here.
Nowonder they are easily brainwashed. Such a sad story.
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Pundit it seems he will go with kabogo..lol
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Some people drink get high fantasize stories and come to post them here.
Nowonder they are easily brainwashed. Such a sad story.
Njamba downs Muratina and with some faagi. Don't take his storos seriously Lol.
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Ruto is floating all those names -Wahome, Ndindi, Kindiki - to counter PK and Munya but none beats Gachagua calibre. He needs to man up and stick to Gachagua.
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I think Gachagua has it...Alice Wahome is the super sub.Raila is thinking PK or munya.. kalonzo drunk water
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Fake love
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Azimio wild card remain Gideon Moi for Raila - Uhuru doesnt care about victory - just repaying Moi's friendship. Baba will be forced to pick Giddy or he will be out of Azimio :)
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Azimio wild card remain Gideon Moi for Raila - Uhuru doesnt care about victory - just repaying Moi's friendship. Baba will be forced to pick Giddy or he will be out of Azimio :)
Uhuru and mama ngina have probably spent a cool billion propping small parties and bribing politicians by now. If they see brainy DP still cruising with the same speed, they will slowly start jamming Azzimio. Uhuru is very scared of DP, so he will try to make peace before the vote, not after! One way he can make peace is by weakening Raila with such move. Gideon with no votes will sink Raila!
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He is started to wake up from slumber and order a report on the ground. The report of course is overwhelming rejection. He will be told Ruto lead is now unassailable because he has retained largely Jubilee support, has gained new NASA zones, and is simply unbeatable.
How he moves from here - we shall see in the next few weeks. He has two options - continue digging a big hole for himself & kenyatta family or call Ruto for tea - and apologize - contribute to Ruto campaign kitty and dismantle his own project.
To dismantle Azimio should be easy because Raila is totally dependant on Uhuru and Gideon money. Just force him to pick Gideon Moi and he dies by a thousand cuts.
Uhuru and mama ngina have probably spent a cool billion propping small parties and bribing politicians by now. If they see brainy DP still cruising with the same speed, they will slowly start jamming Azzimio. Uhuru is very scared of DP, so he will try to make peace before the vote, not after! One way he can make peace is by weakening Raila with such move. Gideon with no votes will sink Raila!
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Azimio wild card remain Gideon Moi for Raila - Uhuru doesnt care about victory - just repaying Moi's friendship. Baba will be forced to pick Giddy or he will be out of Azimio :)
I've only heard this from UDA/KK. It's not even whispered by a single Azimio guy. This is fake news. Baba DP is Munya. Robina might be right that it's PK. I disagree but it's 1,000 times more likely than Gideon.
Pundit, this is where you lose your self-claimed objectivity and allow wishes to replace punditry :D Ati Gideon Moi? Surely?
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You're confusing what you think is best for Azimio and the reality.
It's like guys who dont want Gachagua in UDA but he is likely to get it because realpolitik.
I admit I dont quite understand Uhuru-Gideon gameplan.
I have followed their game the longest - ever since they dumped Ruto - hired Nancy to work some magic in some office in Gigiri.
It's been a byzantine.
What I know Gideon is at the center of this - he is one who delivered and probably paid Kalonzo.
He has been financing Raila and OKA guys - buying defectors.
Gideon if you dont know is very very rich.
Now I ask you again what is in it for GIDEON?
He is said - he aint running for senator again.
Why is he spending all that money?
What is in for the UHURU family?
You think they just want Ruto lose?
Or you think Gideon is even aware that he is unpopular. He sees his friend Uhuru won. Why cant he. These people dont know how unpopular they are....they know they gotta the money and they can buy anything including PORK.
Unpopular to them simply mean hire Gina din Kariuki and her PR firm to fix the image issues :) or get the best from London or Newyork to work on his "image problem". It's going to be Raila and Azimio crew job to sell Gideon - ama wakwende :)
Now the deal is that JUBILEE & OKA will provide DPORK.
It's not Raila choice to make.
OKA is Gideon Moi - Jubilee is UHURU.
Do you think Uhuru consider PK or Munya anything but rubbish? Uhuru consider Gideon his peer.
Understand this dynasty game. Intelligence from word go was that Uhuru, Muhoho and Gideon were upto something.
Raila is a trojan. The dont care about him.
Ruto has shattered their plans and dreams. They are now in cul-de-sac. Initially it was BBI - then it died.
They tried to frustrate RUto hoping to get him to quit so Gideon can slide as DPORK - failed.
They thought they will take Mt Kenya or at least split it - it now failed completely - Ruto heading towards 90 percent of Mt kenya.
Now how to they move from here.
Work hard for Raila to win - for it's sake - while they play hidden role?
Negotiate with Ruto?
Use the opportunity anyway to sell Gideon?
I've only heard this from UDA/KK. It's not even whispered by a single Azimio guy. This is fake news. Baba DP is Munya. Robina might be right that it's PK. I disagree but it's 1,000 times more likely than Gideon.
Pundit, this is where you lose your self-claimed objectivity and allow wishes to replace punditry :D Ati Gideon Moi? Surely?
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Azimio wild card remain Gideon Moi for Raila - Uhuru doesnt care about victory - just repaying Moi's friendship. Baba will be forced to pick Giddy or he will be out of Azimio :)
Uhuru and mama ngina have probably spent a cool billion propping small parties and bribing politicians by now. If they see brainy DP still cruising with the same speed, they will slowly start jamming Azzimio. Uhuru is very scared of DP, so he will try to make peace before the vote, not after! One way he can make peace is by weakening Raila with such move. Gideon with no votes will sink Raila!
@RVHH, I keep asking you if you are Farouk but you never answer me. Anyway, you guys underestimate the genuine friendship between Gideon and UK. Let us be clear friendship is one thing but in politics what counts above all - is NUMBERS! Gideon doesn't have them. UK will have to come up with a long term strategy to politically help his bestie.
Suffice for me to remind you of this day, Uhuru was at a function which was attended by Gideon. As speeches were going on UK passed a piece of paper to the back to reach Gideon. On receiving it, Gideon burst out laughing and UK laughed too. Which president does that in public. Let truth be told and this is what RVPundit refused to acknowledge: UK can't stand Ruto. He actually loathes the guy and not for any political reason but because Ruto is not of his pedigree. All these years going way back to 2002, he has tolerated Ruto because of his political numbers, but put them at the same table and UK feels like sticking his finger in his throat and throwing up. So LISTEN GOOD RVHH and RVpundit, UHURU WILL NEVER, I MEAN EVER MAKE PEACE with Ruto EFORE THE VOTE. How do you make peace with one you loathe?? I say this with the same conviction when I said (PAST TENSE) on this forum that:
1. Uhuru will not betray Raila
2. Kalonzo will not join Kenya Kwanza.
Both times I was proved right!
My reason is informed by fact: Both Kalonzo & UK hate Luto. If you feel 'hate' is a strong word then let me paraphrase: Luto is not a likeable guy. Even Martha Karua hates him.
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Let me help you.
Leave RVHH - huyu ni deep state ya Sugoi and knows more than you will ever know.
UK-Gideon dont hate Ruto. They see Ruto as political rival.
They fear Ruto.
They fear Raila the most.
They dislike Raila...I dont think we have heard the last of these stories.
Dont jump into conclusion.
All these politicians behind the scenes are not enemies.
They are political rivals but most are friends.
So dont follow emotions - follow INTERESTS.
What is in it for Gideon? What is in it for Kalonzo? What is Uhuru seeking to achieve.
Once you do that - you'll know stuff. If you cannot answer that question - dont buy the nonsense about how we hate Ruto :) - that is just meant for idiots like you. Eti we hate corruption. Ruto is corrupt. I am doing this for Kenya. Those are canned nonsense meant for idiots like you.
Politicians in kenya main interest - is LOOTING - grand looting - how they will make the next billions. Second question how will they retain their stolen loot
It's a competition basically for Wealth creation and retention. The rest like legacy are normally afterthought.
Follow the MONEY. So far I dont understand Gideon and Uhuru END GAME. Anybody who claims to understand is lying to themselves.
Even guys close to Uhuru do not understand his gameplan - and many are quiting to join UDA.
The plausible theories
1) Gideon is going to be forced as Raila's DPORK.
2) BBI is coming back
3) Gideon-Uhuru are using Jakom to negotiate with Ruto having had their gameplan unravel.
Their business is not make Raila PORK - it's more than that - they have their own selfish personal agenda.
GAME BADO - until April-June hapo - when Chebukati receive final presidential nomination - then come and now say I was right these people hate Ruto so much they have endorsed Jakom without asking for anything :) :).
That will be the day when Kenyattas and Mois - who have been Odinga rivals the most - will truly surprise us with their 360 degrees.
As for now - prepare to hear from Gideon and Uhuru - demands to Raila (DPORK for Gideon is almost a baseline)
If Raila refuses - Kalonzo cheque will bounce & he will cry betrayal again - Gideon and Uhuru will rush to Sugoi and they will have Jakom for super long before election
@RVHH, I keep asking you if you are Farouk but you never answer me. Anyway, you guys underestimate the genuine friendship between Gideon and UK. Let us be clear friendship is one thing but in politics what counts above all - is NUMBERS! Gideon doesn't have them. UK will have to come up with a long term strategy to politically help his bestie.
Suffice for me to remind you of this day, Uhuru was at a function which was attended by Gideon. As speeches were going on UK passed a piece of paper to the back to reach Gideon. On receiving it, Gideon burst out laughing and UK laughed too. Which president does that in public. Let truth be told and this is what RVPundit refused to acknowledge: UK can't stand Ruto. He actually loathes the guy and not for any political reason but because Ruto is not of his pedigree. All these years going way back to 2002, he has tolerated Ruto because of his political numbers, but put them at the same table and UK feels like sticking his finger in his throat and throwing up. So LISTEN GOOD RVHH and RVpundit, UHURU WILL NEVER, I MEAN EVER MAKE PEACE with Ruto EFORE THE VOTE. How do you make peace with one you loathe?? I say this with the same conviction when I said (PAST TENSE) on this forum that:
1. Uhuru will not betray Raila
2. Kalonzo will not join Kenya Kwanza.
Both times I was proved right!
My reason is informed by fact: Both Kalonzo & UK hate Luto. If you feel 'hate' is a strong word then let me paraphrase: Luto is not a likeable guy. Even Martha Karua hates him.
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Project Azimio : The Continuation of Kenyatta&Moi economic & political dynasty in Kenya
Project Lead: RAILA
Project Manager: Uhuru
Project Financier: Gideon & Muhoho
Project Consultant : Nancy Gitatu
Project office: Gigiri.
Project Status : In Limbo/under evaluation.
The Nation understands that the President has tasked a team to prepare a one-week report on the real situation in Mt Kenya. Those in the team include Interior Principal Secretary Karanja Kibicho, Jubilee political coordinator Nancy Gitau, Director of Intelligence Wachira Kameru, Directorate of Criminal Investigations head George Kinoti and Jubilee secretary-general Jeremiah Kioni.
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UK-Gideon dont hate Ruto. They see Ruto as political rival.
They fear Ruto.
They fear Raila the most.
They dislike Raila...I dont think we have heard the last of these stories.
Dont jump into conclusion.
Pundit, this doesn't make sense to me: If they fear Raila most, then they are acting very confused, investing all this money and effort into his campaign against Ruto, mpaka roping in Kaloi. It would've been the easiest thing in the world to just support Ruto, avoid a fallout, starting last year. After all, there was already a publicly declared 'Yangu kumi, ya Ruto kumi' MOU awaiting implementation; Plus everyone, including you and many apathetic Raila supporters (like yours truly), fully expected Uhuro to betray Baba.
I won't pretend I was in the camp that expected him to back Raila to the end. I fully confess to being among the ones shocked at this year's turn of events. I wasn't even going to vote because I expected 2017 2.0. Plus after handshake, it just seems they are all classmates to me and that Bottomline, we are the idiots (voters) to a certain extent. I even told everyone in my family not to place any false hopes on this Jubilee nyang'au who destroyed the economy. Now they're telling me, "Si, we told you!" Uhuru behavior just wasn't according to 'previous trends.' Let's just leave it there. I have only believed it after Sagana. Be4, Uhuru was only making these non-committal, coy gestures here and there, but not showing serious intention to back Raila. He never even mentioned it clearly in words! Maybe he was still weighing things? But I always felt he was using Raila (and Raila using him) for BBI and just got stuck with him when the courts put a brake on it. I thought he'd betray Raila right after the constitution changed to his liking and even wondered why Ruto was so adamantly opposed.
So the only thing I agree with in your analysis is that these people are all friends. :D If the mind-boggling shifts/shuffles that have happened since 2002 between this same, exact cabal don't clue someone in on that sober fact, nothing can. Literally, any combination of them could be in friendly or rival camps in any election. I completely sobered up to that reality during handshake and Uhuruto fallout, though it has been happening consistently since 2002: Was just slow to realize this was not a bug but a feature of this bizarre system that is Kenyan politricks. Heck, it was happening even before 2002! I just usually stop at 2002 because I had zero interest in politics before that year and all I know from before is not from my own reading/listening of news.
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It also doesnt make sense to me. I would lie to you if I told you I know Uhuru-Gideon gameplan. What I know is they have a gameplan. What I also know is their gameplan has for most part fallen apart.
I think what we heard from Ruto guys in 2019 - was that Uhuru, Gideon and Muhoho - had tasked Nancy Gitau to come up with plan.
The plan was to use Raila as trojan horse against Ruto - then eventually dump him.
Ruto has proved very nimble, adept and definitely no pushover.
So they have got into a stage where they are in cul-de-sac.
Moi and Kenyattas - and Odinga are the strangest of bed fellows. Remember Kenyatta imprisoned Jaramogi for 6yrs after firing him and all that. Moi gave Raila 9yrs.
The worst they have done to Ruto is moving his cheese the last five years.
So in terms of fear - they fear Raila the most.
They have invested in creating a monster out of Raila.
Raila has huge axe - Ruto has smaller axe - both when in power will definitely trash any MOU.
Now speaking of Sagana - I think Uhuru damaged Raila in Mt - he basically gave silly reason for supporting Raila & Handshake - and never gave any good reason to oppose Ruto - ending with a rider if he changes we support him next time - that is why post-sagana Ruto has surged in Mt kenya. I dont think it was deliberate - he has just lost his political mojo.
The reality is dawn on Uhuru that his project has fallen apart. Yes they have got Kalonzo but crucial Mt kenya is slipping out of their hands.
You'd have to be an idiot to imagine Uhuru and Gideon are in this for Raila. That they will word hard, spend their money and eventually give it up to Kalonzo or PK.
The ONE THING THEY have achieved in AZIMIO - THEY HAVE RAILA under THEIR CONTROL.
IF UHURU OR GIDEON TELL RAILA JUMP - he just ask how many times :) or how high - of course if Raila was to win - things changes immediately. For now he depend on Uhuru for state support - and Gideon is financing OKA - Kalonzo and many things.
So for now - if they decide to pursue AZIMIO to the bitter end - at the minimum Raila will be forced to pick GIDEON or Muhoho.
That will make the ticket lose before any polling station is opened - but they will approach Ruto - and make a deal - that they are making Raila lose and promoting Gideon for the future.
In summary this is where we are....
Ignore the fake opinion polls that saw Jakom jumping 15 percent :) - they know they are fake and financed it.
They have asked Nancy and NIS to come up with REAL REPORT - that will FORM THE BASIS OF THEIR NEXT MOVE
Project Azimio : The Continuation of Kenyatta & Moi economic & political dynasty in Kenya
Project Manager: Uhuru
Financier(s): GOK, Gideon & Muhoho
Lead Consultant : Nancy Gitatu
Office: Gigiri.
Status : Under evaluation. Awaiting one-week report on the real situation in Mt Kenya.
Pundit, this doesn't make sense to me: If they fear Raila most, then they are acting very confused, investing all this money and effort into his campaign against Ruto, mpaka roping in Kaloi. It would've been the easiest thing in the world to just support Ruto, avoid a fallout, starting last year. After all, there was already a publicly declared 'Yangu kumi, ya Ruto kumi' MOU awaiting implementation; Plus everyone, including you and many apathetic Raila supporters (like yours truly), fully expected Uhuro to betray Baba.
I won't pretend I was in the camp that expected him to back Raila to the end. I fully confess to being among the ones shocked at this year's turn of events. I wasn't even going to vote because I expected 2017 2.0. Plus after handshake, it just seems they are all classmates to me and that Bottomline, we are the idiots (voters) to a certain extent. I even told everyone in my family not to place any false hopes on this Jubilee nyang'au who destroyed the economy. Now they're telling me, "Si, we told you!" Uhuru behavior just wasn't according to 'previous trends.' Let's just leave it there. I have only believed it after Sagana. Be4, Uhuru was only making these non-committal, coy gestures here and there, but not showing serious intention to back Raila. He never even mentioned it clearly in words! Maybe he was still weighing things? But I always felt he was using Raila (and Raila using him) for BBI and just got stuck with him when the courts put a brake on it. I thought he'd betray Raila right after the constitution changed to his liking and even wondered why Ruto was so adamantly opposed.
So the only thing I agree with in your analysis is that these people are all friends. :D If the mind-boggling shifts/shuffles that have happened since 2002 between this same, exact cabal don't clue someone in on that sober fact, nothing can. Literally, any combination of them could be in friendly or rival camps in any election. I completely sobered up to that reality during handshake and Uhuruto fallout, though it has been happening consistently since 2002: Was just slow to realize this was not a bug but a feature of this bizarre system that is Kenyan politricks. Heck, it was happening even before 2002! I just usually stop at 2002 because I had zero interest in politics before that year and all I know from before is not from my own reading/listening of news.
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I agree with you that Uhuru is trying to help his his fellow cerelac/nursery buddy. But I think I concur with Audacity's reading that Uhuru will find a longer route.
In ANY other country, I'd totally rubbish/dismiss the notion of a President Gideon Moi (Ngai fafa! :o). I mean, Moi's rule is quite fresh in many minds, even mine and I'm not that old. The idea that his kid would be smuggled in so soon is just crazy to me. But, well, this is .ke. If I somehow went into a coma and woke up in four years to find Gideon Moi someway, somehow the undisputable top contender for the top seat through a bizarre unfolding of events even the best talent in Hollywood couldn't concoct :D, I would, sadly, . . . believe it! :o I daresay ours has to be among the weirdest politics in human history. We are a strange collection of people. Or rather, we have strange leaders. But maybe they reflect us. Never used to accept that, but sometimes I think MoonKI was right about that.
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My friend if we elected Uhuru PORK for 10yrs
We can elect Gideon.
Gideon is better than Uhuru.
Uhuru is a drunkard - a chain smoking drunkard - but Ruto/Gideon/Kalenjin elite used him as trojan horse to get GEMA votes
And get back to power... I heard Ruto saying it in my hometown in 2002 that Uhuru ni mlevi and they will run gov.
In 2013-2017 - he use to tell Kalenjin - the guy is drunkard and he is the de-facto PORK
Raila is being used as trojan horse - Uhuru failed in his 1st try - but got in after 10yrs.
Why Raila - because he can win - and his health/age is catching up.
At this point - with Ruto proving very tough to beat.
Project Azimio may be used to prepare the way for Gideon or Muhoho.
Power remember concede nothing.
If Uhuru-Gideon control Raila - do not think they will let Raila choose whoever he wants.
Nope - they will give him a name - choose or you go to hell.
I agree with you that Uhuru is trying to help his his fellow cerelac/nursery buddy. But I think I concur with Audacity's reading that Uhuru will find a longer route.
In ANY other country, I'd totally rubbish/dismiss the notion of a President Gideon Moi (Ngai fafa! :o). I mean, Moi's rule is quite fresh in many minds, even mine and I'm not that old. The idea that his kid would be smuggled in so soon is just crazy to me. But, well, this is .ke. If I somehow went into a coma and woke up in four years to find Gideon Moi someway, somehow the undisputable top contender for the top seat through a bizarre unfolding of events even the best talent in Hollywood couldn't concoct :D, I would, sadly, . . . believe it! :o I daresay ours has to be among the weirdest politics in human history. We are a strange collection of people. Or rather, we have strange leaders. But maybe they reflect us. Never used to accept that, but sometimes I think MoonKI was right about that.
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What people dont know about Gideon.
Gideon is okay guy - snob - but he runs a very complicated mutli-billion Moi empire spanning countries
He runs the Moi business empire from an office in Brookside drive in Westland.
Very professionally
Very profitably
He doesn't drink
He is a family man - who loves his wife and kids - lives in big house - lelego in Kitusuru peponi road with his horses.
He plays polo with his kids and loves outdoor sports.
He is also a schemer per excellence.
And beside the soft mien - he is tough guy who you cannot cross - not a killer like his army brother but also lethal.
He is underrated because he is a snob with Mzungu like tabia.
Uhurus and Kenyattas definitely think highly of him.
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Pundit, you're not going to sell many people on the merits of Gideon Moi! :D He could be a saint, but as they say in comedy, "It's too soon!"
Plus Azimio would be so stupid to hand Ruto that perfect club to clobber them with their "Dynasty" slogan! That picture would be perfectly solidified with a Gideon DP.
PS: I highly doubt Uhuru would've become president without the combination of PEV, ICC, and a Kibaki presidency. This galvanized GEMA to try and save their "savior" who allegedly helped them during PEV and was unfairly victimized by bad mzungu and Raira :D It did the same for Ruto.
It's going to be tough as nails to try and repeat that with Gideon. But, again, this is .ke. Everything crazy and nonsensical is possible! :D
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I am not selling. I am just explaining to you why I think Uhuru think highly of Gideon and would have no problem recommending him as DPORK.
Uhuru was winning 2002 until Kibaki Tosha. He still got 33 percent.
Uhuru did not win because of ICC - he won because of Ruto.
Once Ruto and Kalenjin nation had agreed to back him - he went to restless GEMA who thought the idea of Kibaki being inherited by another Kikuyu was impossible - and was able to convince them it was doable.
Remember 2010 constitution requires 50 percent = and without Ruto/Kalenjin - Uhuru even if he was seen as ICC/2007 defense hero - would have maxed out at 30 percent - No Luo or Luhya or Kamba would have agreed to back him for PORK. Ruto & Kalenjin nation did it because of their own strategic reasons.
Uhuru is creation of Kalenjin Nation. He is perfect trojan Mlevi by Giddy and William. Giddy plan was to use him in 2002 to inherit his father. Ruto used him to max in 1st term of 2013 and he went rogue in 2nd term - Giddy is running things - Matiangi bado tosha mboga.
Pundit, you're not going to sell many people on the merits of Gideon Moi! :D He could be a saint, but as they say in comedy, "It's too soon!"
Plus Azimio would be so stupid to hand Ruto that perfect club to clobber them with their "Dynasty" slogan! That picture would be perfectly solidified with a Gideon DP.
PS: I highly doubt Uhuru would've become president without the combination of PEV and ICC and a Kibaki presidency. This galvanized GEMA to try and save their "savior" who allegedly helped them during PEV and was unfairly victimized by bad mzungu and Raira :D It did the same for Ruto.
It's going to be tough as nails to try and repeat that with Gideon. But, again, this is .ke. Everything crazy and nonsensical is possible! :D
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I'm going to stop there on this Gideon topic but I'll say, if Azimio is dumb enough to pick Gideon DP, they absolutely deserve the complete and convincing thrashing that will be waiting for them in August. Iyo tu.
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Who control Azimio. Raila or Gideon or Uhuru or Kalonzo. It's obvious Uhuru-Giddy. This is why I am saying bado mambo. Game bado changa. Until 10th June when Chebukati receive papers - people need to understand anything is possible.
I'm going to stop there on this Gideon topic but I'll say, if Azimio is dumb enough to pick Gideon DP, they absolutely deserve the complete and convincing thrashing that will be waiting for them in August. Iyo tu.
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Pundito is yet to come to terms with Uhuru's betrayal of Ruto,it's killing him softly,this was the last thing he expected,upto that s point he still fathoms that uhuru will reconcile with Ruto,That Raila is being played.Lets give him some space to heal.
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My friend how many times have you gotten wrong; all these years;
Mambo ya 2022 imeisha - that is why I released FINAL MOAS.
Ruto win is unassailable now.
Once you get 45 percent of GEMA - I will reconsider doing another MOAS :)
Tough luck - you're heading to usual 5 percent up there.
The momentum from Sagana swung the wrong way :(
It's called a BOOMERANG :) effect
What am talking about is scenarios for failed project managers and financiers - they either die with Azimio or join Ruto.
As for me - why would I have problem if Ruto doesnt win - I dont own multi-billion empires like Gideon and Uhuru.
Raila will not affect my life..in any significant way..unless he started a civil war.
Pundito is yet to come to terms with Uhuru's betrayal of Ruto,it's killing him softly,this was the last thing he expected,upto that s point he still fathoms that uhuru will reconcile with Ruto,That Raila is being played.Lets give him some space to heal.
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You can't win presidency with only 65% of central and another 68% of rift valley.Ruto is trailing Raila in 6 out of 8 former provinces.Ask yourself why he is pitching tent in central.its do or die for him there.
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Best Uhuru can do for his man Giddy is to let him follow his own footsteps post 2002 beating. I.e. First become Deputy Prime Minister, then chart your way upwards depending on other political situations.
Even that will be tough because man Giddy DOES NOT have his own base of voters! As long as Ruto is still in the game, which is true at least for the next decade, Gideon is NOT going to be anybody's running mate. He will stick to buying his way to the top negotiating table which won't get to no. 1 or 2 unless Ruto is dead or something.
What disappoints me is our Pundit here seriously assumes that everyone in Jubilee or Azimio or even Uhuru/Giddy themselves and their advisors are too stupid to realize this.
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Pundit flip flops and changes colors better than Kalonzo & Mdvd. At least Kalonzo-Mdvd are nursing broken katikati dreams - but Pundit can't believe Uhuru has organized the Azimio juggernaut and is pulling all stops for Raila.
After 3 years of they are playing Raila... a few days ago Uhuru was said to be going for Muhoho. Now it is Gideon.
Do you see how despite PK being the obvious favorite - they are dying for Raila to pick Munya or Kalonzo so Ruto can sweep Mt Kenya. They are sure Uhuru is going for Munya - and allegedly has no time for PK who is detached - yet they have Wahome and Ndindi lined up.
Of course there is no grand Gideon strategy to use Azimio - just Pundit's desperation as Ruto chances dwindle.
Pundito is yet to come to terms with Uhuru's betrayal of Ruto,it's killing him softly,this was the last thing he expected,upto that s point he still fathoms that uhuru will reconcile with Ruto,That Raila is being played.Lets give him some space to heal.
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Go to Google and search Uhuru wants Gideon - and you'll see Uhuru wants Gideon as DPORK from main media. Dont blame me. I am just a mere pundit.
Basically I dont think Gideon would agree to pay off Kalonzo with a billion then forego it.
The deal is simple - Jubilee/OKA (UHURU) - will pick DPORK.
Hapo ndio Munya and PK will discover what DYNASTY MEANS - they can ask Ruto for quick lessons.
Best Uhuru can do for his man Giddy is to let him follow his own footsteps post 2002 beating. I.e. First become Deputy Prime Minister, then chart your way upwards depending on other political situations.
Even that will be tough because man Giddy DOES NOT have his own base of voters! As long as Ruto is still in the game, which is true at least for the next decade, Gideon is NOT going to be anybody's running mate. He will stick to buying his way to the top negotiating table which won't get to no. 1 or 2 unless Ruto is dead or something.
What disappoints me is our Pundit here seriously assumes that everyone in Jubilee or Azimio or even Uhuru/Giddy themselves and their advisors are too stupid to realize this.
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I am not in the game.
I am a commentator.
I am a pundit
I am not a player.
Unlike you who is pushing for PK - I got no horse.
DO NOT SET YOURSELF FOR FRUSTRATION AND THEN BLAME ME :)
I am a mere pundit
Got no say on who the DPORK will be.
Not in Kenya Kwanza.
Not in Azimio.
I just read the leaves from both camp....at one point it was Kiunjuri...now it's Gachagua with Wahome and Madvd.
In Azimio - I would rank PK an outsider unless Raila goes rogue.
Azimio - I rank Munya, Gideon, and Kalonzo...highly.
Pundit flip flops and changes colors better than Kalonzo & Mdvd. At least Kalonzo-Mdvd are nursing broken katikati dreams - but Pundit can't believe Uhuru has organized the Azimio juggernaut and is pulling all stops for Raila.
After 3 years of they are playing Raila... a few days ago Uhuru was said to be going for Muhoho. Now it is Gideon.
Do you see how despite PK being the obvious favorite - they are dying for Raila to pick Munya or Kalonzo so Ruto can sweep Mt Kenya. They are sure Uhuru is going for Munya - and allegedly has no time for PK who is detached - yet they have Wahome and Ndindi lined up.
Of course there is no grand Gideon strategy to use Azimio - just Pundit's desperation as Ruto chances dwindle.
Pundito is yet to come to terms with Uhuru's betrayal of Ruto,it's killing him softly,this was the last thing he expected,upto that s point he still fathoms that uhuru will reconcile with Ruto,That Raila is being played.Lets give him some space to heal.
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Robina, why do you think Munya is a bad choice for DPORK?
He ticks both Mt. Kenya and 'Kabila ndogo' boxes, which allows him to steal away Meru, a small section of Agikuyu, and still hand Uhuru the "Kabila Mbili is too much!" song, since it'll be a Luo-Meru ticket.
Anti-GEMA sentiments will NOT touch Munya: No one has beef with a Meru getting a stab. Other kabilas will think it's all very fair. Plus they can use it to tell Agikuyu to rudisha mkono to their younger brothers who have supported them unconditionally since independence :D
Basically, I don't see a Munya downside, unless Ruto also picks Kindiki.
Basically, Mt. Kenya get their insider in no. 2 while still "leaving it for Kabila ndogo'." Maybe the point is Agikuyu will only vote for PK, not Munya? I don't know. Maybe? But Merus will vote for their DP. They've never come that close to Presidency before.
Best Gideon is getting is Deputy PM. Hii ingine ya Pundit ni mambo za UDA. I will only entertain it if/when it happens and not a day sooner coz it's too dumb a move. :D You can't just assume a whole gang of experienced politicians are that dumb without good evidence. :D
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Imagine Kalonzo is saying this about his erstwhile fellow principal in the now defunct NASA:
Wiper party leader Kalonzo Musyoka has said ANC counterpart Musalia Mudavadi is emotional and lacks judgement.
“Mudavadi is my friend but he becomes very emotional and lacks judgment. He wasn’t supposed to say what he said but it was his constitutional right,” Kalonzo told Musyi FM on Friday morning.
Read more at: Mudavadi is emotional, lacks judgement - Kalonzo (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-03-18-mudavadi-is-emotional-lacks-judgement-kalonzo/)
Now just replace Mdvd's name with @Pundit and you are spot on describing what Pundit is going through right now and will keep going through until Aug 10th.
Member X has told Pundit that he is emotional and lacks judgement.
“Pundit is my friend but he becomes very emotional and lacks judgment. He wasn’t supposed to post what he is posting but it is his constitutional right,”
Pundit flip flops and changes colors better than Kalonzo & Mdvd. At least Kalonzo-Mdvd are nursing broken katikati dreams - but Pundit can't believe Uhuru has organized the Azimio juggernaut and is pulling all stops for Raila.
After 3 years of they are playing Raila... a few days ago Uhuru was said to be going for Muhoho. Now it is Gideon.
Do you see how despite PK being the obvious favorite - they are dying for Raila to pick Munya or Kalonzo so Ruto can sweep Mt Kenya. They are sure Uhuru is going for Munya - and allegedly has no time for PK who is detached - yet they have Wahome and Ndindi lined up.
Of course there is no grand Gideon strategy to use Azimio - just Pundit's desperation as Ruto chances dwindle.
Pundito is yet to come to terms with Uhuru's betrayal of Ruto,it's killing him softly,this was the last thing he expected,upto that s point he still fathoms that uhuru will reconcile with Ruto,That Raila is being played.Lets give him some space to heal.
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Munya would good choice for Raila - if Kambas will play along - otherwise it backfires - because Ruto can get Kamba votes - the same way Raila will get Luhya votes. Meru+Tharaka county is a million - votes - Kambas are two million plus votes.
Kalonzo is more appealing - and if Kambas behave Raila get the steady 43-45 percent or about.
PK & Munya is untested. It could backfire badly like MaDVD-Kioni - because again Uhuru himself has reduced DPORK into deputy governor - and with Ruto enjoying the majority of GEMA including Meru - it easy to finish them as nothing but poodles of Kenyattas.
So if I was to be consulted by Odinga - I'd still go for Kalonzo as 1st option - Munya as 2nd - and PK third. PK really has no emotional connection with the people. He is another Gideon Moi.
Now let get back to real politics.
Not those that had Gusii excited that Matiangi was being prepared for PORK.
Nobody prepares anything for you. You gotta use your own money, energy and network to make it happen.
Gideon Moi has been doing that - using his money, media, energy, and strategist - working with Uhuru.
Who will pick Raila's DPORK - 90 percent it will be Uhuru's call.
If Uhuru really want Raila to be competitive - he will reason together with Azimios - and come up best DPORK - but siasa is not about that.
Who will Uhuru fishes from his bag - Gideon Moi will come tops - Munya/PK second.
Robina, why do you think Munya is a bad choice for DPORK?
He ticks both Mt. Kenya and 'Kabila ndogo' boxes, which allows him to steal away Meru, a small section of Agikuyu, and still hand Uhuru the "Kabila Mbili is too much!" song, since it'll be a Luo-Meru ticket.
Anti-GEMA sentiments will NOT touch Munya: No one has beef with a Meru getting a stab. Other kabilas will think it's all very fair. Plus they can use it to tell Agikuyu to rudisha mkono to their younger brothers who have supported them unconditionally since independence :D
Basically, I don't see a Munya downside, unless Ruto also picks Kindiki.
Basically, Mt. Kenya get their insider in no. 2 while still "leaving it for Kabila ndogo'." Maybe the point is Agikuyu will only vote for PK, not Munya? I don't know. Maybe? But Merus will vote for their DP. They've never come that close to Presidency before.
Best Gideon is getting is Deputy PM. Hii ingine ya Pundit ni mambo za UDA. I will only entertain it if/when it happens and not a day sooner coz it's too dumb a move. :D You can't just assume a whole gang of experienced politicians are that dumb without good evidence. :D
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Lol, Pundit, this is the second time you're just randomly bringing up Matiangi to me out of the blue. :D What gives you the impression the guy makes any bell ring for me?
My interest in Kenya politics is RAO, I've supported him since 2007. Literally never voted for a Gusii in my life. I don't even know anything about the local politics in shagz except when I ask who they plan to vote for as President. But if you ask me about sijui MCA, MP, Senator, Governor, you prolly know tons more than I do (from what I've seen you post). In fact, post-Raila I see myself checking out of politics because I have NO ONE to support unless someone does something really exciting to pull me in and get me invested. Raila pulled me in at around 20 and I'm a loyal gal. So I hope to see that succeed if I think there's a good chance. It's natural if you've invested some effort and time into some projects to want to see the story come to a satisfying conclusion.
But Matiangi is persona non-grata in our ODM-damu family since baby Pendo :D We don't forget easily, which is why Uhuru isn't celebrated. Matiangi to me is a killer and a rapist because he unleashed this on us in 2017, Kisumu. I don't forget as easily as others in our .ke politics.
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I know you're a buruburu girl
You remind me of this gusii girl I never had - it was pretty close :).
I am just saying some people were deluded that Matiangi was being groomed for BIG things.
In politics Nobody groom anybody unless it for their interest.
POWER CONCEDE NOTHING _ it a bruthal game.
What I am saying - why is Gideon investing his billions - in Azimio
I am saying - Gideon is not aware that he has "issues"
That politicians have gigantic egos.
Most imagine they are loved or can be made loved.
They wake up in shock when they get zero votes :)
Baringo people have never loved Gideon but reality has forced them to elect him.
In short - as much as you care about Azimio - the decision lies with Uhuru.
You can go angry like Robina on me because you think PK or Munya is the best.
But end of day - Uhuru in a smoked filled room with Gideon - will make the decision - or they crush Raila.
They control serious power levers and money.
Only Ruto is aware and ready to confront them.
Lol, Pundit, this is the second time you're just randomly bringing up Matiangi to me out of the blue. :D What gives you the impression the guy makes any bell ring for me?
My interest in Kenya politics is RAO, I've supported him since 2007. Literally never voted for a Gusii in my life. I don't even know anything about the local politics in shagz except when I ask who they plan to vote for as President. But if you ask me about sijui MCA, MP, Senator, Governor, you prolly know tons more than I do (from what I've seen you post). In fact, post-Raila I see myself checking out of politics because I have NO ONE to support unless someone does something really exciting to pull me in and get me invested. Raila pulled me in at around 20 and I'm a loyal gal. So I hope to see that succeed if I think there's a good chance. It's natural if you've invested some effort and time into some projects to want to see the story come to a satisfying conclusion.
But Matiangi is persona non-grata in our ODM-damu family since baby Pendo :D We don't forget easily, which is why Uhuru isn't celebrated. Matiangi to me is a killer and a rapist because he unleashed this on us in 2017, Kisumu. I don't forget as easily as others in our .ke politics.
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Listen to Kalonzo - all these guys are friends
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Someone sent me a comment from a commentator who favors Azimio floating this Gideon idea. I don't know if he's running with what KK are saying (or maybe reads nipate for ideas for his V-log, lol). But I hope they read those comments if they are at all thinking about this boneheaded idea.
I still think they're banking on BBI coming back with Gideon getting one of the DPMs. Tutaona.
If Gideon is DP, I'm back to my apathy: will not waste my time just to vote for a ticket with Gideon Moi, pole sana. So many other things I could do on that day.
If Munya/PK/Kaloi/Karua etc. I'll queue and vote.
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Politics is not a beauty contest.
They dont choose the best - the choose the one that want it the most.
The one that is investing his billions - and making it happen.
You can bet broke Raila had no 3 billion Kshs to pay off Kalonzo to forego his ambition for PORK.
Gideon paid. Gideon bought himself the DPORK
Gideon will therefore demand DPORK or Kalonzo cheque bounces - you can bet most of it are future dated cheques based on key milestones - sijui DPM hio Munya will be given :)
And that is climb-down because Gideon wanted to be PORK.
In fact they could still dump Raila :)
Politics haina kupendana.
On the other side - Gachagau is super corrupt with late Brother Gachagua - made billions since Moi era to now.
Many in Kenya Kwanza - even I dont want him
But reality is forcing us to love him.
He paid 800M to Ruto (Weta was paid the same) - according to many romours
So he's get it - unless someone else in Mt Kenya can rush to Ruto with 2 billion Kshs.
Ruto himself was paid 5B kshs by mama ngina in 2013 to compensate for his campaigns and related
He has money, he can take on Kenyattas and wants it.
In short if you love Raila - you will soon love GIDEON.
I can help compose a couple of love songs for you.
Gideon Kipsiele Towett Weritab Chumiot :) :) Weritab Boyot.
Arguably one richest man in Kenya - the man can pay your a billion - without losing sweat - he inherited and has built a fortune - and sliced his brothers.
Someone sent me a comment from a commentator who favors Azimio floating this Gideon idea. I don't know if he's running with what KK are saying (or maybe reads nipate for ideas for his V-log, lol). But I hope they read those comments if they are at all thinking about this boneheaded idea.
I still think they're banking on BBI coming back with Gideon getting one of the DPMs. Tutaona.
If Gideon is DP, I'm back to my apathy: will not waste my time just to vote for a ticket with Gideon Moi, pole sana. So many other things I could do on that day.
If Munya/PK/Kaloi/Karua etc. I'll queue and vote.
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Lol. All the love songs in the world won't make me vote for Gideon Moi. :D I want to see Raila president, but not that badly. I should at least be able to pretend the person who takes over if he dies in office is someone I can stomach as president. That's how you need to think of DP, not just in terms of votes and money.
I don't believe this story of Gideon DP. But if it comes true, I'm out. I'm not talking emotionally, I'm very sober about this. Same way I told people I couldn't participate in the vote for the constitutional referendum and people thought I was just joking. I never voted for Uhuru and I'm never voting for Gideon Moi. Iyo tu.
So you see, I'm the real 'hustler,' btw us :D You guys are just pretend anti-dynasty. :D
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I think the question is how many of Azimio crew will share you thinking.
If it 80 percent - they will not do it.
If only 50 percent of you are opposed to it - they will try it.
And hope to convince most of them.
Obviously Luos will not care - they will call Gideon - Woud Odongo the same day.
Odongo was Moi nicknamed.
Tony Nyadundo will compose love songs about Woud Odongo.
Uhuru will convince his GEMA crew (few who still hang on him) that he is killing two birds with one stones - returning Jaramogi and Moi favours.
The rest of you will be told - BIGGEST ENEMY IS RUTO
Focus on the enemy. DPORK is useless thing.
And indeed it's only useful if PORK dies or become mad.
Lol. All the love songs in the world won't make me vote for Gideon Moi. :D I want to see Raila president, but not that badly. I should at least be able to pretend the person who takes over if he dies in office is someone I can stomach as president. That's how you need to think of DP, not just in terms of votes and money.
I don't believe this story of Gideon DP. But if it comes true, I'm out. I'm not talking emotionally, I'm very sober about this. Same way I told people I couldn't participate in the vote for the constitutional referendum and people thought I was just joking. I never voted for Uhuru and I'm never voting for Gideon Moi. Iyo tu.
So you see, I'm the real 'hustler,' btw us :D You guys are just pretend anti-dynasty. :D