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Re: RiggyG..end of the road
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2024, 09:58:44 AM »
Self deceit , GEMA would not have gone Moi way ,similar to the current one with Ruto thinking it would sway Meru out of GEMA .
Without Raila Tosha,  Kibaki would still have won .

Pundit you seem to be living in your own world just before GENZ you used to say Ruto is so popular in Kenya that his focus now is becoming Africas President  only GENZ to give you a rude awakening ….


NAK was hopeless without KANU breakaway - it would not have gone far. Kikuyus were abandoning Kibaki. It Raila Tosha that made big difference.
Opposition unity had been going on between DP SDP and FORD Kenya  for a long time and had united under NAK when Raila and KANU rebels joined after fall out with Moi it was renamed NARC just before the elections


Mwenda wa Simu.
Moi made the move in 2001.
Opposition united last minute
Last 3 months.


Regardless he wouldnt have won , Opposition united and there was noway he could beat them reason he had to front Uhuru to try and divide GEMA .


Wacha emotions in politics.
2002 - Moi already put a Kikuyu - and oppositon put a better kikuyu.
If Moi had stuck with Non-Kikuyu alliance - he would have won.


You still relish Moi era when a rigging and Old constitution were still in place .
There is political force called Kikuyus we have GEMA or Mt Kenya and Certainly GEMA is not 15% of the population Thats your propaganda .
Secondly GEMA has never won elections on their own Since Independence they have worked with different tribal fomations from Odinga Nyanza to Rift Valley Moi to Western Wamalwa , Nyanza Luo and near recent Kalenjin Ruto .
As we speak now Kalenjin are undergoing what they underwent in 2002 . Due to corruption and tribalism .
Moi survived 24 years because 14 years he was in an alliance with GEMA and the lasr 10 years Opposition was disunited. The opposition united in 2002 and defeated Moi . The opposition was Kibaki GEMA , Raila Nyanza , Wamalwa Western , Ngilu lower earstern. That was then old constituion and vote tallying was being done at regional tallying center where enroute ballot stuffing could be done.
We are under a new constituion dispensation and secondly vote tallyinv is done at the voting center in full glare of the media .
Now for Ruto he came into power on the strength of 49% voting by GEMA I would dare say if you count Mombasa and Nairobi it goes beyond 60 % put into consideration the turn out was the poorest at 60s percent . That alliance is dead the earlier he realizes that the better .
Ruto will be No 3 come 2027 because of this , How performed worse in comparison to Uhuru in North Eastern and Coast provinces . Reason next elections are going to the wire . A rerun is inevitable He will be No 3 and it will be upon him to either support a GEMA candidate or Raila.


 

Kikuyus are 17% of pop as of 2019 - with some massaging - by 2027 - you'll be 15% of kenya. Irrelevant unless you aligned with rest of kenya. Mt kenya has not saved RiggyG. He discovered too late you need to unite kenyans.

The biggest mistake Kikuyus will make is to understimate their dislike by rest of kenyans. That dislike overrides Ruto underperformance - assuming Ruto will underperform.

Moi survived 25yrs by simply playing the Anti-Kikuyu card. He only lost when he dismantled that alliance with Uhuru tosha.

I am glad he is gone, it’s also the beginning of the end of Ruto. People do not even care that Kindiki is the DP, no one cares about that stuff anymore. All Kikuyus can actually resign from the government and people will still go to work like any other day. You are not even going to hear any noise from mt Kenya, it’s the end of this type of politics. In 2027, we are looking for performance and Ruto will not even be in the equation, watch this space.

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Re: RiggyG..end of the road
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2024, 10:23:31 AM »
Moi had the support of Embus and Merus - except those in tea/coffee growing region huko Manyatta to Imenti.
Huko Mbeere, Tharaka, Tigania and such - was KANU strongholds.
Ruto is keen to re-establish that KANU const.
Kindiki will bring back those guys.
And Ruto take ODM's KANU (coast+matusa) - we leave Raila with Luo Nyanza.
That way Ruto starts with 40% on his own
And need 10% from a coalition.
Self deceit , GEMA would not have gone Moi way ,similar to the current one with Ruto thinking it would sway Meru out of GEMA .
Without Raila Tosha,  Kibaki would still have won .

Pundit you seem to be living in your own world just before GENZ you used to say Ruto is so popular in Kenya that his focus now is becoming Africas President  only GENZ to give you a rude awakening ….


NAK was hopeless without KANU breakaway - it would not have gone far. Kikuyus were abandoning Kibaki. It Raila Tosha that made big difference.
Opposition unity had been going on between DP SDP and FORD Kenya  for a long time and had united under NAK when Raila and KANU rebels joined after fall out with Moi it was renamed NARC just before the elections


Mwenda wa Simu.
Moi made the move in 2001.
Opposition united last minute
Last 3 months.


Regardless he wouldnt have won , Opposition united and there was noway he could beat them reason he had to front Uhuru to try and divide GEMA .


Wacha emotions in politics.
2002 - Moi already put a Kikuyu - and oppositon put a better kikuyu.
If Moi had stuck with Non-Kikuyu alliance - he would have won.


You still relish Moi era when a rigging and Old constitution were still in place .
There is political force called Kikuyus we have GEMA or Mt Kenya and Certainly GEMA is not 15% of the population Thats your propaganda .
Secondly GEMA has never won elections on their own Since Independence they have worked with different tribal fomations from Odinga Nyanza to Rift Valley Moi to Western Wamalwa , Nyanza Luo and near recent Kalenjin Ruto .
As we speak now Kalenjin are undergoing what they underwent in 2002 . Due to corruption and tribalism .
Moi survived 24 years because 14 years he was in an alliance with GEMA and the lasr 10 years Opposition was disunited. The opposition united in 2002 and defeated Moi . The opposition was Kibaki GEMA , Raila Nyanza , Wamalwa Western , Ngilu lower earstern. That was then old constituion and vote tallying was being done at regional tallying center where enroute ballot stuffing could be done.
We are under a new constituion dispensation and secondly vote tallyinv is done at the voting center in full glare of the media .
Now for Ruto he came into power on the strength of 49% voting by GEMA I would dare say if you count Mombasa and Nairobi it goes beyond 60 % put into consideration the turn out was the poorest at 60s percent . That alliance is dead the earlier he realizes that the better .
Ruto will be No 3 come 2027 because of this , How performed worse in comparison to Uhuru in North Eastern and Coast provinces . Reason next elections are going to the wire . A rerun is inevitable He will be No 3 and it will be upon him to either support a GEMA candidate or Raila.


 

Kikuyus are 17% of pop as of 2019 - with some massaging - by 2027 - you'll be 15% of kenya. Irrelevant unless you aligned with rest of kenya. Mt kenya has not saved RiggyG. He discovered too late you need to unite kenyans.

The biggest mistake Kikuyus will make is to understimate their dislike by rest of kenyans. That dislike overrides Ruto underperformance - assuming Ruto will underperform.

Moi survived 25yrs by simply playing the Anti-Kikuyu card. He only lost when he dismantled that alliance with Uhuru tosha.

I am glad he is gone, it’s also the beginning of the end of Ruto. People do not even care that Kindiki is the DP, no one cares about that stuff anymore. All Kikuyus can actually resign from the government and people will still go to work like any other day. You are not even going to hear any noise from mt Kenya, it’s the end of this type of politics. In 2027, we are looking for performance and Ruto will not even be in the equation, watch this space.

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Re: RiggyG..end of the road
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2024, 11:03:40 AM »
There is nothing for me to be bitter about, I am not a kikuyu supremacist and I warned that all this things will happen. As for the insults, it’s hard not to feel sorry for a 60yr old alcoholic who plants trees for retirement( I actually chuckled thinking about this) an old guy sitting on a stool waiting for trees to grow. If you decide to live in denial, it’s good temporarily comfort but be ready to be shagged in 2027. I concur with the school of thought here that Ruto will be third behind Raila and the Gema candidate. As of Sakaja, he has an easier route to prison than presidency, he should not even run for a second term. Like the rest of Gema, this issue is dead to me, it’s next to the next chapter, revolution or 2027. Ruto must and will get out of our lives!!!